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    thegcbaconthegcbacon Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Ok im a member of the DPS channels, all you here in those channels is about lag,boff, and tray bugs...Dps Channels have more then 3000 members. So I guess 3000 people is not enough to say we have a problem...While we are at it lets throw in the NoP Public Service channel aprox. 9000 members, hear about lag in that channel as well. My fleet 362 members also complain about lag...Im just going to stop now...

    Fixing those three things would make me a happy camper, but boff and tray bugs I can fix, lag I cannot.

    rotf, I never see all 12 000 of those people complaining, most never even type in chat. Try again.
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    darkknightucfdarkknightucf Member Posts: 1,546 Media Corps
    edited February 2015
    thegcbacon wrote: »
    rotf, I never see all 12 000 of those people complaining, most never even type in chat. Try again.

    Which channel, pray tell, are you talking about?
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    starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Which channel, pray tell, are you talking about?

    I assume they are talking about the DPS Channel and NoP Public Service channel which generalzod mentioned having about 3000 and 9000 players respectively. Getting all 12,000 players on those channels to complain about lag at the same time is highly improbable. I think getting struck by lightning and a meteor at the same time is more likely to happen.
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    generalzod34generalzod34 Member Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    thegcbacon wrote: »
    rotf, I never see all 12 000 of those people complaining, most never even type in chat. Try again.

    Didn't say all 12000 I was just stating how many members the channels have...
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    generalzod34generalzod34 Member Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Didn't say all 12000 I was just stating how many members the channels have...

    And that the majority of chatter is about lag issues....
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    snipey47asnipey47a Member Posts: 485 Media Corps
    edited February 2015
    To provide further information for my two videos (ISA & Fleet Defence entitled Holy Lag Fest) I have started a thread in the Technical Issues section of the forum with reference back to this post.

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=22361351#post22361351

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    peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Nice and accurate sum op of current game stability issues. Yea cryptic pls tend to it…

    There seem also a bunch of players around which experience game client crashes after anniversary patch. Happens about 1-2 times/hour most likely during the final stages of a PvE match where one usually like to grab the reward.
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    synfoolasynfoola Member Posts: 156 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    jonsills wrote: »
    Subcommander t'Shael just cleared "A Fistful of Gorn" and "Installation 18". She then went to mol'Rihan Command, where she sold a number of items on the exchange. She went to look at what the ship selection will be like when she hits Commander (I really dislike the aesthetic of the D'Deridex class), and followed that up by reporting to Admiral Kerenek for her next assignment.

    In all that time, I experienced no lag (aside from the aforementioned power-bar issue), nor any rubberbanding.

    Do I have some sort of magical direct connection with a secret Cryptic server, or is the problem in fact not so universal as you contend, and possibly more to do with Internet routing than anything else?

    Sounds like Subcommander t'Shael isn't doing any STF's where this problem seems to be easier to duplicate. In fact, Subcommander t'Shaels player said this earlier in the thread:
    jonsills wrote: »
    I don't PvP or do STFs


    So, why is Subcommander T'Shaels player making assumptions regarding Internet routing which would universally affect the game play when they, in fact, have no experience with or desire to re-create this problem by choice? How about Subcommander t'Shaels player hop on a captain who qualifies for STF's, hop in a few of those STF's like Crystal or ISA and give us some feedback with some weight behind it? Then we'll know if Subcommander t'Shaels player is truly blessed with Cryptic secret server magic.

    starkaos wrote: »
    Or it could be due to complaints being more common than compliments. If a product is working fine, then most people don't bother with praising the product, but if there are problems with a product, then they are more likely to complain or rage about it to vent their frustration.

    Then, if there weren't problems with the product, we wouldn't be seeing these complaints in zone/channel chat as well as the forums regardless of whether people are complimenting the game or not. Which we have been seeing since the anniversary patch. What are you trying to say here?
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    snipey47asnipey47a Member Posts: 485 Media Corps
    edited February 2015
    Wow...you sure live in your little lag infested,whole server protesting little fantasy universe do you? and you actually believe what you are saying?

    Please fast forward to 0:50,enjoy....you might find yourself identified with the character and/or situation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX2tMmVVTiw

    Dude, so in the face of all the evidence presented you would stick your head in the sand and blindly defend since it is not affecting you personally...

    You're a thinker, aren't you?
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    decroniadecronia Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Wow...you sure live in your little lag infested,whole server protesting little fantasy universe do you? and you actually believe what you are saying?

    Please fast forward to 0:50,enjoy....you might find yourself identified with the character and/or situation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX2tMmVVTiw

    Just because you are not seeing any problems does not mean there aren't any.

    I have not suffered major game crashes, or crippling lag, but I don't say it isn't happened. I have not had my game crash recently and I don't do certain parts of the game where people may be experiencing this. This means as I said I can't say it isn't happening just that I am not experiencing it and they are different things.
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    peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited February 2015

    Did i on the other hand visit and post my problems in the technical section of the official forums and with some help from the forums users i got my problems fixed up?


    DING DING DING winner winner chicken dinner!!!

    I myself would agree with you probably on all the other games in the world but not in STO.

    Feel free to check the technical and bug section of this forum. If you are through a dozen pages long threads with no official help or assistance or statements or whatsoever I bet you take your chicken dinner back here rather quickly to point the lag problem out to a wider audience. Users try to help but I doubt they can on topic.

    Be glad if u haven’t any lag. Me and 90% of the peeps I know in game do.
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    synfoolasynfoola Member Posts: 156 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Evidence?¿

    All the evidence i see is a bunch of lazy players who take the low road and instead of trying to figure out the problem inmediately come here to yell and whinne about the current state of the game.

    Guess what Einstein,yes im a thinker...in another mmo that will remain unnamed i had lag issues,guess what i did?

    Did i spam the forums saying the game was TRIBBLE and that i was having problems with lag and dc's because of them? Nope....

    Did i on the other hand visit and post my problems in the technical section of the official forums and with some help from the forums users i got my problems fixed up?


    DING DING DING winner winner chicken dinner!!!

    If you chose the second option you have a 0.5% more of common sense than i thought,still 99.5% short thou,but keep on trying one day you will get better.

    From the quality of your recent posts, I think you might want to replace 'thinker' with 'drinker'.

    Especially with your "show me one MMO without bugs" excuse that can be and was easily shot down by anyone who can actually...ya know...think.

    Again, instead of waiting...still waiting...and supposedly thinking, you might actually want to try reading the posts in this thread and maybe even some in the tech forum. Maybe then you wouldn't have to "think" about coming up with lame, made up accusations for people who have already tried workaround after workaround until the workarounds ran out.
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    synfoolasynfoola Member Posts: 156 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    90% and may i ask how exactly did you get that number?
    How many "peeps" do you know ingame?
    If its like 5 or 6 beh who really cares,now...do you know the WHOLE STO playerbase?
    Because if you do im really impressed,i mean you took the time to ask all of them about their lag or lack of?

    Because and sorry to say this but unless you spoke with ALL the playerbase of STO and got an answer to the question are you laggin? there is no way you can state that all of the playerbase is suffering from lag.

    You my friend have been tricked into thinking you could drop a % and that the herd here will blindly follow you and believe you,not me not the black sheep...i require proof,where is the paperwork for that 90% that you claim that is suffering from lag?

    They said "90% of the people I know"...they didn't insinuate that they knew the entire player base. You did.

    Again...MOAR reading, less "thinking".
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    synfoolasynfoola Member Posts: 156 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Shot down? lol not really bud,just thought that the response i got didnt even deserve to be dignified with an answer.

    And yest again i ask "show me one MMO without bugs".

    Any takers? Is this something that people really dont know or maybe its their first mmo,if its the latter well you better get used to it.

    Do tell us why it wasn't worth responding to...other than you had nothing to counter it with while downing your 5th of Jack, that is. lol
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    synfoolasynfoola Member Posts: 156 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Aww, how cute. Still nothing of substance to say on the issue so he deflects instead. None of us could've predicted that. lol
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    synfoolasynfoola Member Posts: 156 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Where did I say that you were an alcoholic? I might have implied that you were enjoying some Jack too much to post a worthy response at the time (and that your 'not worth it' response didn't hold water) but that doesn't constitute alcoholism, does it? For someone who seems to like throwing little jabs at others in their posts you seem to be a bit sensitive when you get some in return. We're pulling for you, "bud"...don't let those feelings get in the way of your "thinking". :D

    Now, again, do tell us why my post wasn't worth bothering to respond to when you've been happy to 'complain about the complainers' in several other thread posts despite how many people in this thread have posted in the tech forums, submitted tickets, tried workarounds until the workaround threads had nothing for them, have friends/fleet/channel mates with similar problems. And then there are quoted Cryptic posts in this very thread admitting to some of the problems. And then there's the transcription thread called 'Geko On Loadouts'. Do I need to go on?

    Every MMO has bugs. We know. Congratulations on that tidbit of irrelevance. What matters is the time and effort put into fixing those bugs/issues when they're having such a noticeable effect on gameplay and, for those of us where STO is far from their first MMO know from our history with MMO's, greater-licensed MMO's have been wrecked by similar issues as well as how public viewed the developers handling of them.
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    peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    90% and may i ask how exactly did you get that number?
    How many "peeps" do you know ingame?

    Sure, thx for asking. My in game fl has 215 players. 43 were online yesterday during my play time. 38 suffered DCs. We are well networked via various in game chats. Most noteworthy mass DC was 17 at one time simultaneously. Most annoying was 3/5 kicked simultaneously during team PvE including me.
    Because and sorry to say this but unless you spoke with ALL the playerbase of STO and got an answer to the question are you laggin? there is no way you can state that all of the playerbase is suffering from lag.

    True if one is for some solid statistics. Given the fact that I play a videogame here I think my friendliest with players from a dozen different countries with all their different IPs make up a representative figure for my estimate and it does so for about 6 weeks, perhaps more.

    You my friend have been tricked into thinking you could drop a % and that the herd here will blindly follow you and believe you,not me not the black sheep...i require proof,where is the paperwork for that 90% that you claim that is suffering from lag?

    I do not know or care much of herds and sheeps or followers, neither do I need paperwork on this topic. What I do know is that the OP as well as me as well as a large part of players I know in game have something in common, hence my contribution here. Also thank you very much for considering me a friend.

    Like I’ve said before I salute you for your problem free game experience in STO. I wish I had the same and so do many others. :)
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    kaarruukaarruu Member Posts: 133 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    I've been having occasional rubberbanding in social hubs and consistent lag on instanced space maps for a while now. STFs, Foundry, story missions... lag lag lag.

    Fleetmates complain about it, as do random people in PUGs. Other games and applications work normally, my system hasn't changed. Doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to deduce it isn't on my end.
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    generalzod34generalzod34 Member Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited February 2015
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    generalzod34generalzod34 Member Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    So im a troll? and you are just going to post and post those links to prove what exactly?

    2 different post with like 5 pages if you add both....wow i can see it now on the Wall Street Journal,alll the playerbase of STO affected by lag....

    /saracasm off

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1378241

    Showing that it is a lot of people having issues, if you have none then stfu!
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    trygvar13trygvar13 Member Posts: 697 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    shadore wrote: »
    I'm sorry but I was actually looking to work the joke about the server not responding into a post. Apparently I'm a bad comedian..

    Ah the eternal server not responding. What is really amazing about this ongoing (neverending) problem is that playing Champions Online or Neverwinter Night I never have this message. Been playing MMO's since 1997 and STO is the only game that ever had (and still has this problem - except perhaps Anarchy Online at launch). But I still love the game. Annoying when you lose the Optional on KASE because of server not responding, but it does not make the game uplayable.
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    jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,367 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    synfoola wrote: »
    Sounds like Subcommander t'Shael isn't doing any STF's where this problem seems to be easier to duplicate.
    Bypassing two pages of flameage (and your own attempt to reduce this to the level of personal statements), were this problem so universal as has been claimed, making the game literally unplayable, certainly sometime in the two hours or so I spent online something would have cropped up. Nothing did. Therefore, the problem is almost certainly not that "Cryptic's servers are dying", or anything along those lines.

    On the other paw, Cogent is a known issue, to the point that in its statement last week about the need for Net Neutrality regulations, the FCC specifically named them as one of the reasons the suggested regulations are necessary (Comcast being the other company so singled out). Reports are that Cogent has been throttling data packets when they feel the flow is getting too heavy.

    There is precisely one thing that Cryptic could potentially do about this. However, it requires that a) Cryptic not be under a long-term contract for Internet access, and b) there must be another business-class broadband ISP available in their area (not always the case - in this area, for instance, you use Comcast or you're stuck with DSL). If it's not possible for them to change ISPs, then we're back to "not a damn thing they can do about it". This goes double if, as some have suspected, this has to do with weather around the server farm (reportedly just outside Boston, which has been hit with a series of the worst snowstorms in memory if not on record - according to last night's news, eight feet of snow has fallen in the Boston area since the last thaw; they've taken to hauling it out to the bay in dump trucks and throwing it in the ocean).

    Now, if there is another ISP to which Cryptic can flee, then someone needs to lean on the beancounters and force them to realize that saving a few bucks on connectivity is going to cost them major money in the long term, especially since the same server farm hosts STO, CO, NW (which is trying to transition to Xbone as well as PCs), and a supposed fourth "secret project". Trying to run all those games through a Cogent connection if any alternative is available would seem foolish, at best.
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    coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Ooo a fourth 'secret project' you say? I am intrigued...
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    jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,367 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    trygvar13 wrote: »
    What is really amazing about this ongoing (neverending) problem is that playing Champions Online or Neverwinter Night I never have this message.
    Oddly, for the past several days I've had a lot more stability problems with CO than STO; took three tries before I could complete Tulzgorath's lair in the Canadian Crisis with one of my February toons, Vincit Omnia. (That third connection was stable enough that I could then go on to stop Rakshasa from awakening Kigatilik, then go back to Mill City and hang out with D-Test for a while.) CO's been giving me more rubberbanding and random D/Cs, too, which is the opposite of the historic pattern. It's kind of weird, really.
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    synfoolasynfoola Member Posts: 156 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    jonsills wrote: »
    Bypassing two pages of flameage (and your own attempt to reduce this to the level of personal statements), were this problem so universal as has been claimed, making the game literally unplayable, certainly sometime in the two hours or so I spent online something would have cropped up. Nothing did. Therefore, the problem is almost certainly not that "Cryptic's servers are dying", or anything along those lines.

    On the other paw, Cogent is a known issue, to the point that in its statement last week about the need for Net Neutrality regulations, the FCC specifically named them as one of the reasons the suggested regulations are necessary (Comcast being the other company so singled out). Reports are that Cogent has been throttling data packets when they feel the flow is getting too heavy.

    There is precisely one thing that Cryptic could potentially do about this. However, it requires that a) Cryptic not be under a long-term contract for Internet access, and b) there must be another business-class broadband ISP available in their area (not always the case - in this area, for instance, you use Comcast or you're stuck with DSL). If it's not possible for them to change ISPs, then we're back to "not a damn thing they can do about it". This goes double if, as some have suspected, this has to do with weather around the server farm (reportedly just outside Boston, which has been hit with a series of the worst snowstorms in memory if not on record - according to last night's news, eight feet of snow has fallen in the Boston area since the last thaw; they've taken to hauling it out to the bay in dump trucks and throwing it in the ocean).

    Now, if there is another ISP to which Cryptic can flee, then someone needs to lean on the beancounters and force them to realize that saving a few bucks on connectivity is going to cost them major money in the long term, especially since the same server farm hosts STO, CO, NW (which is trying to transition to Xbone as well as PCs), and a supposed fourth "secret project". Trying to run all those games through a Cogent connection if any alternative is available would seem foolish, at best.

    If I wanted to reduce this to personal statements, I would've been a lot more obvious. Just ask Plasmanugget. Internet Bullies whose insulting posts are here for all to see invite the opportunity to get a taste of their own medicine and then cry about it, take their ball and go home telling themselves that you somehow "weren't worthy anyways" in between sniffles. If you don't believe me, then look at his posts in this thread as well as others. Still, my apologies for my reply to you coming off as harsh or flame-inducing.

    Now, to the rest of your post: I'm not one saying that their servers are dying or anything of the sort. But I did have an issue with your implication that, since your part of the game hasn't been affected (outside of one of the bugs), it stands to reason that the issues affecting another part of the game are possibly more due to internet routing. That's quite an assumption considering that many of the people complaining about the lag/stuttering are talking about STF's which you admittedly take no part of. And wouldn't a regional internet routing issue be affecting the gameplay universally instead of just certain parts of it? That's why I'd like for you to hop in some STF's and give us some feedback from something you're experiencing instead of just talking about it. Because if you do, in fact, have some of Cryptic's secret server magic, then maybe your input from actually being in there a few times could help us get a little of that magic as well. If you're in there after a handful of Crystals & ISA's and not having lag/stuttering issues at all then the evidence will lean a little more strongly to your assumption that this could just be the Cogentco ISP thing. Right now, people are saying that this is affecting players from parts of multiple continents including the US. I, personally, would like to hear experiences from all US-NA only PuGs to see if this is true. If I was back home, I'd make this happen just to have some more input to give. I'm honestly wondering if this could be a HUD-info relay issue that's possibly aggravated by the tendency of many STO vets to run macros all grouped together. Probably wrong, but that's why I'm only wondering. lol

    And, whether solo'ers & non-STF'ers want to admit it or not, STF's ARE a rather large swath of the game for any captain who has hit 50 and wants to continue with progression which, in itself, is a rather large swath of MMO gameplay as a whole...carrot on a stick. Rep items rely on marks and reputation items, the latter which are generally limited to STF's outside of the newer Battlezones with any sense of reliability. So, when your STF is ruined due to lag/stuttering (or bugs which is a separate but equally valid issue) and your entire group is stuck on an hour-long cooldown for something not of their own making, then people have a valid reason to complain about it. And no amount of "It doesn't affect me so..." or "All MMO's have bugs" statement is going be satisfactory especially after the problem has persisted so long in some shape or (many) form(s).
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    stuart1965stuart1965 Member Posts: 691 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Rubberbanding and being D/c'd. no surprise there.
    Theres been severe server not responding problems too.
    I know many won't agree, but as an opinion, the game needs to be taken offline and overhauled, to clear it out of all bugs and any other running problems that occur.
    Its no wonder that many from what i have seen, are not buying the lifer gold accounts, as this game is too unreliable.
    If a faulty item you buy in a shop does not work properly, a customer would expect it to be repaired fully or ever replaced with a working item.
    If cryptic wants to make more money, something needs to be done about sto now.
    A properly repaired and reliable game with no bugs at all will bring in the money.
    Cryptic need to stop living in a bubble world of denial, wake up and smell the coffee.
    Half baked jobs will not solve this games problems, thats why it needs a full overhaul.
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    stuart1965stuart1965 Member Posts: 691 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Wether its accepted or not, its the servers that are the biggest cause of game problems and of course the bugs which are not being fully sorted out.
    If cryptic did something major and proper to sort this game out, and there were pleasing results, then they would get alot more good things said about them.
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    azniadeetazniadeet Member Posts: 1,871 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    When half of my friends list suddenly drops simultaneously, and it happens at least once or twice a day, it's indicative of a pretty serious problem with the game.

    And that wasn't usually the case before the Anniversary Event.
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    rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    The one or two people that claim they don't notice any problems aren't being observant of others outside of them. They are ignoring or denying something that is objectively observable unless they sit afk in an empty zone somewhere with no interaction with anything else in the game.


    Denying the fact is the worst case of ignorance. It is happening. Even cryptic acknowledges it. The problem is it isn't being resolved time after time, even though cryptic thinks they have fixed it. Saying it isn't happening is dishonest and willfully trolling or ignorant.
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