You know what.
The point about the power gap widening between paying players and free players is a good one.
Maybe the gap is out of control now ?? I dont know, Ive not had to free play for a while. But Im willing to admit that it is critical to get that balance right. For all players.
I didnt think it had gotten so out of control.
Here is my handy example of how the power gap is out of control, I've mentioned it many times and it is a reference to gecko's thread about difficulty.
The upshot is that advanced difficulty had to be nerfed because it was too hard, while at the same time elite had to be buffed because it was too easy. The gap is enormous. Much of the player base, even the quite competent forumites, were unable to complete advanced difficulty within the time limits added, but a small group of elites were farming content massively harder than advanced. At the extreme, this lead to the skill and gear of this minority being literally called an "exploit" by d'angelo the top dog on sto's Dev team because their kill rates let them earn exp 17xs faster than normal players.
Any money spent is ok with me (youve made a contribution), never said only subs can complain.
I just dont give any credibility to complaints about the "upped Cost" coming from f2p'ers.
Thats exactly what i said about someone who doesnt vote, then complains about policy.
Free players can make all the suggestions about gameplay they want, but i when it comes to them crying about increased prices, I want to vomit.
You guys arent freeplayers, If youve bought something in the store.
Youre an idiot who cant read
You're a troll then with a headline that speaks volumes for your true intent.
I am a free player... went 2 years WITHOUT dropping a dime quite happily as I was frustrated with Crytpic for - too many pubs to list here.
The last couple of release were pretty good.
T6 ships looked cool.
So I thought, maybe they've gotten better. $125 for the pack, some zen for dill... here I go.
And I get watch with a growing feeling of stupidity as they change the game to kill the casual gamer's interest. The player base is shrinking. Fleeties are leaving. Regulars I would chat with daily are leaving (8 at last check).
So yeah - your post title was inflammatory, yes you're a self-absorbed idiot and a troll.
Im a lifetime sub, Ive spent a lot of money in game. Because I can afford to. I understand some cannot afford too.
That being said. should free players have ANY right to complain about a game getting more expensive to progress through ?
If you've made threads ******** about upped cost of everything in DR and you're a free player you can go sideways.
***Leetch's are only useful if we're talking about the Plasmonic kind***
I feel this is like not taking the time to vote, then having the audacity to complain about policy decisions.
Nothing against the free player, but you have no say in this. (Even if I agree with you) !
You've contributed nothing to the game, and expect everything to be easily obtainable. I hope you don't carry that atitude with you into real life. You'll be sorely disapointed.
To the others who have ACTUALLY supported this game financially. Feel free to ***** and moan all you want.
If you're the exchange exploiting freeplayer type, get bent.
Theres something you have missed about us free players,those who buy zen as i have done on many occasions.that is contributing to this game. Its not just lifers and gold account members who give to this game.
Theres also a ballot that has the option "None of the Above"
So if you actually went out and cast a ballot with "none of the above"
YOUVE CONTRIBUTED.
I didnt think this was that complicated
What is a free player? Even the people who grind Dilithium for Zen make it possible for those who do not want to grind to keep playing. It is a symbiotic relationship. Some people give time, some give money. Together they make the game work.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Im a lifetime sub, Ive spent a lot of money in game. Because I can afford to. I understand some cannot afford too. That being said. should free players have ANY right to complain about a game getting more expensive to progress through ?
I am a Free2Play player. My family has two accounts. We spent roughly $500-$600 on STO. Why is your money more important than mine? Why should I not be allowed to complain?
You guys are getting offended over nothing,
You think Im puting you down for not being LTS or Gold...Not the case,
Again, If youve spent ANY money (even once) on a ship or whatever, your not free.
You guys are getting offended over nothing, You think Im puting you down for not being LTS or Gold...Not the case,Again, If youve spent ANY money (even once) on a ship or whatever, your not free.
You are putting people down. You painted a large group of people with a broad brush.
besides I hadnt considered that the power gap was growing out of control, so in that case I can understand the free players complaint...that items are just not worth the time invested anymore.
Im a lifetime sub, Ive spent a lot of money in game. Because I can afford to. I understand some cannot afford too.
That being said. should free players have ANY right to complain about a game getting more expensive to progress through ?
If you've made threads ******** about upped cost of everything in DR and you're a free player you can go sideways.
***Leetch's are only useful if we're talking about the Plasmonic kind***
I feel this is like not taking the time to vote, then having the audacity to complain about policy decisions.
Nothing against the free player, but you have no say in this. (Even if I agree with you) !
You've contributed nothing to the game, and expect everything to be easily obtainable. I hope you don't carry that atitude with you into real life. You'll be sorely disapointed.
To the others who have ACTUALLY supported this game financially. Feel free to ***** and moan all you want.
If you're the exchange exploiting freeplayer type, get bent.
Your POV is probably the most inept and inarticulate that I have seen out of a self-entitled through fiscal involvement player, to date.
Those F2P players are the ones that help make builds, provide kills and losses in Ker'rat, help significantly with fleet projects, and otherwise give a no lifer lifer like yourself someone to play with.
They're the ones who make the game fun more than most lifers I have ever met, to be honest. Nevermind that you'll get a more honest opinion from someone who's got nothing invested other than their choice to experience something. They play the game, they've got a right to be heard just as much as someone who pays.
My thoughts on the topic are that free players are content for paying players.
They are teammates in pugs, wearers of costumes, flyers of ships in space, buyers and sellers on both the auctionhouse and the zen exchange, opponents in PvP, contributors to fleet projects, and in too many other ways to count they are contributing players.
With the dil to zen exchange, cryptic has made it so there is no such thing as a completely free player. Someone who buys zen on the exchange has increased cryptics revenue, because without them that zen would not have been bought. Someone who runs peanut labs surveys for zen has increased cryptics revenue because peanut labs pays for that zen and without the "free player" that advertising cash would have gone to another game company.
Without free players sto would be a sad place and a failed game.
So I care a lot about their experiences, and their opinions. And when free players say things are too expensive it matters. If they don't have fun they will leave and the game will suffer.
Im a lifetime sub, Ive spent a lot of money in game. Because I can afford to. I understand some cannot afford too.
That being said. should free players have ANY right to complain about a game getting more expensive to progress through ?
If you've made threads ******** about upped cost of everything in DR and you're a free player you can go sideways.
***Leetch's are only useful if we're talking about the Plasmonic kind***
I feel this is like not taking the time to vote, then having the audacity to complain about policy decisions.
Nothing against the free player, but you have no say in this. (Even if I agree with you) !
You've contributed nothing to the game, and expect everything to be easily obtainable. I hope you don't carry that atitude with you into real life. You'll be sorely disapointed.
To the others who have ACTUALLY supported this game financially. Feel free to ***** and moan all you want.
If you're the exchange exploiting freeplayer type, get bent.
0/10 OP..This has got to be the oldest Flamebait in the STO Troll Handbook.
Free players probably have more right than anyone to complain about the cost of items. Upping the cost widens the already substantial power gap between players and payers. Those of us who buy everything with cash will simply spend more, or choose what they want more carefully. They don't have to wait to grind up that much dilithium or ec. Free players have to wait that much longer to get what they want, and work that much harder for it. I value the opinion of free players far more than I do the players who pay their way through.
I'm not commenting on this post at all. Just wanted to quote because I think it deserves to be read again.:)
It's not myfault ifyoufeel trolledbymyDisco ball...Sorry'boutit.
Im a lifetime sub, Ive spent a lot of money in game. Because I can afford to. I understand some cannot afford too.
That being said. should free players have ANY right to complain about a game getting more expensive to progress through ?
There are tons of F2P players that have probably spent a the same amount of money you have, and more, but never bothered to buy an LTS or sub. There are people shelling out thousands of $$$ for Legacy packs, keys and ships, who are, and always have been F2P/Silver.
but if you want to see it your way: Why should they listen to lifetime subbers in the first place? after all, they already have your money and you're only costing them from now on. You'd think they'd want to lure the F2P-crowd into LTS, which means they're the ones who they'd want to cater to and not people like you...
There are tons of F2P players that have probably spent a the same amount of money you have, and more, but never bothered to buy an LTS or sub. There are people shelling out thousands of $$$ for Legacy packs, keys and ships, who are, and always have been F2P/Silver.
but if you want to see it your way: Why should they listen to lifetime subbers in the first place? after all, they already have your money and you're only costing them from now on. You'd think they'd want to lure the F2P-crowd into LTS, which means they're the ones who they'd want to cater to and not people like you...
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Here is my handy example of how the power gap is out of control, I've mentioned it many times and it is a reference to gecko's thread about difficulty.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1253091
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=19998321&postcount=562
The upshot is that advanced difficulty had to be nerfed because it was too hard, while at the same time elite had to be buffed because it was too easy. The gap is enormous. Much of the player base, even the quite competent forumites, were unable to complete advanced difficulty within the time limits added, but a small group of elites were farming content massively harder than advanced. At the extreme, this lead to the skill and gear of this minority being literally called an "exploit" by d'angelo the top dog on sto's Dev team because their kill rates let them earn exp 17xs faster than normal players.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1271351
I so wish this post was a joke.
Edit: links added
You took the words right out of my mouth.
Qapla'
You're a troll then with a headline that speaks volumes for your true intent.
I am a free player... went 2 years WITHOUT dropping a dime quite happily as I was frustrated with Crytpic for - too many pubs to list here.
The last couple of release were pretty good.
T6 ships looked cool.
So I thought, maybe they've gotten better. $125 for the pack, some zen for dill... here I go.
And I get watch with a growing feeling of stupidity as they change the game to kill the casual gamer's interest. The player base is shrinking. Fleeties are leaving. Regulars I would chat with daily are leaving (8 at last check).
So yeah - your post title was inflammatory, yes you're a self-absorbed idiot and a troll.
Theres something you have missed about us free players,those who buy zen as i have done on many occasions.that is contributing to this game. Its not just lifers and gold account members who give to this game.
Ive already said, if youve spent anything in the game.
YOUR NOT A FREE PLAYER
So if you actually went out and cast a ballot with "none of the above"
YOUVE CONTRIBUTED.
I didnt think this was that complicated
For those that don't pay... well.. they should really shut up.
Of cause, any Free player will claim that they have payed more than golds, so I generally don't discuss it.
You think Im puting you down for not being LTS or Gold...Not the case,
Again, If youve spent ANY money (even once) on a ship or whatever, your not free.
Don't mess with the Free To Play Players.
Without them paying players would have no one to play with.
The other nine whales don't get along.
Ill put you down like an old dog in Ker'rat
But that's the only place ill put people down.
Youve got LTS envy, not my problem
You just threatened me indirectly for being a 'paying' Free2Play player.
Envy? I spent between $500-$600 on STO.
I have a right to complain.
Your POV is probably the most inept and inarticulate that I have seen out of a self-entitled through fiscal involvement player, to date.
Those F2P players are the ones that help make builds, provide kills and losses in Ker'rat, help significantly with fleet projects, and otherwise give a no lifer lifer like yourself someone to play with.
They're the ones who make the game fun more than most lifers I have ever met, to be honest. Nevermind that you'll get a more honest opinion from someone who's got nothing invested other than their choice to experience something. They play the game, they've got a right to be heard just as much as someone who pays.
Signed, Lifetime member
They are teammates in pugs, wearers of costumes, flyers of ships in space, buyers and sellers on both the auctionhouse and the zen exchange, opponents in PvP, contributors to fleet projects, and in too many other ways to count they are contributing players.
With the dil to zen exchange, cryptic has made it so there is no such thing as a completely free player. Someone who buys zen on the exchange has increased cryptics revenue, because without them that zen would not have been bought. Someone who runs peanut labs surveys for zen has increased cryptics revenue because peanut labs pays for that zen and without the "free player" that advertising cash would have gone to another game company.
Without free players sto would be a sad place and a failed game.
So I care a lot about their experiences, and their opinions. And when free players say things are too expensive it matters. If they don't have fun they will leave and the game will suffer.
0/10 OP..This has got to be the oldest Flamebait in the STO Troll Handbook.
Thretened you ? No I believe I challenged you.
Your envy is your own shortcoming.
You fell for it, you must not be that bright.
The only thing you smell of is fear itself.
Challenge stands.
So now calling you out is falling for it? Still 0/10.
Second oldest, the oldest is supporting cryptic and/or liking sto. ~.^
I'm not commenting on this post at all. Just wanted to quote because I think it deserves to be read again.:)
R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy
There are tons of F2P players that have probably spent a the same amount of money you have, and more, but never bothered to buy an LTS or sub. There are people shelling out thousands of $$$ for Legacy packs, keys and ships, who are, and always have been F2P/Silver.
but if you want to see it your way: Why should they listen to lifetime subbers in the first place? after all, they already have your money and you're only costing them from now on. You'd think they'd want to lure the F2P-crowd into LTS, which means they're the ones who they'd want to cater to and not people like you...
What, you think I got LTS and shut the wallet ?