yep, and so far (going by the Dev Blogs posted) we have one new Story mission (going live on 3/26); and THREE new PvE queue events (You know the PvE queues - the content that's probably the least played since DR went live - unless it's an Event queue on an event that awards a lot on completion); so yeah, so far there's evidence they did look at that poll...oh, wait...
Keep in mind that whenever they have asked a poll, there has been a delay from when its asked to when they implement it. I'm pretty sure the Devs haven't forgotten about Exploration. It will just be included in the next development cycle for the game.
To the both of you, if you'd be so kind; list for me all types of players you can think of, and what they might be using the game for.
Fun. I play for fun.
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
However, there should be a better balance between business, and us, the playerbase. Delta Recruits are a business decision, and whether anyone wishes to believe it or not, the very existence of Delta Recruits takes away from existing characters. Do existing characters benefit from what a Delta Recruit might provide? Sure, some (not all) of the Delta Recruit unlocks will be made available to existing players, but that's after we've worked on them.
How is creating new and better ways to level toons - for new players, returning players, or existing players wanting to make alts - a bad business decision? That sounds plenty good to me.
Also, of course we're going to have to work for the benefits and account-wide unlocks. It's an MMO. Toon progression doesn't happen without playing the game, and sometimes that involves specific tasks.
This was a thread to say positive things about Delta Recruitment, when I checked yesterday it was going well, it seems it only takes a day for a positive thread to go bad...:(
"Positive thread shelf life: 1 day"
There's enough positives in here to show that yes, a significant portion of the playerbase has nice things to say about Delta Recruitment, or the game in general. No worries
Sorry to say, but that doesn't inspire me to believe the recent Poll was much beyond a PR stunt. Yes, PvE Queue missions are faster to make, but since DR, it's plainly obvious that aside from PvE Queue content related to the 'Events' and the old tried and true original STFs - the majority of PvE Queue content remains largely unused by the playerbase
The 'queues are dead' argument is growing old now. There are plenty of players in the PvE content, and players will very likely flock to the new queues.
IDK - Sounds like some of the Lead Devs are ignoring the player feedback they in effect solicited; which in conjunction with the playerbase's quantifiable lack of use of new PvE Queue content to me shows that STO Lead Devs have been making POOR development/design decisions. That coupled with the fact (again seen in publically released PWE financial reports) that profits are down roughly 50% for PWI's Western subsidiary PWE; and as a result PWE's U.S. holdings were downsized 18 positions...I don't think you can conclude that Cryptic Lead Dev decisions have been all that great in retaining paying players, or growing the paying plaerbase.
You can't "conclude" anything from those financials. Don't mix dollars and games, and claim you've found undeniable facts. Only the people running the business can do that, because profit margins can be influenced by a ton of factors that have nothing to do with the gameplay or content.
I'll be honest its just another grind something a lot of people don't want. The concept of this being a game has escaped me due to the fact its become nothing more than a job itself and content is no longer designed around being fun and that is why there is doom and gloom.
That's your opinion, and that's fine. But there are also "a lot of people" who don't think this is a grindy mechanic, and do still enjoy the game.
If you don't actually enjoy the game anymore though, maybe you should stop playing it?
Edit: It amuses me, slightly, that this isn't the first time a Dev has openly stated his displeasure in how a certain update/idea has been received by us, the playerbase. One would think they'd have taken the hint by now that their genius ideas just ain't what's desired.
You should be saying "by a portion of the playerbase." Not everyone is upset over Delta Recruiting. And for the record, I'm a player who thinks that many, if not most, of their "genius ideas" have actually been quite good, and I've enjoyed many of the recent changes to the game.
Edit: It amuses me, slightly, that this isn't the first time a Dev has openly stated his displeasure in how a certain update/idea has been received by us, the playerbase. One would think they'd have taken the hint by now that their genius ideas just ain't what's desired.
It amuses me slightly that you think you represent the playerbase.
Whiners seem to often feel they represent the playerbase as a whole, when they obviously don't. Not all do, of course, but several of the posts in this very thread have said "the playerbase" as a single unit - and it's not. It's just like my positives don't reflect the entire playerbase.
To the both of you, if you'd be so kind; list for me all types of players you can think of, and what they might be using the game for.
Roleplaying, canon builds using established Star Trek specs, the challenges of specifically trying to master a lesser-geared ship (think end-game NX and Connie runs), making ships for specialized tasks... There are a lot of ways to play this game, not just the way you think everyone should play.
maybe a tiny minority of players think leveling new characters up then deleting them and doing it again is fun !
but not most players...yes im speaking most players because I am in touch with most players leveling up new toons is a grind its not exciting playing the same content over and over that's why the term Grind exists
That's quite the assumption you're making. I have no idea what the ratio of hate/love for leveling is, but there are plenty of players in this thread and elsewhere who have expressed a lot of excitement over Delta Recruitment and leveling a new toon. Might not be the majority, might not be the minority, who knows - you and I certainly don't know, that's for sure.
Keep in mind that whenever they have asked a poll, there has been a delay from when its asked to when they implement it. I'm pretty sure the Devs haven't forgotten about Exploration. It will just be included in the next development cycle for the game.
Yep. They've got to plan, design, code, test, and release everything. It takes time.
What's the point in playing if you don't at least aspire to get a ship with Mk XII Purple gear, thus being competitive in even the Elite STF's?
I've been here 3+ years. I've played exactly two elite STFs, and those only because some fleetmates asked me to join them. I could care less if I never played another one. I get plenty of enjoyment and fun out of this game without participating in the never-ending arms race.
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--Red Annorax
I don't have any hard numbers, but most of the player-base went back to their mains, using alts as farmers, rather than actually PLAYING them anyway. Why not just make a new farmer that gives account-wide bonuses, instead of not getting a bonus from your current farmers?
Keep in mind that whenever they have asked a poll, there has been a delay from when its asked to when they implement it. I'm pretty sure the Devs haven't forgotten about Exploration. It will just be included in the next development cycle for the game.
Not that Polls would mean anything ... the last Poll (~1,5 years ago) was about which Species was supposed to be the next big "Villain" in the DQ ... Krenim won ... have you seen any Krenim recently ?
Besides they already told us that "real Exploration" is "impossible" ... at least not in the way most people would want it ...
PS : There also was a poll/survey about PVE Queues & which of them were hard to queue, due to lack of players ... the response was : "ALL Queues are fine" ...
Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
We had kids in school who bragged about underachieving making Fs and etc.
Just happy most people try to improve instead of settling on medicore.
There is a difference in an education and a game.
Star Trek Online is a game...meant to be played for fun and entertainment purposes.
It's not supposed to be Job 2.0. Or measure my Epeen.
Are there people who play this game to get all the best gear and ships?
Yes and they are playing the way they want to.
There are also people who play this game for fun....to burn a few hours doing something.
There is no right way to play the game. Play it how you want but don't look down on people who don't play as you do.
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
We had kids in school who bragged about underachieving making Fs and etc.
Just happy most people try to improve instead of settling on medicore.
In school I knew of a guy who backed over an offensive linemen so he'd get off the bench and actually get some play time in.
Just like your highschool underacheiver's using bravado to mask their teenage insecurity, this has nothing to do with how people choose to spend their leisure time.
There is nothing mediocre about enjoying the game in a way that you find fun.
I think this is the problem people too focused on the gear and ships and not on the fun.
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
You should be saying "by a portion of the playerbase." Not everyone is upset over Delta Recruiting. And for the record, I'm a player who thinks that many, if not most, of their "genius ideas" have actually been quite good, and I've enjoyed many of the recent changes to the game.
Roleplaying, canon builds using established Star Trek specs, the challenges of specifically trying to master a lesser-geared ship (think end-game NX and Connie runs), making ships for specialized tasks... There are a lot of ways to play this game, not just the way you think everyone should play.
Lets take a Federation player then, who only uses Phaser Beams and Photon/Quantum Torpedoes; using your argument, once they've acquired all those items, what are they then to do? Could it be that they aim to better those items, making them more viable endgame? Sounds like a certain amount of grind will be involved to achieve that.
I've been here 3+ years. I've played exactly two elite STFs, and those only because some fleetmates asked me to join them. I could care less if I never played another one. I get plenty of enjoyment and fun out of this game without participating in the never-ending arms race.
I will be so kind to tell you to go find that out for yourself, it might be incredibly enlightening.
You were the one to make the claim, thus it's your job to back it up. I obviously wouldn't know where to start (else I'd know by now) so yeah, I refer you back to my previous request. What's that saying... show up or shut up?
And yeah, admittedly I do occasionally (wrongly) relate to the playerbase as a whole, that isn't my intention, though it is nice to imagine sometimes that there are less sheep playing this game. :rolleyes:
I don't like the idea of, nor will I support Delta Recruitment. I don't believe the ends justify the means. That's ultimately what it comes down to for me.
its pretty evident to me that nearly all of the snide comments and ad hominems are coming from the Delta Defenders.
Delta Defenders, is that our new name? Does this mean I have to stop being a White Knight, or Cryptic Fanboy?
As for snide comments in this thread, I haven't gone through to keep track but I wouldn't be surprised. But do try to understand, the purpose of this thread is to discuss the positives of Delta Recruitment, so when one of the, lets go with "Delta Detractors" shows up to say the exact same thing they've said in every other Delta Recruitment Drive thread with the exact same lack of information... maybe they've earned a snide comment? Maybe a snide comment will teach them that, like Elite STF content, not every thread is for them?
Delta Defenders, is that our new name? Does this mean I have to stop being a White Knight, or Cryptic Fanboy?
As for snide comments in this thread, I haven't gone through to keep track but I wouldn't be surprised. But do try to understand, the purpose of this thread is to discuss the positives of Delta Recruitment, so when one of the, lets go with "Delta Detractors" shows up to say the exact same thing they've said in every other Delta Recruitment Drive thread with the exact same lack of information... maybe they've earned a snide comment? Maybe a snide comment will teach them that, like Elite STF content, not every thread is for them?
That's excatly the problem with most of the Snide Comments in this Thread ... stupid rants out of nowhere, about how "many evil whiners" are in here, without even reading the Thread (except the Headline) ... because there aren't that many ...
It's funny when people complain about the toxicity of "Complainers" ... when they don't even exist ... and the only "toxicity" is their own ...
PS : Just read Taco's first response ...
Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
How is creating new and better ways to level toons - for new players, returning players, or existing players wanting to make alts - a bad business decision? That sounds plenty good to me.
Is that even what this is?
In terms of content, it sounds like a few extra or modified cutscenes.
Otherwise, it's the same as leveling any other character, but with a super-special title.
Lets take a Federation player then, who only uses Phaser Beams and Photon/Quantum Torpedoes; using your argument, once they've acquired all those items, what are they then to do? Could it be that they aim to better those items, making them more viable endgame? Sounds like a certain amount of grind will be involved to achieve that.
You were the one to make the claim, thus it's your job to back it up. I obviously wouldn't know where to start (else I'd know by now) so yeah, I refer you back to my previous request. What's that saying... show up or shut up?
chipg7 gave the answer I would have given, and you already twisted it into your 'Elite STF Or GTFO' stance. It doesn't even cross your mind that someone may just be happy to run missions, blow up the odd Klingon/Fed, and gradually improve the build they have to their own tastes. Throw in your dismissiveness of royalsoverign's counter-point and that's pretty much all I need to know.
In terms of content, it sounds like a few extra or modified cutscenes.
Otherwise, it's the same as leveling any other character, but with a super-special title.
Is there something I'm missing?
Then don't do it. Personally, I'm stoked. I love the rommie story and its like I'll be given a bonus just for doing it again. I've been gathering resources since I heard the announcement.
It doesn't even cross your mind that someone may just be happy to run missions, blow up the odd Klingon/Fed, and gradually improve the build they have to their own tastes.
You do that in normals.
At least, that's what I do. I've come to realize that in terms of the forum going population, I'm vocally more considerate of others than the majority of posters here.
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There's more people playing than just you and everyone else in the elite STFs, you know.
Keep in mind that whenever they have asked a poll, there has been a delay from when its asked to when they implement it. I'm pretty sure the Devs haven't forgotten about Exploration. It will just be included in the next development cycle for the game.
Fun. I play for fun.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
How is creating new and better ways to level toons - for new players, returning players, or existing players wanting to make alts - a bad business decision? That sounds plenty good to me.
Also, of course we're going to have to work for the benefits and account-wide unlocks. It's an MMO. Toon progression doesn't happen without playing the game, and sometimes that involves specific tasks.
There's enough positives in here to show that yes, a significant portion of the playerbase has nice things to say about Delta Recruitment, or the game in general. No worries
The 'queues are dead' argument is growing old now. There are plenty of players in the PvE content, and players will very likely flock to the new queues.
You can't "conclude" anything from those financials. Don't mix dollars and games, and claim you've found undeniable facts. Only the people running the business can do that, because profit margins can be influenced by a ton of factors that have nothing to do with the gameplay or content.
That's your opinion, and that's fine. But there are also "a lot of people" who don't think this is a grindy mechanic, and do still enjoy the game.
If you don't actually enjoy the game anymore though, maybe you should stop playing it?
You should be saying "by a portion of the playerbase." Not everyone is upset over Delta Recruiting. And for the record, I'm a player who thinks that many, if not most, of their "genius ideas" have actually been quite good, and I've enjoyed many of the recent changes to the game.
Whiners seem to often feel they represent the playerbase as a whole, when they obviously don't. Not all do, of course, but several of the posts in this very thread have said "the playerbase" as a single unit - and it's not. It's just like my positives don't reflect the entire playerbase.
But misery loves company, eh?
Roleplaying, canon builds using established Star Trek specs, the challenges of specifically trying to master a lesser-geared ship (think end-game NX and Connie runs), making ships for specialized tasks... There are a lot of ways to play this game, not just the way you think everyone should play.
That's quite the assumption you're making. I have no idea what the ratio of hate/love for leveling is, but there are plenty of players in this thread and elsewhere who have expressed a lot of excitement over Delta Recruitment and leveling a new toon. Might not be the majority, might not be the minority, who knows - you and I certainly don't know, that's for sure.
Yep. They've got to plan, design, code, test, and release everything. It takes time.
--Red Annorax
Just happy most people try to improve instead of settling on mediocre.
I don't have any hard numbers, but most of the player-base went back to their mains, using alts as farmers, rather than actually PLAYING them anyway. Why not just make a new farmer that gives account-wide bonuses, instead of not getting a bonus from your current farmers?
Not that Polls would mean anything ... the last Poll (~1,5 years ago) was about which Species was supposed to be the next big "Villain" in the DQ ... Krenim won ... have you seen any Krenim recently ?
Besides they already told us that "real Exploration" is "impossible" ... at least not in the way most people would want it ...
PS : There also was a poll/survey about PVE Queues & which of them were hard to queue, due to lack of players ... the response was : "ALL Queues are fine" ...
There is a difference in an education and a game.
Star Trek Online is a game...meant to be played for fun and entertainment purposes.
It's not supposed to be Job 2.0. Or measure my Epeen.
Are there people who play this game to get all the best gear and ships?
Yes and they are playing the way they want to.
There are also people who play this game for fun....to burn a few hours doing something.
There is no right way to play the game. Play it how you want but don't look down on people who don't play as you do.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
In school I knew of a guy who backed over an offensive linemen so he'd get off the bench and actually get some play time in.
Just like your highschool underacheiver's using bravado to mask their teenage insecurity, this has nothing to do with how people choose to spend their leisure time.
I think this is the problem people too focused on the gear and ships and not on the fun.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
I will be so kind to tell you to go find that out for yourself, it might be incredibly enlightening.
I would say being mediocre is the expection not the rule.
If not there would be no upgrades or different levels for queues.
Yeah, no. Quit it with the toxicity and then we can start discussing.
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Yeah, I got that with your last message, now perhaps you could reply to my last message?
Then I say by a portion of the playerbase.
Lets take a Federation player then, who only uses Phaser Beams and Photon/Quantum Torpedoes; using your argument, once they've acquired all those items, what are they then to do? Could it be that they aim to better those items, making them more viable endgame? Sounds like a certain amount of grind will be involved to achieve that.
Good for you.
You were the one to make the claim, thus it's your job to back it up. I obviously wouldn't know where to start (else I'd know by now) so yeah, I refer you back to my previous request. What's that saying... show up or shut up?
And yeah, admittedly I do occasionally (wrongly) relate to the playerbase as a whole, that isn't my intention, though it is nice to imagine sometimes that there are less sheep playing this game. :rolleyes:
I don't like the idea of, nor will I support Delta Recruitment. I don't believe the ends justify the means. That's ultimately what it comes down to for me.
Delta Defenders, is that our new name? Does this mean I have to stop being a White Knight, or Cryptic Fanboy?
As for snide comments in this thread, I haven't gone through to keep track but I wouldn't be surprised. But do try to understand, the purpose of this thread is to discuss the positives of Delta Recruitment, so when one of the, lets go with "Delta Detractors" shows up to say the exact same thing they've said in every other Delta Recruitment Drive thread with the exact same lack of information... maybe they've earned a snide comment? Maybe a snide comment will teach them that, like Elite STF content, not every thread is for them?
That's excatly the problem with most of the Snide Comments in this Thread ... stupid rants out of nowhere, about how "many evil whiners" are in here, without even reading the Thread (except the Headline) ... because there aren't that many ...
It's funny when people complain about the toxicity of "Complainers" ... when they don't even exist ... and the only "toxicity" is their own ...
PS : Just read Taco's first response ...
Ground STF's.
Try out different ships.
Make webvideos about their adventures, set to light 80's synth-rock.
Play dress-up with their characters, make-up their captain and away team to look like the Backstreet Boys, just as an example.
Max-out their reputations in adventure zones.
Visit upon random bankers and exchange goers disco balls.
Play the Nagus on the exchange.
In terms of content, it sounds like a few extra or modified cutscenes.
Otherwise, it's the same as leveling any other character, but with a super-special title.
Is there something I'm missing?
I suspect "Delta Defenders" is a euphemism for DPSers.
So no, you don't get to add a new honorific to the list.
chipg7 gave the answer I would have given, and you already twisted it into your 'Elite STF Or GTFO' stance. It doesn't even cross your mind that someone may just be happy to run missions, blow up the odd Klingon/Fed, and gradually improve the build they have to their own tastes. Throw in your dismissiveness of royalsoverign's counter-point and that's pretty much all I need to know.
Since we do not know what the perks are for delta recruits, no judgement can be made.
But in any case, the xp boost alone is a good perk for new players.
Then don't do it. Personally, I'm stoked. I love the rommie story and its like I'll be given a bonus just for doing it again. I've been gathering resources since I heard the announcement.
At least, that's what I do. I've come to realize that in terms of the forum going population, I'm vocally more considerate of others than the majority of posters here.