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So revamping old ships to T6 now? so do we get..
kelshando
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Well now that they are revamping old ships to T6... do we get a T6 Garumba?
After all they said months ago that a fleet Garumba was coming.. and we got nada. So if we do not get a fleet version can we get a T6 version.
Here are some changes.. remove the 35% speed reduction in siege mode.. it already has a down side with the flip animation and no dps while its doing it.
Alows 2 fire modes.. single target and aoe to be in line with the spinal lance of the galaxy dred.
Give it a rear firing disruptor turret.. instead of a hanger bay. You know to spice up after never getting a fleet version of it.
.... come one give us the KDF something other then battle crusiers.. there are other races in the KDF... oh and a dedicated sci ship to the kdf... that is all.
After all they said months ago that a fleet Garumba was coming.. and we got nada. So if we do not get a fleet version can we get a T6 version.
Here are some changes.. remove the 35% speed reduction in siege mode.. it already has a down side with the flip animation and no dps while its doing it.
Alows 2 fire modes.. single target and aoe to be in line with the spinal lance of the galaxy dred.
Give it a rear firing disruptor turret.. instead of a hanger bay. You know to spice up after never getting a fleet version of it.
.... come one give us the KDF something other then battle crusiers.. there are other races in the KDF... oh and a dedicated sci ship to the kdf... that is all.
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ya ya.. but they said there would be a fleet garumba.. and then back out of it.. I want my fleet guramba or a t6 version of it dang it!!
What?! You want them to spend the vast resources needed to upgrade a ship to a fleet version? Madness!
Vast resources.. ya im sure.. changing a few lines of text is hard.. its not like they have to remodel the darn thing lol
To be fair... It's more than a few lines of text...
The whole thing (apart from model and textures) need to be duplicated and adjusted, not only for the Initial T5.75 stage, but the whole process from 50 to 60, the Skills/specialization thing, new mulitpliers....
Making new ships is relatively hard... Take it from a former BC modder... Re-making a ship is not an easy task.
there not remaking it.. there is no 3d work needed. Most of the stuff your talking about are math multipliers. They are already there for T-5u version of it. You are not needing to change the skin or anything to make it fleet t-5u unless they add the fleet skin.. not that most of us care about that.
Now a T6 conversion would be more work do to them most likely changing the way the ship would look to justify buying a T6...
but for a T5 ship to go to T-5u to fleet T-5u is not really that hard.
Modeling a ship is really the easy part....
And no... It's not just altering a few multipliers... It's ALOT of mulitpliers...
The most basic ship I helped create for BC (A sov class variant) required almost 50 individual hardpoints and their variables.
For a T6 ship that has the ability to level with it's player, it's a heck of alot more complicated, and thats just for starters.
Theres also making sure it has at least some trace of balance.
I am not saying you should not get your goat-ship... I am just saying that you should not pretend that it's easier than it is... It's not just adding a file and slamming some new numbers into it.
I don't really expect Galaxy T6 and Defiant T6, sice we have thephantom and what exactly would the guardian be for if the Galaxy fills the same role?
/faceplam
They already did it.. there are set numbers for each tier.. it already has leveling numbers for T-5u.. were not talking about a non leveling ship. That work is already done its just a mater of changing it to fleet t-5u numbers.. yes it not that hard.. the bulk of the work has already been done.
It's a hell of a lot more easy then redoing a ship from scratch.
And yet you, as the only one, keep talking about redoing ships from scratch...
I am done here... I really hope they won't do it... You really don't deserve it.
Talk about putting your head the sand....
You inability to understand that the ship has already been upgraded to level up with the player is astounding.
This isnt like taking a Miranda and upgrading it to T5 levels. It's already T-5u upgraded ship.... meaning its already set up to level with the player.
When DR released, I knew that there were 2 possible roads Cryptic was going to do:
1. Pay for upgrading old T5/T5U ships to T6 status when they were ready, at a discount.
2. Resell the same old ships at T6 at full, new prices, no discounts.
I was hoping for 1, but realistically, I knew 2 was likely to happen. The precedent had been set already long before. For example:
Before DR, buying the lower Tier 4 C-Store Intrepid did not make the T5 nor Fleet Intrepid cheaper.
With that track record found in other cross-tier ship releases in the past, I knew Option 2 was the likelier event to occur. Even before DR, as you climbed up the Tiers, your lower Tiered ships no longer had value. The same is going to happen to such heavy degree with the rest of T5/T5U.
I could have said the same thing about the Intrepid, since the Dauntless was released...
I hope they do a T6 Defiant, with integrated cloak & Dual Quantum Torpedo launchers.
Remember who we're dealing with here.
Changing a few lines of text usually leads to things like..
Exchange bugs
Powertray wipes
Vaudwaar ships with random HP levels
Need I go on.
-Star Cruiser (Sentinel)
-Deep Space Science Vessel (Trident)
-Recon Science Vessel (Luna)
-Negh'Var
-Hegh'ta
-Guramba
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Well they tried to do both.. Fleet T-5u have better stats then T6 but less trait and intel skills with the future of fleet T6.
The issue now is why should you buy a upgrade to a T-5u or Fleet T-5u if there going to redo older ships anyhow.
Sure its great that the T4 console works with the T-6 but that's a hefty price for a console if you do not already own it.
another issue that will need to be addressed is the fleet T6 ships.. will they req you own the C-store or will you be able to get through fleet mods. If you can through fleet mods I'm sure the cost is going to go up maybe need 5 or 6 mods per T6 instead of 4 per as of now.
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T6 Intrepid - Iconic Starship, features in DR
Quite Likely:
T6 Odyssey - Flagship + Good Bulk Cruiser
T6 Bortas - Flagship
T6 Scimitar - Flagship + High Seller
T6 Vesta - High Seller
50/50 Chance:
T6 Galaxy
T6 Nebula
T6 Defiant
T6 Vor'cha
T6 Negh'var
T6 Bird of Prey
T6 Mogai
T6 Deridex
My predictions...
Desires (excluding some desires already posted):
T6 Assault Cruiser
T6 Star Cruiser
For the highlighted portion, there isn't a big need anymore to go T5U other than to fly what you currently have on the cheap at T5U compared to a full fledged T6 ship or the DR Pack. The need for T5U will lessen as we see more of the T6 ships, most esp when they come with classic Star Trek ship models like a Galaxy, Sovereign, B'Rel, etc.
As for Fleet T6 requirements, I just look to STO's past.
- To own a Fleet T6 Ship, you don't HAVE to have the C-Store version.
- The C-Store T6 version will do the standard discount for the Fleet T6 version.
- Fleet ships still will not come with a special console.
I'm expecting Cryptic to uphold that tradition. How many FSMs it's going to be? Not sure.
If it's so easy, go to Cryptic and implement it yourself.
These guys have limited resources. Why waste time on a single ship that has little usage in the community when they can revamp the ships that the majority of the community care about? Ships that large amounts of people will actually pay money for?
Don't even get me started on the bugs. I would rather they spend time fixing these damn bugs before they implement a fleet Gurumba.
Grow up.....
if all they did was "fix bugs" we there would never be new content..
I think that's the point... the whole selling point on T-5u/fleet T-5u was that they were looking to the future and that the older ships would be viable.
If they are rereleasing older ships to newer T6 ships its really a waste of money to the people that own the T-5u's of those older ships.
I do think that fleet T6 if you can buy them with out owning the c-store are going to up in costs. this is inline with the c-store T6 being 500 zen more then tier 5 ships. I wouldn't be shocked if they go to 5 fleet mods per ship up from 4.
Hey, I not the one being inexplicably rude to other forum members for simply having a different opinion...
If they didn't fix bugs, then the game would become unplayable, lose its community and die. None of us want that and is far more important than revamping old ships. Sure once the game is stable and our Mac brothers can once again actually PLAY the game, then by all means, work on the revamps.
Even then, I would rather they create new content like the Mat'Ha raptor and more battlezones.
... the worst part though : the new Interior seems to be locked to 2 of those "Packs" which will probably cost 5000 Zen upwards ... no new Interior for the T4 or T5(U) Versions or even the "basic" T6 Version ...
Boils down to : New Interior for 50+ bucks ... no thanks ... Cryptic, you're drunk ... go home ...
You mean just like what's been happening lately and for the most part of the last 4+ years?
To be frank, yes
But things are getting better, at least they are communicating now
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1300231
It's the one where everyone is mocking the design decisions, the utter lack of KDF or Rom T6 Science Vessels (and T6 ships in general), the decision to announce this now after folks have upgraded their Long Range Science Vessels to T5-U, the lack of a hangar when there are already Delta Flyer Hangar Pets, it not being included in the Ops Pack despite being right there on the Delta Rising wallpaper, etc.