Well, seeing how so many people like to down the Gal-x, there is your lemon, now build me a 30k-50k monster out of it plz!
Because you apparently cannot build a high dps ship with standard gear, that does not mean others also cannot. Unless you are the one guy knowing all about the game mechanicts etc perfectly (but in that case you would not have written what you wrote). Sure with paying money you can get faster at the extreme High DPS level, takes less grinding then, or buy specific ships. But thats because Cryptic monetizes the game.
I think you mean the gal-r not x, the x is kind of respectable actually.
I believe sarcasmdetector built a 20k gal-r pre-dr, so maybe 30k is not too far fetched. You may want to change your range to 50k-70k to make your point.
I goofed on the ship selected, sue me lol! (being sarcastic, by just picking something off the top of my head)
Maybe I should have said a 30k hegh'ta heavy bird of prey!
Because you apparently cannot build a high dps ship with standard gear, that does not mean others also cannot. Unless you are the one guy knowing all about the game mechanicts etc perfectly (but in that case you would not have written what you wrote). Sure with paying money you can get faster at the extreme High DPS level, takes less grinding then, or buy specific ships. But thats because Cryptic monetizes the game.
And, I along with many people, do not give a TRIBBLE about building a dps monster!
I can build one, heck I can even perfectly understand the game mechanics but, do I really give a TRIBBLE? NO
I don't want nor, do I need advise from dps channels nor, do I even care that they exist and, guess what? I am not alone!
ryansto your are full of bs if you claim you maxxed out all your specialization points in DQ patrols. I dont care how much dps you pve heroes do. Why dont you be honest with yourself and the community about how you used your high dps to farm TD patrols 17 times faster then the average player.That is how you got maxxed spec points not by using your uber dps in the DQ patrols.There are alot of above average players that farmed TD patrols for days and never got max spec points. So if you claim to have done it in DQ patrols I call BULL ****. Do the math you wouldnt have enough time in the day at the xp that DQ patrols give to reach max spec in that short of a time. I saw 1 of your pve hero buddies bragging in opvp that he had 3 toons almost max. That for sure was done in TD patrols not DQ patrols . So quit your crying you used an exploit got caught they rolled you back partially not even all the way get over it already. If your uber dps is that much of an advantage then it should be no prob to get those points back. If you want to claim you did it in DQ only prove it provide some math on xp you got in DQ patrols and time you spent to get max and i might believe you but until then go pet a panda.
Do you even know how much xp was given per ship in argala prexpnerf? Well over 1k for cruisers and above. Even now, solo with just a 25k dps ship, you can do argala in less than 15 minutes, but the xp is much less, but it wasn't listed as an exploit, after all its in DQ. Some of the ships solo in argala before the nerf, gave 1300 xp apiece or just under, the lowest cruisers were just under 1k, I believe it was 993. Now its more like 1/3 of that. So, i guess Argala was an exploit as well, or better yet, since I am comparing it to solo, I guess just playing elite on a patrol mission was an exploit. Now, I have no clue, what certain people did or did not do, but I can tell you this, I played some TD patrols, and frankly after a few missions, it became rather mediocre unless you constantly found a low level player. On the other hand, argala, that was rather nice, since you were getting that kind of xp even with a higher level toon. First time i ran Argala was when I was 57, and from that point, I tried to find groups to run there, but the rage was TD, and I didn't care for it, lots of very quick runs that might end being the same xp time wise as Argala. So, before you jump up making such a bold statement, might want to consider, just because you could not do something, doesn't mean it couldn't be done, after all running Argala in a group did take longer but xp per run was probably close to the same, maybe a little better or maybe a little worse depending mainly on the dps of the group overall. This based upon someone who did Argala solo and in a group and actually preferred it.
By the way, an exploit, this is for you and Cryptic, is finding a bug in the code that gives an unintended advantage as a result, and then using that bug after having found it, (exploiting a bug). By using the matching system, and ending up with a result with nothing to compare it to, there is no way to actually know if it was beyond intent or not. After all, the matching system, and the xp had nothing for a comparison. How many years has it been since 50 was the max level. When was the last content that would give you levels in anything? How fast can you level a character to max level prior to DR release. I bet when you find out the answers to that, you would not find it unbelievable to level quickly beyond that point when its new release just based upon the game play prior to that release. If there is any failure here, its Cryptic's in failing to properly QA DR before release.
No, matter how they want to spin, or a player wants to spin it, bugs are the responsibilitiy of the provider. QA is around to find problems before its release to the public. Testers of DR from Tribble have claimed to report faster xp gains prior to release. Frankly, this is not the first time that the Cryptic team has taken something away from a lack of forsite. Think back on the change to rep system, because of power creep if they kept putting out new content....well guess what that's a pretty easy thing to know is going to happen, if you keep giving abilities to people they will stack up, but Cryptic's answer to that was well we didn't think it was a big of a deal so we need to do something about it now. Sorry for having to take stuff you earned away from you, but we did not know that if we kept giving you abilities it would make you more powerful......
Fact, prior to DR release, leveling a character to max level could be accomplished over a weekend, if the person was dedicated to doing just that. Fact, even without that type of dedication, if you took a week to level to max, it was more than doable without being extreme, IMO. That being the case, why should any player think that leveling was going to be so much more difficult from already released content. Why would the player base feel that gaining the level was going to be yet another grind on the same level as the rep system? So, when it was released and gaining levels was fairly easy, it was inline with the rest of the game as far as gaining levels on a character, therefore since it is inline, no one would think that anything that they were doing was an exploit, cheating, abnormal. Especially when the only actions taken were done using what was available to be used all along, as it was intended to be used. Matching levels in the party up or down was there to be used, if they didnt want players to match, then it should not have been put in the game in the first place, and furthermore if you only wanted matching in one direction, that is very easy to do, and is usually what is done in most games. Basically, IMO, Cryptic dropped the ball, and made a bad decision on the rolling back of points.
So, for your accusation of people exploiting, well Cryptic called it an exploit, but really how did someone exploit? They used the what was there provided by Crytpic to do what was intended by Cryptic to be done. They leveled quickly, just like previous content it was possible to do, and there was nothing else to compare it to as indicator that it might not be intentional. Yet not only did the 'exploit' get fixed, but the entire xp gaining system was nerfed, which implies if there was truly an exploit, then everyone was exploiting, otherwise its just Cryptic giving out a spurious reason on why they want to do an action that is unfavorable to the general populace.....so fanboi, please explain if nothing else why solo xp was nerfed????? Please say it wasn't, because then I call you a liar, it was nerfed down to less than 1/3....so exploiting fanboi, why did your xp gain get nerfed?? Because you were exploiting with EVERY other player in the game....oh wait...it cannot be called an exploit if everyone was doing it, so you need to select out a few point and make an example....who to chose...oooo I know, the ones who earned the most, and we roll back everyone who earned more than 10, and we can say its an exploit and nerf the entire xp system gain...people wont like it but they will blame the exploiters, we can explain some reason.......................
Whatever, its a grind, Cryptic dropped the ball, and we will either play or we will not play....I will continue to play, maybe I just wont spend anymore of my money on cryptic, mabye I will but right now....bleh, I am a little pissy with Cryptic, or as they are called very often in the game, Craptic...oh as a parting shot....you changed the rep system abilities because of power creep, and needed to keep it in check, and now you added a bunch of abilities back ontop as well as more trait slots.....ROFL...guess you got a handle on the creep so you can afford to add in all the extra stuff...
Find me in game I will help you set it up properly. It really is as easy as putting the file into a directory and then pathing to your combatlog. It seems intimidating at first, but it really, really isn't.
Is the combatlog.log generated by the program or something created by the STO.exe?
I love this topic and had no real idea about your group. I seem to have above average dps but never actually had any idea how to parse it, etc. I look forward to seeing how I can improve my abilities. I am running one fleet defiant T5U with a few fleet MKXII gear. No actual item upgrades as I find the system too grindy and costly for me at present. I have 7 characters, half of them fly the tactical style Vesta (since using the T5U upgrade on it didn't unlock the others).
I goofed on the ship selected, sue me lol! (being sarcastic, by just picking something off the top of my head)
Maybe I should have said a 30k hegh'ta heavy bird of prey!
And, I along with many people, do not give a TRIBBLE about building a dps monster!
I can build one, heck I can even perfectly understand the game mechanics but, do I really give a TRIBBLE? NO
I don't want nor, do I need advise from dps channels nor, do I even care that they exist and, guess what? I am not alone!
If you understand the game mechanics so perfectly why are you asking someone else to build you a DPS ship then?
You are full of contradictions.
But if your standpoint is you don't care about DPS, what is then the purpose of all the comments you make in this topic? Live and let live, every one it's own play style, I would advise. No one should dictate someone else how to play. And when teaming up people mostly together agree how to play.
Is the combatlog.log generated by the program or something created by the STO.exe?
I love this topic and had no real idea about your group. I seem to have above average dps but never actually had any idea how to parse it, etc. I look forward to seeing how I can improve my abilities. I am running one fleet defiant T5U with a few fleet MKXII gear. No actual item upgrades as I find the system too grindy and costly for me at present. I have 7 characters, half of them fly the tactical style Vesta (since using the T5U upgrade on it didn't unlock the others).
Anyway great post thanks.
To answer your ?, when you first type in game chat /combatlog 1 to initiate, than /combatlog 0 to stop the log, it will create a log file located in your STO game file. (you might have to do some digging to find it but, it will be there)
To answer your ?, when you first type in game chat /combatlog 1 to initiate, than /combatlog 0 to stop the log, it will create a log file located in your STO game file. (you might have to do some digging to find it but, it will be there)
This is the file the parser requires.
I hope this helps some!
To lessen the confusion, the first post was being sarcastic, the second was not!
You call it sarcastic, I see someone twisting his own words.
But if your standpoint is you don't care about DPS, what is then the purpose of all the comments you make in this topic? Live and let live, every one it's own play style, I would advise. No one should dictate someone else how to play. And when teaming up people mostly together agree how to play.
First, read post below yours!
As for contradictions, you must be confused!
I explained I know how the game works perfectly, in fact every aspect of it but, do I care to use them for dps bragging? NO
Do I use it to demolish enemies within mere seconds, so that my mission time is 1/10 of what is available? NO
Do I go around acting like people who do not care or, do not have boat loads of dps are beneath me? NO
If anyone can be considered contradicting, it would be this thread and its supporters!
You call it sarcastic, I see someone twisting his own words.
Believe what you like or, remain clueless I don't care personally!
Sarcasm is sarcasm and, if you cannot tell the difference, than I cannot help you!
I admitted I goofed on my ship choice, after all I just pulled it out of thin air so to speak.
The galaxy retro, is what I was supposed to be referring to I guess, seeing how I don't have nor, use any of those ships anyways. (just not my personal preference of ship, not that I don't like the looks of it or, that other's like using it)
Actually, you've demonstrated countless times that you do not know how the game works, let alone "perfectly".
Hey, no one is 100% perfect so, your point is?
I have yet to see you 100% spot on everything yourself!
The only thing you seem to be pretty consistent on is, brown nosing your friends threads, arguing with poster's who do not agree and, derailing the subject at the same time!
Heck, you are just as guilty at causing damage as anyone else is, to the very threads you are trying to defend!
Anyway (and this is NOT directed at the quoted poster) - the sad fact is, for all the rage against Cryptic flying around - some of this problem is player-made and, whilst they would likely never admit it, the Elitists should add themselves to the reasons that the queues are not as busy as they were. Because honestly? I don't want to join a PuG where I am either told, or made to feel that, I am of no use.
I dont get bothered that much once recently I did because a player thought gravity well crowd control was not needed when it was (it was a low dps group and so the crowd control was the only thing keeping everyone alive while they chipped away at the mob.. however I tend to use reverse psychology and if they critisice i immediately stop using whatever skill it is and watch them all die which gives me a chuckle again I have only had this happen to me once on a science officer who is actually pretty high in dps)
However whenever I see ranting I am very quick with the ignore button. I dont say a word I just slap em on ignore. The person who was convinced that gravity well was not helping was polite so I accomodated him and stopped using it and seconds later everyone was dying pretty much all at once. At which point he said "hrm i guess it was helping" lol so he was not being that bad he just didnt realize.
To be honest though I dont want people who are busy making the play experience miserable with their comments about how this sucks or whatever and complaining. Really just stay out of the q's and do premade groups if your that picky. The bulk of players want to play the game and not have that exprience ruined by people who think more of themselves then the people they are playing with. Its unpleasant and in my case just makes me roll my eyes and hit the ignore button.
To answer your ?, when you first type in game chat /combatlog 1 to initiate, than /combatlog 0 to stop the log, it will create a log file located in your STO game file. (you might have to do some digging to find it but, it will be there)
This is the file the parser requires.
I hope this helps some!
Ah ok.. I kinda figured but am still downloading the patch so couldn't test it. I was digging around in my STO directory and couldn't find anything. Thanks
I dont get bothered that much once recently I did because a player thought gravity well crowd control was not needed when it was (it was a low dps group and so the crowd control was the only thing keeping everyone alive while they chipped away at the mob.. however I tend to use reverse psychology and if they critisice i immediately stop using whatever skill it is and watch them all die which gives me a chuckle again I have only had this happen to me once on a science officer who is actually pretty high in dps)
However whenever I see ranting I am very quick with the ignore button. I dont say a word I just slap em on ignore. The person who was convinced that gravity well was not helping was polite so I accomodated him and stopped using it and seconds later everyone was dying pretty much all at once. At which point he said "hrm i guess it was helping" lol so he was not being that bad he just didnt realize.
To be honest though I dont want people who are busy making the play experience miserable with their comments about how this sucks or whatever and complaining. Really just stay out of the q's and do premade groups if your that picky. The bulk of players want to play the game and not have that exprience ruined by people who think more of themselves then the people they are playing with. Its unpleasant and in my case just makes me roll my eyes and hit the ignore button.
Lol, you wouldn't get any complaint out of me for using GW.
However, you would get a complaint out of me for, using TBR to knock enemies out of a GW!
I have seen this kind of work done often enough, I get that TBR is useful for many things but, it isn't so useful when you.
1: Keep pushing the enemies out of range of your teams fire
2: Push them out of any type of CC already doing its job effectively
3: Pushing them closer, to the very object you are trying to protect or, keep them from reaching in the first place
Ah ok.. I kinda figured but am still downloading the patch so couldn't test it. I was digging around in my STO directory and couldn't find anything. Thanks
Be sure when you activate the log with /combatlog 1, to give it a few mins roughly to gather some data, than you can stop it with /combatlog 0.
The file should than make itself available in the game client files, like I said might have to dig for it.
example for mine is: C:program files folder, than perfect world entertainment folder, than star trek online_en folder, than startek online folder, than live folder, than logs folder, than game client folder, than combatlog.log text document. Whewww :rolleyes: heck even got a file for saved combatlogs, good grief.
Of course it helps, when you know the exact path to use.
C:\Program Files\Perfect World Entertainment\Star Trek Online_en\Star Trek Online\Live\logs\GameClient\Combatlog.Log
Lol, you wouldn't get any complaint out of me for using GW.
However, you would get a complaint out of me for, using TBR to knock enemies out of a GW!
I have seen this kind of work done often enough, I get that TBR is useful for many things but, it isn't so useful when you.
1: Keep pushing the enemies out of range of your teams fire
2: Push them out of any type of CC already doing its job effectively
3: Pushing them closer, to the very object you are trying to protect or, keep them from reaching in the first place
TBR is perfect for pushing ships back into GW I use it often while circling a GW with it. Kills fast.
I have yet to see you 100% spot on everything yourself!
The only thing you seem to be pretty consistent on is, brown nosing your friends threads, arguing with poster's who do not agree and, derailing the subject at the same time!
Heck, you are just as guilty at causing damage as anyone else is, to the very threads you are trying to defend!
Guess your friend's should appreciate that huh?
According to your own faith at least one person was, and you are supposed to emulate him as part of walking out that faith.
And when I'm wrong, I learn from it. You constantly post debunked TRIBBLE, and when you are proved wrong you just ignore it and carry on going "la la la, not listening".
Brown nosing - nope. I just appreciate and understand what it is these guys do, one Elite videogame player to another - My specialty is racing games, where I am generally top 400 players in the world at my very best*, top 1% on a good day, top 5% on a bad day.
Arguing - coming from someone who has previously admitted to posting in these types of threads to troll.
Damaging - not really. Anyone who wants to care about DPS/DPS channels already does, and the rest are somewhere between uninterested and actively trying to grief DPSers for being good at STO. Except for newbies, and if they want help they will ask, it is the nature of being new.
If they wanted me to stop, they would ask.
* Not bragging - it is a horrible feeling knowing you are so close and yet so far from the best, especially when you hit a mental wall and are unable to improve no matter how many laps you put in...
Believe what you like or, remain clueless I don't care personally!
Sarcasm is sarcasm and, if you cannot tell the difference, than I cannot help you!
I admitted I goofed on my ship choice, after all I just pulled it out of thin air so to speak.
The galaxy retro, is what I was supposed to be referring to I guess, seeing how I don't have nor, use any of those ships anyways. (just not my personal preference of ship, not that I don't like the looks of it or, that other's like using it)
So you spoil forums with sarcasm. Are you proud of that kind of behaviour?
According to your own faith at least one person was, and you are supposed to emulate him as part of walking out that faith.
And when I'm wrong, I learn from it. You constantly post debunked TRIBBLE, and when you are proved wrong you just ignore it and carry on going "la la la, not listening".
Brown nosing - nope. I just appreciate and understand what it is these guys do, one Elite videogame player to another - My specialty is racing games, where I am generally top 400 players in the world at my very best*, top 1% on a good day, top 5% on a bad day.
Arguing - coming from someone who has previously admitted to posting in these types of threads to troll.
Damaging - not really. Anyone who wants to care about DPS/DPS channels already does, and the rest are somewhere between uninterested and actively trying to grief DPSers for being good at STO. Except for newbies, and if they want help they will ask, it is the nature of being new.
If they wanted me to stop, they would ask.
* Not bragging - it is a horrible feeling knowing you are so close and yet so far from the best, especially when you hit a mental wall and are unable to improve no matter how many laps you put in...
Well he wasn't just a person and, he has a damn good reason to walk out as you so put it, because we have humans like you to thank for his demise.
And as for debunked TRIBBLE, I don't see too much of what I say debunked so, not sure where you come off with those statistics!
And again, your derailing your friend's thread are you not?
And, I along with many people, do not give a TRIBBLE about building a dps monster!
I can build one, heck I can even perfectly understand the game mechanics but, do I really give a TRIBBLE? NO
I don't want nor, do I need advise from dps channels nor, do I even care that they exist and, guess what? I am not alone!
I think i responended to that basically in the very first post:
these videos may be used as a guideline, along with our guide videos where we explain how and why these builds work. But they do at no point force you to play anything like this. This is a suggestion and a practical display of how things can (!) be played, but not neccessarily have to be played. Therefore no one needs to feel vilified.
We don't force anyone to play the way we do.
If you decide that what we do is all wrong and against you playstyle thats fine, but please realize that we can not be forced to play with
I am perfectly alright with your opinion. Are you willing to do the same with mine?
If you don't care, then please. Don't.. by all means, don't go out of your way.
I just dont understand why it took us 5 pages to agree that you don't care.
I just wanted to start this whole thing because I am tired of the same posts in all the threads, where the "DPS" phrase is being used. Because we (as in the Admins of the DPS Channels, we dont run personality checks on all the channelmembers like some fleets do ) never insulted someone that they were a bad person for playing differently then what we depict in some of those Videos.
Thanks to cbrjwrr for keeping working on it though.
actually I dont really see how he is super far off-topic.
This whole thread is about talking these kinda things over:
I think i responended to that basically in the very first post:
I am perfectly alright with your opinion. Are you willing to do the same with mine?
If you don't care, then please. Don't.. by all means, don't get out of your way.
I just dont understand why it took us 5 pages to agree that you don't care.
I just wanted to start this whole thing because I am tired of the same posts in all the threads, where the "DPS" phrase is being used. Because we (as in the Admins of the DPS Channels, we dont run personality checks on all the channelmembers like some fleets do ) never insulted someone that they were a bad person for playing differently then what we depict in some of those Videos.
Thanks to cbrjwrr for keeping working on it though.
I have already stated more than once, that it's nice that you all are willing to offer advise, heck even offer up top notch dps builds but, what your friends seem to do, is completely come off as snide snobbish nose thumbers when people don't care about what it is you all have to offer or, do not agree with your views of how the game should be played or, needs be played to be fun and efficient.
Than to see threads pop up, with remarks that seem to come off as putting down those people, and bragging that you all are better than the rest, it is no wonder you get the hate from them.
heck, I got some of them constantly arguing with me, on a regular basis just for putting in my own personal 2cents on these threads so, in retrospect you are only fueling your own hate fires by doing so with myself and other's.
You guy come off, as posting what appears to be a double standard, while also displaying a two sided social interaction with people who post in these threads.
I am sure there are nice people belonging to your bunch and, I am sure there are those who do not need go about bragging they belong to this limited group or, that they far exceed the average player's death dealing in this game but, you also have a few who act virtually the complete opposite and, those are the one's who hurt you all the more.
I play the game to have fun, to make it seem more trek combat to me.
I balance my own builds, so that they try to not completely obliterate things with utter ease, it makes for a challenge I enjoy, just enough dps to be useful but, not so much to be deemed overboard.
If I seem to overboard, than it is either time to dumb it down some more or, back off and let other's have the fun, after all I am not out to ruin someone else's fun if I can help it.
Heck I even ruin my own parses, just so some of what you all deemed the useless category of player's, can get some action, make them feel like they are doing the hard work, give them some satisfaction, heck I might even be dealing with some RP types, that prefer to act like they are actually in a RP scenario, much like in the TV series/movies so, I give them some play space.
Some of the threads/post you guys have put up is good stuff, than you guys have other's that completely kills what good stuff you did do, with harsh comments towards other's play styles/preferences.
Remember there is an old saying "That you can do right for many years but, the one time you do wrong, you will always be remembered for the wrong and, reminded more often of it than for all those years of right."
Amongst the top tier DPSers i am really the oddball of the bunch. Not only do i mainly play with my Fed toon (ie: not a scimitar), i also switch between different ships just for fun.
No one has ever rebuked or demeaned me for how i play... except for Mal, he hit me with about 30k FPS (Fagots per Second). Joking
The worst thing i've ever heard from those a2b FAW scimitards was the backhanded compliment: "You do amazing things with non-optimal ships".
TL DR: no one really cares how or why you play as long as you aren't hurting the team.
Hey sarcasm, can I have some FED builds for ships?
I.e. your Narcine, and if you can, one for a Benthan Assault Cruiser.
I caved and started playing my scimitar again, but I realized I don't find Tokyo Drift in a starship enjoyable.
So far I've only been able to crack 30k in a Fed, any advice?
How ironic that Dps league players are all being lumped together as bad because of a few bad apples such as myself.
Yet when all scrubs get lumped together as bad... the special snowflakes (hypocrites) show up in droves to decry being called a scrub.
It's truly funny. Keep up the hypocrisy though it's quite amusing. I mean, if one elitist can justify labelling all Dps league players as elitist making the entire group look bad...then one scrub can also justify labelling all scrubs as baddies.
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What part of Galaxy Retrofit did you not understand?
And anyway, since I can use google* - first 30k plus Gal-X I saw: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1046021
Complete with variations and parses no less.
* Other search engines are available.
Bad idea, only Roms can break 50k. (and sarcasmdetector's Fed, but only just)
Because you apparently cannot build a high dps ship with standard gear, that does not mean others also cannot. Unless you are the one guy knowing all about the game mechanicts etc perfectly (but in that case you would not have written what you wrote). Sure with paying money you can get faster at the extreme High DPS level, takes less grinding then, or buy specific ships. But thats because Cryptic monetizes the game.
I goofed on the ship selected, sue me lol!
Maybe I should have said a 30k hegh'ta heavy bird of prey!
And, I along with many people, do not give a TRIBBLE about building a dps monster!
I can build one, heck I can even perfectly understand the game mechanics but, do I really give a TRIBBLE? NO
I don't want nor, do I need advise from dps channels nor, do I even care that they exist and, guess what? I am not alone!
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Do you even know how much xp was given per ship in argala prexpnerf? Well over 1k for cruisers and above. Even now, solo with just a 25k dps ship, you can do argala in less than 15 minutes, but the xp is much less, but it wasn't listed as an exploit, after all its in DQ. Some of the ships solo in argala before the nerf, gave 1300 xp apiece or just under, the lowest cruisers were just under 1k, I believe it was 993. Now its more like 1/3 of that. So, i guess Argala was an exploit as well, or better yet, since I am comparing it to solo, I guess just playing elite on a patrol mission was an exploit. Now, I have no clue, what certain people did or did not do, but I can tell you this, I played some TD patrols, and frankly after a few missions, it became rather mediocre unless you constantly found a low level player. On the other hand, argala, that was rather nice, since you were getting that kind of xp even with a higher level toon. First time i ran Argala was when I was 57, and from that point, I tried to find groups to run there, but the rage was TD, and I didn't care for it, lots of very quick runs that might end being the same xp time wise as Argala. So, before you jump up making such a bold statement, might want to consider, just because you could not do something, doesn't mean it couldn't be done, after all running Argala in a group did take longer but xp per run was probably close to the same, maybe a little better or maybe a little worse depending mainly on the dps of the group overall. This based upon someone who did Argala solo and in a group and actually preferred it.
By the way, an exploit, this is for you and Cryptic, is finding a bug in the code that gives an unintended advantage as a result, and then using that bug after having found it, (exploiting a bug). By using the matching system, and ending up with a result with nothing to compare it to, there is no way to actually know if it was beyond intent or not. After all, the matching system, and the xp had nothing for a comparison. How many years has it been since 50 was the max level. When was the last content that would give you levels in anything? How fast can you level a character to max level prior to DR release. I bet when you find out the answers to that, you would not find it unbelievable to level quickly beyond that point when its new release just based upon the game play prior to that release. If there is any failure here, its Cryptic's in failing to properly QA DR before release.
No, matter how they want to spin, or a player wants to spin it, bugs are the responsibilitiy of the provider. QA is around to find problems before its release to the public. Testers of DR from Tribble have claimed to report faster xp gains prior to release. Frankly, this is not the first time that the Cryptic team has taken something away from a lack of forsite. Think back on the change to rep system, because of power creep if they kept putting out new content....well guess what that's a pretty easy thing to know is going to happen, if you keep giving abilities to people they will stack up, but Cryptic's answer to that was well we didn't think it was a big of a deal so we need to do something about it now. Sorry for having to take stuff you earned away from you, but we did not know that if we kept giving you abilities it would make you more powerful......
Fact, prior to DR release, leveling a character to max level could be accomplished over a weekend, if the person was dedicated to doing just that. Fact, even without that type of dedication, if you took a week to level to max, it was more than doable without being extreme, IMO. That being the case, why should any player think that leveling was going to be so much more difficult from already released content. Why would the player base feel that gaining the level was going to be yet another grind on the same level as the rep system? So, when it was released and gaining levels was fairly easy, it was inline with the rest of the game as far as gaining levels on a character, therefore since it is inline, no one would think that anything that they were doing was an exploit, cheating, abnormal. Especially when the only actions taken were done using what was available to be used all along, as it was intended to be used. Matching levels in the party up or down was there to be used, if they didnt want players to match, then it should not have been put in the game in the first place, and furthermore if you only wanted matching in one direction, that is very easy to do, and is usually what is done in most games. Basically, IMO, Cryptic dropped the ball, and made a bad decision on the rolling back of points.
So, for your accusation of people exploiting, well Cryptic called it an exploit, but really how did someone exploit? They used the what was there provided by Crytpic to do what was intended by Cryptic to be done. They leveled quickly, just like previous content it was possible to do, and there was nothing else to compare it to as indicator that it might not be intentional. Yet not only did the 'exploit' get fixed, but the entire xp gaining system was nerfed, which implies if there was truly an exploit, then everyone was exploiting, otherwise its just Cryptic giving out a spurious reason on why they want to do an action that is unfavorable to the general populace.....so fanboi, please explain if nothing else why solo xp was nerfed????? Please say it wasn't, because then I call you a liar, it was nerfed down to less than 1/3....so exploiting fanboi, why did your xp gain get nerfed?? Because you were exploiting with EVERY other player in the game....oh wait...it cannot be called an exploit if everyone was doing it, so you need to select out a few point and make an example....who to chose...oooo I know, the ones who earned the most, and we roll back everyone who earned more than 10, and we can say its an exploit and nerf the entire xp system gain...people wont like it but they will blame the exploiters, we can explain some reason.......................
Whatever, its a grind, Cryptic dropped the ball, and we will either play or we will not play....I will continue to play, maybe I just wont spend anymore of my money on cryptic, mabye I will but right now....bleh, I am a little pissy with Cryptic, or as they are called very often in the game, Craptic...oh as a parting shot....you changed the rep system abilities because of power creep, and needed to keep it in check, and now you added a bunch of abilities back ontop as well as more trait slots.....ROFL...guess you got a handle on the creep so you can afford to add in all the extra stuff...
Is the combatlog.log generated by the program or something created by the STO.exe?
I love this topic and had no real idea about your group. I seem to have above average dps but never actually had any idea how to parse it, etc. I look forward to seeing how I can improve my abilities. I am running one fleet defiant T5U with a few fleet MKXII gear. No actual item upgrades as I find the system too grindy and costly for me at present. I have 7 characters, half of them fly the tactical style Vesta (since using the T5U upgrade on it didn't unlock the others).
Anyway great post thanks.
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Say what? I'm confused.
How long do you want it to do 30k DPS for? If it is for about one CRF cycle, I could name a frakking tonne of players who could do that.
So why are you constantly having a go at STO's DPS players? Every thread made by them has you turn up and trying to get a rise out of them.
Then you say
If you understand the game mechanics so perfectly why are you asking someone else to build you a DPS ship then?
You are full of contradictions.
But if your standpoint is you don't care about DPS, what is then the purpose of all the comments you make in this topic? Live and let live, every one it's own play style, I would advise. No one should dictate someone else how to play. And when teaming up people mostly together agree how to play.
To answer your ?, when you first type in game chat /combatlog 1 to initiate, than /combatlog 0 to stop the log, it will create a log file located in your STO game file. (you might have to do some digging to find it but, it will be there)
This is the file the parser requires.
I hope this helps some!
To lessen the confusion, the first post was being sarcastic, the second was not!
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
You call it sarcastic, I see someone twisting his own words.
First, read post below yours!
As for contradictions, you must be confused!
I explained I know how the game works perfectly, in fact every aspect of it but, do I care to use them for dps bragging? NO
Do I use it to demolish enemies within mere seconds, so that my mission time is 1/10 of what is available? NO
Do I go around acting like people who do not care or, do not have boat loads of dps are beneath me? NO
If anyone can be considered contradicting, it would be this thread and its supporters!
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Actually, you've demonstrated countless times that you do not know how the game works, let alone "perfectly".
Believe what you like or, remain clueless I don't care personally!
Sarcasm is sarcasm and, if you cannot tell the difference, than I cannot help you!
I admitted I goofed on my ship choice, after all I just pulled it out of thin air so to speak.
The galaxy retro, is what I was supposed to be referring to I guess, seeing how I don't have nor, use any of those ships anyways. (just not my personal preference of ship, not that I don't like the looks of it or, that other's like using it)
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Hey, no one is 100% perfect so, your point is?
I have yet to see you 100% spot on everything yourself!
The only thing you seem to be pretty consistent on is, brown nosing your friends threads, arguing with poster's who do not agree and, derailing the subject at the same time!
Heck, you are just as guilty at causing damage as anyone else is, to the very threads you are trying to defend!
Guess your friend's should appreciate that huh?
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
I dont get bothered that much once recently I did because a player thought gravity well crowd control was not needed when it was (it was a low dps group and so the crowd control was the only thing keeping everyone alive while they chipped away at the mob.. however I tend to use reverse psychology and if they critisice i immediately stop using whatever skill it is and watch them all die which gives me a chuckle again I have only had this happen to me once on a science officer who is actually pretty high in dps)
However whenever I see ranting I am very quick with the ignore button. I dont say a word I just slap em on ignore. The person who was convinced that gravity well was not helping was polite so I accomodated him and stopped using it and seconds later everyone was dying pretty much all at once. At which point he said "hrm i guess it was helping" lol so he was not being that bad he just didnt realize.
To be honest though I dont want people who are busy making the play experience miserable with their comments about how this sucks or whatever and complaining. Really just stay out of the q's and do premade groups if your that picky. The bulk of players want to play the game and not have that exprience ruined by people who think more of themselves then the people they are playing with. Its unpleasant and in my case just makes me roll my eyes and hit the ignore button.
Ah ok.. I kinda figured but am still downloading the patch so couldn't test it. I was digging around in my STO directory and couldn't find anything. Thanks
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Lol, you wouldn't get any complaint out of me for using GW.
However, you would get a complaint out of me for, using TBR to knock enemies out of a GW!
I have seen this kind of work done often enough, I get that TBR is useful for many things but, it isn't so useful when you.
1: Keep pushing the enemies out of range of your teams fire
2: Push them out of any type of CC already doing its job effectively
3: Pushing them closer, to the very object you are trying to protect or, keep them from reaching in the first place
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Be sure when you activate the log with /combatlog 1, to give it a few mins roughly to gather some data, than you can stop it with /combatlog 0.
The file should than make itself available in the game client files, like I said might have to dig for it.
example for mine is: C:program files folder, than perfect world entertainment folder, than star trek online_en folder, than startek online folder, than live folder, than logs folder, than game client folder, than combatlog.log text document. Whewww :rolleyes: heck even got a file for saved combatlogs, good grief.
Of course it helps, when you know the exact path to use.
C:\Program Files\Perfect World Entertainment\Star Trek Online_en\Star Trek Online\Live\logs\GameClient\Combatlog.Log
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
TBR is perfect for pushing ships back into GW I use it often while circling a GW with it. Kills fast.
According to your own faith at least one person was, and you are supposed to emulate him as part of walking out that faith.
And when I'm wrong, I learn from it. You constantly post debunked TRIBBLE, and when you are proved wrong you just ignore it and carry on going "la la la, not listening".
Brown nosing - nope. I just appreciate and understand what it is these guys do, one Elite videogame player to another - My specialty is racing games, where I am generally top 400 players in the world at my very best*, top 1% on a good day, top 5% on a bad day.
Arguing - coming from someone who has previously admitted to posting in these types of threads to troll.
Damaging - not really. Anyone who wants to care about DPS/DPS channels already does, and the rest are somewhere between uninterested and actively trying to grief DPSers for being good at STO. Except for newbies, and if they want help they will ask, it is the nature of being new.
If they wanted me to stop, they would ask.
* Not bragging - it is a horrible feeling knowing you are so close and yet so far from the best, especially when you hit a mental wall and are unable to improve no matter how many laps you put in...
So you spoil forums with sarcasm. Are you proud of that kind of behaviour?
If used in such a way by an experienced player, than yes!
But, I have seen all too many times, where they push them out of the epicenter, as in wayyy out of even the slightest pull from the GW!
Same goes for TR, some smuck deems dragging them out of it is a necessity for the team!
Seen this wayyyy too often.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Well he wasn't just a person and, he has a damn good reason to walk out as you so put it, because we have humans like you to thank for his demise.
And as for debunked TRIBBLE, I don't see too much of what I say debunked so, not sure where you come off with those statistics!
And again, your derailing your friend's thread are you not?
But, don't let me stop you from ding so!
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
And humans like you too. Let he who is without sin... (And you didn't actually read or understand what I wrote, as usual)
Do you really want me to go and drag them up?
Coming from a known troll of them. Yes, I go off topic, but I don't troll.
Sure, its a free universe.
Don't let me stop you from doing what you want, go right ahead!
knock your socks off, after all it's your time being wasted, not mine!
And, yes even I could be deemed an unworthy sinner but, at least I acknowledge my faults, same cannot be said for you.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
This whole thread is about talking these kinda things over:
I think i responended to that basically in the very first post:
I am perfectly alright with your opinion. Are you willing to do the same with mine?
If you don't care, then please. Don't.. by all means, don't go out of your way.
I just dont understand why it took us 5 pages to agree that you don't care.
I just wanted to start this whole thing because I am tired of the same posts in all the threads, where the "DPS" phrase is being used. Because we (as in the Admins of the DPS Channels, we dont run personality checks on all the channelmembers like some fleets do
Thanks to cbrjwrr for keeping working on it though.
I have already stated more than once, that it's nice that you all are willing to offer advise, heck even offer up top notch dps builds but, what your friends seem to do, is completely come off as snide snobbish nose thumbers when people don't care about what it is you all have to offer or, do not agree with your views of how the game should be played or, needs be played to be fun and efficient.
Than to see threads pop up, with remarks that seem to come off as putting down those people, and bragging that you all are better than the rest, it is no wonder you get the hate from them.
heck, I got some of them constantly arguing with me, on a regular basis just for putting in my own personal 2cents on these threads so, in retrospect you are only fueling your own hate fires by doing so with myself and other's.
You guy come off, as posting what appears to be a double standard, while also displaying a two sided social interaction with people who post in these threads.
I am sure there are nice people belonging to your bunch and, I am sure there are those who do not need go about bragging they belong to this limited group or, that they far exceed the average player's death dealing in this game but, you also have a few who act virtually the complete opposite and, those are the one's who hurt you all the more.
I play the game to have fun, to make it seem more trek combat to me.
I balance my own builds, so that they try to not completely obliterate things with utter ease, it makes for a challenge I enjoy, just enough dps to be useful but, not so much to be deemed overboard.
If I seem to overboard, than it is either time to dumb it down some more or, back off and let other's have the fun, after all I am not out to ruin someone else's fun if I can help it.
Heck I even ruin my own parses, just so some of what you all deemed the useless category of player's, can get some action, make them feel like they are doing the hard work, give them some satisfaction, heck I might even be dealing with some RP types, that prefer to act like they are actually in a RP scenario, much like in the TV series/movies so, I give them some play space.
Some of the threads/post you guys have put up is good stuff, than you guys have other's that completely kills what good stuff you did do, with harsh comments towards other's play styles/preferences.
Remember there is an old saying "That you can do right for many years but, the one time you do wrong, you will always be remembered for the wrong and, reminded more often of it than for all those years of right."
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Hey sarcasm, can I have some FED builds for ships?
I.e. your Narcine, and if you can, one for a Benthan Assault Cruiser.
I caved and started playing my scimitar again, but I realized I don't find Tokyo Drift in a starship enjoyable.
So far I've only been able to crack 30k in a Fed, any advice?
Yet when all scrubs get lumped together as bad... the special snowflakes (hypocrites) show up in droves to decry being called a scrub.
It's truly funny. Keep up the hypocrisy though it's quite amusing. I mean, if one elitist can justify labelling all Dps league players as elitist making the entire group look bad...then one scrub can also justify labelling all scrubs as baddies.
See how that works?