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Griefing on Risa - Race Sabotage

azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
edited June 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Just ran a race on Risa, and ran into a nasty surprise at the Finish line. Someone put up a Cover Shield right at the flags, preventing people from getting to them.




At this rate, I won't be surprised that they nerf Cover Shields to the point they only work on certain PvE missions. :(
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    thats what you get when you encourage competition, some people never play fair and it happens. all you need is 2 people, one at the race and the other waiting at the finish line, let the friend racing cross the line first, have the other friend quickly put up the cover shield, back up everyone into it.

    this is what happens when you dont tighten up the issues, someone will exploit the system somewhere and where there is one, there are many more waiting to follow. but thats likely an overreaction, this must be the first case i heard of it and now the cat is out the bag with free advertising by a concerned person who was racing unknowingly, it may end up spreading unfortunately.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,016 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Two possibilities:

    1) All combat abilities (captain and kit) will be disabled on all social maps or on risa. After all, there is no need to use them there in the first place.

    2) Nothing happens.

    Take your pick :D
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  • l30p4rdl30p4rd Member Posts: 334 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    ohh just gave me an idea I will have to dust my engineer off now XD

    Engineers unite and place yourselves at strategic places on the race map MUWHAHHHAHA :P

    4 engineers with cover shields should be able to disqualify all race goers if they think about it !
  • adverberoadverbero Member Posts: 2,045 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    This is why we can't have nice things
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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited June 2014
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  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot
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    edited June 2014
    sopwithsnipe wrote: »
    Sure cheating is a possible motivator but It's far more likely it's a just one of the losers that thinks it's funny to TRIBBLE people off.

    Now all we need is someone from the anti-party amp faction to come in and try to justify abusing this exploit as a reason to yank disco balls from the game.

    Obligatory post about how Party Amps are to blame for this exploit and all other EBIL since the beginning of time. ;)
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  • aelfwin1aelfwin1 Member Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    edited June 2014
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  • tucker84tucker84 Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    But, but... All my "combat abilities" are disabled on Risa. How did they do it?
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    tucker84 wrote: »
    But, but... All my "combat abilities" are disabled on Risa. How did they do it?

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  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    mirrorchaos wrote: »
    thats what you get when you encourage competition, some people never play fair and it happens. all you need is 2 people, one at the race and the other waiting at the finish line, let the friend racing cross the line first, have the other friend quickly put up the cover shield, back up everyone into it.
    There is a flaw in this plan: Namely, that if your friend crosses the line first, he is ALREADY WINNING. At this point, all your plan serves is to cause an inconvenience to people who are not important, which, for shorthand, we will refer to as LOSERS. Why does it matter what happens to them if your friend has already won?
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  • thetaninethetanine Member Posts: 1,367 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    ENGies who use Cover Shield outside of combat should be spayed or neutered or sent to West Virginia...where it ain't love unless it's intermarriage with your immediate family or first cousins.

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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    doffingcomrade wrote: »
    There is a flaw in this plan: Namely, that if your friend crosses the line first, he is ALREADY WINNING. At this point, all your plan serves is to cause an inconvenience to people who are not important, which, for shorthand, we will refer to as LOSERS. Why does it matter what happens to them if your friend has already won?

    thats not a flaw, thats by design and your forgetting the latency issue, especially in a close race or even a distant race, as long as there is a delay for the racer to win without anyone stopping him regardless and no one is punished for it, its only a matter of time before others start doing it and it then becomes a flaw in your own thinking, race fair or beat them at their own game?
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    doffingcomrade wrote: »
    There is a flaw in this plan: Namely, that if your friend crosses the line first, he is ALREADY WINNING. At this point, all your plan serves is to cause an inconvenience to people who are not important, which, for shorthand, we will refer to as LOSERS. Why does it matter what happens to them if your friend has already won?

    Maybe it could become some kind of racketeering/protection money scheme?

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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    doffingcomrade wrote: »
    There is a flaw in this plan: Namely, that if your friend crosses the line first, he is ALREADY WINNING. At this point, all your plan serves is to cause an inconvenience to people who are not important, which, for shorthand, we will refer to as LOSERS. Why does it matter what happens to them if your friend has already won?
    Why should the rules revolve around your opinion?
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  • policestate76policestate76 Member Posts: 1,424 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    azurianstar wrote: »
    Just ran a race on Risa, and ran into a nasty surprise at the Finish line. Someone put up a Cover Shield right at the flags, preventing people from getting to them.




    At this rate, I won't be surprised that they nerf Cover Shields to the point they only work on certain PvE missions. :(


    I find this behaviour in a lot of places. Stupid dumb kids doing stupid things to just TRIBBLE off people. I dunno why they do it. Honestly. Thats one of the reasons i always say that STO is full of kids. Even if they are not kids talking about age, their behaviour is definitely the one of a little kid.
  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    It really sucks that this is happening. Unfortunately by continuing to talk about it in such a manner we are feeding the trolls that are doing it. Seriously, by talking about it will only encourage them to do it more and more to also start doing it as well.
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  • spacebaronlinespacebaronline Member Posts: 1,103 Arc User
    edited June 2014
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  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    orangeitis wrote: »
    Why should the rules revolve around your opinion?
    Their unimportance isn't a matter of opinion, it's an objective fact. They lost, since your friends entered first, therefore, they are unimportant.
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  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    orangeitis wrote: »
    Why should the rules revolve around your opinion?

    Because the only way around "everyone behind the winner is a loser" is to go all Special Olympics and make it "You signed up for the race, you're a winner, here's your prize. Oh, if you want you can actually run the race, but that's optional so...whatever."

    If you want that, fine- but I'm quite against adding any more deliberate "Derp factor" than we already have.
  • crusaders4christcrusaders4christ Member Posts: 62 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Is this really happening in a social zone design for fun & recreation? This is truly appalling. :(
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  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    crusaders4christ wrote: »
    Is this really happening in a social zone design for fun & recreation? This is truly appalling. :(

    If this surprises you, all I can say is: "Welcome to your first day of online multiplayer gaming, enjoy it now because it's all downhill from here." :cool:
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    doffingcomrade wrote: »
    Their unimportance isn't a matter of opinion, it's an objective fact.
    No, it's not. It's your opinion.
    doffingcomrade wrote: »
    They lost, since your friends entered first, therefore, they are unimportant.
    It's not my friends we're talking about. It's anyone who is in this position. Also, your argument reeks of the equivalence fallacy.

    That's your opinion whether or not they are important or not. No one is more important than any other in any competition. That's the whole idea of fair play. The 'winner', or the one who earned first place is no more objectively important than any others. The others earned their positions in the context of skill alone, and do not deserve to be sabotaged.

    The competition isn't a competition to see who is important or not, it's to see who is best at winning whatever the competition features solely using the competitor's skill. On top of that, any position someone has in the competition doesn't justify anyone using unfair methods like cheating or sabotage on them, because that is outside their skill. To disrespect that aspect is to not recognize their skill in the competition. Besides, this particular race was set up so that second and third place could also be used as a competitive target.

    You don't make the rules here, nor do the ones who disrupt the races. And you certainly don't decide who's important or not.
    aloishammer wrote: »
    Because the only way around "everyone behind the winner is a loser" is to go all Special Olympics and make it "You signed up for the race, you're a winner, here's your prize. Oh, if you want you can actually run the race, but that's optional so...whatever."

    If you want that, fine- but I'm quite against adding any more deliberate "Derp factor" than we already have.
    No one's claiming that everyone that entered is a winner. There is only one winner of first place, only one runner-up, etc. But the important thing here is acknowledging their positions in the race purely from their skill. That's the test here. Any position other than first place does not justify the use of cheats or sabotage.
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  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    orangeitis wrote: »
    No one's claiming that everyone that entered is a winner. There is only one winner of first place, only one runner-up, etc. But the important thing here is acknowledging their positions in the race purely from their skill. That's the test here. Any position other than first place does not justify the use of cheats or sabotage.

    You don't make the rules here, nor do the ones who disrupt the races. And you certainly don't decide who's important or not.

    sopwithsnipe wrote: »
    And considering how childish people get in their forum flame wars I wouldn't be surprised if some of this griefing was being done to try to get people in certain fleets in trouble, just like that thread a week or so ago when some people tried arguing that the image of an eagle is a TRIBBLE symbol and the unpopular fleet using it should be punished.

    This, and then some. I was initially puzzled when the Lohlunat Festival wasn't accompanied by a tsunami of "OMG teh ebil Disco Balls" threads. But now I'm pretty certain those threads are here, they're just all incognito.
  • phantrosityphantrosity Member Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    orangeitis wrote: »
    The competition isn't a competition to see who is important or not, it's to see who is best at winning whatever the competition features solely using the competitor's skill.

    What is your opinion on Superior Powerboards?
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    aloishammer wrote: »
    You don't make the rules here, nor do the ones who disrupt the races. And you certainly don't decide who's important or not.
    Right. What's your point?
    phantrosity wrote: »
    What is your opinion on Superior Powerboards?
    They are an element of the race that was designed to be a variable by the company that designed the race. Not comparable to third-party cheats or sabotage at all.
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  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    orangeitis wrote: »
    Right. What's your point?

    Pretty blinking obvious, or so I thought.

    Nobody's opinion on how things "should be" counts as anything but unsubstantiated opinion, even yours, unless their name is yellow and/or has "Dev" preceding it.

    Now before this hiccup turns into another Disco Ball Holy War, the Devs need to disable Cover Shields on Risa (like they should have done to begin with) and then another non-issue will fade into obscurity leaving said issue's partisans flailing about for a new cause.
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    aloishammer wrote: »
    Pretty blinking obvious, or so I thought.

    Nobody's opinion on how things "should be" counts as anything but unsubstantiated opinion, even yours, unless their name is yellow and/or has "Dev" preceding it.
    That's right. But why did you feel the need to specifically address me? Did you think that I was trying to convey my own opinion as fact? Because I wasn't.

    And if you thought it was that, I apologize.
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  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
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  • woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Cryptic: Works as intended. Because if it wouldnt be intended, we would have taken care of it in the first place :D
  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    orangeitis wrote: »
    That's your opinion whether or not they are important or not. No one is more important than any other in any competition.
    If that were true, why are they penalized on the reward, hrm? Clearly they are NOT important, which is why they do not get the reward.
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