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  • saedeithsaedeith Member Posts: 628 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    noctusxxx wrote: »
    Quite frankly, this is pushing me closer to calling it quits on this game.

    Universal Boff seats need to be UNIVERSAL to all of these power sets. Stop invalidating our existing ships.

    It won't kill your new ship sales, and in fact will only encourage players to work on investing the grind time to earn these new powers.

    Unless that changes and I won't be opening my wallet for the 9 pack of Escorts for 12k zen that will be released to coincide with this, or the t6 Sov.

    Pretty much. This is a joke.
  • tamujiintamujiin Member Posts: 321 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    nadiezja wrote: »
    Eh. I was hoping for there not to be Pilot slots. I'm a little worried about specialization proliferation - it should be a good thing, but if each specialization needs specific ships to use it in space, that'll lead to a natural lack of ongoing support for older ones.

    Good point, as i am currently wanting to use 1 fricken intel skill on a few of my ships, that i cannot, because of the fact, they are not intel ships. Making me want to buy a butt ugly ship, that i wont, with with the money i earn, and instead GRIND OUT THE ZEN FOR it, which only takes me a day or two anyway.

    If cryptic was WISE, even though i seen Borticus's VIEW, if cryptic was WISE on what people spend MONEY on, and what PEOPLE GRIND FOR, they would introduce a NEW RESPEC, TOTAL RESPEC, For a toon, so they can switch and customize stuff when this all comes out.


    Either way i am going to play the game right? Why not give us a respec people will pay money for, so we can USE the fricken specializations we want to. Not forced every two months into a new one. With one half done.

    I am NOT going to buy a NEW PILOT ship, to use any of those abilites. When i see new Pilot bridge officers, i see NEW BOFF SPECIECS, and NEW BOFFY BOFF STUFF.... I dont look at the fact oh hey, by the time the summer event comes, i "might have" command filled, and i "might" have pilot tier 3,4,5 done.....

    Summer event i bet will bring, guess what?............... A new specialization.

    Oh hey, Request for that..... Risan Tier 6 Carrier. :P

    Aint no one buying into those boosts, and you guys know it. You guys come out with this Delta Recruitment thing, and now as a veteran player, i am getting the picture about end game players, even though, you say in Delta recruitment, we will have a buncha account unlock rewards etc....

    Your saying TRIBBLE the veteran players. With your track record, i would not do that, because then NO ONE would know how to HELP players learn the game.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    You might want to investigate other STO sources on the web (that I can't link here) before you put your money down ;)

    lol, well I would if I wasn't just blowing a load of Quatloos (1,000,000 on E!) I will say though that while the Sovereign would be the most sensible "high speed" cruiser, it wouldn't necessarily be the most entertaining.
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  • teacherboiteacherboi Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I'm really getting sick of the "can't use universal seats" thing. They really need to remove that soon. I know that it would make certain ships (like the B'Rel Refit) more desirable, but then they aren't T6 ships either.

    I just hope they do a T6 story ship like the Kobali Cruiser that has Pilot seating abilities.
  • senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    quintaris wrote: »
    The pics suggest a T6 Sovereign. I keep throwing my Zen at the screen, but nothing is happening.

    Oh please let that be true! I've been dying for a T6 Sovereign ever since I saw the new Type 7 hull material! :eek:

    Would also be nice if we got one, that it could get the Intrepid treatment, being such an iconic ship and the current model being so dated and all.
  • worffan101worffan101 Member Posts: 9,518 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Looks like that t6 galaxy and negh'var we've had rumored.

    Meh, fine. I'll stick with INT and Command if I use hybrid boffs.
  • zulisvelzulisvel Member Posts: 518 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    ARGH!

    This:
    The tools at their disposal are geared towards enhancing and capitalizing on the high speed and maneuverability of escorts, raiders and other light starships.
    Says to me: "Tier 6 Defiant, Bop, and T'liss.

    The boff ability "Fly Her Apart" screams T6 Excelsior. Because reasons.

    The blog pictures tell me T6 Sovereign incoming (also a Raptor and a Elichi ship?).


    Le sigh. Shut up and take my money Cryptic. :(



    Also I think we're at the point where specialization specific seats need to be updated to allow any spelization.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    lessley00 wrote: »
    T6 SOVEREIGN!!!! YESSSSSS!!!!! PLEASE CRYPTIC!!!! I WANT IT!!!!!

    P.S: I love your avatar and sig quintaris, I may need to race you to a Commander Shepard toon

    Wasn't one of the ships a Shenshar Dreadnought in decoupled mode? I would not be so certain that the ships shown are actually the ones that can use the abilities.

    Of course, I'd be happy to be surprised on this. Maybe they'll add some further, yet unannounced tweaks to the system, or existing ships.



    Though I want a Pilot Bird of Prey, Pilot Galaxy Class, and a Pilot Defiant.
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  • stealthriderstealthrider Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH I KNEW IT! I KNEW IT'D BE NEW SHIPS ONLY!

    This time there's no ground skills to make it worth doing at all!


    **** you, taking out the entire point of this post.

    ****ing money-grubbing useless idiots.
  • karr007karr007 Member Posts: 105 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    So new type of ships for the new specialization. Well time will show if this is good or bad decision. But may i humbly request to finally release the fleet versions of the intelligence ships. I am dying to see my Eclipse with 4th tactical console.
  • edwardianededwardianed Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    zulisvel wrote: »
    The blog pictures tell me T6 Sovereign incoming (also a Raptor and a Elichi ship?).

    That's not a raptor, it's the Klingon veteran ship.
  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,281 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    zulisvel wrote: »
    ARGH!

    This:
    Says to me: "Tier 6 Defiant, Bop, and T'liss.

    The boff ability "Fly Her Apart" screams T6 Excelsior. Because reasons.

    The blog pictures tell me T6 Sovereign incoming (also a Raptor and a Elichi ship?).


    Le sigh. Shut up and take my money Cryptic. :(



    Also I think we're at the point where specialization specific seats need to be updated to allow any spelization.

    The Klingon ship pictured looks like the Pegh'qu. Which is the Klingon vet ship.
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  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    In all seriousness, this is likely to help push out a T6 Defiant pretty fast (Pathfinder-style seating but in Tac, with Sci/Pilot hybrid seat), which is due for a 3 pack like the Galaxy (Gal-X doesn't count) and Intrepid. Already, there's solid rumors towards a T6 Galaxy, so with Pilot and Defiant, is possible to complete the hero trio.

    As well, they could release a Prometheus with Intel/Pilot or Command/Pilot as a dual-Spec Fed ship. Bonus if a new console allows the separated parts to also benefit from said abilities; such as SS1 allowing all parts to SS1, or using Overwhelm Emitters 2 allowing all parts to use a weaker Overwhelm Emitters 1 skill. Or using Rock and Roll causes all 3 to Rock and Roll (much like the Obelisk 3-pc set allowing Hangar pets some skill use too). It's large enough and in-canon, advanced enough to allow use of fancy abilities and capabilities.

    Could also see a possible Pilot Patrol Escort based on a fighter/bomber role (using Nadeon Saturation Bomb). I frankly wouldn't be surprised if they gave it a console to allow it to perform some stunt move with a temporary bonus to attack.

    As for KDF, they will likely get a brand new Pilot Raptor (because Raptors are the new Raiders). Probably with limited Raider Flanking bonuses.

    And maybe a Pilot Siege Destroyer, since KDF players have been wanting an T5F or T6 equivalent for awhile now. At least they can't claim double-dipping since there never was a Fleet Guramba.

    And a Pilot Battlecruiser. Because we all know KDF needs more battlecruisers. Maybe with a Raider Flanking Bonus, so it can be the first ever Raider fast Battlecruiser.

    And for Roms, maybe a new Pilot T'Varo, Dhelan, or Ar'Kif derivative. Dhelan or Ar'Kif would be preferable, with T'Varo instead getting Command (for HY Plasma Torp bomber build reasons), and because Dhelan/Dhael needs a better design to sell, as well as the Ar'Kala/Ar'Kif and its lance console (which also needs to be fixed).

    Of course, I fully expect new and original Specialized Pilot ships; ones designed exclusively to use Cmdr level Pilot skills, without busting their hulls (which probably would be one of the in-game reason to own one; less or no hull damage taken when using Fly Her Apart).
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,149 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    You really need to add some of these "elite" boff seats to existing ships.
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  • dareaudareau Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Other than Riker pulling out the Joystick and playing in Metreon Gas fields, what exactly did he get accolades for piloting again?

    And why did he let Deanna "pilot the ship" into the ground, if he was such an accomplished pilot...

    Now since Paris "piloted" the daylights out of one certain Intrepid class, by canon we can expect all Intrepid class ships (and by extension, their variants) to be retrofitted with pilot seats, correct?

    Semi joking attitude aside, you "lore" covered Intel needing specific seats because only Intel ships have the toys they need. Same with Command and the Command ships with enhanced C&C systems.

    Piloting, otherwise known as helming the ship, is something that every ship needs. I'm surprised that Hikaru Sulu isn't listed alongside these "notable pilots", didn't he make the Enterprise dance at least once like these piloting skills indicate?
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  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Oh. my.

    I may not spec all of my Captains as Pilots, but I think I really want to see those ships with Pilot seats.
    The tools at their disposal are geared towards enhancing and capitalizing on the high speed and maneuverability of escorts, raiders and other light starships.

    So I'm thinking no cruisers or science vessels. Which is okay, really. But I'd jump at getting a hybrid Intel/Pilot ship.

    Which would be totally cool as a T6 Defiant or BoP. :D

    One minor quibble.

    "Pilot Team"? Since when do you have a team of pilots flying a ship? One helmsman! One! :D
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  • ceekayzeroceekayzero Member Posts: 411 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Let's see the ship traits for the new Pilot ships before we plunk down money on them. It wasn't command boff seating that sold me on the command battlecruisers - it was AHOD and the looks.
  • nyx219nyx219 Member Posts: 207 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I'll definitely be taking a gander at the upcoming new ships. The Pilot BOFF slot & specialization has me pretty intrigued. Granted, I was disappointed with my Eclipse when that batch came out -- the Samsar is a better fit for my main, Eclipse works well for an alt of mine, though. That said, I'll still consider one of these. I just wish the Universal slot was actually Universal.
  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    bluegeek wrote: »
    Oh. my.

    I may not spec all of my Captains as Pilots, but I think I really want to see those ships with Pilot seats.



    So I'm thinking no cruisers or science vessels. Which is okay, really. But I'd jump at getting a hybrid Intel/Pilot ship.

    Which would be totally cool as a T6 Defiant or BoP. :D

    One minor quibble.

    "Pilot Team"? Since when do you have a team of pilots flying a ship? One helmsman! One! :D

    You'd have more than one pilot...you pilot has to sleep sometime.
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  • sistericsisteric Member Posts: 768 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I like specializations. And I like that they are planning on bring in more. What I don't like is the fact that my poor BOF's become only useful on the ship that has the specialization seats on them. And the current trend is that there is one Specialization type per ship. SO I can't use my Command BOff's abilites in conjunction with my Pilot BOff's abilities.

    I would much rather see some way in which you can turn seats into hybrid seats. Or that ships come out with more than one type of specialization amongst the seats.

    I really would love the option to modify my current ships seating to add Hybrid seating. I think this level of customization will allow any one to build what ever they want with whatever new Specs they create while still allowing for people to feel like they are making progress.
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  • zulisvelzulisvel Member Posts: 518 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    dareau wrote: »
    Other than Riker pulling out the Joystick and playing in Metreon Gas fields, what exactly did he get accolades for piloting again?

    The first episode when he and Picard are meeting and the 2-parter where Jelico took command of the Enterprise both had moments where his piloting was acknowledged.
  • gypsybladegypsyblade Member Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Pilot Specialized starships?? Because we don't already have pilots in our ships.

    I'm not dropping more cash on this because you'll have another specialized ship in a few months.

    I'm staying with my Vesta until the servers shut down.
  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    dareau wrote: »
    Semi joking attitude aside, you "lore" covered Intel needing specific seats because only Intel ships have the toys they need. Same with Command and the Command ships with enhanced C&C systems.

    Piloting, otherwise known as helming the ship, is something that every ship needs. I'm surprised that Hikaru Sulu isn't listed alongside these "notable pilots", didn't he make the Enterprise dance at least once like these piloting skills indicate?
    New possible in-game reason: These ships have been designed (or in the case of re-releases, re-designed) to handle the higher stresses on the hull and systems that result from high-speed combat maneuvering, and are safety rated to BS levels (maybe even have the Specialized versions not take hull damage from Fly Her Apart).
    thay8472 wrote: »
    You really need to add some of these "elite" boff seats to existing ships.
    The most likely (and still not likely) changes would be to change the Hybrid Ensign~Lt.Cmdr seats on non-Specialized ships excluding the Kobali Samsar into Universal Spec seating. So the Guardian or Pathfinder for example would be able to use any and all current and future Specializations up to the Lt rank on their Hybrid seat.

    Or if they don't want to do that to all the ships, then just the Sheshar and JHSS (Lt.Cmdr Hybrid seat only, not the Lt. seat), since they are costly Promo ships and should be able to use any Specialization, current or future.

    Both would be fair enough to the players, with the former being more fair, and the latter fair to the spenders Cryptic relies on. But as to whether or not Cryptic would do it, one can only hope (I really wish they would; it's a bigger incentive to spend on those T6 ships, if anything).
  • dmtdmt Member Posts: 194 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    bluegeek wrote: »
    "Pilot Team"? Since when do you have a team of pilots flying a ship? One helmsman! One! :D

    You only have one person flying your ship 365 days a year. Of course you need a team.
  • captaind3captaind3 Member Posts: 2,449 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Riker's pilot credentials were displayed in Chain of Command Part 2 when he placed the mines next to the Cardassian ships. This was a major plot point since he and Jellico had to come to terms with one another.

    Someone said something about another three pack. Here's an idea. Your three pack instead of being focused towards science, tac, or engineering, you get a Command, Intel, or Pilot slot instead.
    It would be nice if we didn't have to by a whole new class of ships to use these skills ... I guess Commando ships are, somehow, next?
    No.

    But Commando going full spec still wouldn't be a waste especially as much as they like battlezones. It just wouldn't be needed to sell ships. Not everything this company does is a money making scheme contrary to popular belief, see the upcoming sector space revamp. (Most, but not everything.)

    lucho80 wrote: »
    Guess which one will be the favorite?

    Reroute Reserves to Weapons

    It's always the DPS ones.

    Honestly though that makes sense. That is basically the single target Fire at Will that cruiser captains have been asking for for ages.
    So only special ships have someone actually flying them ... I'm sorry but this is absolutely absurd. I know you want to sell new ships, but if these boff seats are going to be exclusive then they should be called something else.

    It makes no logical sense that only a handful of ships would have a pilot.

    That's the truth. EVERY ship should have a pilot.

    I gotta say that's kind of an issue with the game design versus the ship's function.

    Neither tactical officer is a designated Conn or Tactical (your pilot and gunner), if you have two engineer stations, one isn't designated Engineering and Operations (your repair and power management, and crew allocation guy) if you have two science stations neither is designated science officer and doctor (analysis and special effects, and crew healing).

    I'll appreciate a Tier 6 Galaxy, Negh'var, and all (says the rumor), and I wait patiently for a Tier 6 Sovereign and even more patiently for a Tier 6 Bird of Prey.

    But the current standing ships need to be upgraded to specialist functionality for a fee. Restrict it so you can only have one specialist active at a time and you have to go to a starbase to swap them out or something.

    But solely releasing new ships to support the new specializations is silly good business model on paper be damned. Especially when they're coming out so quickly.
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  • lantislantis Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    So the risan corvette's getting a pilot seat?
  • reynoldsxdreynoldsxd Member Posts: 977 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    You know, this spec actually sounds exiting.
  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Uhm, how does Pilot team share cooldown category with other team abilities when that cooldown category was abolished?

    Also, Clean getaway is shown as rank 1 at both ensign and lieutenant in the chart.


    Otherwise, those pilot abilities actually look fairly usable for the most part. I'd say far more than Command and even Intel ones. Of course it's a pita only a handgul new ships will be able to use them, and possibly not even ships that would thematically fit. (It'd be great if large cruisers and carriers were refitted with command seats, stealthy raiders, warbirds and small escorts with intel seats and so on... Actually, maybe rather sci ships with intel and escorts with pilot.)
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Think "Delta Flyer" to the standard FED shuttle. They're specialized for pilots, much like a BMW M3 might be specialized as a "drivers car." It doesn't mean that your Hyundai Sonata is running autonomously. :P

    That still doesn't make any sense, thematic or otherwise. Yes, certain ships are more maneuverable than others, but they all still have the same basic controls, and a pilot or helmsman. The spec should be renamed I'd it is going to be exclusive like the rest,is as simple add that. Something like:

    Ace Pilot (very subtle change, but clearly a more specialized meaning than simply "pilot")

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  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    thay8472 wrote: »
    You really need to add some of these "elite" boff seats to existing ships.

    I would really like to see new hybrid ships that we can actually buy. And T6 versions for many of the "classic" ships.
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