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  • spacebaronlinespacebaronline Member Posts: 1,103 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    lianthelia wrote: »
    ...

    I'm sure there are players who will stick with their old ships that they like or even love...but most people want the new power...more power.

    I am SURE that Cryptic is counting on people wanting MOOOR power from the new Tier 6 class/line. They make a lot of money selling new ships, so they are hoping a lot of people will be buying the new MORE powerful Tier 6 line. That's just the way a business works(well a profitable one:eek: )
  • shrapne11shrapne11 Member Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    My wish... A wormhole or transwarp conduit to the Delta Quadrant and that entire sector being an open PVP map. Basically an entire sector which is Ker'rat on Steroids including PVE missions in an open PVP environment.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • uu7788uuuu7788uu Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    shrapne11 wrote: »
    My wish... A wormhole or transwarp conduit to the Delta Quadrant and that entire sector being an open PVP map. Basically an entire sector which is Ker'rat on Steroids including PVE missions in an open PVP environment.

    Thats a good idea :)
  • muwatalimuwatali Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    shrapne11 wrote: »
    My wish... A wormhole or transwarp conduit to the Delta Quadrant and that entire sector being an open PVP map. Basically an entire sector which is Ker'rat on Steroids including PVE missions in an open PVP environment.


    YES, HELL YES....... we need new pvp stuff
  • icerose20icerose20 Member Posts: 18,379 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    shrapne11 wrote: »
    My wish... A wormhole or transwarp conduit to the Delta Quadrant and that entire sector being an open PVP map. Basically an entire sector which is Ker'rat on Steroids including PVE missions in an open PVP environment.

    HELL, No. Keep your PVP out of my PVE.
    Ancient Griffon insult

    That one is so stupid, he lost a Rock/Paper/Scissors game to a Pony.
  • dkeith2011dkeith2011 Member Posts: 595 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    shrapne11 wrote: »
    My wish... A wormhole or transwarp conduit to the Delta Quadrant and that entire sector being an open PVP map. Basically an entire sector which is Ker'rat on Steroids including PVE missions in an open PVP environment.

    Good way to insure I never go there.
  • scottstatenscottstaten Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    shrapne11 wrote: »
    My wish... A wormhole or transwarp conduit to the Delta Quadrant and that entire sector being an open PVP map. Basically an entire sector which is Ker'rat on Steroids including PVE missions in an open PVP environment.

    One little probblem with this stemmng from human nature.... Ever played a game like WoW or SWTOR on a PVP server? there are people who enjoy making others miserale, who are "Funsuckers" or "Funkillers"

    I've got no problem with Ker'rat, I even think having some areas liek that is a good thing, but.... What percentage of the playerbase does PVP? and f that percentage, what percentage want to be ganked and camped. (It will happen if your idea is made reality) and how many of the PVE/instanced PVP crowd would not buy new ships and quit the game if they were forced into that sort of situation for endgame?

    How much money would Cryptic make compared to leaing sector space something like how it is now? Howmany mroe ships would they sell if Opens eason PVP was not happening in the delta quadrant?

    I'm all in favor of new PVP maps, of a delta quadrant Ker'rat. Sounds like something a lot of folks would enjoy, but it's voluntary to go in there. one does not 'accidentally' fly into a PVP map or Que right now, and I feel it shoudls tay that way.

    I'm also curious, I've been levelling a characer specifically to fly a BOP in PVP and now, i need to wait till October or therabouts. What IS a T6 BOP going to look like?
  • scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I'm just not sure that this won't get messed up one way or another........

    One part of me thinks those special abilities will simply be universal consoles like all current ships have. Another part is just worried that they'll go the whole hog and make things outright superior in every way.
  • vivenneanthonyvivenneanthony Member Posts: 1,278 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Yeah this is going to suck in every way possible.

    It will. As I was thinking months ago when I was called a troll, delusional, and paranoid a...


    I predict T5 ship upgrades would be a little sub par to T6. I think fleet T5 ships upgrades would be comparable to T6 other then special abilities, power creep gear, and fused weapons(Hoping).

    As T6 ships probably will have some additional console slots, special abilities, and fused weapon sold in single packs with 3 skins at 2500 zen or 3 ships with 3 skins each at 10000 zen.

    If the research and development is still lackluster upgrades will be tied to as another dilithium sink.

    In short, players will have to buy their ships again with some fused weapon either by converting dilithium(grinding), buying zen, . just to remain competitive especially pvp players and also the new level 50 to 60 content. I'm willing to bet the T6 abilities would be needed for that content.

    It's a instant win for cryptic because they will bleed players checks and bank accounts trying to stay competitive or impulse buying. The gear and ships will be overpowered to entice players then nerfed after the fact.

    Oh yea. lock boxes upgrade will be sub par not even comparable to fleet T6 upgrades

    So thats hundreds or thousands of dollars from players Cryptic. I think this is another slap in the face to the player base but who cares it's $$$$$ for Cryptic.

    I say get a fleet T5 upgrade to T6. Buy gaming hardware like a advance gaming keyboard, and mouse. Save the money going to Cryptic and spend it on DVD's, a night out at the movies, books, Netflix, etc etc.
  • tehbubbalootehbubbaloo Member Posts: 2,003 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    i am worried about how much further behind the kdf is going to be left.
    i dont think its unfair to expect that very little effort has been invested into t6 kdf ships, and pretty much the entire kdf ship lineup is already obsolete. the result is more kdf-mains on lockbox ships, which themselves are going to have their shine removed.
    im not really looking forward to this.
  • spacebaronlinespacebaronline Member Posts: 1,103 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    scurry5 wrote: »
    I'm just not sure that this won't get messed up one way or another........

    One part of me thinks those special abilities will simply be universal consoles like all current ships have. Another part is just worried that they'll go the whole hog and make things outright superior in every way.

    Well there will no doubt be some "Gimmick" to the Tier 6 over the older upgraded ships. As I have stated before - the question is how "good" is this gimmick or Moor power going to be? I don't no if the game or the forums could handle the rage if the new Tier 6 class/line is like night and day better then the older ships:eek:
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,897 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    i am worried about how much further behind the kdf is going to be left.
    i dont think its unfair to expect that very little effort has been invested into t6 kdf ships, and pretty much the entire kdf ship lineup is already obsolete. the result is more kdf-mains on lockbox ships, which themselves are going to have their shine removed.
    im not really looking forward to this.

    It's the final piece of the puzzle...KDF has lost everything special...and now the Romulans are starting to lose...I'm sure these T6 ships will be more powerful than the Scimitar...so by next year Feds will have T6 ships and will have all of the decent Romulan consoles.
    Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited August 2014
    i am worried about how much further behind the kdf is going to be left.
    i dont think its unfair to expect that very little effort has been invested into t6 kdf ships, and pretty much the entire kdf ship lineup is already obsolete. the result is more kdf-mains on lockbox ships, which themselves are going to have their shine removed.
    im not really looking forward to this.

    Sadly, like Cryptic, most players don't think past the obvious stuff. I think this will have a huge impact on KDF relegating the faction to further obsolescence.

    The solution is quite simple too. Make an upgrade token that brings up fleet and lock box ships to Tier 6 status. Charge $5-10 per ship and it will pacify most of the negative reaction. This also neatly solves the KDF issue too.

    Rational decision went out the door when greed took over here.
    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

    - Judge Aaron Satie
  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited August 2014
    Well there will no doubt be some "Gimmick" to the Tier 6 over the older upgraded ships. As I have stated before - the question is how "good" is this gimmick or Moor power going to be? I don't no if the game or the forums could handle the rage if the new Tier 6 class/line is like night and day better then the older ships:eek:

    It is not rage but a legitimate complaint. I think we are raising these questions now ... and not blindly trusting that Cryptic has all of this figured out. They have proven time and time again that they don't care to address these kinds of issues.
    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

    - Judge Aaron Satie
  • spacebaronlinespacebaronline Member Posts: 1,103 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    macronius wrote: »
    It is not rage but a legitimate complaint. I think we are raising these questions now ... and not blindly trusting that Cryptic has all of this figured out. They have proven time and time again that they don't care to address these kinds of issues.

    One of the reasons that I create threads - hopefully with good complaints/concerns - is in the hope that Cryptic will take some of it into consideration before the final release. Ships are the BACKBONE of this game - for most players their ships ARE the game. I would say most people are playing STO to command their own Starship. This move to Tier 6 needs to be done very very very well - or it's going to seriously upset 99% of the playerbase.

    Of all the changes that Cryptic has made - this one needs to be seriously fleshed out with the player base.
  • valenn1valenn1 Member Posts: 842 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    So the New T6 ships will be all new - not upgraded ships.

    Older ships can be upgraded to be "viable/competitive" at Level 60 but will still not be at the Tier 6 level.

    Al Rivera : 'T6 ships will have new abilities and powers that ONLY the new T6 will have - Your old ships won't have these new abilities/powers'

    So older ships CANNOT be upgraded to the same as the new Tier 6 class, HOWEVER, Right now it looks like the old ships CAN be upgraded to similar stats of the new Tier 6 - but just won't have access to all the new "awesome" abilities and powers of the new Tier 6 class/line
    ...

    Lets see how much impact that decision will have on the Master Key/Lobi Ship sales.
    Beta, LTA, CE, Multiple preorder Versions, all Addon Packs except AoY, nearly all KDF/Rom and ~50% of all Fedships, over 25 LockboxShips, Endurer of Atari's "Year of Hell", but...
    unfortunately:

    NOT LOYAL ENOUGH!!!
  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited August 2014
    One of the reasons that I create threads - hopefully with good complaints/concerns - is in the hope that Cryptic will take some of it into consideration before the final release. Ships are the BACKBONE of this game - for most players their ships ARE the game. I would say most people are playing STO to command their own Starship. This move to Tier 6 needs to be done very very very well - or it's going to seriously upset 99% of the playerbase.

    Of all the changes that Cryptic has made - this one needs to be seriously fleshed out with the player base.

    The cynic in me thinks that they are playing fast and loose with the players and the facts. They will do some update to Tier 5.x to "convince" players that they aren't making those ships obsolete. At the same time they don't allow an upgrade to Tier 6 from Tier 5.x and Tier 6 will be significantly better.

    Remember, people who purchased retrofit ships could upgrade to fleet for $5 instead of spending $20 on 4 modules. This ain't happening this time. I still can't understand how any player can support this position.

    And to add insult to injury ... the content updates will be delayed too. So they are forcing everyone to upgrade just so they can continue to play (mostly) the same content over and over.

    Words fail to capture the lunacy of this.
    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

    - Judge Aaron Satie
  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited August 2014
    valenn1 wrote: »
    Lets see how much impact that decision will have on the Master Key/Lobi Ship sales.

    I am afraid it won't. It is the reason they will delay releasing the information. Only a tiny percentage of the player base reads this forum. All people will see on main site or "ads" is that X2 is coming. If anything this will generate more buzz and more sales.

    But they have a contingency plan. By introducing crafting they added a huge new dilithium sink. The new tier 6 ripoff will cause certain players to grind/convert dilithium in advance so they can buy replacement ships.

    If only they were as ingenious with the game as they are in coming up with profit making schemes.
    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

    - Judge Aaron Satie
  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    So with no way to upgrade T5 or below ships to T6, it looks like there will not be any 'canon' ships available to fly at T6. I must say this is incredibly disappointing to me because I cannot stand the majority of Cryptic designed ships. I know there are a lot of other folks on the forums and in-game who prefer the designs from the shows and movies, so I don't know what on earth Cryptic is thinking if it turns out we won't be able to fly T6 canon ships. (and seriously, if a D'deridex or a Jemhadar Dreadnought can't count as T6....that's worrying)
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    macronius wrote: »
    The cynic in me thinks that they are playing fast and loose with the players and the facts. They will do some update to Tier 5.x to "convince" players that they aren't making those ships obsolete. At the same time they don't allow an upgrade to Tier 6 from Tier 5.x and Tier 6 will be significantly better.

    Remember, people who purchased retrofit ships could upgrade to fleet for $5 instead of spending $20 on 4 modules. This ain't happening this time. I still can't understand how any player can support this position.

    And to add insult to injury ... the content updates will be delayed too. So they are forcing everyone to upgrade just so they can continue to play (mostly) the same content over and over.

    Words fail to capture the lunacy of this.

    But Fleet ships are supposed to be that Tier 5.x upgrade. :rolleyes:


    Cryptic should've known people would be upset about this. All the money they invested and Geko pwns it off as "oh you can still play Tier 5 just put Mk14s and it", while they know they will be offering Tier 6 ships (won't be surprised if there is a refit of a refit offered in the C-store with set pieces that needs the Tier 4 and Tier 5 varients).

    So it will make us feel even more like cows and get milked even further. :(
  • spacebaronlinespacebaronline Member Posts: 1,103 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    macronius wrote: »
    The cynic in me thinks that they are playing fast and loose with the players and the facts. They will do some update to Tier 5.x to "convince" players that they aren't making those ships obsolete. At the same time they don't allow an upgrade to Tier 6 from Tier 5.x and Tier 6 will be significantly better.

    Remember, people who purchased retrofit ships could upgrade to fleet for $5 instead of spending $20 on 4 modules. This ain't happening this time. I still can't understand how any player can support this position.

    And to add insult to injury ... the content updates will be delayed too. So they are forcing everyone to upgrade just so they can continue to play (mostly) the same content over and over.

    Words fail to capture the lunacy of this.

    I believe it's quite simple really : They have to meet short-term sales/profit target for PWE.

    Ships = sales

    Lots of ships put out all at the same time = LOTS of sales - they made millions in Ship sales from LoR. So it stands to reason that they are hoping for a sales pop this time to.

    Lets be real - new ships are what keep this game going - not new "content"

    New mission content can be blown through in a few hours - that does not generate the money to keep the game profitable.

    The game was/is hitting a wall as far as ship development. Tier 6 and Level 60 gives them a lot more room to move the pay for power bar up.

    The question then is - will a lot of the older players buy in? IF not- are there enough new players if the older ones don't.

    I suspect there will be lots of players upset - but - there will be a "metric ton" of players that are so starving for new stuff to do - they will "buy in" to the new Tier 6 class/line.
  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited August 2014
    So with no way to upgrade T5 or below ships to T6, it looks like there will not be any 'canon' ships available to fly at T6. I must say this is incredibly disappointing to me because I cannot stand the majority of Cryptic designed ships. I know there are a lot of other folks on the forums and in-game who prefer the designs from the shows and movies, so I don't know what on earth Cryptic is thinking if it turns out we won't be able to fly T6 canon ships. (and seriously, if a D'deridex or a Jemhadar Dreadnought can't count as T6....that's worrying)

    This is the other elephant in the room. With the exception of the Vesta and Hoh'sus (only tac heavy BoP) I fly only canon ships. So it is another reason not to bother with X2 ships.

    Sorry I came here to play Star Trek Online not Cryptic's generic space MMO very loosely inspired by Trek. The sad part is that they could accommodate players by offering an upgrade path. Guess they think there are a metric ton STO players looking to play more of their custom ships. Good luck.
    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

    - Judge Aaron Satie
  • valenn1valenn1 Member Posts: 842 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    macronius wrote: »
    ...
    Sorry I came here to play Star Trek Online not Cryptic's generic space MMO very loosely inspired by Trek. The sad part is that they could accommodate players by offering an upgrade path. Guess they think there are a metric ton STO players looking to play more of their custom ships. Good luck.

    Every time i see one of these "drawing board accidents" i think "wow.. there are more tellarite captains in STO than i could ever imagine".
    Beta, LTA, CE, Multiple preorder Versions, all Addon Packs except AoY, nearly all KDF/Rom and ~50% of all Fedships, over 25 LockboxShips, Endurer of Atari's "Year of Hell", but...
    unfortunately:

    NOT LOYAL ENOUGH!!!
  • spacebaronlinespacebaronline Member Posts: 1,103 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Right now there is just a lack of information. As soon as the video is posted I will link it in the OP. Just keep in mind that you won't hear much more then what I have already indicated.

    Tier 6 will be a new class/line that has it's own unique powers and abilities.

    Older ships (I am assuming T5, T5.5, Fleet, Lock-box, Lobi, Special event) will be upgradable to make them "useable/viable/competitive" at Level 60.

    Even when I post the transcript of what Al Rivera said - there is still no info on:

    -what the New Tier 6 ship power/abilities will be

    -what the upgrade process for older ships will be

    -Just what the terms "Useable/viable/competitive" really means from a power/stats prospective.

    All this info probably won't be out for a little while, however, if they are smart the Dev blogs concerning the ship upgrade process and differences to the new Tier 6 class/line should be their first priority before the rampant speculation goes off the rails.

    I will continue to update the OP as long as the thread is viable. When the dev blogs come out - I am sure that will be were the actions at:eek:
  • hyefatherhyefather Member Posts: 1,286 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    So the 50 dollars people spent on ships like the Odyssey, the Tempest, Vesta Package, etc is going down the drain overnight when these 'T6' ships launch.

    I hope theyre ready for the serious backlash thats coming with this announcement. I wont begrudge anyone that walks away from this game or flips **** because of this.


    To keep their 3 pack ships up to date. They will probably upgrade the sets. People that have already bought them will most likely get a auto update to their purchase. It wouldn't profit cryptic if they didn't do this and WE all know Cryptic is all about the money.
  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited August 2014
    hyefather wrote: »
    To keep their 3 pack ships up to date. They will probably upgrade the sets. People that have already bought them will most likely get a auto update to their purchase. It wouldn't profit cryptic if they didn't do this and WE all know Cryptic is all about the money.

    Actually, that's not going to be the case since Tier 6 (real Tier 6) will have unique powers. Even with upgrades, the Tier 5 ships will be outclassed. Don't kid yourself that the difference will be small. This is Cryptic ... when they do powercreep ... they AMP it to the max!
    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

    - Judge Aaron Satie
  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    tenkari wrote: »
    they already said T5 ships will be competitive at Level 60. so those purchases wont go to waste.

    I have some beach front property in Nevada I'd like to sell you...
  • swamarianswamarian Member Posts: 1,506 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    lianthelia wrote: »
    It's the final piece of the puzzle...KDF has lost everything special...and now the Romulans are starting to lose...I'm sure these T6 ships will be more powerful than the Scimitar...so by next year Feds will have T6 ships and will have all of the decent Romulan consoles.

    That depends. Assuming that the new ships aren't generic, like the Dyson ships were, then KDF could get a whole lot of new coolness. It depends on whether the designers are thinking, "what makes these guys cool," or "what's this faction's version of this ship."
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    iconians wrote: »
    It's normal to fear what you do not understand.

    The number 6 is a larger value than the number 5. It's pretty straightforward and easy to understand. Though I will concede thus far Cryptic has been vague and confusing about this in their weird attempt to promote it.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • spacebaronlinespacebaronline Member Posts: 1,103 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    The number 6 is a larger value than the number 5. It's pretty straightforward and easy to understand. Though I will concede thus far Cryptic has been vague and confusing about this in their weird attempt to promote it.

    I wonder if they are being particularly vague - not because they can't say more right now - but because they want to see what some of the reaction is first before they make the final decisions. However, they are known for just going ahead and doing things which are unpopular without any real "testing the waters" first.
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