"and improve your older ships so that way you can still stick with the ones you like in addition to the crazy wonderful stuff that only the tier 6 ships may have"
Straight from the source man.
Edit: Also at 25:49
To paraphrase, there's a level for pre-power creep and post-power creep, then there's a level for X2 that's beyond power creep, and anything that was at the pre- or post-power creep levels won't matter. Taking the previous quote into consideration, this implies that the ships you like will matter because they won't exist in the pre- or post-power creep levels any more.
Nice little quote, even if your interpretation is a little off.
"give players new ships to play with but not invalidate older ships, so your existing ships will still be valid, and it's a little complicated and coy on how exactly that's actually going to work, but you will be able to invest in your new ship and improve your old ships so that way you can still stick with one that you like, in addition to enjoy the crazy wonderful stuff that only the tier 6 ships may have. So that you will still enjoy old ones and still hopefully say "I still want the awesome tier 6 cruiser because it has something that no one else has."
The upgrading of exisiting T5 ships will be possible, but not to the level of tier 6 ships. So if I want to upgrade my T5 ship, I can; but it won't be completely equal to a tier 6 ship, but that's ok, cause if I really want a tier 6 capable ship, I can get one of the new ships.
And his comments on the power creep and difficulty level being balanced against the new stuff, and if you are using the old stuff... "Good luck." (with a little laugh as he said it).
"I'm not big on telepaths myself. I'm not big on guns either. But if everyone else has them, I want to make sure I can get my hands on the biggest one I can."
He was obviously referring to the fact that if you're using the mark 12 gear from vanilla you will not easily romp through the DR mark 14 level content. Which is perfectly reasonable and comparable to any other game out there that releases an expansion with a level cap increase.
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They have given away free ships as part of previous giveaways, but the blog post doesn't specifically say.
"Release" implies new, which implies "C-Store", but I guess we'll find out soon enough. If it's not T6, and I can't imagine that it would be, then free would be a good move on their part. They have to make money though, so...
I wouldn't mind seeing some free Romulan ships, either.
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Yep. The last time with Ships they gave away the Yellowstone Runabout, To'Duj Fighter, Gladius Escort Refit, SuQob Raptor, Nebula Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit, and Marauder Flight-Deck Cruiser. I was able to claim all but the Nebula Retrofit myself as I already had that one.
"give players new ships to play with but not invalidate older ships, so your existing ships will still be valid, and it's a little complicated and coy on how exactly that's actually going to work, but you will be able to invest in your new ship and improve your old ships so that way you can still stick with one that you like, in addition to enjoy the crazy wonderful stuff that only the tier 6 ships may have. So that you will still enjoy old ones and still hopefully say "I still want the awesome tier 6 cruiser because it has something that no one else has."
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I had no biased interpretation of that.
The upgrading of exisiting T5 ships will be possible, but not to the level of tier 6 ships. So if I want to upgrade my T5 ship, I can; but it won't be completely equal to a tier 6 ship, but that's ok, cause if I really want a tier 6 capable ship, I can get one of the new ships.
Still don't know where you're getting that claim. He definitely didn't say it in that video. It contradicts what Geko explained that he's pushing for in terms of ship balance.
Though I could've missed it. Could you cite your source?
And his comments on the power creep and difficulty level being balanced against the new stuff, and if you are using the old stuff... "Good luck." (with a little laugh as he said it).
Taken straight from the source, he states, straight up, that all your TRIBBLE will be utterly worthless because you must be this tall to ride. With POINTY HAND GESTURES, even.
Where at in the video? I never noticed anything like that.
He was obviously referring to the fact that if you're using the mark 12 gear from vanilla you will not easily romp through the DR mark 14 level content. Which is perfectly reasonable and comparable to any other game out there that releases an expansion with a level cap increase.
"When everything is balanced for Tier 6 ships and Mk XIV gear, good luck! <with double thumbs up>
Yes, I obviously misunderstood him.
"I'm not big on telepaths myself. I'm not big on guns either. But if everyone else has them, I want to make sure I can get my hands on the biggest one I can."
Still don't know where you're getting that claim. He definitely didn't say it in that video. It contradicts what Geko explained that he's pushing for in terms of ship balance.
Though I could've missed it. Could you cite your source?
Will have to search, but I do recall it posted in the past couple of weeks that the upgraded Tier 5 would not be fully upgradeable to Tier 6. It doesn't really contradict his ship balance goal. He stated that the new stuff will be balanced against the Tier 6 stuff. Keeping the Tier 5 not fully upgradeable doesn't stop that.
Nothing really, just that it further reinforces players fears that the older ships will be less then competitive. As it is now, Tier 4 ships are supposed to be competitive with endgame content. How many Tier 4 ships do you see used regularly ingame by lvl 50 characters?
"I'm not big on telepaths myself. I'm not big on guns either. But if everyone else has them, I want to make sure I can get my hands on the biggest one I can."
Will have to search, but I do recall it posted in the past couple of weeks that the upgraded Tier 5 would not be fully upgradeable to Tier 6. It doesn't really contradict his ship balance goal. He stated that the new stuff will be balanced against the Tier 6 stuff. Keeping the Tier 5 not fully upgradeable doesn't stop that.
Tier 5 is everything we have now. If new things are introduced that is superior without upgrading our current stuff, there will be imbalance. Yes, it directly contradicts that.
Nothing really, just that it further reinforces players fears that the older ships will be less then competitive. As it is now, Tier 4 ships are supposed to be competitive with endgame content. How many Tier 4 ships do you see used regularly ingame by lvl 50 characters?
No it doesn't. Unless you apply confirmation bias to it. Taking it at face value doesn't imply anything at all, as that statement was too vague to get any real information out of.
Where at in the video? I never noticed anything like that.
At that very 25:49-ish mark that you linked to! He made it quite apparent, drawing it out with his hands: Your gear is here, you need to be here. It quite clearly demonstrates that everything you own is worthless.
At that very 25:49-ish mark that you linked to! He made it quite apparent, drawing it out with his hands: Your gear is here, you need to be here. It quite clearly demonstrates that everything you own is worthless.
He didn't say not imply anything like that around that time in the video. We ARE watching the same video, right?
At that very 25:49-ish mark that you linked to! He made it quite apparent, drawing it out with his hands: Your gear is here, you need to be here. It quite clearly demonstrates that everything you own is worthless.
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Exact words, no paraphrasing(stuttering included lol) "Right... because so so now we get a chance to rebalance the game for up here so... all those players now... when they when they with how, with all their power creep and all their uh... all their all their gear... and now when everything is balanced for tier 6 ships with MkXIV gear... GOOD LUCK!"
I have no idea how you could get "he states, straight up, that all your TRIBBLE will be utterly worthless because you must be this tall to ride. With POINTY HAND GESTURES, even" out of that at all.
Okay... could you give a time frame on that video where he says that? I can't find it.
Doffingcomrade has already pointed it out. Yes, we were watching the same video. Did you stop watching after you heard what you wanted to hear? You might want to watch again, at least up to the part where he give the double thumbs up.
Tier 5 is everything we have now. If new things are introduced that is superior without upgrading our current stuff, there will be imbalance. Yes, it directly contradicts that.
The new content is going to be balanced against the Tier 6 ships and Mk XIV gear. He said that right before the double thumbs up. As Tier 5 ships are going to be below Tier 6 ships, it will still be balanced... for Tier 6 ships.
No it doesn't. Unless you apply confirmation bias to it. Taking it at face value doesn't imply anything at all, as that statement was too vague to get any real information out of.
No bias needs to be applied. His words and body language pretty much implies that. I'm not in one camp or another, to be honest, in the end I will either get a Tier 6 ship or I won't. But based on the little bit of information that has been given, there are more points showing that the Tier 5 ships will not be competitive. Without more information on the upgrade process and the end results, it is unkown. And people fear what they do not know.
"I'm not big on telepaths myself. I'm not big on guns either. But if everyone else has them, I want to make sure I can get my hands on the biggest one I can."
Doffingcomrade has already pointed it out. Yes, we were watching the same video. Did you stop watching after you heard what you wanted to hear? You might want to watch again, at least up to the part where he give the double thumbs up.
Read my previous post. I quoted him EXACTLY, word-for-word, and he never hinted at that at all.
The new content is going to be balanced against the Tier 6 ships and Mk XIV gear. He said that right before the double thumbs up. As Tier 5 ships are going to be below Tier 6 ships, it will still be balanced... for Tier 6 ships.
Oh. I see. You're completely ignoring the possibility that our tier 5 ships and Mk XII gear will be converted in some way to tier 6 ships/Mk XIV gear. You just think what we have now is the end of the road for our stuff. Which of course ignores what Geko said about upgrades at STLV(see the post in the link above), in interviews, and just guessing here, probably even some posts here on the forums.
No bias needs to be applied. His words and body language pretty much implies that. I'm not in one camp or another, to be honest, in the end I will either get a Tier 6 ship or I won't. But based on the little bit of information that has been given, there are more points showing that the Tier 5 ships will not be competitive. Without more information on the upgrade process and the end results, it is unkown. And people fear what they do not know.
Yeah, the tier 5 ships as tier 5 ships. Again, ignoring any possibility of them being upgraded.
Exact words, no paraphrasing(stuttering included lol) "Right... because so so now we get a chance to rebalance the game for up here so... all those players now... when they when they with how, with all their power creep and all their uh... all their all their gear... and now when everything is balanced for tier 6 ships with MkXIV gear... GOOD LUCK!"
I have no idea how you could get "he states, straight up, that all your TRIBBLE will be utterly worthless because you must be this tall to ride. With POINTY HAND GESTURES, even" out of that at all.
You quoted the very section! What is hard to understand about it? It was illustrated quite clearly in his very hand gestures: "You are here _, you must be this tall to ride".
what is it that people do not get our T5s T5.5s lobi lockbox ships well be upgradeable BUT we won't get the full T6 upgrade we well be T5.9 upgradeable to not be obsolete and competive.
Oh. I see. You're completely ignoring the possibility that our tier 5 ships and Mk XII gear will be converted in some way to tier 6 ships/Mk XIV gear. You just think what we have now is the end of the road for our stuff. Which of course ignores what Geko said about upgrades at STLV(see the post in the link above), in interviews, and just guessing here, probably even some posts here on the forums.
Who's the one cherry picking now...?
Yeah, the tier 5 ships as tier 5 ships. Again, ignoring any possibility of them being upgraded.
Not cherry picking anything. I did mention that the Tier 5 ships will be upgradeable, just not to full Tier 6 capabilities. And no I haven't found the post that states that yet either. It will probably be in the same thread that you will inevitably link to stating that the Tier 5 ships will upgradeable.
"I'm not big on telepaths myself. I'm not big on guns either. But if everyone else has them, I want to make sure I can get my hands on the biggest one I can."
I am very curious to see how those upgrades work. I am almost positive that we will not see the Intel BO seating on any upgraded ship. Most T5 ships have 9 console slots and T5.5 have 10. Personally, the 10th doesn't make a whole lot of difference on most ships but an extra can definitely be useful if it is in the right group. Will a T5 get 2 console slots for an upgrade and T5.5 ships only get one? Will either of them get any at all? It sounds like a lot of work for the team to go back and redo every ship layout for T5 and T5.5 than they want to bother with. I am going to say T5 and T5.5 ships will not get either of those features in whatever the upgrade process is.
With hull hit points and some other things scaling from the point of level 50 to level 60, I think these are what the team mean by upgrades. From what I have read as well, the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship is the only lock box ship getting fully T6 upgraded. I have no idea what that is but it doesn't seem like a very good move if it's true in my opinion.
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Exact words, no paraphrasing(stuttering included lol) "Right... because so so now we get a chance to rebalance the game for up here so... all those players now... when they when they with how, with all their power creep and all their uh... all their all their gear... and now when everything is balanced for tier 6 ships with MkXIV gear... GOOD LUCK!"
I have no idea how you could get "he states, straight up, that all your TRIBBLE will be utterly worthless because you must be this tall to ride. With POINTY HAND GESTURES, even" out of that at all.
So, he straight out says that the new content will be balanced for Tier 6 ships and MK XIV gear, but you don't think that means a major diminuation of the efficacy of tier 5 ships with MK XII gear?
Hmm a well-known starship... the Dauntless? Before I invest into another Tier 5 ship you really have to tell me exactly how it will perform compared to Tier 6 ships...
Exactly, need more details on T5 upgrades before I buy anymore ships, UNLESS it's a t6 ship.
Well known ship heh? Maybe its a t6 Intrepid, they've been working on the current model right?
Also free C-Store giveaways are usually pretty good.
I'm kinda meh, on the constellation myself, but correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the constellation just a skin to an already existing ship ? (the heavy cruiser ?), or was ?
They've mentioned ships being upgradable, and there's been leaked evidence of an upgrade path for mark 12 gear.
Yes, current gear will no longer be endgame, but Cryptic's given plenty of indications that they don't expect you to replace all your gear.
Still don't know where you're getting that claim. He definitely didn't say it in that video. It contradicts what Geko explained that he's pushing for in terms of ship balance.
Though I could've missed it. Could you cite your source?
Source is actually Al Rivera himself. He made the statement at the STLV Q&A. I am on my phone so I can't provide the link to the video or the time index right now, but it is there.
"I'm not big on telepaths myself. I'm not big on guns either. But if everyone else has them, I want to make sure I can get my hands on the biggest one I can."
They've mentioned, briefly, that there will be an upgrade process, that it wont use crafting and that the final result will not be a full equal of a T6 ship.
Please stop spreading misinformation.
There's been no explanation.
Actually what they said was that you'll be able to use your old ships just as effectively as the new T6 ships, but they won't get the neat new bells and whistles the T6 ships will have.
So, he straight out says that the new content will be balanced for Tier 6 ships and MK XIV gear, but you don't think that means a major diminuation of the efficacy of tier 5 ships with MK XII gear?
Not when you take into consideration that we've also been told our old T5's will be competitive with T6's, no.
Obviously we're still waiting on a dev blog to tell us about the specifics of this, so we don't know just how competitive "competitive" actually means, but since it's hilariously obvious that out and out casting the overwhelming bulk of your ships into obsolescence would be lunacy, I tend to think it won't be as dismal as some seem to think.
If my Mk XII gear is not upgradeable, my heart won't be entirely broken... HOWEVER, if they made all of it account-tradeable, then at least my alts could use the Mk XII gear that I would pass down to them...
That would be nice...
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-> anyway, we've left the original topic of conversation. There may be a Constallation, but it'll be a C-Store version of the T3-4 cruisers that are already in-game... The Dauntless would seem more appropriate...
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Not when you take into consideration that we've also been told our old T5's will be competitive with T6's, no.
Obviously we're still waiting on a dev blog to tell us about the specifics of this, so we don't know just how competitive "competitive" actually means, but since it's hilariously obvious that out and out casting the overwhelming bulk of your ships into obsolescence would be lunacy, I tend to think it won't be as dismal as some seem to think.
Oh, I do agree we may be looking at a tiny difference between a true tier 6 and an upgraded tier 5.
Thing is, we haven't had a completely consistent message on this.
Until we do, all of it good and bad, reasoned and hysterical is all speculation and equally adrift from reality.
As to the last point, it absolutely would be hilariously obvious to thinking people that making all those tier 5 ships functionally obsolete is a bad idea.
just as to those with any experience in PR, the way they've gone about revealing stuff about X2 since STLV has been truly appalingly bad.
Cryptic, like any other entity, is capable of making mistakes and some of them are going to be doozies.
I really, really hope this isnt going to be one of those sort of mistakes and that all of the argybargy is down to just bad PR and CM.
Cryptic/PWE, word of advice on what you wrote:
"well list the eligibility requirements for each item in a later news post"
The blog post should have included that information.
While we're clamoring to learn more, you're barraging us with too many blogs containing "{redacted}" or other non-descriptive nonsense.
It's an unfortunate (even amateurish) attempt at marketing. Which saddens me, as I usually enjoy the graphics and text content which is delivered in past blog entries.
Agreed. The graphics style is cool now, but the blogs themselves are just a series of nigh-meaningless teasers coupled with a few hints of really bad new ideas (and a few decent ones).
A giveaway is always nice & a release of a "known" ship does make me at least curious. But unless someone on Cryptics side completely spills the beans on all details regarding T5 to T6 (or T5 to be competitive to T6) ships my wallet is closed and locked away. I hope you guys do understand that given the circumstances.
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Nice little quote, even if your interpretation is a little off.
"give players new ships to play with but not invalidate older ships, so your existing ships will still be valid, and it's a little complicated and coy on how exactly that's actually going to work, but you will be able to invest in your new ship and improve your old ships so that way you can still stick with one that you like, in addition to enjoy the crazy wonderful stuff that only the tier 6 ships may have. So that you will still enjoy old ones and still hopefully say "I still want the awesome tier 6 cruiser because it has something that no one else has."
The upgrading of exisiting T5 ships will be possible, but not to the level of tier 6 ships. So if I want to upgrade my T5 ship, I can; but it won't be completely equal to a tier 6 ship, but that's ok, cause if I really want a tier 6 capable ship, I can get one of the new ships.
And his comments on the power creep and difficulty level being balanced against the new stuff, and if you are using the old stuff... "Good luck." (with a little laugh as he said it).
"Release" implies new, which implies "C-Store", but I guess we'll find out soon enough. If it's not T6, and I can't imagine that it would be, then free would be a good move on their part. They have to make money though, so...
I wouldn't mind seeing some free Romulan ships, either.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure I had no biased interpretation of that.
Still don't know where you're getting that claim. He definitely didn't say it in that video. It contradicts what Geko explained that he's pushing for in terms of ship balance.
Though I could've missed it. Could you cite your source?
...so what?
Where at in the video? I never noticed anything like that.
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"When everything is balanced for Tier 6 ships and Mk XIV gear, good luck! <with double thumbs up>
Yes, I obviously misunderstood him.
You only quoted part of his statement, which didn't include other pertinent information.
Didn't say you were biased. With the full quote, he is obviously stating that the two will not be equal.
Will have to search, but I do recall it posted in the past couple of weeks that the upgraded Tier 5 would not be fully upgradeable to Tier 6. It doesn't really contradict his ship balance goal. He stated that the new stuff will be balanced against the Tier 6 stuff. Keeping the Tier 5 not fully upgradeable doesn't stop that.
Nothing really, just that it further reinforces players fears that the older ships will be less then competitive. As it is now, Tier 4 ships are supposed to be competitive with endgame content. How many Tier 4 ships do you see used regularly ingame by lvl 50 characters?
Tier 5 is everything we have now. If new things are introduced that is superior without upgrading our current stuff, there will be imbalance. Yes, it directly contradicts that.
No it doesn't. Unless you apply confirmation bias to it. Taking it at face value doesn't imply anything at all, as that statement was too vague to get any real information out of.
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I have no idea how you could get "he states, straight up, that all your TRIBBLE will be utterly worthless because you must be this tall to ride. With POINTY HAND GESTURES, even" out of that at all.
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Doffingcomrade has already pointed it out. Yes, we were watching the same video. Did you stop watching after you heard what you wanted to hear? You might want to watch again, at least up to the part where he give the double thumbs up.
The new content is going to be balanced against the Tier 6 ships and Mk XIV gear. He said that right before the double thumbs up. As Tier 5 ships are going to be below Tier 6 ships, it will still be balanced... for Tier 6 ships.
No bias needs to be applied. His words and body language pretty much implies that. I'm not in one camp or another, to be honest, in the end I will either get a Tier 6 ship or I won't. But based on the little bit of information that has been given, there are more points showing that the Tier 5 ships will not be competitive. Without more information on the upgrade process and the end results, it is unkown. And people fear what they do not know.
Also, I pointed the same thing Doffingcomrade pointed out in the same post he claimed ignored it.
Oh. I see. You're completely ignoring the possibility that our tier 5 ships and Mk XII gear will be converted in some way to tier 6 ships/Mk XIV gear. You just think what we have now is the end of the road for our stuff. Which of course ignores what Geko said about upgrades at STLV(see the post in the link above), in interviews, and just guessing here, probably even some posts here on the forums.
Who's the one cherry picking now...?
Yeah, the tier 5 ships as tier 5 ships. Again, ignoring any possibility of them being upgraded.
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Not cherry picking anything. I did mention that the Tier 5 ships will be upgradeable, just not to full Tier 6 capabilities. And no I haven't found the post that states that yet either. It will probably be in the same thread that you will inevitably link to stating that the Tier 5 ships will upgradeable.
With hull hit points and some other things scaling from the point of level 50 to level 60, I think these are what the team mean by upgrades. From what I have read as well, the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship is the only lock box ship getting fully T6 upgraded. I have no idea what that is but it doesn't seem like a very good move if it's true in my opinion.
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So, he straight out says that the new content will be balanced for Tier 6 ships and MK XIV gear, but you don't think that means a major diminuation of the efficacy of tier 5 ships with MK XII gear?
Exactly, need more details on T5 upgrades before I buy anymore ships, UNLESS it's a t6 ship.
Well known ship heh? Maybe its a t6 Intrepid, they've been working on the current model right?
I'm kinda meh, on the constellation myself, but correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the constellation just a skin to an already existing ship ? (the heavy cruiser ?), or was ?
Or is this a completely new ship?
The free C store stuff is much appreciated though
Yes, current gear will no longer be endgame, but Cryptic's given plenty of indications that they don't expect you to replace all your gear.
Source is actually Al Rivera himself. He made the statement at the STLV Q&A. I am on my phone so I can't provide the link to the video or the time index right now, but it is there.
Actually what they said was that you'll be able to use your old ships just as effectively as the new T6 ships, but they won't get the neat new bells and whistles the T6 ships will have.
So, hull bump? Pretty much guaranteed.
BOFF seating enhancement, most likely.
Weapon/Console bump? Probably.
Not when you take into consideration that we've also been told our old T5's will be competitive with T6's, no.
Obviously we're still waiting on a dev blog to tell us about the specifics of this, so we don't know just how competitive "competitive" actually means, but since it's hilariously obvious that out and out casting the overwhelming bulk of your ships into obsolescence would be lunacy, I tend to think it won't be as dismal as some seem to think.
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That would be nice...
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-> anyway, we've left the original topic of conversation. There may be a Constallation, but it'll be a C-Store version of the T3-4 cruisers that are already in-game... The Dauntless would seem more appropriate...
Oh, I do agree we may be looking at a tiny difference between a true tier 6 and an upgraded tier 5.
Thing is, we haven't had a completely consistent message on this.
Until we do, all of it good and bad, reasoned and hysterical is all speculation and equally adrift from reality.
As to the last point, it absolutely would be hilariously obvious to thinking people that making all those tier 5 ships functionally obsolete is a bad idea.
just as to those with any experience in PR, the way they've gone about revealing stuff about X2 since STLV has been truly appalingly bad.
Cryptic, like any other entity, is capable of making mistakes and some of them are going to be doozies.
I really, really hope this isnt going to be one of those sort of mistakes and that all of the argybargy is down to just bad PR and CM.
Agreed. The graphics style is cool now, but the blogs themselves are just a series of nigh-meaningless teasers coupled with a few hints of really bad new ideas (and a few decent ones).
I agree with this entirely.
That's probably the idea, unfortunately. It would make no sense to release a T6 ship before the content that goes with it anyway...