Please show me on the TV where it was ever stated it was a light Cruiser
The Intrepid class is classified as a light cruiser in the Deep Space Nine Technical Manual which *is* considered canon as it was written by the people who worked on the television shows and used as a guide for writers.
Given that the book was, in part, written by the guy who designed the ship (Rick Sternbach) and that it was used as a reference for writers writing episodes for the shows, I'm inclined to go with that definition and not Cryptic's.
Interesting , this Pathfinder visual is certainly a departure from the standard design, but I like it
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The Intrepid class is classified as a light cruiser in the Deep Space Nine Technical Manual which *is* considered canon as it was written by the people who worked on the television shows and used as a guide for writers.
Given that the book was, in part, written by the guy who designed the ship (Rick Sternbach) and that it was used as a reference for writers writing episodes for the shows, I'm inclined to go with that definition and not Cryptic's.
The Intrepid class is classified as a light cruiser in the Deep Space Nine Technical Manual which *is* considered canon as it was written by the people who worked on the television shows and used as a guide for writers.
Given that the book was, in part, written by the guy who designed the ship (Rick Sternbach) and that it was used as a reference for writers writing episodes for the shows, I'm inclined to go with that definition and not Cryptic's.
I got this feeling in my gut that tells me other ships are bound to get this treatment in the coming future. Will players be compensated with discounts/free (fleet) upgrades?
They... kind of are. Probably not intentionally, and almost certainly not maliciously, but they totally are. So far every secondary deflector ship they've put out has been paid or limited-time. Until I fire up the game and a secondary deflector pops up on my Luna... they're selling secondary deflectors.
Edit, upon further thought I realised the deflector is based closely on the Dauntless if I'm not mistken, which makes a lot more sense to me now since the blueprints of the dauntless will have opened up new options for deflector design techniques
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Edit, upon further thought I realised the deflector is based closely on the Dauntless if I'm not mistken, which makes a lot more sense to me now since the blueprints of the dauntless will have opened up new options for deflector design techniques
Aside from that, Yeah it ticks all the right boxes
The Bellerophon has that style of deflector as well. In some ways it's nice that they're at least carrying over certain ship component styling; I'd much rather have something like this, which looks odd but somewhat unique to Cryptic designs, rather than the impulse engine designs they've been plastering on ship saucer sections recently.
So wait, they have designed a new "Pathfinder" skin for this T6 variant and yet they didn't showcase it in the blog that announces the ship??
Excuse me while I go find a nice wall to bang my head against, since facepalms don't cut it anymore.
Cryptic, WTF is wrong with you?!?
Yeah. I'm a bit befuddled, too. I went back to reread the blog to see how that skin fits in. The blog is titled Intrepid Class Starship. When it should have included at least one of the Pathfinder images and been titled Pathfinder Class Starship. It's not too late to rectify that with some edits tomorrow.
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If you think the capability of a science vessel is based on how many TAC consoles it has, you need to broaden your knowledge of the game. You have no idea how Science abilities work.
Sorry, even the regular T6 ships with 13 BOFF skills is worth way more than 1 Console slot.
You are forgetting that the Fleet Intrepid (T5 or T5U) has 3 tactical consoles. Why should we get a "downgrade" in tactical consoles for something that should be a better ship?
Oh well ... the devs will probably announce T6 fleet variants of all T6 ships 30 days from now with an added tac console. :rolleyes:
By the way, I am fully aware of how to use science abilities. My science toon is currently my MOST DEADLY toon in PVP matches ... but not in some weak ship that has only 2 tac consoles.
My point is that Delta Rising has increased the demand for sustained weapons DPS ... and that requires tac consoles. If you don't believe me, I welcome you to challenge my science toon in my Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer with four tac consoles with your science ship that has only 2 tac consoles ... 1v1 in PVP.
PVE or team PVP doesn't require more than 2 tac consoles, but there is NO WAY you will dominate another "good" player (I'm not talking about a newb PVPer) in a PVP match 1v1 with a ship that rocks only 2 tac consoles.
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They... kind of are. Probably not intentionally, and almost certainly not maliciously, but they totally are. So far every secondary deflector ship they've put out has been paid or limited-time. Until I fire up the game and a secondary deflector pops up on my Luna... they're selling secondary deflectors.
Either they have said it or they have not. There's no "kind of". If you or neoakiraii can't demonstrate by quoting the exact place they've said that, then I have absolutely no reason to believe either of you.
I'm super disappointed in this, but then I'm not shocked. This is a blatent money grab by Cryptic with no concideration for it's players. In other words buisiness as usual.
I grabbed the Intrepid when it first came out paying money for it, then I went and bought the T5 intrepid when it came out... paying cold hard cash for it (since dilithium didn't exist then).
When the fleet Intrepid came out, I bought that as well.. using zen to buy the needed c-store only item to make it happen.
Then when DR came out, I bought an upgrade token... so that's even more money spent.
And now it's all gone. Now I have to spend money on yet ANOTHER Intrepid just to make it T-6, when I already have a T-5U.
What... seriously... I already spent a TRIBBLE ton of money on the Intrepid class, and now you expect me to spend more money on it with zero regard for the fact that I already upgraded my Intrepid to T-5U.
I want my ship upgrade token back... in zen... or cold hard cash. I want my fleet ship token back... in zen... or cold hard cash.
Or I want my fleet ship upgraded imediately to Fleet T-6 status and not T-5u status and the free console given to me.
As I write this I get angrier and angrier. Seriously this is just expected from Cryptic and Gecko. Zero regard for it's player base and zero regard those of us who remained loyal in the face of this pathetic stuff.
And whose idea was it a console and not a Pathfinder only hanger pet.
The Bellerophon has that style of deflector as well. In some ways it's nice that they're at least carrying over certain ship component styling; I'd much rather have something like this, which looks odd but somewhat unique to Cryptic designs, rather than the impulse engine designs they've been plastering on ship saucer sections recently.
Hmm, I never noticed that before, Then I've never looked at it from that angle, good call though it does definitely share a similar shape
From what I understand this ship is the Artists First ship, so hopefully more great stuff to come
(Edit - correction first Federation ship, My mistake )
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Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
Either they have said it or they have not. There's no "kind of". If you or neoakiraii can't demonstrate by quoting the exact place they've said that, then I have absolutely no reason to believe either of you.
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If the only secondary deflectors we can get are being sold through the C-Store, than at present, they are only selling secondary deflectors through the C-Store.
The question isn't whether or not it's happening - it is - it's whether or not it's their intention to only offer them this way. That's what we have no confirmation or denial of.
Fairly new player here of about two months. Until now, I've not been motivated enough to post here on the forums. It boils down to feeling cheated.
Had you told us that the Intrepid would be offered up as a T6 ship, I wouldn't have purchased the upgrade for the Long Range Science Vessel that I also purchased through the c-store. You are selling/reselling me a ship in which I have already invested $32.
The reason I haven't purchased one of the current T6 ships is the if money is involved, then I should be proud to fly the ship. So, figured it would be prudent to wait until you put out something of which to be proud and this is what you've offered. You're asking me to pay $62 for the same hull with abilities that are underwhelming at best.
As it happens, the Ballaphon(sp?) is also in my shipyard, which would allow access to the set bonuses, but I have zero faith those bonuses will be worth it as they are dependant on the AI of the Aeroshuttle to use them effectively. Your track record with pets does not inspire confidence.
Sure, it has the intel station, but those abilities can be entirely ignored, rendering the station underwhelming. Frankly, would rather see a second non-engineer Commander station than all this new intel stuff that I don't have the hotkeys for anyway.
Bottom line is that you have screwed me out of money needlessly spent and it has soured my whole attitude toward your company and the game.
You can choose to make it right or not, but I will not spend $30, $20, or even $10 on this ship. Doing so would mean allowing myself to be swindled by tactics not that far removed from the Snake Oil salesmen of yesteryear.
Holy ****, Cryptic, I know you don't (seem) to have a QA team, but you don't even have an Editor to pre-review your press/blog releases?!
It would have been ALOT easier to understand why you are calling the Intrepid a Pathfinder...because IT'S NOT THE SAME!
P.S. It's still subpar for a T6.
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If the only secondary deflectors we can get are being sold through the C-Store, than at present, they are only selling secondary deflectors through the C-Store.
That doesn't mean that they only want to "sell" us secondary deflector slots. That assumption is absurd.
The question isn't whether or not it's happening - it is - it's whether or not it's their intention to only offer them this way. That's what we have no confirmation or denial of.
...exactly. That's why I called neoakiraii on the assertion. We don't know what their intention is, so it's absurd to assume either way.
If I buy the T6 Pathfinder, will the cool pathfinder skin be unlocked for my fleet intrepid upgraded to t5u to use?
Because THAT ship has three tac consoles..... and I really like the pathfinder skin.
Oh, and secondary deflectors, when are we gonna get em? Now that there's two new science ships that have em. Been using the Solanee one, but would like some choices, so that I may work on enhancing a build.
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The Intrepid class is classified as a light cruiser in the Deep Space Nine Technical Manual which *is* considered canon as it was written by the people who worked on the television shows and used as a guide for writers.
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Given that the book was, in part, written by the guy who designed the ship (Rick Sternbach) and that it was used as a reference for writers writing episodes for the shows, I'm inclined to go with that definition and not Cryptic's.
My opinion as well.
I think it looks fantastic, but I can't support this rebuying retrofits of retrofits nonsense.
I really do think it looks fantastic though.
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Looks a lot closer then the Intel ships.
They... kind of are. Probably not intentionally, and almost certainly not maliciously, but they totally are. So far every secondary deflector ship they've put out has been paid or limited-time. Until I fire up the game and a secondary deflector pops up on my Luna... they're selling secondary deflectors.
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True, but the deflector is just Odd
Edit, upon further thought I realised the deflector is based closely on the Dauntless if I'm not mistken, which makes a lot more sense to me now since the blueprints of the dauntless will have opened up new options for deflector design techniques
The Bellerophon has that style of deflector as well. In some ways it's nice that they're at least carrying over certain ship component styling; I'd much rather have something like this, which looks odd but somewhat unique to Cryptic designs, rather than the impulse engine designs they've been plastering on ship saucer sections recently.
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Yeah. I'm a bit befuddled, too. I went back to reread the blog to see how that skin fits in. The blog is titled Intrepid Class Starship. When it should have included at least one of the Pathfinder images and been titled Pathfinder Class Starship. It's not too late to rectify that with some edits tomorrow.
You are forgetting that the Fleet Intrepid (T5 or T5U) has 3 tactical consoles. Why should we get a "downgrade" in tactical consoles for something that should be a better ship?
Oh well ... the devs will probably announce T6 fleet variants of all T6 ships 30 days from now with an added tac console. :rolleyes:
By the way, I am fully aware of how to use science abilities. My science toon is currently my MOST DEADLY toon in PVP matches ... but not in some weak ship that has only 2 tac consoles.
My point is that Delta Rising has increased the demand for sustained weapons DPS ... and that requires tac consoles. If you don't believe me, I welcome you to challenge my science toon in my Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer with four tac consoles with your science ship that has only 2 tac consoles ... 1v1 in PVP.
PVE or team PVP doesn't require more than 2 tac consoles, but there is NO WAY you will dominate another "good" player (I'm not talking about a newb PVPer) in a PVP match 1v1 with a ship that rocks only 2 tac consoles.
Don't believe the lies in this forum. I am NOT an ARC user. I play STO on Steam or not at all.
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I grabbed the Intrepid when it first came out paying money for it, then I went and bought the T5 intrepid when it came out... paying cold hard cash for it (since dilithium didn't exist then).
When the fleet Intrepid came out, I bought that as well.. using zen to buy the needed c-store only item to make it happen.
Then when DR came out, I bought an upgrade token... so that's even more money spent.
And now it's all gone. Now I have to spend money on yet ANOTHER Intrepid just to make it T-6, when I already have a T-5U.
What... seriously... I already spent a TRIBBLE ton of money on the Intrepid class, and now you expect me to spend more money on it with zero regard for the fact that I already upgraded my Intrepid to T-5U.
I want my ship upgrade token back... in zen... or cold hard cash. I want my fleet ship token back... in zen... or cold hard cash.
Or I want my fleet ship upgraded imediately to Fleet T-6 status and not T-5u status and the free console given to me.
As I write this I get angrier and angrier. Seriously this is just expected from Cryptic and Gecko. Zero regard for it's player base and zero regard those of us who remained loyal in the face of this pathetic stuff.
And whose idea was it a console and not a Pathfinder only hanger pet.
Hmm, I never noticed that before, Then I've never looked at it from that angle, good call though it does definitely share a similar shape
From what I understand this ship is the Artists First ship, so hopefully more great stuff to come
(Edit - correction first Federation ship, My mistake )
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If the only secondary deflectors we can get are being sold through the C-Store, than at present, they are only selling secondary deflectors through the C-Store.
The question isn't whether or not it's happening - it is - it's whether or not it's their intention to only offer them this way. That's what we have no confirmation or denial of.
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Had you told us that the Intrepid would be offered up as a T6 ship, I wouldn't have purchased the upgrade for the Long Range Science Vessel that I also purchased through the c-store. You are selling/reselling me a ship in which I have already invested $32.
The reason I haven't purchased one of the current T6 ships is the if money is involved, then I should be proud to fly the ship. So, figured it would be prudent to wait until you put out something of which to be proud and this is what you've offered. You're asking me to pay $62 for the same hull with abilities that are underwhelming at best.
As it happens, the Ballaphon(sp?) is also in my shipyard, which would allow access to the set bonuses, but I have zero faith those bonuses will be worth it as they are dependant on the AI of the Aeroshuttle to use them effectively. Your track record with pets does not inspire confidence.
Sure, it has the intel station, but those abilities can be entirely ignored, rendering the station underwhelming. Frankly, would rather see a second non-engineer Commander station than all this new intel stuff that I don't have the hotkeys for anyway.
Bottom line is that you have screwed me out of money needlessly spent and it has soured my whole attitude toward your company and the game.
You can choose to make it right or not, but I will not spend $30, $20, or even $10 on this ship. Doing so would mean allowing myself to be swindled by tactics not that far removed from the Snake Oil salesmen of yesteryear.
Holy ****, Cryptic, I know you don't (seem) to have a QA team, but you don't even have an Editor to pre-review your press/blog releases?!
It would have been ALOT easier to understand why you are calling the Intrepid a Pathfinder...because IT'S NOT THE SAME!
P.S. It's still subpar for a T6.
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That doesn't mean that they only want to "sell" us secondary deflector slots. That assumption is absurd.
...exactly. That's why I called neoakiraii on the assertion. We don't know what their intention is, so it's absurd to assume either way.
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If I buy the T6 Pathfinder, will the cool pathfinder skin be unlocked for my fleet intrepid upgraded to t5u to use?
Because THAT ship has three tac consoles..... and I really like the pathfinder skin.
Oh, and secondary deflectors, when are we gonna get em? Now that there's two new science ships that have em. Been using the Solanee one, but would like some choices, so that I may work on enhancing a build.