I, for one, hope it's around for a very long time. Bugs and glitches aside, when I get a chance, I love logging in and playing some Trek-related material for a few hours...
I'd miss it if it were gone... Though my wife probably wouldn't...
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"Equipped with his five senses, man explores the universe around him and calls the adventure science." - Edwin Hubble
That's probably for the best IMO, since STO is one of the better titles, if not the best.
They have been.
Not really. I mean they've tried the tray reset issue a couple of times, still broken for some. Ship claim issue, still broken. The ToI stuff. Sure, there's been minor things, but nothing major fixed that's been around for years.
If you've come to the forums to complain about the AFK system, it's known to be bugged at the moment.
Not really. I mean they've tried the tray reset issue a couple of times, still broken for some. Ship claim issue, still broken. The ToI stuff. Sure, there's been minor things, but nothing major fixed that's been around for years.
So you're cherry picking one example of a bug not being fixed as proof that they're not fixing bugs?
While I'll give them credit for "STO is growing", healthy is a COMPLETELY different matter!
Bugs, broken systems, endless grind to player dissatisfaction... Hardly signs of a healthy MMO.
Halo in its hayday had the exact same types of gripes as we do now. That's not to say "Boo-ya, we're a cultrual phenomenom!" but just to point out the ubiquity of dissatisfied people on FORUMS.
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So you're cherry picking one example of a bug not being fixed as proof that they're not fixing bugs?
Look at the patch notes since Delta Rising.
Are you kidding he could not post about the other 500 bugs there is a limit of signs per post I am sure you will get soon a medal since you are the #1 White Knight.
Are you kidding he could not post about the other 500 bugs there is a limit of signs per post I am sure you will get soon a medal since you are the #1 White Knight.
And he could also cite even more bug fixes. Here's the thing about examples and numbers: you need to put them in context. Are there bugs in STO? Yah but there's a hell of a lot of improvements to boot (more than any other game I'm following ATM, and this is by far one of the lowest key.)
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Personally, I'm generally dismissive of the majority of the player dissatisfaction. If you read it and start to worry about the survival of the species, then it's likely that it's a player issue and not a Cryptic issue...and we should be worried about the survival of the species.
That being said, though, there is still an extreme amount of dissatisfaction being expressed that wouldn't fall into that category above - and - wowzers, right, the sheer amount of broken stuff and bugs definitely feels like it's reached a new high - er, low - you know what I mean.
So yeah...healthy...wouldn't be the word that comes to mind when thinking about STO. Could spend a weekend thinking about nothing but STO...and...the word healthy would never come up.
The only possible thing I could think of where they might say it is healthy is that despite all the complaints, despite all the broken TRIBBLE and bugs, there are folks out there pumping all sorts of mad money into the game to give it the appearance that it's healthy despite it being a candidate for euthanasia. That it's healthy from some financial aspect...that simply doesn't reflect the forums nor anybody concerned with having a working game.
But healthy, from my point of view? LMFAO...just saying.
Are you kidding he could not post about the other 500 bugs there is a limit of signs per post I am sure you will get soon a medal since you are the #1 White Knight.
This, original quote and post in full.
Disingenous by the game guy to say game is healthy. Certainly from a technical point of view over say financials.
What did you expect from an official statement for the past year ? The game's population is shrinking, a good part of the playerbase is unhappy, and the queues are dead ?
No, everything is awesome !
Sto, to boldly go where no cash grab have gone before !
Please do list these 500 bugs you think are so important that they should be fixed immediately. Just to be nice I'll start the list for you:
1: tray reset bug.
So, what else is there that you consider to be so important that it must be fixed today?
Sorry, who are you?
Bridgern made the original post. You should be speaking with him on this. I think however he means there is lots of things and issues to fix. Thanks for trying though.
Bridgern made the original post. You should be speaking with him on this. I think however he means there is lots of things and issues to fix. Thanks for trying though.
So you can't answer him? No, it doesn't matter who made the original post, you've been defending that position as well. You're just making an excuse.
While I don't hate Cryptic for their behavior over the last year, they haven't exactly earned my appreciation either.
Player satisfaction is a tough metric for a bunch of users to pin down, because everyone has their own points of acceptance and aggravation.
What is easy to point out and say "not good" about are the bugs and failures of the game from a functional stand point. Bugs in game play (skill tray dumping), in-game functionality issues (tides of ice, ship unlocks), game client stability (all this recent game crashing), and server stability (which has been allegedly getting extra attention of late) to just name a few. There are many, many more. And there are bugs and glitches that have been around for a very, very long time.
Now go look in the bug reporting forums, and then note how few have any sort of official responses. Even to include a "hey, thanks for pointing that out, we're looking into it" or just a "thanks for taking the time to bring this to our attention."
So while I can't say anything with regards to STO's growth, its health (functionally) is nothing to brag about. In fact, its something to be greatly concerned about. Because if all these new players can't physically play your game, how are they supposed to shoot wads of cash all in your face?
So you can't answer him? No, it doesn't matter who made the original post, you've been defending that position as well. You're just making an excuse.
Why should I? I just agreed with it to extent, not actively defending. And yes it does matter on who post at first. Making excuse? Oh you make me lol. I'm not going to get pulled/trolled on this.
I would ask who you are, but Rodentmaster seems to say right things.
What would you want him to post, if you could write it?
I want an honest response. I want him to represent his position clearly and as direct as possible. I want him to seem like he's trying to convince me.
I'm not against anyone here, nor do I hold any conviction to what I say. If I hear an argument that is better grounded in reality than my own, I will change my position.
He doesn't even seem interested in anything other than hostility though, so I'll probably ignore him until he starts acting more mature.
I want an honest response. I want him to represent his position clearly and as direct as possible. I want him to seem like he's trying to convince me.
I'm not against anyone here, nor do I hold any conviction to what I say. If I hear an argument that is better grounded in reality than my own, I will change my position.
He doesn't even seem interested in anything other than hostility though, so I'll probably ignore him until he starts acting more mature.
I'm a long time watcher of the forums. And it annoys me when what could be potential threads get derailed.
I don't know anyone in this thread to any great degree from in game or other posts. But through reading all of this, you've been the aggressor here. And by your last sentence, you've exemplified typical trolling behaviour.
The guy doesn't need to prove/say/confirm anything. He agreed with a point, if you think it is wrong, take it up with the author. Although he did say there was obviously a number of things wrong that need addressed.
Perhaps you've just had a bad day, but give it a rest dude. You are really not helping yourself here.
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I'd miss it if it were gone... Though my wife probably wouldn't...
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Not really. I mean they've tried the tray reset issue a couple of times, still broken for some. Ship claim issue, still broken. The ToI stuff. Sure, there's been minor things, but nothing major fixed that's been around for years.
Look at the patch notes since Delta Rising.
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Halo in its hayday had the exact same types of gripes as we do now. That's not to say "Boo-ya, we're a cultrual phenomenom!" but just to point out the ubiquity of dissatisfied people on FORUMS.
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Are you kidding he could not post about the other 500 bugs there is a limit of signs per post I am sure you will get soon a medal since you are the #1 White Knight.
And he could also cite even more bug fixes. Here's the thing about examples and numbers: you need to put them in context. Are there bugs in STO? Yah but there's a hell of a lot of improvements to boot (more than any other game I'm following ATM, and this is by far one of the lowest key.)
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That being said, though, there is still an extreme amount of dissatisfaction being expressed that wouldn't fall into that category above - and - wowzers, right, the sheer amount of broken stuff and bugs definitely feels like it's reached a new high - er, low - you know what I mean.
So yeah...healthy...wouldn't be the word that comes to mind when thinking about STO. Could spend a weekend thinking about nothing but STO...and...the word healthy would never come up.
The only possible thing I could think of where they might say it is healthy is that despite all the complaints, despite all the broken TRIBBLE and bugs, there are folks out there pumping all sorts of mad money into the game to give it the appearance that it's healthy despite it being a candidate for euthanasia. That it's healthy from some financial aspect...that simply doesn't reflect the forums nor anybody concerned with having a working game.
But healthy, from my point of view? LMFAO...just saying.
Your post makes no sense. If you actually READ it, you'll see I quoted three examples. :rolleyes:
And I do read the patch notes. Hence my post.
Edit: The examples I picked were intentional as they are recent in people's mind. I could quote fixes and bugs, but I'd be hear all day.
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But, Riccardo ... everything is awesome !
No, no it doesn't.
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This, original quote and post in full.
Disingenous by the game guy to say game is healthy. Certainly from a technical point of view over say financials.
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Don't you want to see it around so you can keep playing Star Trek also..
Ummmm ok. Sorry mister, but not going that way. Thanks for, interest though.
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Nothing but Cardassian lies!!
Right on. Why create more fun content that's creative and engaging when you can just play a numbers game like a treadmill.
1: tray reset bug.
So, what else is there that you consider to be so important that it must be fixed today?
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Made me LOL.
Sorry, who are you?
Bridgern made the original post. You should be speaking with him on this. I think however he means there is lots of things and issues to fix. Thanks for trying though.
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What would you want him to post, if you could write it?
Player satisfaction is a tough metric for a bunch of users to pin down, because everyone has their own points of acceptance and aggravation.
What is easy to point out and say "not good" about are the bugs and failures of the game from a functional stand point. Bugs in game play (skill tray dumping), in-game functionality issues (tides of ice, ship unlocks), game client stability (all this recent game crashing), and server stability (which has been allegedly getting extra attention of late) to just name a few. There are many, many more. And there are bugs and glitches that have been around for a very, very long time.
Now go look in the bug reporting forums, and then note how few have any sort of official responses. Even to include a "hey, thanks for pointing that out, we're looking into it" or just a "thanks for taking the time to bring this to our attention."
So while I can't say anything with regards to STO's growth, its health (functionally) is nothing to brag about. In fact, its something to be greatly concerned about. Because if all these new players can't physically play your game, how are they supposed to shoot wads of cash all in your face?
Why should I? I just agreed with it to extent, not actively defending. And yes it does matter on who post at first. Making excuse? Oh you make me lol. I'm not going to get pulled/trolled on this.
I would ask who you are, but Rodentmaster seems to say right things.
I'm not against anyone here, nor do I hold any conviction to what I say. If I hear an argument that is better grounded in reality than my own, I will change my position.
He doesn't even seem interested in anything other than hostility though, so I'll probably ignore him until he starts acting more mature.
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2014 was a nightmare
2015 will be a hell
And I think 2016 will be nought
I'm a long time watcher of the forums. And it annoys me when what could be potential threads get derailed.
I don't know anyone in this thread to any great degree from in game or other posts. But through reading all of this, you've been the aggressor here. And by your last sentence, you've exemplified typical trolling behaviour.
The guy doesn't need to prove/say/confirm anything. He agreed with a point, if you think it is wrong, take it up with the author. Although he did say there was obviously a number of things wrong that need addressed.
Perhaps you've just had a bad day, but give it a rest dude. You are really not helping yourself here.