I know the Devs spent a lot of time on these designs....but those Fed ships are hideous. Hardly worth buying the pack when over half the ships are visually disappointing.
I'd recommend letting people reskin their T6 ship with a T5 skin. That way cryptic can make money both on the sale of the T6 ship AND the T5 ship and we players can fly arounx in top-of-the-line, canon, on-screen ships.
Based on the visuals alone, I'll be passing on T6 ships. =(
They've always done their best to TRIBBLE on Star Trek canon whenever possible. Why stop now?
This is more due to how Cryptic is going to balance the game. Remove any semblance of what makes the factions unique and just make everything a homogeneous pile of TRIBBLE.
Okay, first off this is a game.................an MMO....................so when it comes to games, canon, backstory...................anything is always up for grabs and also open to interpretation and debate.
Now with that aside? The Phantom Intel Escort to me doesn't seem like TRIBBLE at all. I mean heck, this is the Delta Quadrant we are talking about here 35 years later. So yeah, we have the Voth, the Borg, the Undine, plus some the other races there too. And, I wouldn't be surprised something might relate the Iconians in on this or leading up to it. Either way, as far as backstory wise like Voyager the key to this was "Adapting" the Intrepid Class to survive in the series. And now here, it is the same thing as well. The foes that the Alpha Quadrant Alliance faces is one on multiple fronts in the Delta Quadrant. So yes it is, "expected" ships would look different. And as far as Canon goes? All the Romulan and KDF seem really canon enough to me in looks. FED however? Well again they're adapting. Period.
It sounds like this pack awards three BOFFs per toon? Or is it 3 BOFFs per pack, one per faction?
It clearly says, 3 per faction, to the right of the title. Now that bit is not on the doff pack, but once again im guessing per toon, 3 for every character slot.
New home of the Romulan Republic.
I have an idea for what Season 11 should be; Season 11: The Big Bug Fix.
I have not been able to read my bug tickets in over a year, not even the tickets about not being able to see my tickets.
I find the drama of your signature proof of your immaturity, this means you, DR whiners.
So, each of the new federation ships has a cloak? It makes it seem like the federation is entering the Delta Quadrant not as explorers, but as invaders.
Yeah, remember when the Federation put a cloak on the Defiant, and invaded the Gamma Quadrant
To all the people that keep saying it's a good deal when they do the math $20/ship x8 = $160. Don't you all think $20 for a ship is already too high?
Do any of you remember the "original" F2P model and MICRO-TRANSACTIONS? Microtransactions were supposed to be very small and but have huge volume. That was the original model for the first free to play games. We never saw it. We instead moved directly to MACRO-TRANSACTIONS and all the must-have-it-now-or-ima-gonna-die folks have been feeding this practice.
I can tell you one thing for sure, if the cost of items in game were cheaper, I would buy a whole lot more of them because it feels like a value but $20 for a single ship does not. Outside of my original Lifetime membership, I have not spent a single dollar on this game because none of the Zen store items feels like a good deal to me. It's not that I don't have the money, It's more about the principle. Don't get me wrong, I have a ton of Zen store items that I bought through zen/dilly trading but if they were actually a good deal, I would have spent actual money. But if think spending $20 for a single ship is a good deal then this pack may feel like a bargain to you.
Get rid of the fluff; titles, costumes and give us what we all want and change a normal DLC price which should be no more than $49-59 USD. Maybe give me a "collector's" DLC for $69-79. Do that and I would buy because that seems about right. They may make less per transaction but I bet there would be a whole lot more transactions.
The Chinese are laughing themselves all the way to the bank by how many Americans will pay top dollar for this stuff.
I don't quite understand your argument. All current T5 ships are $20-$25. If they do the same with DR as they did with LoR, Cryptic will eventually put the DLC pack in the C-Store.
Yeah, remember when the Federation put a cloak on the Defiant, and invaded the Gamma Quadrant
True, I see where you're coming from, but that was one ship, not every ship. Oh well, with Feds flying Undine and Tholian ships, switching the entire new line of ships to cloakers isn't much of a stretch.
I can tell you one thing for sure, if the cost of items in game were cheaper, I would buy a whole lot more of them because it feels like a value but $20 for a single ship does not. Outside of my original Lifetime membership, I have not spent a single dollar on this game because none of the Zen store items feels like a good deal to me. It's not that I don't have the money, It's more about the principle. Don't get me wrong, I have a ton of Zen store items that I bought through zen/dilly trading but if they were actually a good deal, I would have spent actual money. But if think spending $20 for a single ship is a good deal then this pack may feel like a bargain to you..
Take the combination of dil and zen in considering the price. $20 is simply where it starts, and what cryptic will ultimately get for the transaction. Obviously at your end you can work your way down to a price tag of $0 via the dilithium grind but at any point along it you can jump straight to owning that c-store item with a bit of cash proportional to how much gameplay time you still need to spend. In that you can let your own sense of value dictate how much any item should be to you.
I for example spent $10 (plus dil) to get my scimitar because that's what I considered a fair price for that ship. I didn't spend anything (except dil) on my character respec's, extra boff slots, account bank because I saw those as basic services that I shouldn't have to pay real money for. Similarly I only spent $5 to pick up the modules for my fleet sovereign because that's what I thought was reasonable and I spent $0 on the FED DSD pack because I only wanted that out of a sense of novelty.
Basically I never consider how much any item is worth from its base c-store price. That's just how much cryptic is getting through the dil exchange and whatever I decided to chip in (which only sets how much time I need to spend to reach my fair price.)
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$125 for several one year old single player games.
Unlike single-player and offline games, you cannot store MMO DLC on a disc. If "Star Trek: Online" suddenly came to an end, you lose complete access to everything.
Yeah, remember when the Federation put a cloak on the Defiant, and invaded the Gamma Quadrant
Actually the Defiant was made to counter the Borg but instead used to counter the Jem Hadar and Founders. Successive ships of the Defiant class did not have cloak. So, it was never meant to invade the Gamma Quadrant.
As for the new ships, it says the Federation went into War machines mode and now are the invaders. I consider them worst then the Borg, Undine, or Voth courtesy of STO!
October 14th (it has to be in the game to be in the in-game store.)
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I bought star trek online when it first came out the digital deluxe edition.. I just came back to game yesterday.. can anyone tell me the difference in paying and not paying? and do you have to buy the new expacs to enjoy the game or is this really free to play.. sorry the forum will not let me make a new thread cause it says im new even though I got the game when it first came out..
As stated above, you are not required to purchase the Delta Rising pack for $125 to play STO. The Delta Rising Expansion itself is free to everyone meaning all missions and end game grind can be played for free by anyone as long as your character is of the appropriate level / rank.
The pack offers you a chance to purchase ships and get other stuff (Boffs, Doff, etc) at a discount instead of paying full price for each item. I have not really been following Delta Rising much. I will assume that T6 ships will cost $30 USD (3,000 Zen). Since you are getting 8 ships with the pack that alone is worth $240. Of course that assumes that you are interested enough in each individual ship to make it worth your while. If there is only one T6 ship that interest and the rest is just garbage, then it is cheaper to buy that single ship for $30 rather than spending $125 for the entire pack.
Personally, I am not interested in buying the DR pack. I will either buy the ships individually if they interest me enough or I might just wait for the DR Pack to be available in the C-Store. That would mean I can use a combination of real money to buy Zen (like the recent 15% Zen bonus) and dilithium converted to Zen to make my purchase(s).
For the time being, I will continue to use my free T5 ship (or mirror ships) when Delta Rising is released next month. I am not a DPS ***** so I am not always looking to max out the damage my ships can do. If I feel that the Delta Rising content is very challenging then there are two things I can do before resorting to buying new ships.
#1 - Install Rep Gear - My toons are doing or have done some of the rep systems. However, so far I have not felt the need to install any rep gear. My ships merely have free gear from missions or relatively inexpensive gear (probably at most 500k EC cost for a single item) purchased from the Exchange.
#2 - Slot Doffs - I have not slotted any Doff onto my bridge yet. These Doff can help reduce cool down time on bridge officer abilities, provide temporary ship power or other things to give players an advantage.
Are the consoles universal to all ships on the faction or are they ship specific?
I would imagine that like [quite nearly] all T5 consoles T6 consoles are going to be [almost entirely] ship specific. The only time we've had any real interchangability is within a particular ship's 3-pack bundle (which this won't qualify for the simple fact that the KDF and ROM have 2 and the FED have 4. It wouldn't be fair if they could share.)
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ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to continue playing the game anyway. Whereas if you want to, say, play Mass Effect without bothering with any of the DLC, it's still going to cost you per game. (I bought them new, so wound up paying circa $40 per - worth it in my opinion, but without any DLC, I'd be looking at a total of about $120 for several days' worth of gameplay - far less than I've gotten out of STO for free.)
I'll be playing Delta Rising for free, too. I don't see why all the whinging. You don't think it's worth $125 US for the ships and whatnot? Don't pay it - I won't. Where's the issue?
Not really into the look of the Fed ships aside from the "Guardian" one. Saying that, I hope you can use all the Galaxy skins on it. If I had a T6 ship I would like it to look like it came from Star Trek.
Actually the Defiant was made to counter the Borg but instead used to counter the Jem Hadar and Founders. Successive ships of the Defiant class did not have cloak. So, it was never meant to invade the Gamma Quadrant.
As for the new ships, it says the Federation went into War machines mode and now are the invaders. I consider them worst then the Borg, Undine, or Voth courtesy of STO!
Then the Borg should not have started, because now we are gonna finish it, and I'm gonna mount the Queen's head in my ready room.
So about that treaty the United Federation of Planets signed that prohibits them from developing cloaking technology? Yeah where the hell did that go and when? :P You know the one that STO lore even expressly states that cloaking technology is illegal.
The guarding cruiser looks like it could be a cool galaxy/ambassador skin but the other 3 look like fecal matter and have 0 federation design asthetic to them.
The Klingons and Romulans got nice looking ships but, damn, can you EVER get over yourselves and stop with the fed bias on development??!! You want more money out of KDF and RR stop giving the feds 4x the TRIBBLE you give the other factions and give us something to buy ffs!
I think its obvious from alot of items, the federation is not so all about the rule of law anymore, and has not been for a while.
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I have an idea for what Season 11 should be; Season 11: The Big Bug Fix.
I have not been able to read my bug tickets in over a year, not even the tickets about not being able to see my tickets.
I find the drama of your signature proof of your immaturity, this means you, DR whiners.
$125 for several one year old single player games.
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And how much time can you reasonably spend on single player games? Let's not look at something like Halo's or COD's campaign (which are geting to be laughably short these days) but at something like borderlands or even skyrim. I've spent ~40 hours in the former and ~120 in the latter. I haven't checked how much time I've spent in STO for a good long while now (and I'm damn well not going to check for the sake of this thread) but back in around season 7 or 8 it was a very depressing number.
Looking at all the cheap games I've picked up from the gamestop used pile over the years I'm not approaching anywhere near the same value for money as an STO booster pack. It's a lot to ask up front and for what is clearly just one game, but you're going to probably spend more time with that content than with Blacksite Area 51, Brink, Timeshift, Fracture, Fallout, The Force Unleashed, and Saints Row put together.
Of course the sensible option is just to manage your dil with a bit of sense and pick up the items you actually want from the c-store, but its not quite such a rip-off to put this $125 price tag on the full booster pack (especially when a few Limited Editions for the more hyped AAA console games hit the same price point and only give you an embarassing statue and one set of exclusive armor DLC, plus the standard game.)
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And how much time can you reasonably spend on single player games? Let's not look at something like Halo's or COD's campaign (which are geting to be laughably short these days) but at something like borderlands or even skyrim. I've spent ~40 hours in the former and ~120 in the latter. I haven't checked how much time I've spent in STO for a good long while now (and I'm damn well not going to check for the sake of this thread) but back in around season 7 or 8 it was a very depressing number.
Well if you play Skyrim/whatever dozens of times like you've probably done with STO STFs, you'll also be able to expand the playtime of those games ad infinitum.
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I'd recommend letting people reskin their T6 ship with a T5 skin. That way cryptic can make money both on the sale of the T6 ship AND the T5 ship and we players can fly arounx in top-of-the-line, canon, on-screen ships.
Based on the visuals alone, I'll be passing on T6 ships. =(
Okay, first off this is a game.................an MMO....................so when it comes to games, canon, backstory...................anything is always up for grabs and also open to interpretation and debate.
Now with that aside? The Phantom Intel Escort to me doesn't seem like TRIBBLE at all. I mean heck, this is the Delta Quadrant we are talking about here 35 years later. So yeah, we have the Voth, the Borg, the Undine, plus some the other races there too. And, I wouldn't be surprised something might relate the Iconians in on this or leading up to it. Either way, as far as backstory wise like Voyager the key to this was "Adapting" the Intrepid Class to survive in the series. And now here, it is the same thing as well. The foes that the Alpha Quadrant Alliance faces is one on multiple fronts in the Delta Quadrant. So yes it is, "expected" ships would look different. And as far as Canon goes? All the Romulan and KDF seem really canon enough to me in looks. FED however? Well again they're adapting. Period.
I have an idea for what Season 11 should be; Season 11: The Big Bug Fix.
I have not been able to read my bug tickets in over a year, not even the tickets about not being able to see my tickets.
I find the drama of your signature proof of your immaturity, this means you, DR whiners.
Yeah, remember when the Federation put a cloak on the Defiant, and invaded the Gamma Quadrant
I don't quite understand your argument. All current T5 ships are $20-$25. If they do the same with DR as they did with LoR, Cryptic will eventually put the DLC pack in the C-Store.
True, I see where you're coming from, but that was one ship, not every ship. Oh well, with Feds flying Undine and Tholian ships, switching the entire new line of ships to cloakers isn't much of a stretch.
"149.99 -20% 119.99"
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/game-pack/detail/718-delta-rising-operations-pack
I mean, if the other two powers of a treaty are already your enemies, than why cling to a treaty meant to pacify them?
It is only common sense that the feds are no longer bound by it.
Take the combination of dil and zen in considering the price. $20 is simply where it starts, and what cryptic will ultimately get for the transaction. Obviously at your end you can work your way down to a price tag of $0 via the dilithium grind but at any point along it you can jump straight to owning that c-store item with a bit of cash proportional to how much gameplay time you still need to spend. In that you can let your own sense of value dictate how much any item should be to you.
I for example spent $10 (plus dil) to get my scimitar because that's what I considered a fair price for that ship. I didn't spend anything (except dil) on my character respec's, extra boff slots, account bank because I saw those as basic services that I shouldn't have to pay real money for. Similarly I only spent $5 to pick up the modules for my fleet sovereign because that's what I thought was reasonable and I spent $0 on the FED DSD pack because I only wanted that out of a sense of novelty.
Basically I never consider how much any item is worth from its base c-store price. That's just how much cryptic is getting through the dil exchange and whatever I decided to chip in (which only sets how much time I need to spend to reach my fair price.)
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Its simple...
Link: List of Best Buy Games
$125 for a handful of MMO DLC items.
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$125 for two completely new single player games.
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$125 for several one year old single player games.
Unlike single-player and offline games, you cannot store MMO DLC on a disc. If "Star Trek: Online" suddenly came to an end, you lose complete access to everything.
I would put my money toward something logical.
Actually the Defiant was made to counter the Borg but instead used to counter the Jem Hadar and Founders. Successive ships of the Defiant class did not have cloak. So, it was never meant to invade the Gamma Quadrant.
As for the new ships, it says the Federation went into War machines mode and now are the invaders. I consider them worst then the Borg, Undine, or Voth courtesy of STO!
Or when they used a cloaking device on a research station to invade the Baku?
October 14th (it has to be in the game to be in the in-game store.)
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As stated above, you are not required to purchase the Delta Rising pack for $125 to play STO. The Delta Rising Expansion itself is free to everyone meaning all missions and end game grind can be played for free by anyone as long as your character is of the appropriate level / rank.
The pack offers you a chance to purchase ships and get other stuff (Boffs, Doff, etc) at a discount instead of paying full price for each item. I have not really been following Delta Rising much. I will assume that T6 ships will cost $30 USD (3,000 Zen). Since you are getting 8 ships with the pack that alone is worth $240. Of course that assumes that you are interested enough in each individual ship to make it worth your while. If there is only one T6 ship that interest and the rest is just garbage, then it is cheaper to buy that single ship for $30 rather than spending $125 for the entire pack.
Personally, I am not interested in buying the DR pack. I will either buy the ships individually if they interest me enough or I might just wait for the DR Pack to be available in the C-Store. That would mean I can use a combination of real money to buy Zen (like the recent 15% Zen bonus) and dilithium converted to Zen to make my purchase(s).
For the time being, I will continue to use my free T5 ship (or mirror ships) when Delta Rising is released next month. I am not a DPS ***** so I am not always looking to max out the damage my ships can do. If I feel that the Delta Rising content is very challenging then there are two things I can do before resorting to buying new ships.
#1 - Install Rep Gear - My toons are doing or have done some of the rep systems. However, so far I have not felt the need to install any rep gear. My ships merely have free gear from missions or relatively inexpensive gear (probably at most 500k EC cost for a single item) purchased from the Exchange.
#2 - Slot Doffs - I have not slotted any Doff onto my bridge yet. These Doff can help reduce cool down time on bridge officer abilities, provide temporary ship power or other things to give players an advantage.
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I would imagine that like [quite nearly] all T5 consoles T6 consoles are going to be [almost entirely] ship specific. The only time we've had any real interchangability is within a particular ship's 3-pack bundle (which this won't qualify for the simple fact that the KDF and ROM have 2 and the FED have 4. It wouldn't be fair if they could share.)
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ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to continue playing the game anyway. Whereas if you want to, say, play Mass Effect without bothering with any of the DLC, it's still going to cost you per game. (I bought them new, so wound up paying circa $40 per - worth it in my opinion, but without any DLC, I'd be looking at a total of about $120 for several days' worth of gameplay - far less than I've gotten out of STO for free.)
I'll be playing Delta Rising for free, too. I don't see why all the whinging. You don't think it's worth $125 US for the ships and whatnot? Don't pay it - I won't. Where's the issue?
Then the Borg should not have started, because now we are gonna finish it, and I'm gonna mount the Queen's head in my ready room.
I think its obvious from alot of items, the federation is not so all about the rule of law anymore, and has not been for a while.
I have an idea for what Season 11 should be; Season 11: The Big Bug Fix.
I have not been able to read my bug tickets in over a year, not even the tickets about not being able to see my tickets.
I find the drama of your signature proof of your immaturity, this means you, DR whiners.
Pretty simple math
And how much time can you reasonably spend on single player games? Let's not look at something like Halo's or COD's campaign (which are geting to be laughably short these days) but at something like borderlands or even skyrim. I've spent ~40 hours in the former and ~120 in the latter. I haven't checked how much time I've spent in STO for a good long while now (and I'm damn well not going to check for the sake of this thread) but back in around season 7 or 8 it was a very depressing number.
Looking at all the cheap games I've picked up from the gamestop used pile over the years I'm not approaching anywhere near the same value for money as an STO booster pack. It's a lot to ask up front and for what is clearly just one game, but you're going to probably spend more time with that content than with Blacksite Area 51, Brink, Timeshift, Fracture, Fallout, The Force Unleashed, and Saints Row put together.
Of course the sensible option is just to manage your dil with a bit of sense and pick up the items you actually want from the c-store, but its not quite such a rip-off to put this $125 price tag on the full booster pack (especially when a few Limited Editions for the more hyped AAA console games hit the same price point and only give you an embarassing statue and one set of exclusive armor DLC, plus the standard game.)
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