So you're telling me that my Wells Temporal Science vessel I spent years grind 200 million for will be outdated and inferior!?
Yes/no/maybe:P
Yes there will be a new Tier of Ships with more abilities/powers than the Wells
No - it all depends of how you consider "outdated" - if you can still blast through 100% of the games content - is the ship "outdated"
Maybe - There is too much missing info right now, but it stands to reason that the new Tier 6 class/line will be "better" in some way to make people want to buy them.
I wonder if they are being particularly vague - not because they can't say more right now - but because they want to see what some of the reaction is first before they make the final decisions. However, they are known for just going ahead and doing things which are unpopular without any real "testing the waters" first.
Exhibit A => Crafting ... they're going ahead with this full steam. Geko went on record as saying that people complaining about Doff GUI were all rambling and no useful feedback was posted on tribble forum. That the lead dev gets away with spreading falsehoods this way should make you wary of anything they say and do.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Yes there will be a new Tier of Ships with more abilities/powers than the Wells
No - it all depends of how you consider "outdated" - if you can still blast through 100% of the games content - is the ship "outdated"
Maybe - There is too much missing info right now, but it stands to reason that the new Tier 6 class/line will be "better" in so way to make people want to buy them.
People buy lock box ships because they are the best. Having a new Tier 6 mechanic which won't be available to any Tier 5.x ships, including lockboxes, automatically makes them obsolete. Tier 4 ships are also perfectly usable in game but hardily anyone flies them. So that argument is specious.
Make no mistake. These devs push the envelope when introducing new features and power creep. You have crafting as the latest example. So yes, all ships ... all ships are obsolete when Tier 6 counterparts become available.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
No - it all depends of how you consider "outdated" - if you can still blast through 100% of the games content - is the ship "outdated"
except in the recent stoked interview geko claimed that powercreep wont be a problem any more come expansion time, suggesting that yes, that wells will likely not perform as well in the new content.
Exhibit A => Crafting ... they're going ahead with this full steam. Geko went on record as saying that people complaining about Doff GUI were all rambling and no useful feedback was posted on tribble forum. That the lead dev gets away with spreading falsehoods this way should make you wary of anything they say and do.
Well in fairness - crafting in any form - is a tiny tiny piece of STO - ships are the Heart of the game. If they don't tread carefully or listen to feedback on this change - then that would be very bad.
I think Al gave up on the Forums some time ago - I don't think he really went through the tribble feedback and said "this is all ranting so I will ignore it" - I bet he took a small amount of time to read it, however, when you already have a negative impression of the forums and see 10 "rants" for every 1 constructive feedback - the "rants" will completely overshadow anything else.
My feeling is this: He's passionate about his Job/work and I don't think he can handle the negative feedback to well - so he avoids it for the most part.
That said - he really really should pay particular attention to feedback/concerns about the ship changes - this is a make or break change for this game.
There will be T6 cruisers, science vessels, etc. There will ALSO be something new.
Something new. Hmmm...
Intelligently thought out way to not anger most of the players? :rolleyes: (never seen that yet)
Trade in credit for all the obsolete T5.5 C-store ships? (tally my spending and give me 50% credit)
An awesome sale on soon to be obsolete C-store ships in September? (If I was a betting man, I'd bet on this.)
All I know is, with the announcement of T6, Cryptic isn't selling ANY pay-to-get ships anytime soon. Who's going to spend $50 on something that is 100% going to be junk in 2 months? (other than to the ignorant noob)
Hell, even the lockbox ships prices should start trend down now. Peeps gotta sell them before October or get stuck with junk.
wait special abilities? so my 2nd del on a sci ship will only be on a t6 ship?
Nope...you won't be seeing Secondary Deflectors before you see T6 ships. Might not see Secondary Deflectors by this time next year, based on the way they answered the question.
Though it will be interesting to see if each T6 ship has its own selection of specials.
except in the recent stoked interview geko claimed that powercreep wont be a problem any more come expansion time, suggesting that yes, that wells will likely not perform as well in the new content.
"Content" is also a relative term when talking about how one of the games current top ships performs. There really is no "Hard" content in STO and I seriously doubt that truly "Hard" content is coming with the expansion.
So the Wells will get an upgrade - just like all the existing ships. Will it have the "new" powers and abilities of the Tier 6 ships - NO it won't. This still does not mean that it won't be blasting through the games "content"
The only place this would be a serious concern is PvP and we all know how much they care about PvP.
Intelligently thought out way to not anger most of the players? :rolleyes: (no evidence yet)
Trade in credit for all the obsolete T5.5 C-store ships? (tally my spending and give me 50% credit)
An awesome sale on soon to be obsolete C-store ships in September? (If I was a betting man, I'd bet on this.)
All I know is, with the announcement of T6, Cryptic isn't selling ANY pay-to-get ships anytime soon. Who's going to spend $50 on something that is 100% going to be junk in 2 months? (other than to the ignorant noob)
Hell, even the lockbox ships prices should start trend down now. Peeps gotta sell them before October or get stuck with junk.
Absolutely. Don't forget about those MK XII 200 million crafted science consoles on exchange. Those are junk too with X2. I am going to warn all my fleet mates to save their EC and cash.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
I'm not discussing the means and way to upgrade the T5 ships to T6, but the fact that spacebaronline is quoting from Geko here - that T6 ships will have "special" abilities that the upgarded ships will not.
Unless this "special" abilities are mere novelty similar like the DSD Boff switch, that means my favourite ships in the game will never be able to be at that 'top level'.
It's baseless disappointment, Federation and KDF captains don't have access to the singularity powers of Romulan warbirds, but that does not automaticly make warbirds better.
Everywhere I look, people are screaming about how bad Cryptic is.
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
Nope...you won't be seeing Secondary Deflectors before you see T6 ships. Might not see Secondary Deflectors by this time next year, based on the way they answered the question.
Though it will be interesting to see if each T6 ship has its own selection of specials.
Yes. People seem to assume that Cryptic is somehow going to be more generous this time around. 2nd deflector is probably one of the new abilities limited to Tier 6 only. Tier 5 science vessel ... too bad!
But no ... the critics on the forum are the problem! :rolleyes:
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
All I know is, with the announcement of T6, Cryptic isn't selling ANY pay-to-get ships anytime soon. Who's going to spend $50 on something that is 100% going to be junk in 2 months? (other than to the ignorant noob)
Me! I'm going to be that ignorant noob! Okay, maybe not the ignorant noob...the insane former KDF guy that's going to roll a single Fed and buy a single ship so I get screwed on the single ship and pretend that I didn't get screwed on all the KDF ships I've bought. It's a coping mechanism! :P
It's been discussed in the past for playable Jupiters and Typhoons. It was said in the past that it was possible if there was another level hike, provided that there was enough player support for it. They would have to get the same graphical and mechanical treatment as theScimitar, when it went from NPC to player ship.
As much as I would love it to happen with the jump to T6, I'm not gonna hold my breath.
I dont mind the idea of an update. What I do mind is being told I have to pay extra on top of what I paid for a c-store ship to bring it up to par per ship. Sadly this has been going on for a long time with the advent of fleet ships. I figure it will be just about the same thing for this update. For the none 10 console ships pay 5 bucks if you want a fleet version and 5 bucks more for 6.0, for the one that come with the fleet stuff built in pay just 5 bucks more to get it to 6.0.
Hope Im wrong and its not per ship. You just pay a 1 time fee or do something most likely involving dilithium unlock something and it affect all the ships of that type on your account. As in all the vestas or avengers or odysseys you pull out of the c-store come upgraded. I also really hope regardless it does not involve the new crafting system.
Also any word on if this would bring about the other thing they had always talked about. Where you would promote your bofs to captains and they would command their own ships and you tell them what to do like a proper admiral?
Yes. People seem to assume that Cryptic is somehow going to be more generous this time around. 2nd deflector is probably one of the new abilities limited to Tier 6 only. Tier 5 science vessel ... too bad!
But no ... the critics on the forum are the problem! :rolleyes:
No, it was asked and answered...
With Delta Rising? No.
By this time next year? Don't want to give a hard date.
Secondary Deflectors might arrive just before the PvP Update.
But the T6 Sci Ship will probably have something better anyway...and then still get the Secondary Deflector when it comes out a decade or so from now.
The simple fact is that if they aren't "better" in some fashion no one will buy them. And I sincerely doubt they will be better looking. That's the truth no matter how the PR team spins it.
It's baseless disappointment, Federation and KDF captains don't have access to the singularity powers of Romulan warbirds, but that does not automaticly make warbirds better.
Terrible analogy. Singularity cores are given in exchange for 40 power. Now you may argue that they are worth the trade off (I agree btw) but there is a trade off. It is an "alternate" not an upgrade.
Tier 6 is a vertical upgrade that you CAN'T PAY TO UPGRADE. You have to acquire from SCRATCH! That is the difference.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
I don’t mind the idea of an update. What I do mind is being told I have to pay extra on top of what I paid for a c-store ship to bring it up to par per ship. Sadly this has been going on for a long time with the advent of fleet ships. I figure it will be just about the same thing for this update. For the none 10 console ships pay 5 bucks if you want a fleet version and 5 bucks more for 6.0, for the one that come with the fleet stuff built in pay just 5 bucks more to get it to 6.0.
Hope I’m wrong and it’s not per ship. You just pay a 1 time fee or do something most likely involving dilithium unlock something and it affect all the ships of that type on your account. As in all the vesta’s or avengers or odysseys you pull out of the c-store come upgraded. I also really hope regardless it does not involve the new crafting system.
Also any word on if this would bring about the other thing they had always talked about. Where you would promote your bof’s to captains and they would command their own ships and you tell them what to do like a proper admiral?
There has been ZERO comments from the Devs about the upgrade process - it could cost nothing at all;)
That said - you are NOT upgrading your old T5 ships to T6 - they were very specific about that.
With Delta Rising? No.
By this time next year? Don't want to give a hard date.
Secondary Deflectors might arrive just before the PvP Update.
But the T6 Sci Ship will probably have something better anyway...and then still get the Secondary Deflector when it comes out a decade or so from now.
LOL. I can believe that last statement. Sad to see some people on the forum actually think PvP is getting an update soon. Nice trolling there Cryptic. GG!
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Terrible analogy. Singularity cores are given in exchange for 40 power. Now you may argue that they are worth the trade off (I agree btw) but there is a trade off. It is an "alternate" not an upgrade.
Tier 6 is a vertical upgrade that you CAN'T PAY TO UPGRADE. You have to acquire from SCRATCH! That is the difference.
There will be money involved or Cryptic wouldn't have done it.
"Content" is also a relative term when talking about how one of the games current top ships performs. There really is no "Hard" content in STO and I seriously doubt that truly "Hard" content is coming with the expansion.
So the Wells will get an upgrade - just like all the existing ships. Will it have the "new" powers and abilities of the Tier 6 ships - NO it won't. This still does not mean that it won't be blasting through the games "content"
The only place this would be a serious concern is PvP and we all know how much they care about PvP.
except geko clearly stated that powercreep will no longer be an issue in x2. that suggests pretty strongly that 'hard' or not, the new content will require something more. something that the powercreep alone does not overcome.
It's baseless disappointment, Federation and KDF captains don't have access to the singularity powers of Romulan warbirds, but that does not automaticly make warbirds better.
There has been ZERO comments about the upgrade process - it could cost nothing at all;)
That said - you are NOT upgrading your old T5 ships to T6 - they were very specific about that.
Glad to see you contradict yourself there. Exactly, no upgrade. The best that will happen is they will boost T5 stats to keep them competitive. But it was said specifically that Tier 6 will have unique abilities not available to T5.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
If T6 ships are really becoming a reality, I'd like to suggest a couple things that will make me less furious about spending all of that cash I blew on what I thought were the highest end ships since 2009.
1. Don't pee on my leg and tell me its raining. Upgrading a T5 to a sub par 5.5 doesn't interest me. Instead, give me a free version like the oddy and bort before the 3 pack launch and I'll be happy. Make me grind for it, and I will lose my 5#!7.
2. We're going to need another ship slot increase please. Don't think for a second that you'll be able to 'double dip' on T6 purchases AND a service purchase for more slots without upsetting everyone even more.
3. When peeps hit 50, a T5 ship token would be nice. Nicer still would be if it included fleet ships.
This sounds fair to me. I'm soo angry though. All of my time wasted on old crafting for nothing ... now my oddy pack, scimi pack, mogh, brel ... all becoming TRIBBLE. That's like $150! Doesn't even include other ships I've bought. I can't even imagine how ticked off others who have bought more are. Its bull TRIBBLE. You need a huge win soon Cryptic, or new leadership. Something has to give.
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Yes/no/maybe:P
Yes there will be a new Tier of Ships with more abilities/powers than the Wells
No - it all depends of how you consider "outdated" - if you can still blast through 100% of the games content - is the ship "outdated"
Maybe - There is too much missing info right now, but it stands to reason that the new Tier 6 class/line will be "better" in some way to make people want to buy them.
Exhibit A => Crafting ... they're going ahead with this full steam. Geko went on record as saying that people complaining about Doff GUI were all rambling and no useful feedback was posted on tribble forum. That the lead dev gets away with spreading falsehoods this way should make you wary of anything they say and do.
- Judge Aaron Satie
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People buy lock box ships because they are the best. Having a new Tier 6 mechanic which won't be available to any Tier 5.x ships, including lockboxes, automatically makes them obsolete. Tier 4 ships are also perfectly usable in game but hardily anyone flies them. So that argument is specious.
Make no mistake. These devs push the envelope when introducing new features and power creep. You have crafting as the latest example. So yes, all ships ... all ships are obsolete when Tier 6 counterparts become available.
- Judge Aaron Satie
except in the recent stoked interview geko claimed that powercreep wont be a problem any more come expansion time, suggesting that yes, that wells will likely not perform as well in the new content.
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Well in fairness - crafting in any form - is a tiny tiny piece of STO - ships are the Heart of the game. If they don't tread carefully or listen to feedback on this change - then that would be very bad.
I think Al gave up on the Forums some time ago - I don't think he really went through the tribble feedback and said "this is all ranting so I will ignore it" - I bet he took a small amount of time to read it, however, when you already have a negative impression of the forums and see 10 "rants" for every 1 constructive feedback - the "rants" will completely overshadow anything else.
My feeling is this: He's passionate about his Job/work and I don't think he can handle the negative feedback to well - so he avoids it for the most part.
That said - he really really should pay particular attention to feedback/concerns about the ship changes - this is a make or break change for this game.
Something new. Hmmm...
All I know is, with the announcement of T6, Cryptic isn't selling ANY pay-to-get ships anytime soon. Who's going to spend $50 on something that is 100% going to be junk in 2 months? (other than to the ignorant noob)
Hell, even the lockbox ships prices should start trend down now. Peeps gotta sell them before October or get stuck with junk.
Nope...you won't be seeing Secondary Deflectors before you see T6 ships. Might not see Secondary Deflectors by this time next year, based on the way they answered the question.
Though it will be interesting to see if each T6 ship has its own selection of specials.
"Content" is also a relative term when talking about how one of the games current top ships performs. There really is no "Hard" content in STO and I seriously doubt that truly "Hard" content is coming with the expansion.
So the Wells will get an upgrade - just like all the existing ships. Will it have the "new" powers and abilities of the Tier 6 ships - NO it won't. This still does not mean that it won't be blasting through the games "content"
The only place this would be a serious concern is PvP and we all know how much they care about PvP.
Absolutely. Don't forget about those MK XII 200 million crafted science consoles on exchange. Those are junk too with X2. I am going to warn all my fleet mates to save their EC and cash.
- Judge Aaron Satie
It's baseless disappointment, Federation and KDF captains don't have access to the singularity powers of Romulan warbirds, but that does not automaticly make warbirds better.
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
Yes. People seem to assume that Cryptic is somehow going to be more generous this time around. 2nd deflector is probably one of the new abilities limited to Tier 6 only. Tier 5 science vessel ... too bad!
But no ... the critics on the forum are the problem! :rolleyes:
- Judge Aaron Satie
Me! I'm going to be that ignorant noob! Okay, maybe not the ignorant noob...the insane former KDF guy that's going to roll a single Fed and buy a single ship so I get screwed on the single ship and pretend that I didn't get screwed on all the KDF ships I've bought. It's a coping mechanism! :P
It's possible.
It's been discussed in the past for playable Jupiters and Typhoons. It was said in the past that it was possible if there was another level hike, provided that there was enough player support for it. They would have to get the same graphical and mechanical treatment as theScimitar, when it went from NPC to player ship.
As much as I would love it to happen with the jump to T6, I'm not gonna hold my breath.
Hope Im wrong and its not per ship. You just pay a 1 time fee or do something most likely involving dilithium unlock something and it affect all the ships of that type on your account. As in all the vestas or avengers or odysseys you pull out of the c-store come upgraded. I also really hope regardless it does not involve the new crafting system.
Also any word on if this would bring about the other thing they had always talked about. Where you would promote your bofs to captains and they would command their own ships and you tell them what to do like a proper admiral?
No, it was asked and answered...
With Delta Rising? No.
By this time next year? Don't want to give a hard date.
Secondary Deflectors might arrive just before the PvP Update.
But the T6 Sci Ship will probably have something better anyway...and then still get the Secondary Deflector when it comes out a decade or so from now.
Terrible analogy. Singularity cores are given in exchange for 40 power. Now you may argue that they are worth the trade off (I agree btw) but there is a trade off. It is an "alternate" not an upgrade.
Tier 6 is a vertical upgrade that you CAN'T PAY TO UPGRADE. You have to acquire from SCRATCH! That is the difference.
- Judge Aaron Satie
There has been ZERO comments from the Devs about the upgrade process - it could cost nothing at all;)
That said - you are NOT upgrading your old T5 ships to T6 - they were very specific about that.
LOL. I can believe that last statement. Sad to see some people on the forum actually think PvP is getting an update soon. Nice trolling there Cryptic. GG!
- Judge Aaron Satie
There will be money involved or Cryptic wouldn't have done it.
except that warbirds clearly are better.
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Glad to see you contradict yourself there. Exactly, no upgrade. The best that will happen is they will boost T5 stats to keep them competitive. But it was said specifically that Tier 6 will have unique abilities not available to T5.
- Judge Aaron Satie
1. Don't pee on my leg and tell me its raining. Upgrading a T5 to a sub par 5.5 doesn't interest me. Instead, give me a free version like the oddy and bort before the 3 pack launch and I'll be happy. Make me grind for it, and I will lose my 5#!7.
2. We're going to need another ship slot increase please. Don't think for a second that you'll be able to 'double dip' on T6 purchases AND a service purchase for more slots without upsetting everyone even more.
3. When peeps hit 50, a T5 ship token would be nice. Nicer still would be if it included fleet ships.
This sounds fair to me. I'm soo angry though. All of my time wasted on old crafting for nothing ... now my oddy pack, scimi pack, mogh, brel ... all becoming TRIBBLE. That's like $150! Doesn't even include other ships I've bought. I can't even imagine how ticked off others who have bought more are. Its bull TRIBBLE. You need a huge win soon Cryptic, or new leadership. Something has to give.