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Abramverse not the same universe as STO

dpsloss88dpsloss88 Member Posts: 765 Arc User
edited September 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
I see people claiming Abramverse is part of Star Trek, well not prime universe Star Trek. Spock and Kirk even state this directly to the camera in the middle of Star Trek (2009) "Abram Trek". CBS (OR SOMEONE ELSE, whatever, its irrelevant) may own both Abramverse and Star Trek but they are not the same.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Most of us figured this out in 2009... It's STILL Star Trek... Just not Prime Universe Star Trek.

    Also, do we really need more threads on this?

    And another note: CBS dosen't own JJ-Verse... Paramount owns JJ-Verse...
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  • admiralcarteradmiralcarter Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Isnt CBS owning Paramount or vice versa? :confused:
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  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    admiralcarter wrote: »
    Isnt CBS owning Paramount or vice versa? :confused:
    cbs and paramount are separate companies that happened to be owned by the same person.
  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    admiralcarter wrote: »
    Isnt CBS owning Paramount or vice versa? :confused:

    both are correct
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    The Abramsverse is as much a part of Star Trek as the Mirror Universe.
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  • dpsloss88dpsloss88 Member Posts: 765 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I would love a series staring the evil Kirk or Mirror Spock.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    admiralcarter wrote: »
    Isnt CBS owning Paramount or vice versa? :confused:

    Negatory...Redstone's the controlling shareholder of both CBS and Viacom (which owns Paramount); but they are two separately traded entities after they were split back in...doh, brainfart...mid 2000s sometime.
  • fraghul2000fraghul2000 Member Posts: 1,590 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    The Abramsverse is as much a part of Star Trek as the Mirror Universe.

    This.

    Or just like any other alternate universe we've seen before. The creators of JJ-trek even mentioned that the two universes exist parallel to each other, just like alternate (quantum) realities we've seen on the show so far.

    In addition to that, both universes are identical to each other, until the Kelvin-incient meaning that everything we saw in "Enterprise" for example, also happened in JJ-trek.
  • ashrod63ashrod63 Member Posts: 384 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    dpsloss88 wrote: »
    I see people claiming Abramverse is part of Star Trek, well not prime universe Star Trek. Spock and Kirk even state this directly to the camera in the middle of Star Trek (2009) "Abram Trek". CBS (OR SOMEONE ELSE, whatever, its irrelevant) may own both Abramverse and Star Trek but they are not the same.

    May I ask a far more important question: Where did you see these people?
  • atomictikiatomictiki Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    fraghul2000 wrote: »
    This.
    In addition to that, both universes are identical to each other, until the Kelvin-incient meaning that everything we saw in "Enterprise" for example, also happened in JJ-trek.

    Not exactly. In JJTrek, the Federation isn't the social utopia in the Prime Universe because corporations like Nokia are still around. It is the Not-Quite-Mirrorverse and it's still pastiche trash.
    Leave nerfing to the professionals.
  • ashrod63ashrod63 Member Posts: 384 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    atomictiki wrote: »
    Not exactly. In JJTrek, the Federation isn't the social utopia in the Prime Universe because corporations like Nokia are still around. It is the Not-Quite-Mirrorverse and it's still pastiche trash.

    No, it is the same, you just don't normally see this rubbish because there are far more interesting things going on.
  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    atomictiki wrote: »
    Not exactly. In JJTrek, the Federation isn't the social utopia in the Prime Universe because corporations like Nokia are still around. It is the Not-Quite-Mirrorverse and it's still pastiche trash.
    corporations and businesses are still around in canon trek too. all the way back to tos you had kirk making contracts with miners to buy their dilithium crystals for the federation. those were clearly businesses and capitalism.

    even tng contradicts the utopia gene wanted peope to believe, going to the 1st episode were crusher uses money to buy cloth. and quark didn't give all those drinks to starfleet for free.
  • ashrod63ashrod63 Member Posts: 384 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    stf65 wrote: »
    corporations and businesses are still around in canon trek too. all the way back to tos you had kirk making contracts with miners to buy their dilithium crystals for the federation. those were clearly businesses and capitalism.

    even tng contradicts the utopia gene wanted peope to believe, going to the 1st episode were crusher uses money to buy cloth. and quark didn't give all those drinks to starfleet for free.

    It is worthwhile pointing out Farpoint wasn't part of the Federation, and Quark (as well as his family) aren't Federation citizens either. By TNG time, the Federation had scrapped money for internal purposes, but obviously it remains a necessity for external affairs as not everyone else follows the same principles.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    ashrod63 wrote: »
    It is worthwhile pointing out Farpoint wasn't part of the Federation, and Quark (as well as his family) aren't Federation citizens either. By TNG time, the Federation had scrapped money for internal purposes, but obviously it remains a necessity for external affairs as not everyone else follows the same principles.
    Not really.

    The people in the Federation had businesses. Picard had a winery. It was not free wine. Sisko had a restaurant. It was not free food.

    This topic comes up a lot and there are numerous examples on Memory Alpha where the Federation was still using currency and business.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • lunastolunasto Member Posts: 774 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I had thought they revamped Star Trek to bury the old shows, since all of the actors where too old to play the parts again. Also to relate it more to our current mainstream culture.

    It's also why I thought they wore the Sierra uniform when I first started playing, they became more militant like the new movies. Instead of using the relaxed fit ones. I still think the dress uniforms from Nemesis should have been the actual duty uniform!
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  • knockyknocky Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    JJ's version at least looks like Star Trek. What does PWE T6 ships look like? Generic scifi ships to me, from some B movie on SiFi channel ( or whatever they are calling themselves these days )
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    knocky wrote: »
    JJ's version at least looks like Star Trek. What does PWE T6 ships look like? Generic scifi ships to me, from some B movie on SiFi channel ( or whatever they are calling themselves these days )

    I actually have to (shivers) agree on this...

    JJ's ships do look more like Fed ships than the upcoming intelligence ships.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
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    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    knocky wrote: »
    JJ's version at least looks like Star Trek. What does PWE T6 ships look like? Generic scifi ships to me, from some B movie on SiFi channel ( or whatever they are calling themselves these days )
    I think the Guardian Class looks very Star Trek; as do the Quib, Maha, and Faeht. Why is it so difficult for you to understand that personal preference are subjective concepts? If we all only liked the exact same things we would all only be playing WoW. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I think the Guardian Class looks very Star Trek; as do the Quib, Maha, and Faeht. Why is it so difficult for you to understand that personal preference are subjective concepts? If we all only liked the exact same things we would all only be playing WoW. :)

    On the matter of the Guardian class, I will reserve judgement until we see an actual screenshot of it.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    pwebranflakes wrote: »
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
    Like Duty Officers? Support effords to gather ideas
  • knockyknocky Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    On the matter of the Guardian class, I will reserve judgement until we see an actual screenshot of it.

    This, that one upskirt concept art isn't doing it for me. Hopefully it will surprise me with Trekkieness.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    On the matter of the Guardian class, I will reserve judgement until we see an actual screenshot of it.
    I does not matter if you like the look. It is still a very Trek-like ship. I do not like the look of the Galaxy Class, but you cannot say it is not a Trek looking ship.

    There have been plenty of Star Trek ships which did not exactly fit the Trek mold. Most of then came about once CGI became the norm rather then modeling and the artists had more freedom to indulge their fancy without it costing CBS a lot of money.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    I actually have to (shivers) agree on this...

    JJ's ships do look more like Fed ships than the upcoming intelligence ships.

    The Phantom looks like an updated Defiant.
    The Eclipse looks like an updated mix of Heavy Cruiser and Advanced Escort.
    The Scryer looks like...looks like...looks like...looks like...somebody? Anybody?
  • knockyknocky Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    virusdancer wrote: »
    The Phantom looks like an updated Defiant.
    The Eclipse looks like an updated mix of Heavy Cruiser and Advanced Escort.
    The Scryer looks like...looks like...looks like...looks like...somebody? Anybody?

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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Its just an other parallel universe version. Just like the "Mirror" universe. I have a comic where Kirk and crew are opposite sexes. So that is another version of it as well.
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  • bobtheskull99bobtheskull99 Member Posts: 706 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    to me the Scryer looks like a Luna class, just with the saucer section hollowed out so it looks more like a doughnut
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    dpsloss88 wrote: »
    I see people claiming Abramverse is part of Star Trek, well not prime universe Star Trek. Spock and Kirk even state this directly to the camera in the middle of Star Trek (2009) "Abram Trek". CBS (OR SOMEONE ELSE, whatever, its irrelevant) may own both Abramverse and Star Trek but they are not the same.

    Apropos of what now? Who exactly are you trying to argue with?
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    bobtheskull99 wrote: »
    to me the Scryer looks like a Luna class, just with the saucer section hollowed out so it looks more like a doughnut

    Doh, there you go...
    knocky wrote: »
    http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070807032417/starwars/images/6/68/TF-DCS-ST.jpg


    :P

    What Lock Box does that come in and how many Tac Consoles will it have? ;)
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    virusdancer wrote: »
    The Phantom looks like an updated Defiant.
    The Eclipse looks like an updated mix of Heavy Cruiser and Advanced Escort.
    The Scryer looks like...looks like...looks like...looks like...somebody? Anybody?

    My ketchup bottle has the same basic approximate shape as my Mustard bottle... Dosen't mean they look the same.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    pwebranflakes wrote: »
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
    Like Duty Officers? Support effords to gather ideas
  • fraghul2000fraghul2000 Member Posts: 1,590 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I think the Guardian Class looks very Star Trek; as do the Quib, Maha, and Faeht. Why is it so difficult for you to understand that personal preference are subjective concepts?

    It's not so much a matter or liking a certain design or not, rather than if that design still looks remotely like the "corporate design" that was established in the franchise and if people will still releate it to the Star Trek universe.

    The JJ-trek Enterprise, STO's Avenger and Odyssey or the Vesta from the novels look like ships that might as well have appeared on the show. They look different, but you can still make out basic ST shapes, symbolism and design features.

    What we've seen from ships like the new T6 escort so far, it just looks like it might come out of any generic Sci-Fi universe. Weather someone likes that design or not is irrelevant in that case. It's not a matter of "subjective personal preference", but an objective judgement on design features.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    My ketchup bottle has the same basic approximate shape as my Mustard bottle... Dosen't mean they look the same.

    The Constitution class does not look like the Galaxy class which does not look like the Sovereign class which does not look like the Intrepid class which does not look like the Defiant class which does not look like the Excelsior class which does not look like the Nebula class which does not look like...
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