Quite a few ppl at craptic should stop smoking that new stuf, definitely not on same planet as most players I play with and from what I see on forum definitely out of touch with reality.
That is, unless they copy/paste what they say to shareholder to keep them happy.......
Jamal : Tactical space specialist. USS Bug Warrior and many others
E'Mc2 : Science Reman torp T'Varo, deadly annoyance :P
Kunmal: Tactical fed Klingon, ground specialist, USS Kanewaga
Ka -tet Tier 5 fleet fully completed Starbase and fleet property
So, if people don't play it for the same reason as you, they are wrong.
The definition of a rewarding experience means different things to different people. Seems more than a bit condescending to disparage people who play games for the fun of collecting things they need to build up thier characters, ships, abilities, etc. and have *fun* in their own way.
but if you dont play it as cryptic intended you will be nerfed back to the stone age lolol
My teen has kids at her school they call EMOs.
They cut themselves / harm themselves so they are called emotional.
What do you call a person who harms the game with so many negative posts.
I think it's a little messed up to rant about a game you play and want to play.
My teen has kids at her school they call EMOs.
They cut themselves / harm themselves so they are called emotional.
What do you call a person who harms the game with so many negative posts.
I think it's a little messed up to rant about a game you play and want to play.
Should we label them STO-EMOs. LOL
If your kids are aware of other teens cutting themselves, there are support lines they can call to get them help.
Ignoring a problem is cowardly. Laughing at it makes you part of the problem.
I have a better idea - instead of name calling, why not call them by their true name - dissatisfied customers. Three help requests to get items I still have not received from purchasing the Delta operations Pack? Perhaps I should keep my mouth shut.
How about 5 weeks of the game being all but unplayable as loadouts failed consistently?
Perhaps I shouldn't complain.
But I complained in LoR when they cut dilithium from the STF's. It was returned a week later. The same goes for cuts in DR, complained they were returned. Complained about R&D costs for materials, they were reduced.
You can quietly sit by while you spend money for things you don't receive. I prefer to be vocal when I'm disappointed in something I pay for.
And as for complaints 'hurting' STO - this launch was the most financially successful in the game history. Clearly you don't know what you're talking about.
Yeah, I'm seriously glad that I'm not the only person upset by the blog and some of what it says. For me personally, the game is too broken to play in the literal sense that any combat crashes the gameclient.exe. I can't get in for too long either or else it still crashes... And that's just the most pressing issue, that doesn't even begin to cover all of the other issues this game is having. Hell, that doesn't even cover the issues this game has been having since the winter event broke the game and the devs went on vacation knowing about it all for weeks already.
To say this game is healthy, is like Big Tobacco being your pediatrician.
This game has so many problems, they can't even add things without breaking the game. It's in a messed up state, and instead of fixing anything, they just keep putting in things to distract or sell. The game is a mess and the most they will do is say that everything is fine.
So, if people don't play it for the same reason as you, they are wrong.
No, that's the attitude of the one who says that NOBODY will play the storyline because "there are no rewards" - because it doesn't grant the SAME rewards as their preferred method.
And since so few people are playing his way, therefore nobody's playing and the game is dead and everyone employed by Cryptic is being paid in imaginary money which is why we're hallucinating the development we're seeing here (you may or may not like DR, but it exists).
And you're engaged in the exact sort of "shouting down" I mentioned. Not offering reasoned counterarguments, but rather simply saying that anyone who disagrees with your position is deluded or lying, then setting up straw-man positions to dismiss.
So, if people don't play it for the same reason as you, they are wrong.
The definition of a rewarding experience means different things to different people. Seems more than a bit condescending to disparage people who play games for the fun of collecting things they need to build up thier characters, ships, abilities, etc. and have *fun* in their own way.
Doing Foundry missions for an exciting story created by other players seems a lot more fun than doing the same mission far too many times for a new weapon.
My teen has kids at her school they call EMOs.
They cut themselves / harm themselves so they are called emotional.
What do you call a person who harms the game with so many negative posts.
I think it's a little messed up to rant about a game you play and want to play.
Reading this article, i think about an executive producer who is completely untied with his game and a news that is completely unrelated with what really happens online every day.
I don't know but when they will realize that they are committing an huge error continuing this way, it will be too late...
No, that's the attitude of the one who says that NOBODY will play the storyline because "there are no rewards" - because it doesn't grant the SAME rewards as their preferred method.
And since so few people are playing his way, therefore nobody's playing and the game is dead and everyone employed by Cryptic is being paid in imaginary money which is why we're hallucinating the development we're seeing here (you may or may not like DR, but it exists).
And you're engaged in the exact sort of "shouting down" I mentioned. Not offering reasoned counterarguments, but rather simply saying that anyone who disagrees with your position is deluded or lying, then setting up straw-man positions to dismiss.
LOL you're accusing others of your favourite tactic. Funny that.
The rewards for playing the storyline are simple, mediocre at best writing (and that's for the good missions), poor character progression where the player is reduced to nameless Captain every time who must fix everyone elses problems because well they can't tie their shoelaces and breathing seems to be optional...
Oh and ingame financially you get Sweet FA from doing storyline. Just a few bad weapons, and 3 ship sets (Breen, JH and Solonae). The sets are great, but forcing replay's to complete them is sloppy design yet again.
As for you not joining queue's, you've already stated you are anti-social and dislike having to go out in public, so it's not surprising you dislike about the only aspect of this game that could be classed as making it an MMO (with the exception of broken PvP).
I don't mind pugging, but currently with the griefers and the farmers it's not worth the hassle. There are some noobs too, some listen, others whine about how bad everyone else is when they parse around 500dps. I don't mind the listeners, I call out the whiners. Hell I used to try to help even them, but most turned out to have mental issues much further reaching than just being a gamer playing an MMO.
Chris Robert's on SC:
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
How about fun? How about the simple joy of interacting with an unfolding story, learning where it's going (and, on later playthroughs, how you can alter it by your actions), seeing what becomes of the various characters you encounter?
Why must everything be rewarded by stuff? What's wrong with just enjoying yourself? Do you refuse to watch television unless the producers pay you? Do you avoid any sporting events where you don't have actual money riding on the outcome? Do you only like songs you're getting royalties for?
Why can't entertainment simply be, well, entertaining?
I'm having a heck of a time, myself. If you're not, well, sorry for ya.
(Oh, by the way, "NONE" on the Rep Marks? My 500 Delta Marks would beg to differ...)
I have played STO for fun for the entire time on this account and the previous one. I was one of the DPS robot, but now I focus on satisfaction and interesting ways to challenge my team and fleet.
I personally hope to see new content, with plots and puzzles and jumping games and pilot games. I would pay to get that content, if it let me enjoy great stories and interesting challenges that could not be resolved with DPS and equipment.
I realize that many other people who come to MMOs do not feel this way. They can PVP against each other forever, with bigger and badder Mk XXV weapons that they complain about endless grinding to obtain (for free, since they refuse to pay for the game play).
Star Trek is the reason I come to STO. Not PVP and not PVE. If the creative team can make episodic content as interesting and as engaging as the original Star Trek broadcast, or as fascinating as the JJAbrahms films, I will pay to play it. Even if the graphics are outdated, and no original actor voices are used.
Just because you feel like [pvp balance / upgrade costs / exp grind time / insert your issue here] is broken doesn't mean that everyone is miserable.
You forgot: Queue balance / Queue Rewards / Queue Goals / R&D costs / dill grind time / dill rewards / mark grind time / doff grind time / event grind time/ no real exploration / no real diplomacy / gambling everywhere / BUGS
and I am sure, i forgot most issues
I believe you, that not everybody is unhappy with the state of the game. For whales, it must be the best STO time ever.
If your kids are aware of other teens cutting themselves, there are support lines they can call to get them help.
Ignoring a problem is cowardly. Laughing at it makes you part of the problem.
I have a better idea - instead of name calling, why not call them by their true name - dissatisfied customers. Three help requests to get items I still have not received from purchasing the Delta operations Pack? Perhaps I should keep my mouth shut.
How about 5 weeks of the game being all but unplayable as loadouts failed consistently?
Perhaps I shouldn't complain.
But I complained in LoR when they cut dilithium from the STF's. It was returned a week later. The same goes for cuts in DR, complained they were returned. Complained about R&D costs for materials, they were reduced.
You can quietly sit by while you spend money for things you don't receive. I prefer to be vocal when I'm disappointed in something I pay for.
And as for complaints 'hurting' STO - this launch was the most financially successful in the game history. Clearly you don't know what you're talking about.
Because you did not understand my previous post let me rephrase.
Adults don't sit around and complain if they don't like the food at a restaurant.
They get up and leave then they don't come back.
I guess maybe there are people who might sit in the lobby and rant.
Because you did not understand my previous post let me rephrase.
Adults don't sit around and complain if they don't like the food at a restaurant.
They get up and leave then they don't come back.
I guess maybe there are people who might sit in the lobby and rant.
If your favourite restaurant suddenly changed the menu, increased the prices and wanted you to do some repetitive boring task between each meal wouldn't you complain in the hope that they would see that they've made a mistake?
If your favourite restaurant suddenly changed the menu, increased the prices and wanted you to do some repetitive boring task between each meal wouldn't you complain in the hope that they would see that they've made a mistake?
No, I would leave. It's not like I own the restaurant. They'll see their mistake when the business drops off, or they'll go down and another will take their place.
No, I would leave. It's not like I own the restaurant. They'll see their mistake when the business drops off, or they'll go down and another will take their place.
Some of us like this game and don't want it to close down. It's not the people who complain that are hurting the game.
Because you did not understand my previous post let me rephrase.
Adults don't sit around and complain if they don't like the food at a restaurant.
They get up and leave then they don't come back.
I guess maybe there are people who might sit in the lobby and rant.
I do not wish to be inflammatory so I will start with the fact that I agree with your statement to a degree. If you do, in fact, go to a restaurant only to receive bad service and bad food you will most likely not return to said restaurant. However, that in no way means you do not have a right to complain.
What you suggest is an if you dont like it, leave attitude. This is where your logic begins to crumble. Many players still enjoy the game to a degree but strongly desire to see the multitude of issues fixed. Bugs, glitches, broken content, etc. Are you suggesting these issues merely be ignored or that those who experience said issues shut up or get out?
F2P or not, STO is a service and we the consumers. Whether we sub, purchase zen or not is irrelevant. PWE and Cryptic are providing the service of entertainment. When that service falls to subpar quality not due to the game itself but the rampant issues which are seemingly ignored by PWE, et al, we, the consumers, are well within our rights to make complaints, would you not agree?
Its easy to say if you dont like it then leave. What if we do like the game but still want the TRIBBLE fixed?
If you say nothing, that is exactly what they will hear.
If you do nothing, that is exactly what they will strive to give you.
Because you did not understand my previous post let me rephrase.
Adults don't sit around and complain if they don't like the food at a restaurant.
They get up and leave then they don't come back.
I guess maybe there are people who might sit in the lobby and rant.
You're suffering from Analogy Misfires. It's ok.
Your second example is bad as well. If I order a steak and get something else - you complain. You don't sit quietly and eat it, then never come back. You call over your server, identify the problem and have it rectified. I don't care if it's McDonalds or Ruth Chris. If I don't get satisfaction, I move up the chain of command. It's simple.
I get you're saying that people who complain harm the game.
My point is this - these forums are but a fraction of the bad publicity, and that most of the outside commentary starts here. If they did what they said they were going to do, 90% of the complaints would stop overnight.
Hell, I'm still waiting on stuff I purchased 4 months ago but they seem UNWILLING to fix. I am not alone.
Have you read the Twitter comments? Facebook? Reddit? Massively? Heck there are entire blogs now focused on one thing - the clusterfrack that is Delta Rising. It's clear the EP doesn't actually play the game.
Even with all of that, I'm still a paying customer. $525 as of yesterday in the past 6 weeks. You better believe I think I deserve to get what I've paid for. And I'll keep screaming in to the vacuum until I get what I paid for. Y'know - that's be a great name for a blog...
If it was only April 1st ... then I could yell April Fools. Perhaps the EP was hung over from celebrating ... "DR is the best expansion ever and the players love it!" :rolleyes:
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That is, unless they copy/paste what they say to shareholder to keep them happy.......
E'Mc2 : Science Reman torp T'Varo, deadly annoyance :P
Kunmal: Tactical fed Klingon, ground specialist, USS Kanewaga
Ka -tet Tier 5 fleet fully completed Starbase and fleet property
but if you dont play it as cryptic intended you will be nerfed back to the stone age lolol
Your ship after stone ageing nerf
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They cut themselves / harm themselves so they are called emotional.
What do you call a person who harms the game with so many negative posts.
I think it's a little messed up to rant about a game you play and want to play.
Should we label them STO-EMOs. LOL
If your kids are aware of other teens cutting themselves, there are support lines they can call to get them help.
Ignoring a problem is cowardly. Laughing at it makes you part of the problem.
I have a better idea - instead of name calling, why not call them by their true name - dissatisfied customers. Three help requests to get items I still have not received from purchasing the Delta operations Pack? Perhaps I should keep my mouth shut.
How about 5 weeks of the game being all but unplayable as loadouts failed consistently?
Perhaps I shouldn't complain.
But I complained in LoR when they cut dilithium from the STF's. It was returned a week later. The same goes for cuts in DR, complained they were returned. Complained about R&D costs for materials, they were reduced.
You can quietly sit by while you spend money for things you don't receive. I prefer to be vocal when I'm disappointed in something I pay for.
And as for complaints 'hurting' STO - this launch was the most financially successful in the game history. Clearly you don't know what you're talking about.
To say this game is healthy, is like Big Tobacco being your pediatrician.
This game has so many problems, they can't even add things without breaking the game. It's in a messed up state, and instead of fixing anything, they just keep putting in things to distract or sell. The game is a mess and the most they will do is say that everything is fine.
And since so few people are playing his way, therefore nobody's playing and the game is dead and everyone employed by Cryptic is being paid in imaginary money which is why we're hallucinating the development we're seeing here (you may or may not like DR, but it exists).
And you're engaged in the exact sort of "shouting down" I mentioned. Not offering reasoned counterarguments, but rather simply saying that anyone who disagrees with your position is deluded or lying, then setting up straw-man positions to dismiss.
Doing Foundry missions for an exciting story created by other players seems a lot more fun than doing the same mission far too many times for a new weapon.
/facepam
Just.... /facepalm
I don't know but when they will realize that they are committing an huge error continuing this way, it will be too late...
LOL you're accusing others of your favourite tactic. Funny that.
The rewards for playing the storyline are simple, mediocre at best writing (and that's for the good missions), poor character progression where the player is reduced to nameless Captain every time who must fix everyone elses problems because well they can't tie their shoelaces and breathing seems to be optional...
Oh and ingame financially you get Sweet FA from doing storyline. Just a few bad weapons, and 3 ship sets (Breen, JH and Solonae). The sets are great, but forcing replay's to complete them is sloppy design yet again.
As for you not joining queue's, you've already stated you are anti-social and dislike having to go out in public, so it's not surprising you dislike about the only aspect of this game that could be classed as making it an MMO (with the exception of broken PvP).
I don't mind pugging, but currently with the griefers and the farmers it's not worth the hassle. There are some noobs too, some listen, others whine about how bad everyone else is when they parse around 500dps. I don't mind the listeners, I call out the whiners. Hell I used to try to help even them, but most turned out to have mental issues much further reaching than just being a gamer playing an MMO.
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
I have played STO for fun for the entire time on this account and the previous one. I was one of the DPS robot, but now I focus on satisfaction and interesting ways to challenge my team and fleet.
I personally hope to see new content, with plots and puzzles and jumping games and pilot games. I would pay to get that content, if it let me enjoy great stories and interesting challenges that could not be resolved with DPS and equipment.
I realize that many other people who come to MMOs do not feel this way. They can PVP against each other forever, with bigger and badder Mk XXV weapons that they complain about endless grinding to obtain (for free, since they refuse to pay for the game play).
Star Trek is the reason I come to STO. Not PVP and not PVE. If the creative team can make episodic content as interesting and as engaging as the original Star Trek broadcast, or as fascinating as the JJAbrahms films, I will pay to play it. Even if the graphics are outdated, and no original actor voices are used.
You forgot: Queue balance / Queue Rewards / Queue Goals / R&D costs / dill grind time / dill rewards / mark grind time / doff grind time / event grind time/ no real exploration / no real diplomacy / gambling everywhere / BUGS
and I am sure, i forgot most issues
I believe you, that not everybody is unhappy with the state of the game. For whales, it must be the best STO time ever.
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Because you did not understand my previous post let me rephrase.
Adults don't sit around and complain if they don't like the food at a restaurant.
They get up and leave then they don't come back.
I guess maybe there are people who might sit in the lobby and rant.
If your favourite restaurant suddenly changed the menu, increased the prices and wanted you to do some repetitive boring task between each meal wouldn't you complain in the hope that they would see that they've made a mistake?
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Some of us like this game and don't want it to close down. It's not the people who complain that are hurting the game.
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When the "complaining" reaches a point of outright lying you are hurting the game Mister "CRYPTIC RAISED THE PRICES! THEY HATE PUPPIES!"
I do not wish to be inflammatory so I will start with the fact that I agree with your statement to a degree. If you do, in fact, go to a restaurant only to receive bad service and bad food you will most likely not return to said restaurant. However, that in no way means you do not have a right to complain.
What you suggest is an if you dont like it, leave attitude. This is where your logic begins to crumble. Many players still enjoy the game to a degree but strongly desire to see the multitude of issues fixed. Bugs, glitches, broken content, etc. Are you suggesting these issues merely be ignored or that those who experience said issues shut up or get out?
F2P or not, STO is a service and we the consumers. Whether we sub, purchase zen or not is irrelevant. PWE and Cryptic are providing the service of entertainment. When that service falls to subpar quality not due to the game itself but the rampant issues which are seemingly ignored by PWE, et al, we, the consumers, are well within our rights to make complaints, would you not agree?
Its easy to say if you dont like it then leave. What if we do like the game but still want the TRIBBLE fixed?
If you say nothing, that is exactly what they will hear.
If you do nothing, that is exactly what they will strive to give you.
THIS mentality is just as dangerous.
If a woman slaps you in the face do you say nothing and let her pummel you just because you like her?!
Many of us like the game. That in no way means we dont want PWE/Cryptic to get off their butts and FIX it.
It's those who are satisfied with the broken content that are genuinely hurting the game.
Then don't read the forums?
Just how much did Cryptic pay you to say that? The white knights are surely out tonight!
You're suffering from Analogy Misfires. It's ok.
Your second example is bad as well. If I order a steak and get something else - you complain. You don't sit quietly and eat it, then never come back. You call over your server, identify the problem and have it rectified. I don't care if it's McDonalds or Ruth Chris. If I don't get satisfaction, I move up the chain of command. It's simple.
I get you're saying that people who complain harm the game.
My point is this - these forums are but a fraction of the bad publicity, and that most of the outside commentary starts here. If they did what they said they were going to do, 90% of the complaints would stop overnight.
Hell, I'm still waiting on stuff I purchased 4 months ago but they seem UNWILLING to fix. I am not alone.
Have you read the Twitter comments? Facebook? Reddit? Massively? Heck there are entire blogs now focused on one thing - the clusterfrack that is Delta Rising. It's clear the EP doesn't actually play the game.
Even with all of that, I'm still a paying customer. $525 as of yesterday in the past 6 weeks. You better believe I think I deserve to get what I've paid for. And I'll keep screaming in to the vacuum until I get what I paid for. Y'know - that's be a great name for a blog...
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TRIBBLE - it's already taken.
Stating facts is white knighting. Does that make a Logic Paladin? I hope so.
That sounds like some sort of personal attack. I hope you have something to back it up. People will just dismiss you as a troll otherwise.
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Yeah. Between the 'butthurt', 'emo' and other troll posts, I am still trying to pick out my favorite one.
Sooooo this thread was not made by you?
I admitted my mistake in that thread. Next please.
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