Are the consoles universal to all ships on the faction or are they ship specific?
I would imagine that like [quite nearly] all T5 consoles T6 consoles are going to be [almost entirely] ship specific. The only time we've had any real interchangability is within a particular ship's 3-pack bundle (which this won't qualify for the simple fact that the KDF and ROM have 2 and the FED have 4. It wouldn't be fair if they could share.)
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ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to continue playing the game anyway. Whereas if you want to, say, play Mass Effect without bothering with any of the DLC, it's still going to cost you per game. (I bought them new, so wound up paying circa $40 per - worth it in my opinion, but without any DLC, I'd be looking at a total of about $120 for several days' worth of gameplay - far less than I've gotten out of STO for free.)
I'll be playing Delta Rising for free, too. I don't see why all the whinging. You don't think it's worth $125 US for the ships and whatnot? Don't pay it - I won't. Where's the issue?
Not really into the look of the Fed ships aside from the "Guardian" one. Saying that, I hope you can use all the Galaxy skins on it. If I had a T6 ship I would like it to look like it came from Star Trek.
Actually the Defiant was made to counter the Borg but instead used to counter the Jem Hadar and Founders. Successive ships of the Defiant class did not have cloak. So, it was never meant to invade the Gamma Quadrant.
As for the new ships, it says the Federation went into War machines mode and now are the invaders. I consider them worst then the Borg, Undine, or Voth courtesy of STO!
Then the Borg should not have started, because now we are gonna finish it, and I'm gonna mount the Queen's head in my ready room.
So about that treaty the United Federation of Planets signed that prohibits them from developing cloaking technology? Yeah where the hell did that go and when? :P You know the one that STO lore even expressly states that cloaking technology is illegal.
The guarding cruiser looks like it could be a cool galaxy/ambassador skin but the other 3 look like fecal matter and have 0 federation design asthetic to them.
The Klingons and Romulans got nice looking ships but, damn, can you EVER get over yourselves and stop with the fed bias on development??!! You want more money out of KDF and RR stop giving the feds 4x the TRIBBLE you give the other factions and give us something to buy ffs!
I think its obvious from alot of items, the federation is not so all about the rule of law anymore, and has not been for a while.
New home of the Romulan Republic.
I have an idea for what Season 11 should be; Season 11: The Big Bug Fix.
I have not been able to read my bug tickets in over a year, not even the tickets about not being able to see my tickets.
I find the drama of your signature proof of your immaturity, this means you, DR whiners.
$125 for several one year old single player games.
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And how much time can you reasonably spend on single player games? Let's not look at something like Halo's or COD's campaign (which are geting to be laughably short these days) but at something like borderlands or even skyrim. I've spent ~40 hours in the former and ~120 in the latter. I haven't checked how much time I've spent in STO for a good long while now (and I'm damn well not going to check for the sake of this thread) but back in around season 7 or 8 it was a very depressing number.
Looking at all the cheap games I've picked up from the gamestop used pile over the years I'm not approaching anywhere near the same value for money as an STO booster pack. It's a lot to ask up front and for what is clearly just one game, but you're going to probably spend more time with that content than with Blacksite Area 51, Brink, Timeshift, Fracture, Fallout, The Force Unleashed, and Saints Row put together.
Of course the sensible option is just to manage your dil with a bit of sense and pick up the items you actually want from the c-store, but its not quite such a rip-off to put this $125 price tag on the full booster pack (especially when a few Limited Editions for the more hyped AAA console games hit the same price point and only give you an embarassing statue and one set of exclusive armor DLC, plus the standard game.)
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And how much time can you reasonably spend on single player games? Let's not look at something like Halo's or COD's campaign (which are geting to be laughably short these days) but at something like borderlands or even skyrim. I've spent ~40 hours in the former and ~120 in the latter. I haven't checked how much time I've spent in STO for a good long while now (and I'm damn well not going to check for the sake of this thread) but back in around season 7 or 8 it was a very depressing number.
Well if you play Skyrim/whatever dozens of times like you've probably done with STO STFs, you'll also be able to expand the playtime of those games ad infinitum.
Well if you play Skyrim/whatever dozens of times like you've probably done with STO STFs, you'll also be able to expand the playtime of those games ad infinitum.
The same can be said for Tetris. It isn't because there's the obvious lack there of MMO mechanics. With something like Skyrim the distinction isn't as clear (there is a LOT of grinding in that game) but what it basically comes down to is that without a social environment and evolving gear, systems, stats, and content you can't exercise the full potential that having no technical limit on replays provides. Even with Mod support (which is a far cry from content like DR) you're going to run out of things to entertain yourself with in a single player RPG far sooner than with an MMO you get into (especially a F2P one where you're not trying to justify the cost every month.)
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The no-cloak treaty went out the door when the Klinks and Feds got fighting again i thought. Anyway, there is too many cloaking or cloak typed races in the delta quadrant not to have it equipped and with the Klink and Rommies together, having the fed ships in the fleet (I am assuming everyone is going together, would just make sense.) sticking out like a sore thumb would be silly.
Logic aside...
I'm not all opposed to the new look for feds, and the science ship's ability sounds freaking cool and right up my alley. Knowing I'd ante up anyway for MOST of the ships, I went ahead and bought the pack, and I hope that they'll add on a few more like they did with LoR's 124 buck pack, but frankly I'll be honest, the Title "VOYAGER" is what really made me want this.
And it's not like I don't set 150 bucks a aside a month on TRIBBLE in this game so this worked out well.
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I hope we can use older skins for ships we have already purchased. I am not to impressed with the new Fed designs. They are ok but seem more like Tron ships than Fed ships. The Romluan and Klingon ships do look nice though.
Can the Galaxy-shaped Guardian Class use Galaxy skins?
I hope it will. I'd be a shame and waste if not.
At least Venture ship parts would be nice IMO, since it is a completely new ship design and it would fit perfectly to the Guardian.
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I think the no-cloak treaty (Treaty of Algeron) was with the Romulan Star Empire and went out of the window when said Empire stopped existing.
I don't think the treaty was renewed with the two romulan sucessor states (New Romulan Empire and Romulan Republic).
Not sure if someone brought up this point so i appoligize in advance if i am repeating. Right now a top level ship will cost u around $25 US, with the pack you are getting 8 ships, so do the simple math. If these ships were to cost you $25 each you would be paying $200 just for the ships alone. Not only do you get 8 ships for $125, but you also get boff's, doff's, ship upgade tokens, and Talaxian uniform (although some might not like it). That in my opinion is one hell of a deal. I will definately get this pack, it is well worth every penny.
People all over the world spend more than $125 bucks on frivolous transient TRIBBLE that lasts a lot shorter time frame than the lifetime of an MMO. Like a day golfing, theatre tickets, sporting events, gourmet dinners, chartering a boat, vacation trips, gambling in casinos, etc, etc, etc.
So don't try painting this as an Americans mindset.
I agree... This isn't exclusive to Americans... It's exclusive to Zynga...
Where was DStahl working again, when he left Cryptic back then?
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
The ships look okay but I'm not overly impressed, Im pretty happy with my Tatical Cruiser. I dont see anything here I would be willing to fork over a $124.99 for. Why is this not something that is deeply discounted or free for FTP/subscribers, I mean I hate to bring it up but SWKOR gave away the Stronghold to Subscribers. This seems like alot of money for not much return. Think I will just get a token and upgrade my T-5 ship. Especially after reading that the content will not require a t6 ship or even an upgraded T5. I think you need to rethink here, this is way to much money for essientially a upgrade pack.:mad:
I mean I understand your company needs to make money but you make money off of me every month and virtually everytime I play in one form or another. As a subscriber I pay every month and I usually find something cool that I have to have at least a couple times a week.
I am really looking forward to playing Delta Rising and I did love the free give away weekend that just happened. Ever since I joined this game I have thought that the items were way over priced but I still forked over the money because I loved playing the game.
I saw the ships and thought they interest me, but £98 at todays rate, even with the 20% discount made me cringe a lot. :eek:
These are virtual items and will be outdated within 6 months, I made a commitment to the game when I paid my life sub but £98 is far too much for some ships. I'd rather see a massive round of bug fixing than this attempt at mugging me. This game is rapidly becoming MechWarrior Online as their packages are ridiculously overpriced too.
Sorry too rich for my blood as the card player said I'm out.
Not even tempted to buy the pack. The Federation ships, if you can call them Federation ships, are appalling. They don't even look like Star Trek ships. The only news I want to hear from Delta Rising is that you have fired the Ship Artist and anyone who okayed the design. You lost my $199.99 and much of my interested in Delta Rising, or in my case Delta Failing.
I must say that $125 for DLC is such an American mindset. Only we would blow that much money at one time for a game. Sad that in today's economy, we (American's) still have that kind of disposable income.
But off my soapbox... personally I was hoping for, and still am, smaller starter boxes. I just want 1 T6 ship with some goodies. I don't need 8... Last I checked, I could only fly one at a time
spoken like someone who's never been anywhere else. perfect world grossed over 500 million bucks last year. most of it came from their asian market games. i guess no one told all those asian gamers they weren't americans and so can't blow money on games.
and what do you mean 'in today's economy?' unemployment is at the lowest its been in nearly a decade and the dow jones industrial has almost doubled in value over the last 6 years. i work in a bank in the loan division and home, business, and personal loans are are close to setting records.
you'll be able to buy the ships individually once the expansion goes live; just like you could with lor, so there's no reason to fret about that either.
I agree... This isn't exclusive to Americans... It's exclusive to Zynga...
Where was DStahl working again, when he left Cryptic back then?
it has nothing to do with zynga, either. look at star citizen. the fans kickstarted over 20 million bucks to get the game going. games cost money and people are willing to spend money if they like the product.
it has nothing to do with zynga, either. look at star citizen. the fans kickstarted over 20 million bucks to get the game going. games cost money and people are willing to spend money if they like the product.
Totally different scenarios buddy.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
No, the new content, when it arrives, will be available for free.
The package is primarily about buying those new Tier 6 ships. But you don't need Tier 6 ships for the new content, and you can upgrade old Tier 5 ships. (The upgrade must be bought from the C-Store, but you can get Zen via the Dilithium Exchange. E.g. you collect and refine a lot of Dilithium by in-game activities) and then exchange it against Zen that someone else bought.) You can also get Tier 6 ships eventually via the C-Store (either buying Zen directly, or exchanging it for Dilithium)
I would definitely recommend not spending any money until you figured out more about how the game currently works.
Take the combination of dil and zen in considering the price. $20 is simply where it starts, and what cryptic will ultimately get for the transaction. Obviously at your end you can work your way down to a price tag of $0 via the dilithium grind but at any point along it you can jump straight to owning that c-store item with a bit of cash proportional to how much gameplay time you still need to spend. In that you can let your own sense of value dictate how much any item should be to you.
I for example spent $10 (plus dil) to get my scimitar because that's what I considered a fair price for that ship. I didn't spend anything (except dil) on my character respec's, extra boff slots, account bank because I saw those as basic services that I shouldn't have to pay real money for. Similarly I only spent $5 to pick up the modules for my fleet sovereign because that's what I thought was reasonable and I spent $0 on the FED DSD pack because I only wanted that out of a sense of novelty.
Basically I never consider how much any item is worth from its base c-store price. That's just how much cryptic is getting through the dil exchange and whatever I decided to chip in (which only sets how much time I need to spend to reach my fair price.)
I look at it this way. Games are my entertainment. I work hard 6 days a week, I make money, and i couldn't get a rats tail about going to watch MLB, NBA, NFL, whatever sport things live. Usually the times I have gone, its about 100 dollars all said and done, and i'm cheap when it comes to buying stuff. You go and see a game once, about 2-3 hours. I spend less on a ship, instead of grinding, and I use it for hours and hours, and if it's really good, hell weeks maybe. I'm not different than the guy buying season passes for his favorite team, I don't look down on him for that, we just have different interests. I understand STO is F2P. I did not play it because it's F2P. I play it because it's fun. I don't mind spending money on it.
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I would imagine that like [quite nearly] all T5 consoles T6 consoles are going to be [almost entirely] ship specific. The only time we've had any real interchangability is within a particular ship's 3-pack bundle (which this won't qualify for the simple fact that the KDF and ROM have 2 and the FED have 4. It wouldn't be fair if they could share.)
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ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to continue playing the game anyway. Whereas if you want to, say, play Mass Effect without bothering with any of the DLC, it's still going to cost you per game. (I bought them new, so wound up paying circa $40 per - worth it in my opinion, but without any DLC, I'd be looking at a total of about $120 for several days' worth of gameplay - far less than I've gotten out of STO for free.)
I'll be playing Delta Rising for free, too. I don't see why all the whinging. You don't think it's worth $125 US for the ships and whatnot? Don't pay it - I won't. Where's the issue?
Then the Borg should not have started, because now we are gonna finish it, and I'm gonna mount the Queen's head in my ready room.
I think its obvious from alot of items, the federation is not so all about the rule of law anymore, and has not been for a while.
I have an idea for what Season 11 should be; Season 11: The Big Bug Fix.
I have not been able to read my bug tickets in over a year, not even the tickets about not being able to see my tickets.
I find the drama of your signature proof of your immaturity, this means you, DR whiners.
Pretty simple math
And how much time can you reasonably spend on single player games? Let's not look at something like Halo's or COD's campaign (which are geting to be laughably short these days) but at something like borderlands or even skyrim. I've spent ~40 hours in the former and ~120 in the latter. I haven't checked how much time I've spent in STO for a good long while now (and I'm damn well not going to check for the sake of this thread) but back in around season 7 or 8 it was a very depressing number.
Looking at all the cheap games I've picked up from the gamestop used pile over the years I'm not approaching anywhere near the same value for money as an STO booster pack. It's a lot to ask up front and for what is clearly just one game, but you're going to probably spend more time with that content than with Blacksite Area 51, Brink, Timeshift, Fracture, Fallout, The Force Unleashed, and Saints Row put together.
Of course the sensible option is just to manage your dil with a bit of sense and pick up the items you actually want from the c-store, but its not quite such a rip-off to put this $125 price tag on the full booster pack (especially when a few Limited Editions for the more hyped AAA console games hit the same price point and only give you an embarassing statue and one set of exclusive armor DLC, plus the standard game.)
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The same can be said for Tetris. It isn't because there's the obvious lack there of MMO mechanics. With something like Skyrim the distinction isn't as clear (there is a LOT of grinding in that game) but what it basically comes down to is that without a social environment and evolving gear, systems, stats, and content you can't exercise the full potential that having no technical limit on replays provides. Even with Mod support (which is a far cry from content like DR) you're going to run out of things to entertain yourself with in a single player RPG far sooner than with an MMO you get into (especially a F2P one where you're not trying to justify the cost every month.)
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Can the Galaxy-shaped Guardian Class use Galaxy skins?
Logic aside...
I'm not all opposed to the new look for feds, and the science ship's ability sounds freaking cool and right up my alley. Knowing I'd ante up anyway for MOST of the ships, I went ahead and bought the pack, and I hope that they'll add on a few more like they did with LoR's 124 buck pack, but frankly I'll be honest, the Title "VOYAGER" is what really made me want this.
And it's not like I don't set 150 bucks a aside a month on TRIBBLE in this game so this worked out well.
... Lesse.. something to ***** about..... HEY CRYPTIC GIVE ME THE DAUNTLESS!
There something.
LOL.
I hope it will. I'd be a shame and waste if not.
At least Venture ship parts would be nice IMO, since it is a completely new ship design and it would fit perfectly to the Guardian.
I don't think the treaty was renewed with the two romulan sucessor states (New Romulan Empire and Romulan Republic).
I agree... This isn't exclusive to Americans... It's exclusive to Zynga...
Where was DStahl working again, when he left Cryptic back then?
The U.S. site still doesn't show anything about -20%. Your link defaults to the U.S. page for me.
I mean I understand your company needs to make money but you make money off of me every month and virtually everytime I play in one form or another. As a subscriber I pay every month and I usually find something cool that I have to have at least a couple times a week.
I am really looking forward to playing Delta Rising and I did love the free give away weekend that just happened. Ever since I joined this game I have thought that the items were way over priced but I still forked over the money because I loved playing the game.
These are virtual items and will be outdated within 6 months, I made a commitment to the game when I paid my life sub but £98 is far too much for some ships. I'd rather see a massive round of bug fixing than this attempt at mugging me. This game is rapidly becoming MechWarrior Online as their packages are ridiculously overpriced too.
Sorry too rich for my blood as the card player said I'm out.
and what do you mean 'in today's economy?' unemployment is at the lowest its been in nearly a decade and the dow jones industrial has almost doubled in value over the last 6 years. i work in a bank in the loan division and home, business, and personal loans are are close to setting records.
you'll be able to buy the ships individually once the expansion goes live; just like you could with lor, so there's no reason to fret about that either.
I've got a $100 giftcard and a bit of zen!
Totally different scenarios buddy.
I look at it this way. Games are my entertainment. I work hard 6 days a week, I make money, and i couldn't get a rats tail about going to watch MLB, NBA, NFL, whatever sport things live. Usually the times I have gone, its about 100 dollars all said and done, and i'm cheap when it comes to buying stuff. You go and see a game once, about 2-3 hours. I spend less on a ship, instead of grinding, and I use it for hours and hours, and if it's really good, hell weeks maybe. I'm not different than the guy buying season passes for his favorite team, I don't look down on him for that, we just have different interests. I understand STO is F2P. I did not play it because it's F2P. I play it because it's fun. I don't mind spending money on it.