I assume that the trick also involved ships that go down in 1 or 2 shots to the new level 14 equipment and new special ships yet still give the same exp as Delta patrol mission ships. Not sure why everyone wouldn't expect this to be fixed.
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Its the free dil you get when your spec tree is maxed. Dil rewards were reduced in so many places in this patch. The blog post announcing free dil after maxing the tree is written as "if you ever managed to" implying they expected it to be rare. These patrols made it not so rare.
I was quite ignorant about that. Thankyou for replying.
The trick that is needed is a patrol that immediately goes into a fight. Many of them have dialog before combat, possibly multiple glowies (escort the space fishies/gekli). Many others have no combat at all (the tau dewa merchant trade round-robin).
There's not a lot of patrols that meet the requirements for a good farm.
Holy carp- I remember that mission. 60 minutes of the most boring activities for no reward I've ever seen in STO. People actually want to farm that mission ?
When Cryptic made their horrible EC nerf, the forums were pretty silent.
So this is kind of what the players deserve. You let them get away with worse in the past, now you reap the "rewards" .
I'm sad to say this , but I agree .
Mirror Invasion , hourly bonuses via the rotating calendar , awards getting slashed -- the last year and a half it's just been nerf-nerf-nerf-nerf-nerf .
But along comes DR , and you suddenly can't even level or play most of the queues for decent awards and there are still those who go "la-la-la u iz over reacting , Cryptic rulez lololololol ... " .
At times , the eyes can't roll fast enough for the collective stupidity & lack of empathy for players other then yourself on these forums . :rolleyes:
Holy carp- I remember that mission. 60 minutes of the most boring activities for no reward I've ever seen in STO. People actually want to farm that mission ?
Because it's more like 10 minutes. And during LoR yes people farmed the merchant trade roundrobin because it was the fastest to finish the Daily because people needed the marks for Rom Rep.
I'm sad to say this , but I agree .
Mirror Invasion , hourly bonuses via the rotating calendar , awards getting slashed -- the last year and a half it's just been nerf-nerf-nerf-nerf-nerf .
But along comes DR , and you suddenly can't even level or play most of the queues for decent awards and there are still those who go "la-la-la u iz over reacting , Cryptic rulez lololololol ... " .
At times , the eyes can't roll fast enough for the collective stupidity & lack of empathy for players other then yourself on these forums . :rolleyes:
I still recall when this was a good easy game that you could play casually, with good old Mirror Assault even there to help you level.
Can we roll back the servers to that state? Before the horrible Mirror event revamp, the idiotic EC nerf, and the lack of hourly events?
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
The patrols will be back but the enemies probably will scale to level 60 with you so you can't just farm them easily. It wont make any difference then whether you farm TD patrols or DQ patrols the ships will still have 800k HP. Or, they will make each patrol a daily in TD to go with the daily patrol mission wrapper.
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Because it's more like 10 minutes. And during LoR yes people farmed the merchant trade roundrobin because it was the fastest to finish the Daily because people needed the marks for Rom Rep.
IIRC it was a set of 4 missions, but I guess it's easier to go in a vape everything on sight than to actually escort the fishes, and steal the artifacts from under the noses of the Tholians.
*shrug
Taw Dewa has sucked since LoR dropped, everything from epoh tagging and flower picking to the daily's.
I still recall when this was a good easy game that you could play casually, with good old Mirror Assault even there to help you level.
Can we roll back the servers to that state? Before the horrible Mirror event revamp, the idiotic EC nerf, and the lack of hourly events?
EC needed to be nerfed badly. There's no item destruction in this game except for binding and vendor trashing and EC was superultrahyperinflated. In fact, you might claim that nerfing EC works against real monetization and works against PWE interests because it means fewer escrow keys are bought... not to mention fewer tradable items will be bought with zen under nerfed EC: the hyperinflated market actually starts to hurt exchange liquidity in this case because when only a subset of the population is able to afford dropping 100million EC on the exchange for things like ships and lockbox keys you have less trade going on overall, meaning the EC gets only distributed among fewer and fewer players.
The patrols will be back but the enemies probably will scale to level 60 with you so you can't just farm them easily. It wont make any difference then whether you farm TD patrols or DQ patrols the ships will still have 800k HP. Or, they will make each patrol a daily in TD to go with the daily patrol mission wrapper.
They can keep their hp sponges. <<shrugs>> I cannot blame anyone for not wanting to deal with them.
EC needed to be nerfed badly. There's no item destruction in this game except for binding and vendor trashing and EC was superultrahyperinflated. In fact, you might claim that nerfing EC works against real monetization and works against PWE interests because it means fewer escrow keys are bought... not to mention fewer tradable items will be bought with nerfed EC: the hyperinflated market actually starts to hurt exchange liquidity in this case because when only a subset of the population is able to afford dropping 100million EC on the exchange for things like ships and lockbox keys you have less trade going on overall, meaning the EC gets only distributed among fewer and fewer players.
You make it sound like every item on the exchange is overinflated. Sheesh, I toss everything up to blue mk12 junk right into the trash because it's almost always worth more to the trashcan than valued on the exchange. If you don't want my purple mk12 shield I listed at 10 million, dpn't buy it.
I honestly would be surprised if they did; methinks they will leave it off-limits until tmmrw's patch.
This whole thing is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
Every season has a nerf. I am trying hard to think of a time where WE got something in return that wasn't just a trinket (bread and circuses)
I'm tired of being corralled into a particular playstyle just so they can have better analytics and metrics with which to forecast. I'm tired of being told what to do and how to do it.
will be looking for the following message to arrive from devs:
"We found that a bug was causing Tau Dewa to give more xp than intended."
The politically correct way of saying "Go get your xp in the sector we wanted you to get it in"
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-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
will be looking for the following message to arrive from devs:
"We found that a bug was causing Tau Dewa to give more xp than intended."
The politically correct way of saying "Go get your xp in the sector we wanted you to get it in"
That would be total BS since LvL 50 Japori kills give same amount of XP as any other LvL 50 kills and it's less than LvL 60 kills (~750 XP and ~1300 XP respectively).
You make it sound like every item on the exchange is overinflated. Sheesh, I toss everything up to blue mk12 junk right into the trash because it's almost always worth more to the trashcan than valued on the exchange. If you don't want my purple mk12 shield I listed at 10 million, dpn't buy it.
i recall when keys went for 1.5 mill now they are above 2.2 mill and the EC nerf in 9.5 has done what???? nothing love ppl thinking EC nerf is a good thing me and my fleet mate has not seen anything go down with said nerfs if anything made them go up
i recall when keys went for 1.5 mill now they are above 2.2 mill and the EC nerf in 9.5 has done what???? nothing love ppl thinking EC nerf is a good thing me and my fleet mate has not seen anything go down with said nerfs if anything made them go up
It's simply the market for a particular item seeking it's equilibrium price. Thats how a free market works. You want the price to go down ? Stop buying the item, or make MANY more of that item available.
In regards to the theory that this is due to the extra dil people were getting:
remember that if the player base finds a way to make extra amounts of dil, cryptic considers it stealing from them if you are getting more than they intend for you to get. paraphrased from the words of a gecko interview.
-Rule of Acquisition #113: Always have sex with the boss.
-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
will be looking for the following message to arrive from devs:
"We found that a bug was causing Tau Dewa to give more xp than intended."
The politically correct way of saying "Go get your xp in the sector we wanted you to get it in"
The truly sad irony in all of this, is that I think they acted prematurely (next to inappropriately). Even stipulating, for argument's sake, that forcing us to grind the DR patrol missions is a good idea, I bet many ppl were like me, thinking: "Let me level up first, then do the hard, new story content." (And since half the story missions consist of doing DR patrols, is it any wonder ppl postponed those a bit?!)
I just did the mission where you fight aboard the Lleiset. It's awesome! Loved it! Which kinda makes me feel a bit guilty, because throughout it all, I *do* see the love the devs put into making DR. And they really do deserve credit for doing so. Which makes this nerfing Tau Dewa move -- especially since I think it's premature, even -- all the more monumentally sad.
Holy carp- I remember that mission. 60 minutes of the most boring activities for no reward I've ever seen in STO. People actually want to farm that mission ?
Yes, the Gelki or whatever patrol mission is the worst EVER. I had those stupid ****ers right at the entrance of their little space rift and they stopped because there were some Hirogen about 20 km away doing nothing.
I never farmed Japori or any Tau Dewa patrols but yes, currently leveling for DR is painful. The patrols are a HUGE grind and not fun at all.
I love the art, the story, etc. for DR. I hate the patrols so much. Killing 5 waves of 5 ships that have 800,000 hp and impenetrable shields - not to mention the sensor scramble ability so they go invisible constantly - NOT TO MENTION the ability to summon other ships constantly - - Yeah... SO annoying.
I'm not mad they are nerfing the Tau Dewa patrols, I'm just not terribly impressed with the DR patrols.
frankly as i stated a while back im here for my friends and even they dont know why they are staying at this point we are all at our breaking point this is just an escalation of that.
i have friends that joined recently that are romulans they cant progress right now thanks to this and if this does not make cryptic wince they were thinking about spending money here both of them are what mtos would consider whales so thats lost income.
i just want to know what was so important they shut down important maps to being able to play for the romulans.
the devs hiding behind the Q mod account is even more disturbing if mods dont want to be associated with this "Fix" then how are we all going to feel they know its going to tear at our heart strings theres no other reason to use the Q account.
i dont want specific ways of doing the "Exploit" but i would like to know what they are talking about atleast.
The truly sad irony in all of this, is that I think they acted prematurely (next to inappropriately). Even stipulating, for argument's sake, that forcing us to grind the DR patrol missions is a good idea, I bet many ppl were like me, thinking: "Let me level up first, then do the hard, new story content." (And since half the story missions consist of doing DR patrols, is it any wonder ppl postponed those a bit?!)
I just did the mission where you fight aboard the Lleiset. It's awesome! Loved it! Which kinda makes me feel a bit guilty, because throughout it all, I *do* see the love the devs put into making DR. And they really do deserve credit for doing so. Which makes this nerfing Tau Dewa move -- especially since I think it's premature, even -- all the more monumentally sad.
i was only trying to get to 60 so i didnt have to stop and go grind out XP so i can keep going on with the story i fully plan to play all story content in DR because i came back for the story and the level cap increase
I bet they'll put a 24h cooldown on all patrol missions now. :rolleyes:
I understand that the DL income from capped players had to be controlled but punishing all players for just grinding to get those points is just an unneccessary move.
Simply block the Specialization-Dilithium and leave the maps as they are.
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I was quite ignorant about that. Thankyou for replying.
Holy carp- I remember that mission. 60 minutes of the most boring activities for no reward I've ever seen in STO. People actually want to farm that mission ?
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I'm sad to say this , but I agree .
Mirror Invasion , hourly bonuses via the rotating calendar , awards getting slashed -- the last year and a half it's just been nerf-nerf-nerf-nerf-nerf .
But along comes DR , and you suddenly can't even level or play most of the queues for decent awards and there are still those who go "la-la-la u iz over reacting , Cryptic rulez lololololol ... " .
At times , the eyes can't roll fast enough for the collective stupidity & lack of empathy for players other then yourself on these forums . :rolleyes:
Because it's more like 10 minutes. And during LoR yes people farmed the merchant trade roundrobin because it was the fastest to finish the Daily because people needed the marks for Rom Rep.
I still recall when this was a good easy game that you could play casually, with good old Mirror Assault even there to help you level.
Can we roll back the servers to that state? Before the horrible Mirror event revamp, the idiotic EC nerf, and the lack of hourly events?
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IIRC it was a set of 4 missions, but I guess it's easier to go in a vape everything on sight than to actually escort the fishes, and steal the artifacts from under the noses of the Tholians.
*shrug
Taw Dewa has sucked since LoR dropped, everything from epoh tagging and flower picking to the daily's.
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Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
EC needed to be nerfed badly. There's no item destruction in this game except for binding and vendor trashing and EC was superultrahyperinflated. In fact, you might claim that nerfing EC works against real monetization and works against PWE interests because it means fewer escrow keys are bought... not to mention fewer tradable items will be bought with zen under nerfed EC: the hyperinflated market actually starts to hurt exchange liquidity in this case because when only a subset of the population is able to afford dropping 100million EC on the exchange for things like ships and lockbox keys you have less trade going on overall, meaning the EC gets only distributed among fewer and fewer players.
They can keep their hp sponges. <<shrugs>> I cannot blame anyone for not wanting to deal with them.
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You make it sound like every item on the exchange is overinflated. Sheesh, I toss everything up to blue mk12 junk right into the trash because it's almost always worth more to the trashcan than valued on the exchange. If you don't want my purple mk12 shield I listed at 10 million, dpn't buy it.
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I honestly would be surprised if they did; methinks they will leave it off-limits until tmmrw's patch.
This whole thing is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
Every season has a nerf. I am trying hard to think of a time where WE got something in return that wasn't just a trinket (bread and circuses)
I'm tired of being corralled into a particular playstyle just so they can have better analytics and metrics with which to forecast. I'm tired of being told what to do and how to do it.
I'm just...tired.
"We found that a bug was causing Tau Dewa to give more xp than intended."
The politically correct way of saying "Go get your xp in the sector we wanted you to get it in"
-Rule of Acquisition #113: Always have sex with the boss.
-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
That would be total BS since LvL 50 Japori kills give same amount of XP as any other LvL 50 kills and it's less than LvL 60 kills (~750 XP and ~1300 XP respectively).
i recall when keys went for 1.5 mill now they are above 2.2 mill and the EC nerf in 9.5 has done what???? nothing love ppl thinking EC nerf is a good thing me and my fleet mate has not seen anything go down with said nerfs if anything made them go up
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Sadly, I do as well.
It's simply the market for a particular item seeking it's equilibrium price. Thats how a free market works. You want the price to go down ? Stop buying the item, or make MANY more of that item available.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
remember that if the player base finds a way to make extra amounts of dil, cryptic considers it stealing from them if you are getting more than they intend for you to get. paraphrased from the words of a gecko interview.
-Rule of Acquisition #113: Always have sex with the boss.
-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
The truly sad irony in all of this, is that I think they acted prematurely (next to inappropriately). Even stipulating, for argument's sake, that forcing us to grind the DR patrol missions is a good idea, I bet many ppl were like me, thinking: "Let me level up first, then do the hard, new story content." (And since half the story missions consist of doing DR patrols, is it any wonder ppl postponed those a bit?!)
I just did the mission where you fight aboard the Lleiset. It's awesome! Loved it!
Yes, the Gelki or whatever patrol mission is the worst EVER. I had those stupid ****ers right at the entrance of their little space rift and they stopped because there were some Hirogen about 20 km away doing nothing.
I never farmed Japori or any Tau Dewa patrols but yes, currently leveling for DR is painful. The patrols are a HUGE grind and not fun at all.
I love the art, the story, etc. for DR. I hate the patrols so much. Killing 5 waves of 5 ships that have 800,000 hp and impenetrable shields - not to mention the sensor scramble ability so they go invisible constantly - NOT TO MENTION the ability to summon other ships constantly - - Yeah... SO annoying.
I'm not mad they are nerfing the Tau Dewa patrols, I'm just not terribly impressed with the DR patrols.
i have friends that joined recently that are romulans they cant progress right now thanks to this and if this does not make cryptic wince they were thinking about spending money here both of them are what mtos would consider whales so thats lost income.
i just want to know what was so important they shut down important maps to being able to play for the romulans.
the devs hiding behind the Q mod account is even more disturbing if mods dont want to be associated with this "Fix" then how are we all going to feel they know its going to tear at our heart strings theres no other reason to use the Q account.
i dont want specific ways of doing the "Exploit" but i would like to know what they are talking about atleast.
i was only trying to get to 60 so i didnt have to stop and go grind out XP so i can keep going on with the story i fully plan to play all story content in DR because i came back for the story and the level cap increase
system Lord Baal is dead
I understand that the DL income from capped players had to be controlled but punishing all players for just grinding to get those points is just an unneccessary move.
Simply block the Specialization-Dilithium and leave the maps as they are.
Except the ones on the DQ of course ... only thing left to gain XP at all ...