Eh. I was hoping for there not to be Pilot slots. I'm a little worried about specialization proliferation - it should be a good thing, but if each specialization needs specific ships to use it in space, that'll lead to a natural lack of ongoing support for older ones.
Good point, as i am currently wanting to use 1 fricken intel skill on a few of my ships, that i cannot, because of the fact, they are not intel ships. Making me want to buy a butt ugly ship, that i wont, with with the money i earn, and instead GRIND OUT THE ZEN FOR it, which only takes me a day or two anyway.
If cryptic was WISE, even though i seen Borticus's VIEW, if cryptic was WISE on what people spend MONEY on, and what PEOPLE GRIND FOR, they would introduce a NEW RESPEC, TOTAL RESPEC, For a toon, so they can switch and customize stuff when this all comes out.
Either way i am going to play the game right? Why not give us a respec people will pay money for, so we can USE the fricken specializations we want to. Not forced every two months into a new one. With one half done.
I am NOT going to buy a NEW PILOT ship, to use any of those abilites. When i see new Pilot bridge officers, i see NEW BOFF SPECIECS, and NEW BOFFY BOFF STUFF.... I dont look at the fact oh hey, by the time the summer event comes, i "might have" command filled, and i "might" have pilot tier 3,4,5 done.....
Summer event i bet will bring, guess what?............... A new specialization.
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Your saying TRIBBLE the veteran players. With your track record, i would not do that, because then NO ONE would know how to HELP players learn the game.
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lol, well I would if I wasn't just blowing a load of Quatloos (1,000,000 on E!) I will say though that while the Sovereign would be the most sensible "high speed" cruiser, it wouldn't necessarily be the most entertaining.
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I'm really getting sick of the "can't use universal seats" thing. They really need to remove that soon. I know that it would make certain ships (like the B'Rel Refit) more desirable, but then they aren't T6 ships either.
I just hope they do a T6 story ship like the Kobali Cruiser that has Pilot seating abilities.
The tools at their disposal are geared towards enhancing and capitalizing on the high speed and maneuverability of escorts, raiders and other light starships.
Says to me: "Tier 6 Defiant, Bop, and T'liss.
The boff ability "Fly Her Apart" screams T6 Excelsior. Because reasons.
The blog pictures tell me T6 Sovereign incoming (also a Raptor and a Elichi ship?).
Le sigh. Shut up and take my money Cryptic.
Also I think we're at the point where specialization specific seats need to be updated to allow any spelization.
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Wasn't one of the ships a Shenshar Dreadnought in decoupled mode? I would not be so certain that the ships shown are actually the ones that can use the abilities.
Of course, I'd be happy to be surprised on this. Maybe they'll add some further, yet unannounced tweaks to the system, or existing ships.
Though I want a Pilot Bird of Prey, Pilot Galaxy Class, and a Pilot Defiant.
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So new type of ships for the new specialization. Well time will show if this is good or bad decision. But may i humbly request to finally release the fleet versions of the intelligence ships. I am dying to see my Eclipse with 4th tactical console.
In all seriousness, this is likely to help push out a T6 Defiant pretty fast (Pathfinder-style seating but in Tac, with Sci/Pilot hybrid seat), which is due for a 3 pack like the Galaxy (Gal-X doesn't count) and Intrepid. Already, there's solid rumors towards a T6 Galaxy, so with Pilot and Defiant, is possible to complete the hero trio.
As well, they could release a Prometheus with Intel/Pilot or Command/Pilot as a dual-Spec Fed ship. Bonus if a new console allows the separated parts to also benefit from said abilities; such as SS1 allowing all parts to SS1, or using Overwhelm Emitters 2 allowing all parts to use a weaker Overwhelm Emitters 1 skill. Or using Rock and Roll causes all 3 to Rock and Roll (much like the Obelisk 3-pc set allowing Hangar pets some skill use too). It's large enough and in-canon, advanced enough to allow use of fancy abilities and capabilities.
Could also see a possible Pilot Patrol Escort based on a fighter/bomber role (using Nadeon Saturation Bomb). I frankly wouldn't be surprised if they gave it a console to allow it to perform some stunt move with a temporary bonus to attack.
As for KDF, they will likely get a brand new Pilot Raptor (because Raptors are the new Raiders). Probably with limited Raider Flanking bonuses.
And maybe a Pilot Siege Destroyer, since KDF players have been wanting an T5F or T6 equivalent for awhile now. At least they can't claim double-dipping since there never was a Fleet Guramba.
And a Pilot Battlecruiser. Because we all know KDF needs more battlecruisers. Maybe with a Raider Flanking Bonus, so it can be the first ever Raider fast Battlecruiser.
And for Roms, maybe a new Pilot T'Varo, Dhelan, or Ar'Kif derivative. Dhelan or Ar'Kif would be preferable, with T'Varo instead getting Command (for HY Plasma Torp bomber build reasons), and because Dhelan/Dhael needs a better design to sell, as well as the Ar'Kala/Ar'Kif and its lance console (which also needs to be fixed).
Of course, I fully expect new and original Specialized Pilot ships; ones designed exclusively to use Cmdr level Pilot skills, without busting their hulls (which probably would be one of the in-game reason to own one; less or no hull damage taken when using Fly Her Apart).
Other than Riker pulling out the Joystick and playing in Metreon Gas fields, what exactly did he get accolades for piloting again?
And why did he let Deanna "pilot the ship" into the ground, if he was such an accomplished pilot...
Now since Paris "piloted" the daylights out of one certain Intrepid class, by canon we can expect all Intrepid class ships (and by extension, their variants) to be retrofitted with pilot seats, correct?
Semi joking attitude aside, you "lore" covered Intel needing specific seats because only Intel ships have the toys they need. Same with Command and the Command ships with enhanced C&C systems.
Piloting, otherwise known as helming the ship, is something that every ship needs. I'm surprised that Hikaru Sulu isn't listed alongside these "notable pilots", didn't he make the Enterprise dance at least once like these piloting skills indicate?
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I may not spec all of my Captains as Pilots, but I think I really want to see those ships with Pilot seats.
The tools at their disposal are geared towards enhancing and capitalizing on the high speed and maneuverability of escorts, raiders and other light starships.
So I'm thinking no cruisers or science vessels. Which is okay, really. But I'd jump at getting a hybrid Intel/Pilot ship.
Which would be totally cool as a T6 Defiant or BoP.
One minor quibble.
"Pilot Team"? Since when do you have a team of pilots flying a ship? One helmsman! One!
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Let's see the ship traits for the new Pilot ships before we plunk down money on them. It wasn't command boff seating that sold me on the command battlecruisers - it was AHOD and the looks.
I'll definitely be taking a gander at the upcoming new ships. The Pilot BOFF slot & specialization has me pretty intrigued. Granted, I was disappointed with my Eclipse when that batch came out -- the Samsar is a better fit for my main, Eclipse works well for an alt of mine, though. That said, I'll still consider one of these. I just wish the Universal slot was actually Universal.
I may not spec all of my Captains as Pilots, but I think I really want to see those ships with Pilot seats.
So I'm thinking no cruisers or science vessels. Which is okay, really. But I'd jump at getting a hybrid Intel/Pilot ship.
Which would be totally cool as a T6 Defiant or BoP.
One minor quibble.
"Pilot Team"? Since when do you have a team of pilots flying a ship? One helmsman! One!
You'd have more than one pilot...you pilot has to sleep sometime.
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I like specializations. And I like that they are planning on bring in more. What I don't like is the fact that my poor BOF's become only useful on the ship that has the specialization seats on them. And the current trend is that there is one Specialization type per ship. SO I can't use my Command BOff's abilites in conjunction with my Pilot BOff's abilities.
I would much rather see some way in which you can turn seats into hybrid seats. Or that ships come out with more than one type of specialization amongst the seats.
I really would love the option to modify my current ships seating to add Hybrid seating. I think this level of customization will allow any one to build what ever they want with whatever new Specs they create while still allowing for people to feel like they are making progress.
Other than Riker pulling out the Joystick and playing in Metreon Gas fields, what exactly did he get accolades for piloting again?
The first episode when he and Picard are meeting and the 2-parter where Jelico took command of the Enterprise both had moments where his piloting was acknowledged.
Semi joking attitude aside, you "lore" covered Intel needing specific seats because only Intel ships have the toys they need. Same with Command and the Command ships with enhanced C&C systems.
Piloting, otherwise known as helming the ship, is something that every ship needs. I'm surprised that Hikaru Sulu isn't listed alongside these "notable pilots", didn't he make the Enterprise dance at least once like these piloting skills indicate?
New possible in-game reason: These ships have been designed (or in the case of re-releases, re-designed) to handle the higher stresses on the hull and systems that result from high-speed combat maneuvering, and are safety rated to BS levels (maybe even have the Specialized versions not take hull damage from Fly Her Apart).
You really need to add some of these "elite" boff seats to existing ships.
The most likely (and still not likely) changes would be to change the Hybrid Ensign~Lt.Cmdr seats on non-Specialized ships excluding the Kobali Samsar into Universal Spec seating. So the Guardian or Pathfinder for example would be able to use any and all current and future Specializations up to the Lt rank on their Hybrid seat.
Or if they don't want to do that to all the ships, then just the Sheshar and JHSS (Lt.Cmdr Hybrid seat only, not the Lt. seat), since they are costly Promo ships and should be able to use any Specialization, current or future.
Both would be fair enough to the players, with the former being more fair, and the latter fair to the spenders Cryptic relies on. But as to whether or not Cryptic would do it, one can only hope (I really wish they would; it's a bigger incentive to spend on those T6 ships, if anything).
Riker's pilot credentials were displayed in Chain of Command Part 2 when he placed the mines next to the Cardassian ships. This was a major plot point since he and Jellico had to come to terms with one another.
Someone said something about another three pack. Here's an idea. Your three pack instead of being focused towards science, tac, or engineering, you get a Command, Intel, or Pilot slot instead.
It would be nice if we didn't have to by a whole new class of ships to use these skills ... I guess Commando ships are, somehow, next?
No.
But Commando going full spec still wouldn't be a waste especially as much as they like battlezones. It just wouldn't be needed to sell ships. Not everything this company does is a money making scheme contrary to popular belief, see the upcoming sector space revamp. (Most, but not everything.)
So only special ships have someone actually flying them ... I'm sorry but this is absolutely absurd. I know you want to sell new ships, but if these boff seats are going to be exclusive then they should be called something else.
It makes no logical sense that only a handful of ships would have a pilot.
That's the truth. EVERY ship should have a pilot.
I gotta say that's kind of an issue with the game design versus the ship's function.
Neither tactical officer is a designated Conn or Tactical (your pilot and gunner), if you have two engineer stations, one isn't designated Engineering and Operations (your repair and power management, and crew allocation guy) if you have two science stations neither is designated science officer and doctor (analysis and special effects, and crew healing).
I'll appreciate a Tier 6 Galaxy, Negh'var, and all (says the rumor), and I wait patiently for a Tier 6 Sovereign and even more patiently for a Tier 6 Bird of Prey.
But the current standing ships need to be upgraded to specialist functionality for a fee. Restrict it so you can only have one specialist active at a time and you have to go to a starbase to swap them out or something.
But solely releasing new ships to support the new specializations is silly good business model on paper be damned. Especially when they're coming out so quickly.
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Uhm, how does Pilot team share cooldown category with other team abilities when that cooldown category was abolished?
Also, Clean getaway is shown as rank 1 at both ensign and lieutenant in the chart.
Otherwise, those pilot abilities actually look fairly usable for the most part. I'd say far more than Command and even Intel ones. Of course it's a pita only a handgul new ships will be able to use them, and possibly not even ships that would thematically fit. (It'd be great if large cruisers and carriers were refitted with command seats, stealthy raiders, warbirds and small escorts with intel seats and so on... Actually, maybe rather sci ships with intel and escorts with pilot.)
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Pretty much. This is a joke.
Good point, as i am currently wanting to use 1 fricken intel skill on a few of my ships, that i cannot, because of the fact, they are not intel ships. Making me want to buy a butt ugly ship, that i wont, with with the money i earn, and instead GRIND OUT THE ZEN FOR it, which only takes me a day or two anyway.
If cryptic was WISE, even though i seen Borticus's VIEW, if cryptic was WISE on what people spend MONEY on, and what PEOPLE GRIND FOR, they would introduce a NEW RESPEC, TOTAL RESPEC, For a toon, so they can switch and customize stuff when this all comes out.
Either way i am going to play the game right? Why not give us a respec people will pay money for, so we can USE the fricken specializations we want to. Not forced every two months into a new one. With one half done.
I am NOT going to buy a NEW PILOT ship, to use any of those abilites. When i see new Pilot bridge officers, i see NEW BOFF SPECIECS, and NEW BOFFY BOFF STUFF.... I dont look at the fact oh hey, by the time the summer event comes, i "might have" command filled, and i "might" have pilot tier 3,4,5 done.....
Summer event i bet will bring, guess what?............... A new specialization.
Oh hey, Request for that..... Risan Tier 6 Carrier. :P
Aint no one buying into those boosts, and you guys know it. You guys come out with this Delta Recruitment thing, and now as a veteran player, i am getting the picture about end game players, even though, you say in Delta recruitment, we will have a buncha account unlock rewards etc....
Your saying TRIBBLE the veteran players. With your track record, i would not do that, because then NO ONE would know how to HELP players learn the game.
lol, well I would if I wasn't just blowing a load of Quatloos (1,000,000 on E!) I will say though that while the Sovereign would be the most sensible "high speed" cruiser, it wouldn't necessarily be the most entertaining.
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I just hope they do a T6 story ship like the Kobali Cruiser that has Pilot seating abilities.
Oh please let that be true! I've been dying for a T6 Sovereign ever since I saw the new Type 7 hull material! :eek:
Would also be nice if we got one, that it could get the Intrepid treatment, being such an iconic ship and the current model being so dated and all.
Meh, fine. I'll stick with INT and Command if I use hybrid boffs.
This: Says to me: "Tier 6 Defiant, Bop, and T'liss.
The boff ability "Fly Her Apart" screams T6 Excelsior. Because reasons.
The blog pictures tell me T6 Sovereign incoming (also a Raptor and a Elichi ship?).
Le sigh. Shut up and take my money Cryptic.
Also I think we're at the point where specialization specific seats need to be updated to allow any spelization.
Wasn't one of the ships a Shenshar Dreadnought in decoupled mode? I would not be so certain that the ships shown are actually the ones that can use the abilities.
Of course, I'd be happy to be surprised on this. Maybe they'll add some further, yet unannounced tweaks to the system, or existing ships.
Though I want a Pilot Bird of Prey, Pilot Galaxy Class, and a Pilot Defiant.
This time there's no ground skills to make it worth doing at all!
**** you, taking out the entire point of this post.
****ing money-grubbing useless idiots.
That's not a raptor, it's the Klingon veteran ship.
The Klingon ship pictured looks like the Pegh'qu. Which is the Klingon vet ship.
As well, they could release a Prometheus with Intel/Pilot or Command/Pilot as a dual-Spec Fed ship. Bonus if a new console allows the separated parts to also benefit from said abilities; such as SS1 allowing all parts to SS1, or using Overwhelm Emitters 2 allowing all parts to use a weaker Overwhelm Emitters 1 skill. Or using Rock and Roll causes all 3 to Rock and Roll (much like the Obelisk 3-pc set allowing Hangar pets some skill use too). It's large enough and in-canon, advanced enough to allow use of fancy abilities and capabilities.
Could also see a possible Pilot Patrol Escort based on a fighter/bomber role (using Nadeon Saturation Bomb). I frankly wouldn't be surprised if they gave it a console to allow it to perform some stunt move with a temporary bonus to attack.
As for KDF, they will likely get a brand new Pilot Raptor (because Raptors are the new Raiders). Probably with limited Raider Flanking bonuses.
And maybe a Pilot Siege Destroyer, since KDF players have been wanting an T5F or T6 equivalent for awhile now. At least they can't claim double-dipping since there never was a Fleet Guramba.
And a Pilot Battlecruiser. Because we all know KDF needs more battlecruisers. Maybe with a Raider Flanking Bonus, so it can be the first ever Raider fast Battlecruiser.
And for Roms, maybe a new Pilot T'Varo, Dhelan, or Ar'Kif derivative. Dhelan or Ar'Kif would be preferable, with T'Varo instead getting Command (for HY Plasma Torp bomber build reasons), and because Dhelan/Dhael needs a better design to sell, as well as the Ar'Kala/Ar'Kif and its lance console (which also needs to be fixed).
Of course, I fully expect new and original Specialized Pilot ships; ones designed exclusively to use Cmdr level Pilot skills, without busting their hulls (which probably would be one of the in-game reason to own one; less or no hull damage taken when using Fly Her Apart).
And why did he let Deanna "pilot the ship" into the ground, if he was such an accomplished pilot...
Now since Paris "piloted" the daylights out of one certain Intrepid class, by canon we can expect all Intrepid class ships (and by extension, their variants) to be retrofitted with pilot seats, correct?
Semi joking attitude aside, you "lore" covered Intel needing specific seats because only Intel ships have the toys they need. Same with Command and the Command ships with enhanced C&C systems.
Piloting, otherwise known as helming the ship, is something that every ship needs. I'm surprised that Hikaru Sulu isn't listed alongside these "notable pilots", didn't he make the Enterprise dance at least once like these piloting skills indicate?
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I may not spec all of my Captains as Pilots, but I think I really want to see those ships with Pilot seats.
So I'm thinking no cruisers or science vessels. Which is okay, really. But I'd jump at getting a hybrid Intel/Pilot ship.
Which would be totally cool as a T6 Defiant or BoP.
One minor quibble.
"Pilot Team"? Since when do you have a team of pilots flying a ship? One helmsman! One!
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I would much rather see some way in which you can turn seats into hybrid seats. Or that ships come out with more than one type of specialization amongst the seats.
I really would love the option to modify my current ships seating to add Hybrid seating. I think this level of customization will allow any one to build what ever they want with whatever new Specs they create while still allowing for people to feel like they are making progress.
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The first episode when he and Picard are meeting and the 2-parter where Jelico took command of the Enterprise both had moments where his piloting was acknowledged.
I'm not dropping more cash on this because you'll have another specialized ship in a few months.
I'm staying with my Vesta until the servers shut down.
The most likely (and still not likely) changes would be to change the Hybrid Ensign~Lt.Cmdr seats on non-Specialized ships excluding the Kobali Samsar into Universal Spec seating. So the Guardian or Pathfinder for example would be able to use any and all current and future Specializations up to the Lt rank on their Hybrid seat.
Or if they don't want to do that to all the ships, then just the Sheshar and JHSS (Lt.Cmdr Hybrid seat only, not the Lt. seat), since they are costly Promo ships and should be able to use any Specialization, current or future.
Both would be fair enough to the players, with the former being more fair, and the latter fair to the spenders Cryptic relies on. But as to whether or not Cryptic would do it, one can only hope (I really wish they would; it's a bigger incentive to spend on those T6 ships, if anything).
You only have one person flying your ship 365 days a year. Of course you need a team.
Someone said something about another three pack. Here's an idea. Your three pack instead of being focused towards science, tac, or engineering, you get a Command, Intel, or Pilot slot instead.
No.
But Commando going full spec still wouldn't be a waste especially as much as they like battlezones. It just wouldn't be needed to sell ships. Not everything this company does is a money making scheme contrary to popular belief, see the upcoming sector space revamp. (Most, but not everything.)
Honestly though that makes sense. That is basically the single target Fire at Will that cruiser captains have been asking for for ages.
That's the truth. EVERY ship should have a pilot.
I gotta say that's kind of an issue with the game design versus the ship's function.
Neither tactical officer is a designated Conn or Tactical (your pilot and gunner), if you have two engineer stations, one isn't designated Engineering and Operations (your repair and power management, and crew allocation guy) if you have two science stations neither is designated science officer and doctor (analysis and special effects, and crew healing).
I'll appreciate a Tier 6 Galaxy, Negh'var, and all (says the rumor), and I wait patiently for a Tier 6 Sovereign and even more patiently for a Tier 6 Bird of Prey.
But the current standing ships need to be upgraded to specialist functionality for a fee. Restrict it so you can only have one specialist active at a time and you have to go to a starbase to swap them out or something.
But solely releasing new ships to support the new specializations is silly good business model on paper be damned. Especially when they're coming out so quickly.
Also, Clean getaway is shown as rank 1 at both ensign and lieutenant in the chart.
Otherwise, those pilot abilities actually look fairly usable for the most part. I'd say far more than Command and even Intel ones. Of course it's a pita only a handgul new ships will be able to use them, and possibly not even ships that would thematically fit. (It'd be great if large cruisers and carriers were refitted with command seats, stealthy raiders, warbirds and small escorts with intel seats and so on... Actually, maybe rather sci ships with intel and escorts with pilot.)
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Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!