Not sure if it is worth the $125 as of right now. However if this is used to recoup the cost of the Voyager crew, they should have sent them home and not bothered with the voice over TRIBBLE.
I must say that $125 for DLC is such an American mindset. Only we would blow that much money at one time for a game. Sad that in today's economy, we (American's) still have that kind of disposable income.
But off my soapbox... personally I was hoping for, and still am, smaller starter boxes. I just want 1 T6 ship with some goodies. I don't need 8... Last I checked, I could only fly one at a time
Hi. Apparently I'm new here and joined in Jun 2012. Guess I'm in good company though... seems everyone else joined then too!
So apparently after all, some content arrives, it will be at least 10 new episodes in the delta quadrant , new skill tree, new single missions, kobali planet, etc.
True, but you also would get that without paying for this pack. (I'm just saying :rolleyes: )
I dont get why there is no smaller pack like they was with LOR i got that 6 weeks ish before LOR came out. When ur a family man £200 uk pounds is way to much when u have a child to pay for.
Come on dev bring one out like the LOR starter pack
Introduction of "intelligence officers" = nice. It's not far off something I and others discussed in a KDF thread many moons ago. Pity a 4th class of playable character - Intelligence Officer - wasn't introduced... I think STO needs a new playable class before it needs more ships.
Sadly, nothing about DR is appealing to me anymore.
Those T6 ships are fugly. The Scryer looks like a desperate attempt to mash the USS Vengeance with a Luna class. Fail on both counts and just unappealing. I shall be sticking to my freely upgradeable Chel Gretts, DSDs and what have you and just enjoy the challenge being "sub-optimal" brings rather than shell out a penny on that T6 garbage. Unless people can skin their ships with unlocks they already have, those are going to put a lot of Trek fans off buying them (please note I said "lot" not "all", lot is subjective).
Talaxian outfits are missing the only one I'd have bought - Tuvix starfleet-talaxian combo - so no dice there.
Titles - m'eh.
BOFFs & DOFFs - again, m'eh.
Sorry, but this was a missed opportunity to give the players something truly new - a 4th playable class. Even as a pay class (like Favoured Soul or Artificer in DDO) would have been truly awesome and something I'd have put money into.
Sorry Cryptic - no sale. Oh, and giving every T6 ship a built in cloak just gives all those forum-goers complaining about how T5U is not as good/better than T6 ammunition and confirmation that they were right.
"...we are far more united and have far more in common with each other than the things that divide us.”
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016
Step 1: Check Cryptic's ship design reject pile for ugly ships that nobody would buy.
Step 2: Tell the player base that their currently loved ships will be second rate in a few months.
Step 3: Offer the ugly ships in a bundle with some good designs held back for such an occasion, and offer the bundle at a significant (mysterious) discount.
hmm... build in cloaking
This is a slap into the face for all the people which have bought a ship that requires an universal console slot for the cloaking device.
I am sure these old ships will be best-sellers in future. *cough*
Not clear:
Is the $124.99 the discount price (so, regular price is $156.25)? OR,
Is the $124.99 the regular price, and the discounted price from now to launch is $99.99?
You know, I'm a really old piece of Targ meat. I remember having bought pc-games for 100-120 units of a currency that doesn't exist anymore, and those were games I still play to this very day. That is around 50 (or 55-60$) worth decades of fun.
Today, companies charge 150 bucks for virtual items in a free to play game. This... wouldn't have been possible "back in the day". Definitely.
I hear ya my old brother. I'm stuck in the 90's myself. If it costs more than $20 my head starts to spin.
as much as I would never purchase such a big ticket item, the fact that the price is the same as LOR leaves me very hopeful about upgrades and t6 ship prices. They might not go for the full $50 for a T6 ship.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Do you always cheer for things that are so horribly wrong?
NOT putting ships in Packs - as the only option - would be horribly wrong.
T5-U ships are fully capable of competing with T6 ships according to Cryptic, so they have a TON of ships that are already offered on a account wide basis, so the logical next step is to make this a pack thing.
There is absolutely no reason to not limit them to packs... It gets people shinies, and Cryptic money... It's good for everyone.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
Well, I see that many people disagree with Cryptic decision to give feds intelligence vessels or don't like pseudo stealth fighter look of new ships, I agree that they no longer folow smooth lines of orginal fed ships, but i think that devs could at least give option to change some of this glowing lines to window rows. On part of intelligence specialization not being on par with starfleet image can you give any alternatives that will no overbalance KDF or Romulans???
I figured a lifetime membership would carry me through this game. Guess not.
Why do you think it doesn't?
You get your Zen stipend, you may need to wait however many years, but the stuff in the package will eventually be available for Zen, except a few exclusive titles (unless the package itself also becomes avaialble for Zen, in which case yo ucan get even that).
And you can still play all the missions.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
So, each of the new federation ships has a cloak? It makes it seem like the federation is entering the Delta Quadrant not as explorers, but as invaders.
I was under the impression that DR is going to be a staggered release throughout the rest of the year...
125$ for your 'Magic Starter Pack', while several things will be changed, guaranteed, after you've bought them. Other things you will want are not yet released or retroactively included, so you still have to piece those out.
Everything about this expansion seems to be paywalled. Not being able to acquire the pack with Zen is the gleaming example. Why? Because you can grind out zen for free. They don't want your freebie zen.
Why else? Zen sales, and Zen bonus. 125$ worth of zen gets you more than 12500 zen, every time. That's good for zen buyers, not so good for selling 'Intro Packs' at manufactured retail prices.
Also I read somewhere in all this about 8 ship traits...where are you getting 8 traits? I was under the impression ship traits were based upon class and that only T6 ships get the level 5 traits. Since there are only 3 ship classes, 4 if they introduce something new, that's still less than 8. Where was it mentioned that all the traits for all the possible ships would be different?
Are you forking out cash money without even knowing what's in the bag?
I must say that $125 for DLC is such an American mindset. Only we would blow that much money at one time for a game. Sad that in today's economy, we (American's) still have that kind of disposable income.
But off my soapbox... personally I was hoping for, and still am, smaller starter boxes. I just want 1 T6 ship with some goodies. I don't need 8... Last I checked, I could only fly one at a time
It isn't the "American Way". it's the Free-To-Play way. The games have a lot of players that don't need to pay anything. They may still do, but everything can be gotten in game, even if requires a lot of grinding to get there.
The idea is that some people still pay, and somepay a lot, where others do not.
The alternative is to have a fixed cost for everyone. A monthly subsription. But that means there are people that will not even bother starting to play the game, because they don't want to pay a subscription (even if they, if they had gotten the game for free, would have actually eventually paid for some of the stuff you can buy for it). And thus, the game would have a smaller player base.
With subscription based games, everyone paid the same price. That meant for anyone that the price was too high, he wouldn't play. And anyone that would have been willing to pay more didn't, because he could not.
F2P grants a fluidity in pricing that is otherwise not possible. (And is not so easily transferable to every kind of product. For example, you couldn't sell cars for free and give away "Premium" features for money, because just producing the car itself is very costly. But a free account with free gear doesn't really amount too much cost. The creation of the whole game and its assets does, but the reproduction of an asset is cheap.)
It means some of us pay more than we may want, but we don't need to worry so easily that our favorite game dies because there aren't enough wiling to pay for a subscription, instead we get a lot of other players, and in MMOs, players are content. Even if you don't d fleet or group stuff - if you just use the exchange (Dilithium or Energy Credit), you benefit from the existence of other players.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
If I remember right the LoR pack had the same exact introductory price. We won't know what the regular price will be until after they raise it. But going by the LoR pack, it's probably gonna go up to $160, or the equivalent 16,000 zen in the c-store if they add it there later like the LoR pack.
I bought star trek online when it first came out the digital deluxe edition.. I just came back to game yesterday.. can anyone tell me the difference in paying and not paying? and do you have to buy the new expacs to enjoy the game or is this really free to play.. sorry the forum will not let me make a new thread cause it says im new even though I got the game when it first came out..
Hell I'm going to simply use my Constellation class, no upgrades or any thing, think I'll RP some....make up my own story in my head.... lol. Its just too expensive for what they are offering. My personal opinion, unique to me and by no means true, is that the new ships look nothing like anything from Star Trek. Might be nice to toss in some ships from the actual universe too, or ones that follow the basic designs laid out. And who the hell wants to dress like Neelix????? lol (last part is in jest, I know some folks cant wait.....maybe Iron Chef Delta Quandrant mission is needed?)
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Phantom intel escort= defiant without a nose
Eclipse intel cruiser= elongated promeathous
scryer intel science vessel = Luna class with dimond shaped deflector
Guardian cruiser = Envoy class w/ funky nacells
Qib Intel battlecruiser = a Bortas and Neg'var had a kid
MaHa raptor = 1000 day ship mose, Mogh neck and wings and To'kat nacells
Aelahl Lightbird = Valdore class with under arc hull
But off my soapbox... personally I was hoping for, and still am, smaller starter boxes. I just want 1 T6 ship with some goodies. I don't need 8... Last I checked, I could only fly one at a time
If I can't use any of my Zen (that I have been grinding for over a month) to buy it, then I'm not going to buy it at all, period. Sorry Cryptic.
True, but you also would get that without paying for this pack. (I'm just saying :rolleyes: )
Come on dev bring one out like the LOR starter pack
Sadly, nothing about DR is appealing to me anymore.
Those T6 ships are fugly. The Scryer looks like a desperate attempt to mash the USS Vengeance with a Luna class. Fail on both counts and just unappealing. I shall be sticking to my freely upgradeable Chel Gretts, DSDs and what have you and just enjoy the challenge being "sub-optimal" brings rather than shell out a penny on that T6 garbage. Unless people can skin their ships with unlocks they already have, those are going to put a lot of Trek fans off buying them (please note I said "lot" not "all", lot is subjective).
Talaxian outfits are missing the only one I'd have bought - Tuvix starfleet-talaxian combo - so no dice there.
Titles - m'eh.
BOFFs & DOFFs - again, m'eh.
Sorry, but this was a missed opportunity to give the players something truly new - a 4th playable class. Even as a pay class (like Favoured Soul or Artificer in DDO) would have been truly awesome and something I'd have put money into.
Sorry Cryptic - no sale. Oh, and giving every T6 ship a built in cloak just gives all those forum-goers complaining about how T5U is not as good/better than T6 ammunition and confirmation that they were right.
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016
Step 2: Tell the player base that their currently loved ships will be second rate in a few months.
Step 3: Offer the ugly ships in a bundle with some good designs held back for such an occasion, and offer the bundle at a significant (mysterious) discount.
Step 4: Profit
This is a slap into the face for all the people which have bought a ship that requires an universal console slot for the cloaking device.
I am sure these old ships will be best-sellers in future. *cough*
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Is the $124.99 the discount price (so, regular price is $156.25)? OR,
Is the $124.99 the regular price, and the discounted price from now to launch is $99.99?
Cryptic, please answer.
Still waiting to be able to use forum titles
I hear ya my old brother. I'm stuck in the 90's myself. If it costs more than $20 my head starts to spin.
as much as I would never purchase such a big ticket item, the fact that the price is the same as LOR leaves me very hopeful about upgrades and t6 ship prices. They might not go for the full $50 for a T6 ship.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Do you always cheer for things that are so horribly wrong?
As of right now, it just shows $124.99 without any comment of regular vs. sale price:
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/game-pack/detail/718-delta-rising-operations-pack
NOT putting ships in Packs - as the only option - would be horribly wrong.
T5-U ships are fully capable of competing with T6 ships according to Cryptic, so they have a TON of ships that are already offered on a account wide basis, so the logical next step is to make this a pack thing.
There is absolutely no reason to not limit them to packs... It gets people shinies, and Cryptic money... It's good for everyone.
P.S. Sorry for my English.
Why do you think it doesn't?
You get your Zen stipend, you may need to wait however many years, but the stuff in the package will eventually be available for Zen, except a few exclusive titles (unless the package itself also becomes avaialble for Zen, in which case yo ucan get even that).
And you can still play all the missions.
I am getting a "404 - Not Found" from that URL.
Don't tell me it's region restricted!
EDIT: it doesn't work even after logging in. But guess what? Using a US VPN shows me the page.
It is region restricted.
:mad:
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125$ for your 'Magic Starter Pack', while several things will be changed, guaranteed, after you've bought them. Other things you will want are not yet released or retroactively included, so you still have to piece those out.
Everything about this expansion seems to be paywalled. Not being able to acquire the pack with Zen is the gleaming example. Why? Because you can grind out zen for free. They don't want your freebie zen.
Why else? Zen sales, and Zen bonus. 125$ worth of zen gets you more than 12500 zen, every time. That's good for zen buyers, not so good for selling 'Intro Packs' at manufactured retail prices.
Also I read somewhere in all this about 8 ship traits...where are you getting 8 traits? I was under the impression ship traits were based upon class and that only T6 ships get the level 5 traits. Since there are only 3 ship classes, 4 if they introduce something new, that's still less than 8. Where was it mentioned that all the traits for all the possible ships would be different?
Are you forking out cash money without even knowing what's in the bag?
It isn't the "American Way". it's the Free-To-Play way. The games have a lot of players that don't need to pay anything. They may still do, but everything can be gotten in game, even if requires a lot of grinding to get there.
The idea is that some people still pay, and somepay a lot, where others do not.
The alternative is to have a fixed cost for everyone. A monthly subsription. But that means there are people that will not even bother starting to play the game, because they don't want to pay a subscription (even if they, if they had gotten the game for free, would have actually eventually paid for some of the stuff you can buy for it). And thus, the game would have a smaller player base.
With subscription based games, everyone paid the same price. That meant for anyone that the price was too high, he wouldn't play. And anyone that would have been willing to pay more didn't, because he could not.
F2P grants a fluidity in pricing that is otherwise not possible. (And is not so easily transferable to every kind of product. For example, you couldn't sell cars for free and give away "Premium" features for money, because just producing the car itself is very costly. But a free account with free gear doesn't really amount too much cost. The creation of the whole game and its assets does, but the reproduction of an asset is cheap.)
It means some of us pay more than we may want, but we don't need to worry so easily that our favorite game dies because there aren't enough wiling to pay for a subscription, instead we get a lot of other players, and in MMOs, players are content. Even if you don't d fleet or group stuff - if you just use the exchange (Dilithium or Energy Credit), you benefit from the existence of other players.
If I remember right the LoR pack had the same exact introductory price. We won't know what the regular price will be until after they raise it. But going by the LoR pack, it's probably gonna go up to $160, or the equivalent 16,000 zen in the c-store if they add it there later like the LoR pack.
BoP already exists you know.