i think the fact that the cloak is a console is the essential balance and should not change.
i do, perhaps surprisingly, agree that the cloak should be a battlecloak. in fact, i think every cloak in sto should be a battlecloak. the logic used to justify regular cloak vs battle cloak (bops without hull) was thrown out the window when all the OP romulan ships were dropped on us in LoR.
i think its about time non-roms were let out of the stoneage and had their cloaks updated. surely cryptic have milked the roms and their glaring OPness for long enough now.
And how is it being a console balanced? It's just stupid. For sure both GalX and the Defiant types should have a intigrated cloak. Heck in truth all fed ships at this point in time could have cloaks. Treaty of Algeron is now null and void.
And how is it being a console balanced? It's just stupid. For sure both GalX and the Defiant types should have a intigrated cloak. Heck in truth all fed ships at this point in time could have cloaks. Treaty of Algeron is now null and void.
because youre trading off a console slot (a free bonus slot in the case of the defiant) in exchange for retaining your hull.
And how is it being a console balanced? It's just stupid. For sure both GalX and the Defiant types should have a intigrated cloak. Heck in truth all fed ships at this point in time could have cloaks. Treaty of Algeron is now null and void.
Well if you want to be technical if any ship does it's the Defiant, two free integrated powers for the Gal-X might be a bit overboard.
The UFP president said he would keep following the Treaty even after the fall of the Empire.
So if everyone have battlecloak equal to the masters of cloak then what do Romulans get in return? Are we going to get our 40 power back? :P
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Well if you want to be technical if any ship does it's the Defiant, two free integrated powers for the Gal-X might be a bit overboard.
The UFP president said he would keep following the Treaty even after the fall of the Empire.
So if everyone have battlecloak equal to the masters of cloak then what do Romulans get in return? Are we going to get our 40 power back? :P
The presidents claim was before the Romulan Republic which is a seperate enity than RSE so RSE no longer exists thus Treaty null and void. Heck he may not even be president any more.
And note i said integrated cloak not battle cloak though it would fit for defiant since the original had a rommie cloak. and Rommies have those nice abilites with there coresd that the other 2 don't so Galax can have the Lance and intigrated cloak and Defiant Battle cloak
I think the Galaxy-X is okay for now. I can make do with the cloak being a console (though it may be annoying). Battle cloak is just going too far though, very unrealistic chance. 5th weapon slot lance sounds like a nice idea, but it wouldn't make sense when the wide beam shotgun comes out. It's OP (if coupled with the right buffs) already.
I don't see a single thing wrong in performance.
BUT FOR CRYING OUT LOUD MAKE THE LANCE CENTERED!!!
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I read alot of these galaxy x posts. In the end I am always left with the same question. WHY?
Its a star trek game. The galaxy x is probably 1 of the top 3 ships in the entire star trek universe.
So why? Why doesn't cryptic at least give the fans of its game a ship that is worthy of the television show it represents. Honestly it really doesn't make any sense other than to make its players mad. It would be like playing the Legend of zelda for 20 hours to get the master sword and then you find out its stats are weaker than the last 10 swords you deleted to get that one. Would nintendo do that to link? NO. So why is cryptic doing this to the federation. Please, somebody give me a realistic and truthful answer to why cryptic has done this to such a iconic ship.
As the OP said, its not about makeing the ship OP. There are many ships in the game that if the stats were given to the Galaxy the fans would be pleased. Nobody screams those ships are so OP they shouldn't exist. The Galaxy deserves a Refit. More than any other ship in the game. I'm not even a cruiser player and I want this as much as anyone. The running joke on the galaxy has run out. Its time to step up and do what needs to be done. Game Over man. Game Over.
The Federation is not going to get cloaking devices built in. The President of Star Fleet came out and said Treaty or no Treaty the Federation does not use Cloaking Devices. The license from CBS won't allow the Constitution at end game or the Federation to have cloaked ships. Therefore Cryptic can't do anything to change this. There are exceptions to the rule and that is the 3 ships that can use the cloaking Device.
The Galaxy X is a one of a kind ship from a timeline that no longer exists. The Defiant was the only ship of that line that had a Cloaking Device. In other words they are unique one off ships that where exceptions not the rule. But in a Video Game especially a MMO having only a single cloaked vessel is silly.
As for every Cloak being a Battle Cloak? It really really should, Enhance what you call Battle Cloak now so that the KDF BoPs and the Romulan get a better cloak, make it faster or keep a tiny amount of shields up. 10% seems fair.
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The presidents claim was before the Romulan Republic which is a seperate enity than RSE so RSE no longer exists thus Treaty null and void. Heck he may not even be president any more.
And note i said integrated cloak not battle cloak though it would fit for defiant since the original had a rommie cloak. and Rommies have those nice abilites with there coresd that the other 2 don't so Galax can have the Lance and intigrated cloak and Defiant Battle cloak
ya know this got me to thinking .....i bet one of those NEW T6 fed escorts has a battle cloak we have seen one pic of the escort already which just looks like a rehashed defiant anyway .....im tellin ya watch and see
The Federation is not going to get cloaking devices built in. The President of Star Fleet came out and said Treaty or no Treaty the Federation does not use Cloaking Devices. The license from CBS won't allow the Constitution at end game or the Federation to have cloaked ships. Therefore Cryptic can't do anything to change this. There are exceptions to the rule and that is the 3 ships that can use the cloaking Device.
The Galaxy X is a one of a kind ship from a timeline that no longer exists. The Defiant was the only ship of that line that had a Cloaking Device. In other words they are unique one off ships that where exceptions not the rule. But in a Video Game especially a MMO having only a single cloaked vessel is silly.
As for every Cloak being a Battle Cloak? It really really should, Enhance what you call Battle Cloak now so that the KDF BoPs and the Romulan get a better cloak, make it faster or keep a tiny amount of shields up. 10% seems fair.
But things have changed since THAT president said it. i have seen no work on CBS on banning fed cloaks only T5 Connie.
Again the RSE no longer exists thus treaty is truly null and void. And as For Gal X, 2 things are against you. one Picard remebers that timeline and could breif starfleet on the ship. Also look at where the game starts. besides a few details it actually matches that alt universe.
Hey, they changed it once. There's always a chance they'll change it again.. in a few years.. maybe..
well, they technically change it 3 time now.
at the beguining the cloack was INTEGRATED but the ship got only 3 weapons slot in the back, the lance was only capable to reach 12000 dps raw ( meaning without buff ) total ( meaning the addition of the 2 shot ) and of course if you use phaser console otherwise you got even less
and it got only 2 tactical console slot and the hull was a tiny bit less.
then the lance firepower was bump to it nowaday "performance" the ship got it 4th weapon slot in the back.
when season 5 came throught the cloack was made a console but the ship gain a third tactical console slot in exchange giving this ship and a bunch of other 9 console slot like all other tier 5 ship use to have.
in between this and the last change the hullpoint got a little bump, don't remember where exactly
then we got the galaxy reboot where they made the tactical ensign boff a universal, the ship got acces to the separation console and a 2 piece set bonus + a hangar bay.
the "shothun" lance is VERY effective, maybe a little too much, but the original lance stay a crappy weapons.
and of course we got acces ( at last after more than 1 years waiting ) to the fleet version.
but note that even if all this seem to show that cryptic have made a bunch of effort to make this ship on part with the other tactical ship, it is not.it is a farce.
the ship is still the least capable tactical cstore ship in the federation faction ( i don't even speak about the klingons and romulan ship, let alone the lockbox ship ).
all these "upgrade" where just there to pretend they made it on part while they just set the ship to the threshold of competitivity at the time of the upgrade.
there should not be any need of 3 upgrade in about 4 years if the ship were made right from the beguining instead of something that the role isn't very defined.
the ship will do fine in pve, use the game mechanism that are available today and it will be pretty decent, but that it, for pvp, it a joke.
all that to explain to you that you should not expect a future SIGNIFICANT change to the ship ( even if you speak about it for years and giving idea in the forum, look at the old "what is your beef with the galaxy cryptic" thread that is still in my signature, 702 page reach in 1 years time )
the next change comming is the upgrade to tier 6, but don't hold your breath on it, considering previous track record of cryptic on the matter.
at the beguining the cloack was INTEGRATED but the ship got only 3 weapons slot in the back, the lance was only capable to reach 12000 dps raw ( meaning without buff ) total ( meaning the addition of the 2 shot ) and of course if you use phaser console otherwise you got even less
and it got only 2 tactical console slot and the hull was a tiny bit less.
then the lance firepower was bump to it nowaday "performance" the ship got it 4th weapon slot in the back.
when season 5 came throught the cloack was made a console but the ship gain a third tactical console slot in exchange giving this ship and a bunch of other 9 console slot like all other tier 5 ship use to have.
in between this and the last change the hullpoint got a little bump, don't remember where exactly
then we got the galaxy reboot where they made the tactical ensign boff a universal, the ship got acces to the separation console and a 2 piece set bonus + a hangar bay.
the "shothun" lance is VERY effective, maybe a little too much, but the original lance stay a crappy weapons.
and of course we got acces ( at last after more than 1 years waiting ) to the fleet version.
but note that even if all this seem to show that cryptic have made a bunch of effort to make this ship on part with the other tactical ship, it is not.it is a farce.
the ship is still the least capable tactical cstore ship in the federation faction ( i don't even speak about the klingons and romulan ship, let alone the lockbox ship ).
all these "upgrade" where just there to pretend they made it on part while they just set the ship to the threshold of competitivity at the time of the upgrade.
there should not be any need of 3 upgrade in about 4 years if the ship were made right from the beguining instead of something that the role isn't very defined.
the ship will do fine in pve, use the game mechanism that are available today and it will be pretty decent, but that it, for pvp, it a joke.
all that to explain to you that you should not expect a future SIGNIFICANT change to the ship ( even if you speak about it for years and giving idea in the forum, look at the old "what is your beef with the galaxy cryptic" thread that is still in my signature, 702 page reach in 1 years time )
the next change comming is the upgrade to tier 6, but don't hold your breath on it, considering previous track record of cryptic on the matter.
The gal X isn't as bad as you say it is. My fleet makes her work fine. the least tacical is the Galaxy R
But things have changed since THAT president said it. i have seen no work on CBS on banning fed cloaks only T5 Connie.
Again the RSE no longer exists thus treaty is truly null and void. And as For Gal X, 2 things are against you. one Picard remebers that timeline and could breif starfleet on the ship. Also look at where the game starts. besides a few details it actually matches that alt universe.
What has Changed? That guy is still President and Treaty or not, the Federation still aren't using Cloaking devices. CBS protects the intellectual property that is Star Trek and the way they like it involves a Federation who does not cloak. To reiterate and mare sure it's clear I didn't say they can't I said they do not.
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What has Changed? That guy is still President and Treaty or not, the Federation still aren't using Cloaking devices. CBS protects the intellectual property that is Star Trek and the way they like it involves a Federation who does not cloak. To reiterate and mare sure it's clear I didn't say they can't I said they do not.
Um The Romualn Republic for one. With Sela gone any formal government the RSE had is gone. All they are now is a handful of planets, stations, and ships. RSE is nolonger a recognized power. And sincethe Republic never signed the Treaty then on that alone the Treaty is null and void. Also the president is not a dictator. He may not want cloaks but the council can overrule him and there is nothing to say that he still is the President. Time has past.
And unless you can show proof. the only thing CBS banned is a T5 connie.
Um The Romualn Republic for one. With Sela gone any formal government the RSE had is gone. All they are now is a handful of planets, stations, and ships. RSE is nolonger a recognized power. And sincethe Republic never signed the Treaty then on that alone the Treaty is null and void. Also the president is not a dictator. He may not want cloaks but the council can overrule him and there is nothing to say that he still is the President. Time has past.
And unless you can show proof. the only thing CBS banned is a T5 connie.
Go read the damn Path to 2409 again. The President controls the military, and in 2395 he issued an executive order outright banning Starfleet, i.e. the Federation military, from performing cloaking device development. The Federation military is to uphold the Treaty of Algeron regardless of whether the other signatory exists.
It's not happening any more than a T6 Connie is. Get over it.
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The gal X isn't as bad as you say it is. My fleet makes her work fine. the least tacical is the Galaxy R
"make it work fine" deasn't mean anything, what is working fine for you?
but i can anderstand that people feel that way in pve environement exactly like i said in the post you quote
the ship will do fine in pve, use the game mechanism that are available today and it will be pretty decent, but that it, for pvp, it a joke.
meaning with all the doff, warp core, auxtobat, cruiser command, set bonus and power creep that are available today, yes you can make the difference between a galaxy x and a regent insignificant.
but only in pve, where the enemy are slow, don't balanced their shield, hardly heal and cross heal and are predictable.
in pvp that an other story, and that also the reason why you rarely see them there, and why the best pvper don't use it AT ALL.
and NO, the galaxy retrofit IS NOT a tactical ship.
2 tactical bo power and 2 tactical console slot combined with a 6degree turn and 25 inertia is not a tactical ship.
otherwise every ship in this game are tactical ship because i don't remember one that got less than that in the tactical departement at tier5.
can you name me a ship at tier5 that got just an ensign bo tactical power and 2 tactical console slot, or 1 tactical console slot and 2 bo tactical power?
But things have changed since THAT president said it. i have seen no work on CBS on banning fed cloaks only T5 Connie.
Again the RSE no longer exists thus treaty is truly null and void. And as For Gal X, 2 things are against you. one Picard remebers that timeline and could breif starfleet on the ship. Also look at where the game starts. besides a few details it actually matches that alt universe.
How hard is it to understand, the president of the Federation said he would uphold the Treaty of Algernon even after the fall of the Star Empire?
I fail to see how the existence of the Romulan Republic really affects that choice of the President. The Romulan Republic isn't the Romulan Star Empire...it isn't even a remnant it is a completely different entity.
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Go read the damn Path to 2409 again. The President controls the military, and in 2395 he issued an executive order outright banning Starfleet, i.e. the Federation military, from performing cloaking device development. The Federation military is to uphold the Treaty of Algeron regardless of whether the other signatory exists.
It's not happening any more than a T6 Connie is. Get over it.
note it's 2410. I think he is out of office and the council can challenged such an order.
again a president is not a dicator. their are checks to his power. Too much has changed since that order.
How hard is it to understand, the president of the Federation said he would uphold the Treaty of Algernon even after the fall of the Star Empire?
I fail to see how the existence of the Romulan Republic really affects that choice of the President. The Romulan Republic isn't the Romulan Star Empire...it isn't even a remnant it is a completely different entity.
Exactly which means it's null and void. and while one president kept the ban the time difference between the ban and now suggests a new president. One that may disagree with that move. And since we don't no the terms of the treaty with the Republic Fed cloak is viable.
Exactly which means it's null and void. and while one president kept the ban the time difference between the ban and now suggests a new president. One that may disagree with that move. And since we don't no the terms of the treaty with the Republic Fed cloak is viable.
What makes you think the Republic would want to give the Federation cloaking technology? What does the Federation have to offer? Did you see the Klingons giving Starfleet cloaking technology? They've been allies multiple times over the decades and no cloak was shared...
Just because they're allies doesn't mean they freely share technology...
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What makes you think the Republic would want to give the Federation cloaking technology? What does the Federation have to offer? Did you see the Klingons giving Starfleet cloaking technology? They've been allies multiple times over the decades and no cloak was shared...
Just because they're allies doesn't mean they freely share technology...
SUpplies. There was a reason that D'Tan sought their aid in colonizibng new romulus. And who;'s to say that they gave them, cloaks. the fed can make cloaks. Only a treaty prevented them ferom using them. a treaty no longer viable.
"make it work fine" deasn't mean anything, what is working fine for you?
but i can anderstand that people feel that way in pve environement exactly like i said in the post you quote
meaning with all the doff, warp core, auxtobat, cruiser command, set bonus and power creep that are available today, yes you can make the difference between a galaxy x and a regent insignificant.
but only in pve, where the enemy are slow, don't balanced their shield, hardly heal and cross heal and are predictable.
in pvp that an other story, and that also the reason why you rarely see them there, and why the best pvper don't use it AT ALL.
and NO, the galaxy retrofit IS NOT a tactical ship.
2 tactical bo power and 2 tactical console slot combined with a 6degree turn and 25 inertia is not a tactical ship.
otherwise every ship in this game are tactical ship because i don't remember one that got less than that in the tactical departement at tier5.
can you name me a ship at tier5 that got just an ensign bo tactical power and 2 tactical console slot, or 1 tactical console slot and 2 bo tactical power?
Not everything is PVP either. But Galx X has better tacical than Gal R so the statement was always wrong.
SUpplies. There was a reason that D'Tan sought their aid in colonizibng new romulus. And who;'s to say that they gave them, cloaks. the fed can make cloaks. Only a treaty prevented them ferom using them. a treaty no longer viable.
A treaty which a Federation President chose to uphold even after the collapse of the Romulan Star Empire after the destruction of Romulus. Even if he isn't the Commander in Chief anymore, the current one has chosen not to change the position on it.
Forget this...forget the actual story reason...why must you take everything everyone else has? Can you not let anyone else have anything?
You've sucked the Klingons dry and now you're going after the Romulans...
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A treaty which a Federation President chose to uphold even after the collapse of the Romulan Star Empire after the destruction of Romulus. Even if he isn't the Commander in Chief anymore, the current one has chosen not to change the position on it.
Forget this...forget the actual story reason...why must you take everything everyone else has? Can you not let anyone else have anything?
You've sucked the Klingons dry and now you're going after the Romulans...
Please don't generalize all FED players, because some want everything everyone else has.
I for one, wouldn't want Starfleet ships sneaking around.
They should get something USEFUL in exchange, but so far they don't get anything.
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when i buy a cstore ship i expect it to perform equally in ALL PART of the game, especially when that part is the one i prefer.
But Galx X has better tacical than Gal R so the statement was always wrong.
no, you are wrong here, or stubborn... you choose.
the statement would have been false if it was this:
the ship is still the least capable cstore ship in the federation faction.
there, no problem, it would have been completely wrong because the galaxy retrofit IS that ship.
but sorry for you, here is the original statement
the ship is still the least capable tactical cstore ship in the federation faction
you see the word "tactical" in beetween capable and sctore?
and i hope we will not going back again on the fact that the galaxy retrofit is not a tactical ship...
A treaty which a Federation President chose to uphold even after the collapse of the Romulan Star Empire after the destruction of Romulus. Even if he isn't the Commander in Chief anymore, the current one has chosen not to change the position on it.
Forget this...forget the actual story reason...why must you take everything everyone else has? Can you not let anyone else have anything?
You've sucked the Klingons dry and now you're going after the Romulans...
I go by logic. I'll be happy with GalX and Defiant types having the intigrated cloak though by logic all fed ships should have cloak. Time and events render that president's stance moot.
when i buy a cstore ship i expect it to perform equally in ALL PART of the game, especially when that part is the one i prefer.
no, you are wrong here, or stubborn... you choose.
the statement would have been false if it was this:
the ship is still the least capable cstore ship in the federation faction.
there, no problem, it would have been completely wrong because the galaxy retrofit IS that ship.
but sorry for you, here is the original statement
you see the word "tactical" in beetween capable and sctore?
and i hope we will not going back again on the fact that the galaxy retrofit is not a tactical ship...
dude I have flown both trust me Galx is more caplable that gal r
dude I have flown both trust me Galx is more caplable that gal r
dude, if you think that what i said i would suggest you to read carrefully what i wrote from the beguining and maybe you will anderstand.
but like cryptic i don't hold my breath with you anymore:rolleyes:
dude, if you think that what i said i would suggest you to read carrefully what i wrote from the beguining and maybe you will anderstand.
but like cryptic i don't hold my breath with you anymore:rolleyes:
Again the Galaxy X is a capable ship. The galaxy R needs attention more than the Galaxy X
I go by logic. I'll be happy with GalX and Defiant types having the intigrated cloak though by logic all fed ships should have cloak. Time and events render that president's stance moot.
dude I have flown both trust me Galx is more caplable that gal r
no you don't, by logic you'd be asking for them to remove the cloak console from the Gal-X and Defiant since the president still chooses to uphold the treaty.
By logic the devs wouldn't have given them cloaking devices because we only saw one ship with cloak (which was destroyed and I don't think the *new* Defiant got a cloak?) and one ship in a alternate reality where the Romulan Empire was conquered by the Klingons we found 1 Fed ship using cloak. The USS Pasteur didn't have cloak...
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no you don't, by logic you'd be asking for them to remove the cloak console from the Gal-X and Defiant since the president still chooses to uphold the treaty.
By logic the devs wouldn't have given them cloaking devices because we only saw one ship with cloak (which was destroyed and I don't think the *new* Defiant got a cloak?) and one ship in a alternate reality where the Romulan Empire was conquered by the Klingons we found 1 Fed ship using cloak. The USS Pasteur didn't have cloak...
again the pres is out of office by now. the next one can reneg that order.
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And how is it being a console balanced? It's just stupid. For sure both GalX and the Defiant types should have a intigrated cloak. Heck in truth all fed ships at this point in time could have cloaks. Treaty of Algeron is now null and void.
because youre trading off a console slot (a free bonus slot in the case of the defiant) in exchange for retaining your hull.
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Well if you want to be technical if any ship does it's the Defiant, two free integrated powers for the Gal-X might be a bit overboard.
The UFP president said he would keep following the Treaty even after the fall of the Empire.
So if everyone have battlecloak equal to the masters of cloak then what do Romulans get in return? Are we going to get our 40 power back? :P
The presidents claim was before the Romulan Republic which is a seperate enity than RSE so RSE no longer exists thus Treaty null and void. Heck he may not even be president any more.
And note i said integrated cloak not battle cloak though it would fit for defiant since the original had a rommie cloak. and Rommies have those nice abilites with there coresd that the other 2 don't so Galax can have the Lance and intigrated cloak and Defiant Battle cloak
I don't see a single thing wrong in performance.
BUT FOR CRYING OUT LOUD MAKE THE LANCE CENTERED!!!
Its a star trek game. The galaxy x is probably 1 of the top 3 ships in the entire star trek universe.
So why? Why doesn't cryptic at least give the fans of its game a ship that is worthy of the television show it represents. Honestly it really doesn't make any sense other than to make its players mad. It would be like playing the Legend of zelda for 20 hours to get the master sword and then you find out its stats are weaker than the last 10 swords you deleted to get that one. Would nintendo do that to link? NO. So why is cryptic doing this to the federation. Please, somebody give me a realistic and truthful answer to why cryptic has done this to such a iconic ship.
As the OP said, its not about makeing the ship OP. There are many ships in the game that if the stats were given to the Galaxy the fans would be pleased. Nobody screams those ships are so OP they shouldn't exist. The Galaxy deserves a Refit. More than any other ship in the game. I'm not even a cruiser player and I want this as much as anyone. The running joke on the galaxy has run out. Its time to step up and do what needs to be done. Game Over man. Game Over.
The Galaxy X is a one of a kind ship from a timeline that no longer exists. The Defiant was the only ship of that line that had a Cloaking Device. In other words they are unique one off ships that where exceptions not the rule. But in a Video Game especially a MMO having only a single cloaked vessel is silly.
As for every Cloak being a Battle Cloak? It really really should, Enhance what you call Battle Cloak now so that the KDF BoPs and the Romulan get a better cloak, make it faster or keep a tiny amount of shields up. 10% seems fair.
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ya know this got me to thinking .....i bet one of those NEW T6 fed escorts has a battle cloak we have seen one pic of the escort already which just looks like a rehashed defiant anyway .....im tellin ya watch and see
But things have changed since THAT president said it. i have seen no work on CBS on banning fed cloaks only T5 Connie.
Again the RSE no longer exists thus treaty is truly null and void. And as For Gal X, 2 things are against you. one Picard remebers that timeline and could breif starfleet on the ship. Also look at where the game starts. besides a few details it actually matches that alt universe.
well, they technically change it 3 time now.
at the beguining the cloack was INTEGRATED but the ship got only 3 weapons slot in the back, the lance was only capable to reach 12000 dps raw ( meaning without buff ) total ( meaning the addition of the 2 shot ) and of course if you use phaser console otherwise you got even less
and it got only 2 tactical console slot and the hull was a tiny bit less.
then the lance firepower was bump to it nowaday "performance" the ship got it 4th weapon slot in the back.
when season 5 came throught the cloack was made a console but the ship gain a third tactical console slot in exchange giving this ship and a bunch of other 9 console slot like all other tier 5 ship use to have.
in between this and the last change the hullpoint got a little bump, don't remember where exactly
then we got the galaxy reboot where they made the tactical ensign boff a universal, the ship got acces to the separation console and a 2 piece set bonus + a hangar bay.
the "shothun" lance is VERY effective, maybe a little too much, but the original lance stay a crappy weapons.
and of course we got acces ( at last after more than 1 years waiting ) to the fleet version.
but note that even if all this seem to show that cryptic have made a bunch of effort to make this ship on part with the other tactical ship, it is not.it is a farce.
the ship is still the least capable tactical cstore ship in the federation faction ( i don't even speak about the klingons and romulan ship, let alone the lockbox ship ).
all these "upgrade" where just there to pretend they made it on part while they just set the ship to the threshold of competitivity at the time of the upgrade.
there should not be any need of 3 upgrade in about 4 years if the ship were made right from the beguining instead of something that the role isn't very defined.
the ship will do fine in pve, use the game mechanism that are available today and it will be pretty decent, but that it, for pvp, it a joke.
all that to explain to you that you should not expect a future SIGNIFICANT change to the ship ( even if you speak about it for years and giving idea in the forum, look at the old "what is your beef with the galaxy cryptic" thread that is still in my signature, 702 page reach in 1 years time )
the next change comming is the upgrade to tier 6, but don't hold your breath on it, considering previous track record of cryptic on the matter.
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The gal X isn't as bad as you say it is. My fleet makes her work fine. the least tacical is the Galaxy R
What has Changed? That guy is still President and Treaty or not, the Federation still aren't using Cloaking devices. CBS protects the intellectual property that is Star Trek and the way they like it involves a Federation who does not cloak. To reiterate and mare sure it's clear I didn't say they can't I said they do not.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Um The Romualn Republic for one. With Sela gone any formal government the RSE had is gone. All they are now is a handful of planets, stations, and ships. RSE is nolonger a recognized power. And sincethe Republic never signed the Treaty then on that alone the Treaty is null and void. Also the president is not a dictator. He may not want cloaks but the council can overrule him and there is nothing to say that he still is the President. Time has past.
And unless you can show proof. the only thing CBS banned is a T5 connie.
Go read the damn Path to 2409 again. The President controls the military, and in 2395 he issued an executive order outright banning Starfleet, i.e. the Federation military, from performing cloaking device development. The Federation military is to uphold the Treaty of Algeron regardless of whether the other signatory exists.
It's not happening any more than a T6 Connie is. Get over it.
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"make it work fine" deasn't mean anything, what is working fine for you?
but i can anderstand that people feel that way in pve environement exactly like i said in the post you quote
meaning with all the doff, warp core, auxtobat, cruiser command, set bonus and power creep that are available today, yes you can make the difference between a galaxy x and a regent insignificant.
but only in pve, where the enemy are slow, don't balanced their shield, hardly heal and cross heal and are predictable.
in pvp that an other story, and that also the reason why you rarely see them there, and why the best pvper don't use it AT ALL.
and NO, the galaxy retrofit IS NOT a tactical ship.
2 tactical bo power and 2 tactical console slot combined with a 6degree turn and 25 inertia is not a tactical ship.
otherwise every ship in this game are tactical ship because i don't remember one that got less than that in the tactical departement at tier5.
can you name me a ship at tier5 that got just an ensign bo tactical power and 2 tactical console slot, or 1 tactical console slot and 2 bo tactical power?
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How hard is it to understand, the president of the Federation said he would uphold the Treaty of Algernon even after the fall of the Star Empire?
I fail to see how the existence of the Romulan Republic really affects that choice of the President. The Romulan Republic isn't the Romulan Star Empire...it isn't even a remnant it is a completely different entity.
note it's 2410. I think he is out of office and the council can challenged such an order.
again a president is not a dicator. their are checks to his power. Too much has changed since that order.
Exactly which means it's null and void. and while one president kept the ban the time difference between the ban and now suggests a new president. One that may disagree with that move. And since we don't no the terms of the treaty with the Republic Fed cloak is viable.
What makes you think the Republic would want to give the Federation cloaking technology? What does the Federation have to offer? Did you see the Klingons giving Starfleet cloaking technology? They've been allies multiple times over the decades and no cloak was shared...
Just because they're allies doesn't mean they freely share technology...
SUpplies. There was a reason that D'Tan sought their aid in colonizibng new romulus. And who;'s to say that they gave them, cloaks. the fed can make cloaks. Only a treaty prevented them ferom using them. a treaty no longer viable.
Not everything is PVP either. But Galx X has better tacical than Gal R so the statement was always wrong.
A treaty which a Federation President chose to uphold even after the collapse of the Romulan Star Empire after the destruction of Romulus. Even if he isn't the Commander in Chief anymore, the current one has chosen not to change the position on it.
Forget this...forget the actual story reason...why must you take everything everyone else has? Can you not let anyone else have anything?
You've sucked the Klingons dry and now you're going after the Romulans...
Please don't generalize all FED players, because some want everything everyone else has.
I for one, wouldn't want Starfleet ships sneaking around.
They should get something USEFUL in exchange, but so far they don't get anything.
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when i buy a cstore ship i expect it to perform equally in ALL PART of the game, especially when that part is the one i prefer.
no, you are wrong here, or stubborn... you choose.
the statement would have been false if it was this:
the ship is still the least capable cstore ship in the federation faction.
there, no problem, it would have been completely wrong because the galaxy retrofit IS that ship.
but sorry for you, here is the original statement
you see the word "tactical" in beetween capable and sctore?
and i hope we will not going back again on the fact that the galaxy retrofit is not a tactical ship...
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
I go by logic. I'll be happy with GalX and Defiant types having the intigrated cloak though by logic all fed ships should have cloak. Time and events render that president's stance moot.
dude I have flown both trust me Galx is more caplable that gal r
dude, if you think that what i said i would suggest you to read carrefully what i wrote from the beguining and maybe you will anderstand.
but like cryptic i don't hold my breath with you anymore:rolleyes:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
Again the Galaxy X is a capable ship. The galaxy R needs attention more than the Galaxy X
no you don't, by logic you'd be asking for them to remove the cloak console from the Gal-X and Defiant since the president still chooses to uphold the treaty.
By logic the devs wouldn't have given them cloaking devices because we only saw one ship with cloak (which was destroyed and I don't think the *new* Defiant got a cloak?) and one ship in a alternate reality where the Romulan Empire was conquered by the Klingons we found 1 Fed ship using cloak. The USS Pasteur didn't have cloak...
again the pres is out of office by now. the next one can reneg that order.