we could sit here all day re-explaining this to them over and over but they are fixated to the point of blindess over aux2bat
... the irony :rolleyes:... u may read my posts as i can't speak for others. but regarding my point(s) u just totally missed em/u may consider urself having a blind eye as well ...
I don't understand why a2b is seen as op when the PvP leaderboard shows all the best players don't run it.
I run my crusiers a2b because they are TRIBBLE without it, they are in no way better than my non a2b ROM ships, my bop or my sci vessels. The only other ship I feel forced to run a2b on is the nicor but that's with dhc, again I wouldn't say that's my best ship.
- gotcha on the second ... that simple move already hits the core to me. (i'm aware of ya explanations, thx )
- for the third:
as already stated in other posts in here average joe a2b'ing is not that much of a prob to me. he shouldn't be able to imo, yeah, but i usually not more spot him as a threat just because of a2b (though his performance with a2b is usually much higher already than without).
but at least if one of those "elites" jump onto such a build, totally knowing what he's doing, that point about "building-skills" turns into "exploiting/abusing" a broken/as op known mechanic to me. i can't respect that, sorry.
in short: i talk about the horses that could win the race without doping, but get doped though ...
Ok, lets say i agree with you at some degree. But any player that knows what he's doing will perform well in basicly any build, as long as they build the build for a purpose, all my skills, consoles, everything, are chosen from trial and fail + from what i know from experience.
I fell in love with the Nicor, because it fits the current meta in the pvp today.. and yeah i run one copy of aux2bat. I have a build on the nicor, that ofcourse benefit from the aux2bat to some degree, but its not the most vital part of the build. And if a certain skill, will compliment the build i am currently running, why should i not choose to use this? Because some other player has decided that its "cheating" ? This is an ability that is available for everyone! Even the technicians aren't that hard to get a hold of...... so why should i dumb down my build? Also a2bat is a "overbuff". You do know ofcourse that you have to have the skill on cooldown, that means you have to had used it, before its benefitial to even use aux2bat?`that means every time u use a2b without having all the skills on cooldown, its the same as wasting it away.
So in that sense, using any doff that affect powerlevels, or cooldowns on any skills, also is OP, because you can use those for as much benefit as the technicians give... maybe even more on certain builds.
"Better were the days when mastery o' space came not from bargains struck with eldritch creatures... but from the sweat of a man's brow and the strength of his back alone. Ye all know thi's to be true!"
we have read your posts, your concern is over powers being at global,
when theres only a few powers that even reallly matter that make a difference in a real fight, A REAL FIGHT
thats the point YOUR MISSING, your hung up on the global cooldowns and stringing it out to say that cause of that and that ALONE makes these ships 100X better and therefore op/broken/etc LOL
WHEN ANY of us that run aux2bat boats and other builds can tell you clearly, from experience (in my case over a year and a half, with a variety of aux2bat builds) THAT having all of these powers at global comes at a cost- less doff slots, less boff powers, and your aux goes in the toilet AANNNNDDD your often times only redusing aka "getting a benefit" from auxtobat off powers you activated, so anything that is held in reserve or used for timed strikes... WELL GUESS WHAT its just the same as any other ship, with only 1 dem, 1 reverse, 1 haz, etc and if your fighting NOOBS all the time, you get to benefit from the cooldown cause they dont strike hard or fast, or cordinated, so you get to live to see your next reverse, if..
you fight against vet pvpers, with a good team, ya couple subnukes, your dead just like anyone else..
SOOO...
from this long experience of pvp with it, I can saftly tell you all that aux2bat DOES NOT have any advantage that would remotely put it on the broken list, like when the transporter doffs was cooling everything down, or tractorbeam repulsors were 10x stronger OR THE LIST goes on of broken moments in sto
BUT some would have you get in a frenzy chanting it over and over just because they got their butt handed to them in some pvp and they didnt understand what was going on- so they got angry
I think i just gave a cookie to a troll, cause really waste, I cant believe that you really do feel this way, I know you have been around the block and fought with and against steller teams, so why on earth are you even going with this besides to just stir the pot? LOL
OMG, inless you really DO think aux2bat is that powerful?
Hear hear!, See looks like some other experienced player decided utter words of wisdom.
But like you said.. its way easyer to convince yourself that the skill is broken and then complain about it om the forum.... than learning how to counter it, or master it.
"Better were the days when mastery o' space came not from bargains struck with eldritch creatures... but from the sweat of a man's brow and the strength of his back alone. Ye all know thi's to be true!"
we could sit here all day re-explaining this to them over and over but they are fixated to the point of blindess over aux2bat
no point wasting anymore time, good for the laughs tho
ya guys:) I conceded! aux2bat is the hax of the game! horrible it is! it takes noobs and turns them into juggernauts in pvp matches!! THERE NO WAY TO FIGHT THEM OFF !
every match that has an aux2bat boat in it means INSTA DEATH for the team it faces, its so broken, its heals are impossible to overcome, its dps shames vapers and scorts alike, the sheer gravity force thats created by the pull of the giant balls that it takes to run aux2bat is staggering!!!
the horror!!
later all;)
Oh TRIBBLE, you are correct.. DOOOOOOM DOOOOOM! zomg run to the woods!
"Better were the days when mastery o' space came not from bargains struck with eldritch creatures... but from the sweat of a man's brow and the strength of his back alone. Ye all know thi's to be true!"
MY GOD there is so much that is broken in this game, so much so that I wonder why people waste their time complaining and instead just move onto another game LOL
heres a news flash
nothing your doing in that brel is broken LOL
now if the double taps were back then, LOL there might be something there to argue about (personally had no problems with the double taps) but comon man, whats that little hail mary build of yours do for a good spike? (love the brel by the way)
AND ON a totally different topic, my god the brel needs love, they seriously need to make that the first ship they re-retro-re-do for the klinks:)
why?
cause its iconic:)
I wonder how one can "counter" aux2bat directly... hmmmmmmm maybe perhaps there might be a slight chance that this is the problem?Its because you focus to much on countering the spesific skill than trying to learn how to counter spesific tactics or complete builds....?
Open your mind to the possibilities instead of the complete focus on a skill that really doesnt make any difference at all, unless used for a spesific purpose.. and not only to "get global cooldown". But the same could be said about any spesific skill, ability, item, boff or doff... if used in flawless synergy for a spesific purpose.....
Experience is OP pls nurf!
FYI, this was ment as a general reply to the whole thread, not directed at you.. :P
"Better were the days when mastery o' space came not from bargains struck with eldritch creatures... but from the sweat of a man's brow and the strength of his back alone. Ye all know thi's to be true!"
I remember starting in this game and you would hear the jers in pvp over ams just like for aux2bat today
its so sad LOL
so many counters, so little true advantage, and folks getting hung up because they cant work the problem:(
Well, for me this game is actually about having fun.. and i love tinkering with builds, i have spent so much time and EC's on buying sometimes really crappy gear to test out a theory.... But by doing this so many times, has given me valuable experience that i believe helps me in this game.
Thats why i get slightly insulted when someone says that the only reason i won, was because i used one copy of a2b on my build... which is utter nonesense..
Success in this game comes from knowing what to do, and more importantly WHEN to do it. and that can only be learned from experience. Same goes with shipbuilds... some skills are ofcourse easyer to implement to a build, like a2b, but that doesnt mean that the skills is any better than any other skill if you use them in the correct synergy....
"Better were the days when mastery o' space came not from bargains struck with eldritch creatures... but from the sweat of a man's brow and the strength of his back alone. Ye all know thi's to be true!"
I remember starting in this game and you would hear the jers in pvp over ams just like for aux2bat today
its so sad LOL
so many counters, so little true advantage, and folks getting hung up because they cant work the problem:(
The only counter I've seen to Aux2bat is having 2-3 subnukes ready once the ship uses aux2bat, because most of them now carry a ST around to clear the first one. Even then, they sometimes carry extra cheese hence the 3rd one. Frankly, I'm surprised the devs have allowed the aux2bat party to go on this long. It shouldn't require 3 science captains to bring down a single cruiser.
The only counter I've seen to Aux2bat is having 2-3 subnukes ready once the ship uses aux2bat, because most of them now carry a ST around to clear the first one. Even then, they sometimes carry extra cheese hence the 3rd one. Frankly, I'm surprised the devs have allowed the aux2bat party to go on this long. It shouldn't require 3 science captains to bring down a single cruiser.
But what you are saying isn't that its aux2bat itself that is OP, its the synergy of several features that allows the engineer to clear subnuke.
Im guessing you are talking about a healing/tank cruiser engineer, that has 100% focus on healing and removing debuffs... which is kinda sorta OP viewed in a defensive point of view, in a 1 vs 1 scenario, unless you have no idea what you are doing, they will never be able to kill you. In an arena match, i find them both useful and fun to fight against, because as the powercreep is nowadays, its good that someone has been able to create a build that makes the battles more challenging, and last abit longer.
"Better were the days when mastery o' space came not from bargains struck with eldritch creatures... but from the sweat of a man's brow and the strength of his back alone. Ye all know thi's to be true!"
Well that's some ego. There's always someone better than you.
Thank you, this is the point i am trying to make.
One can think that they are the best, and not accept any other reality. These are the people that will always stay at the same level of skill. People that knows that there will always be someone better than you out there, are the people that will grow, in both knowledge and skill, and always thrive for more.
I know i'm not the best. And when i duel people i always hope they will beat me, because then i can get back to the drawingboard and do what i love the most in this game, experiment with builds, and figure out new ways giving people the feeling of: "WTF just happened". Like i did with Scora, when he couldnt figure out why i flew around him with 30% hull for several minutes. (this still makes me chuckle.)
"Better were the days when mastery o' space came not from bargains struck with eldritch creatures... but from the sweat of a man's brow and the strength of his back alone. Ye all know thi's to be true!"
Earlier I was playing in the voth ground battlezone. For a moment I was thinking about those dinosaurs and lazers on their heads and it occurred to me that maybe I should just alt+f4 and uninstall. So yeah, the lingering impression is that this game is no longer Star Trek. My only consolation is that I won't be there for long, I'm just leveling up a cat which I will use to explore what ground has to offer.
Star Trek... Oh, you mean that show where dinosaurs escaped extinction on a starship they built, the Olympian gods are real, the immortal Flint (who was Alexander the Great, Leonardo da Vinci, and Johannes Brahms, among others) can shrink the Enterprise into a Christmas ornament, ancient aliens populated the galaxy with Earthlings (including native Americans), there's a planet where a duplicate Roman Empire evolved and Jesus is starting Christianity there too, telekinetic Platonians have an entire planetary government based on Plato's Republic, traveling to the galactic barrier at the edge of the Milky Way will turn your eyes silver and make you omnipotent, and 1960s Earth is defended by a time traveling special agent whose assistant is a shape-shifting black cat.
My ambassador has clocked 6K dps, and that's just me fooling around wheeeeeee style. I'm almost certain someone better than me at the dps dance can clock 10K maybe more. So I have to ask, what more do these people want? To kill everything with a single volley? Because 6K is more than enough to handle elite content.
I am not trying to be rude, but the Ambassador should do at least ~13k dps in PvE. Even the Nebula is in the ~11-12k deeps range using a2b, which is the reason why this build has the reputation it has, even if few use it right. 6k dps is enough to be 3rd or 4th, but one should strive to be 1st or 2nd, no?
I am not talking to you now, but generally, all the complaining in this thread amounts to poor sports who don't want to gain experience and experiment with the various maximizing builds this game has to offer. Ergo, they take no joy in actually playing the game, to say nothing of RPing, but only in complaining about the success of others when they perceive themselves to be under-powered. Clearly childish.
Ok, this thread is over and above any acceptable threshold for trash talk.
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... the irony :rolleyes:... u may read my posts as i can't speak for others. but regarding my point(s) u just totally missed em/u may consider urself having a blind eye as well
I run my crusiers a2b because they are TRIBBLE without it, they are in no way better than my non a2b ROM ships, my bop or my sci vessels. The only other ship I feel forced to run a2b on is the nicor but that's with dhc, again I wouldn't say that's my best ship.
Ok, lets say i agree with you at some degree. But any player that knows what he's doing will perform well in basicly any build, as long as they build the build for a purpose, all my skills, consoles, everything, are chosen from trial and fail + from what i know from experience.
I fell in love with the Nicor, because it fits the current meta in the pvp today.. and yeah i run one copy of aux2bat. I have a build on the nicor, that ofcourse benefit from the aux2bat to some degree, but its not the most vital part of the build. And if a certain skill, will compliment the build i am currently running, why should i not choose to use this? Because some other player has decided that its "cheating" ? This is an ability that is available for everyone! Even the technicians aren't that hard to get a hold of...... so why should i dumb down my build? Also a2bat is a "overbuff". You do know ofcourse that you have to have the skill on cooldown, that means you have to had used it, before its benefitial to even use aux2bat?`that means every time u use a2b without having all the skills on cooldown, its the same as wasting it away.
So in that sense, using any doff that affect powerlevels, or cooldowns on any skills, also is OP, because you can use those for as much benefit as the technicians give... maybe even more on certain builds.
Read again... I am not using a2b. i am using dem3 to counter a2b. +1 comprehension skills
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Hear hear!, See looks like some other experienced player decided utter words of wisdom.
But like you said.. its way easyer to convince yourself that the skill is broken and then complain about it om the forum.... than learning how to counter it, or master it.
Oh TRIBBLE, you are correct.. DOOOOOOM DOOOOOM! zomg run to the woods!
I wonder how one can "counter" aux2bat directly... hmmmmmmm maybe perhaps there might be a slight chance that this is the problem?Its because you focus to much on countering the spesific skill than trying to learn how to counter spesific tactics or complete builds....?
Open your mind to the possibilities instead of the complete focus on a skill that really doesnt make any difference at all, unless used for a spesific purpose.. and not only to "get global cooldown". But the same could be said about any spesific skill, ability, item, boff or doff... if used in flawless synergy for a spesific purpose.....
Experience is OP pls nurf!
FYI, this was ment as a general reply to the whole thread, not directed at you.. :P
Well, for me this game is actually about having fun.. and i love tinkering with builds, i have spent so much time and EC's on buying sometimes really crappy gear to test out a theory.... But by doing this so many times, has given me valuable experience that i believe helps me in this game.
Thats why i get slightly insulted when someone says that the only reason i won, was because i used one copy of a2b on my build... which is utter nonesense..
Success in this game comes from knowing what to do, and more importantly WHEN to do it. and that can only be learned from experience. Same goes with shipbuilds... some skills are ofcourse easyer to implement to a build, like a2b, but that doesnt mean that the skills is any better than any other skill if you use them in the correct synergy....
The only counter I've seen to Aux2bat is having 2-3 subnukes ready once the ship uses aux2bat, because most of them now carry a ST around to clear the first one. Even then, they sometimes carry extra cheese hence the 3rd one. Frankly, I'm surprised the devs have allowed the aux2bat party to go on this long. It shouldn't require 3 science captains to bring down a single cruiser.
But what you are saying isn't that its aux2bat itself that is OP, its the synergy of several features that allows the engineer to clear subnuke.
Im guessing you are talking about a healing/tank cruiser engineer, that has 100% focus on healing and removing debuffs... which is kinda sorta OP viewed in a defensive point of view, in a 1 vs 1 scenario, unless you have no idea what you are doing, they will never be able to kill you. In an arena match, i find them both useful and fun to fight against, because as the powercreep is nowadays, its good that someone has been able to create a build that makes the battles more challenging, and last abit longer.
Well that's some ego. There's always someone better than you.
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Thank you, this is the point i am trying to make.
One can think that they are the best, and not accept any other reality. These are the people that will always stay at the same level of skill. People that knows that there will always be someone better than you out there, are the people that will grow, in both knowledge and skill, and always thrive for more.
I know i'm not the best. And when i duel people i always hope they will beat me, because then i can get back to the drawingboard and do what i love the most in this game, experiment with builds, and figure out new ways giving people the feeling of: "WTF just happened". Like i did with Scora, when he couldnt figure out why i flew around him with 30% hull for several minutes. (this still makes me chuckle.)
Star Trek... Oh, you mean that show where dinosaurs escaped extinction on a starship they built, the Olympian gods are real, the immortal Flint (who was Alexander the Great, Leonardo da Vinci, and Johannes Brahms, among others) can shrink the Enterprise into a Christmas ornament, ancient aliens populated the galaxy with Earthlings (including native Americans), there's a planet where a duplicate Roman Empire evolved and Jesus is starting Christianity there too, telekinetic Platonians have an entire planetary government based on Plato's Republic, traveling to the galactic barrier at the edge of the Milky Way will turn your eyes silver and make you omnipotent, and 1960s Earth is defended by a time traveling special agent whose assistant is a shape-shifting black cat.
Uh, huh.
I am not trying to be rude, but the Ambassador should do at least ~13k dps in PvE. Even the Nebula is in the ~11-12k deeps range using a2b, which is the reason why this build has the reputation it has, even if few use it right. 6k dps is enough to be 3rd or 4th, but one should strive to be 1st or 2nd, no?
I am not talking to you now, but generally, all the complaining in this thread amounts to poor sports who don't want to gain experience and experiment with the various maximizing builds this game has to offer. Ergo, they take no joy in actually playing the game, to say nothing of RPing, but only in complaining about the success of others when they perceive themselves to be under-powered. Clearly childish.
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