This isn't the military, it's a game. I agree that it's silly for people to run around in dresses, but this isn't America's Army.
There are many different people playing from different factions/fleets, etc. You aren't going to have everyone in the same freaking uniform even within the Federation.
I'm sorry, I thought Star Trek was about exploring our differences and why they're awesome.
Silly me.
This. Infinite diversity in infinite combinations.
More practically, it would just cause masses of lag. Nobody wants lag, so it wont happen.
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edited June 2014
One of the great advantages of STO is its customization options.
And colson15 is right. Not everyone is going to wear the same exact uniform. Did Voyager adopt the updated uniform after they reestablished contact with Starfleet? Nope.
And we saw in the early seasons of DS9 and in Generations that having more than one style uniform in service happens. We also saw it throughout TNG after the switch in uniforms. Some (Most notably the main cast) wore the newer uniforms while some background personnel wore the older S1 uniforms.
I myself prefer the Sierra 1 uniform as I don't have the Odyssey on all my Feds.
If you want to rationalize it in your own personal head canon, you can say that the different uniforms are representative of assignments to different sectors, with different uniforms being adopted for one reason or another while the Odyssey is the general mainstream Starfleet uniform. Formal Wear and Merc outfits... off duty and/or were caught in the middle of something when a crisis came up?
We used to have the convenience of a toggle to turn on/off the armor visuals for our characters and bridge officers. But there was little complaining on these boards regarding that being eliminated.
We can still right click on the character portrait and change costumes in the field.
If they bought the toggle back for our bridge officers, then what have now would be good enough for me.
There is no need for an overly convoluted and complicated system for character visuals. People are going to add personal touches to their characters, since this is an MMO. If one doesn't like it, there are plenty of single player games out there to suit one's taste.
This isn't the military, it's a game. I agree that it's silly for people to run around in dresses, but this isn't America's Army.
There are many different people playing from different factions/fleets, etc. You aren't going to have everyone in the same freaking uniform even within the Federation.
So wait...STO is a game but America's Army isn't? Norman Coordinate.
I was going to try to explain how military uniforms work but...not worth it.
I'll just say you're right, not everyone is in the exact same uniform all the time, but in a given situation like say...visiting ESD there will be certain uniform requirements. Specifically you would either wear a "working uniform" or a dress uniform or in certain situations APPROPRIATE civilian attire. You would not wear combat gear or a swimsuit for example.
This. Infinite diversity in infinite combinations.
More practically, it would just cause masses of lag. Nobody wants lag, so it wont happen.
1) IDIC is a red herring, SF/KDF/RR are military organization, you aren't a special snowflake, you will wear the prescribed uniform of the day. The real military has all races and both sexes but they still wear the same uniform (there may be different accessories for male/female)
2) It would cause no lag if you have a decent computer, it would be client side. If you have a TRIBBLE computer then you can turn it off. It would likely cause LESS client side lag because uniforms have less poly's and simpler textures.
Seriously, do you guys realise how silly you sound giving this reply in all kinds of MMOs every time someone suggests something you don't like?
"DERP....GO PLAY SOMETHING ELSE.....DERP".
Woah so other mmo players are suggesting you go play a single player star trek game instead if you don't like something? That's impressive. Also that was internet sarcasm.
personally As long as it was kept 100% CLIENT side and in no way on the server. I would have no issue with it. I wouldn't use it as I enjoy seeing what people can come up with. so far I have spotted a Doctor who clone, the joker from Batman, and Yoda.
how about this have it developed and a download placed in the z store. say 1000 zen. Pay the zen and you get a download that gets added to your computer, you can control it from there it wont effect anyone that like me doesn't want to use it and Cryptic gets a payday.
Seriously, do you guys realise how silly you sound giving this reply in all kinds of MMOs every time someone suggests something you don't like?
"DERP....GO PLAY SOMETHING ELSE.....DERP".
Not half as silly as all the control freaks petitioning for performance-crippling bloat code to give them the total dictatorial control over "having fun wrong" that they can't seem to live without.
"DERP...not wearing what I think you should...DERP." :rolleyes:
Not half as silly as all the control freaks petitioning for performance-crippling bloat code to give them the total dictatorial control over "having fun wrong" that they can't seem to live without.
"DERP...not wearing what I think you should...DERP." :rolleyes:
Wow you seem to have A LOT of nerdrage.
So slappy...
How do you know it's "performance crippling" and "bloat code"? Oh that's right, you don't...you're just talking out of your TRIBBLE$ trying to sound like you have a clue.
How about you explain how something that would not affect you one bit is "total dictatorial control over having fun wrong"?
Does it terrify you that much that someone may not be forced to see whatever stupid combo you've come up with because of "teh funny"?
Or are you just another "me first" MMO goober who tries to shoot down any idea that isn't something they want in the hopes that devs will work on what they do want?
How do you know it's "performance crippling" and "bloat code"? Oh that's right, you don't...you're just talking out of your TRIBBLE$ trying to sound like you have a clue.
How about you explain how something that would not affect you one bit is "total dictatorial control over having fun wrong"?
Does it terrify you that much that someone may not be forced to see whatever stupid combo you've come up with because of "teh funny"?
Or are you just another "me first" MMO goober who tries to shoot down any idea that isn't something they want in the hopes that devs will work on what they do want?
I don't think he's the one suffering with the "nerd rage". :rolleyes:
In all seriousness this idea shows just how much you don't understand how this game works. A great deal of the things in this game are not rendered client side. It would require completely changing how the servers and clients communicate with each other, most likely increasing lag, and decreasing performance for everyone just so you can have "yer immursun".
Clearly you are the one going all "me first" here. The devs shouldn't have to do any work that could otherwise be solved with patience and an open mind.
If i pay for a premium version, I can actually change your character to how i want it, and also allow me to access your account, so i can also control that character, and have it play how i want. :cool:
Mmm now thats a good one, we let him dance on disco balls, In a heavy voth costume and when he goes out flying we let him take a shuttle so after every fight we have to rescue him .... :P
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
Nice how you have no argument against the rest of the post that you conveniently edited out.
Unlike the computer in WarGames, I recognize futility. After seeing you proclaim others to have "a lot of nerd rage" after several of your own responses made clear you suffer no lack of same, it became clear there's no more argument coming from you than you claim is coming from anyone else.
But I'd really love to see you get all these toggles you want client-side...the tears as your machine tries to sort through all the categories and compare every player in view to them would produce predictable results, which would in turn produce predictable responses from you and everyone who thought such granular control was great until they saw how it worked in reality. To wit: You think things get slide-show-ish when a bunch of ships are onscreen in the Undine Battlezone, you ain't seen nothing yet.
Devs, please give the OP exactly what he's asking for. I'll have "be careful what you wish for- you just might get it" waiting and ready.
Unlike the computer in WarGames, I recognize futility. After seeing you proclaim others to have "a lot of nerd rage" after several of your own responses made clear you suffer no lack of same, it became clear there's no more argument coming from you than you claim is coming from anyone else.
But I'd really love to see you get all these toggles you want client-side...the tears as your machine tries to sort through all the categories and compare every player in view to them would produce predictable results, which would in turn produce predictable responses from you and everyone who thought such granular control was great until they saw how it worked in reality. To wit: You think things get slide-show-ish when a bunch of ships are onscreen in the Undine Battlezone, you ain't seen nothing yet.
Devs, please give the OP exactly what he's asking for. I'll have "be careful what you wish for- you just might get it" waiting and ready.
you got nothing you aren't making up as you go, aye.
Heres a suggestion, If you see one of these "special snowflakes" then try your best to imagine they are on the Starbase to see a Psychiatric Specialist about their "unique" dispositions
Or a more plausible scenario, at least as far as Federation Bases go, Most of these Starbases are allowing Civilian access, So just imagine its a visiting dignitary or private security of some sort
I know thats a big stretch for some, but for the sake of your own sanity, try and find a way to rationalise it without it effecting your Blood pressure.
I know there are some shockers out there, but for all the awful examples, there are many creative and impressive looking outfits that you would miss out on if they were switched off
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The extent to which Starfleet may be considered a military organization is somewhat questionable. Nicholas Meyer remarked of Starfleet's militarism, "It existed to some extent in the [original] television series but Gene Roddenberry was very adamant that the Starfleet was not a military or a militaristic operation"
Its even been "explicitly" stated that Starfleet is NOT a military, and that's hard canon. :rolleyes:
They are by every definition of the word, and are acknowledged to be so by other races within the Star trek universe
noun
1.
the armed forces of a country.
Are they armed? Yes
Are their actions sanctioned by a recognised Government? Yes
Starfleet is more that a military certainly, they have exploritary and scientific mandates thats for sure, but they are the Armed forces of the Federation
The only people in Star trek that seem to be in denial about it is Starfleet itself
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Have you ever seen a military organization....like anywhere?
There are many different people playing from different factions/fleets, etc. You aren't going to have everyone in the same freaking uniform even within the Federation.
This. Infinite diversity in infinite combinations.
More practically, it would just cause masses of lag. Nobody wants lag, so it wont happen.
And colson15 is right. Not everyone is going to wear the same exact uniform. Did Voyager adopt the updated uniform after they reestablished contact with Starfleet? Nope.
And we saw in the early seasons of DS9 and in Generations that having more than one style uniform in service happens. We also saw it throughout TNG after the switch in uniforms. Some (Most notably the main cast) wore the newer uniforms while some background personnel wore the older S1 uniforms.
I myself prefer the Sierra 1 uniform as I don't have the Odyssey on all my Feds.
If you want to rationalize it in your own personal head canon, you can say that the different uniforms are representative of assignments to different sectors, with different uniforms being adopted for one reason or another while the Odyssey is the general mainstream Starfleet uniform. Formal Wear and Merc outfits... off duty and/or were caught in the middle of something when a crisis came up?
We can still right click on the character portrait and change costumes in the field.
If they bought the toggle back for our bridge officers, then what have now would be good enough for me.
There is no need for an overly convoluted and complicated system for character visuals. People are going to add personal touches to their characters, since this is an MMO. If one doesn't like it, there are plenty of single player games out there to suit one's taste.
So wait...STO is a game but America's Army isn't? Norman Coordinate.
I was going to try to explain how military uniforms work but...not worth it.
I'll just say you're right, not everyone is in the exact same uniform all the time, but in a given situation like say...visiting ESD there will be certain uniform requirements. Specifically you would either wear a "working uniform" or a dress uniform or in certain situations APPROPRIATE civilian attire. You would not wear combat gear or a swimsuit for example.
1) IDIC is a red herring, SF/KDF/RR are military organization, you aren't a special snowflake, you will wear the prescribed uniform of the day. The real military has all races and both sexes but they still wear the same uniform (there may be different accessories for male/female)
2) It would cause no lag if you have a decent computer, it would be client side. If you have a TRIBBLE computer then you can turn it off. It would likely cause LESS client side lag because uniforms have less poly's and simpler textures.
Woah so other mmo players are suggesting you go play a single player star trek game instead if you don't like something? That's impressive. Also that was internet sarcasm.
how about this have it developed and a download placed in the z store. say 1000 zen. Pay the zen and you get a download that gets added to your computer, you can control it from there it wont effect anyone that like me doesn't want to use it and Cryptic gets a payday.
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As they will all of your PvP suggestions....because no one really cares about it?
How's that exploit they fixed going for you?
Not half as silly as all the control freaks petitioning for performance-crippling bloat code to give them the total dictatorial control over "having fun wrong" that they can't seem to live without.
"DERP...not wearing what I think you should...DERP." :rolleyes:
Starfleet isn't a military.
Wow you seem to have A LOT of nerdrage.
So slappy...
How do you know it's "performance crippling" and "bloat code"? Oh that's right, you don't...you're just talking out of your TRIBBLE$ trying to sound like you have a clue.
How about you explain how something that would not affect you one bit is "total dictatorial control over having fun wrong"?
Does it terrify you that much that someone may not be forced to see whatever stupid combo you've come up with because of "teh funny"?
Or are you just another "me first" MMO goober who tries to shoot down any idea that isn't something they want in the hopes that devs will work on what they do want?
Klingon War
Romulan War
Borg War
Captain Kirk
Commander Spock
Lt Uhura
Everything in the game being combat based.
Did you say it's not military with a straight face?
(thanks for being predictable though, I knew someone would try that line)
Gotta balance out all the "DERP" coming from this thread's OP somehow.
I don't think he's the one suffering with the "nerd rage". :rolleyes:
In all seriousness this idea shows just how much you don't understand how this game works. A great deal of the things in this game are not rendered client side. It would require completely changing how the servers and clients communicate with each other, most likely increasing lag, and decreasing performance for everyone just so you can have "yer immursun".
Clearly you are the one going all "me first" here. The devs shouldn't have to do any work that could otherwise be solved with patience and an open mind.
Yes it is.
Mmm now thats a good one, we let him dance on disco balls, In a heavy voth costume and when he goes out flying we let him take a shuttle so after every fight we have to rescue him .... :P
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
Nice how you have no argument against the rest of the post that you conveniently edited out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Revolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Revolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleeding_Kansas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viet_Cong
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchant_navy
You don't need a military to fight a war.
Unlike the computer in WarGames, I recognize futility. After seeing you proclaim others to have "a lot of nerd rage" after several of your own responses made clear you suffer no lack of same, it became clear there's no more argument coming from you than you claim is coming from anyone else.
But I'd really love to see you get all these toggles you want client-side...the tears as your machine tries to sort through all the categories and compare every player in view to them would produce predictable results, which would in turn produce predictable responses from you and everyone who thought such granular control was great until they saw how it worked in reality. To wit: You think things get slide-show-ish when a bunch of ships are onscreen in the Undine Battlezone, you ain't seen nothing yet.
Devs, please give the OP exactly what he's asking for. I'll have "be careful what you wish for- you just might get it" waiting and ready.
you got nothing you aren't making up as you go, aye.
OK, you can keep pretending it's not.
The rest of us will laugh at you.
You and the mouse in your pocket? :rolleyes:
Or a more plausible scenario, at least as far as Federation Bases go, Most of these Starbases are allowing Civilian access, So just imagine its a visiting dignitary or private security of some sort
I know thats a big stretch for some, but for the sake of your own sanity, try and find a way to rationalise it without it effecting your Blood pressure.
I know there are some shockers out there, but for all the awful examples, there are many creative and impressive looking outfits that you would miss out on if they were switched off
He who laughs last.....
They are by every definition of the word, and are acknowledged to be so by other races within the Star trek universe
noun
1.
the armed forces of a country.
Are they armed? Yes
Are their actions sanctioned by a recognised Government? Yes
Starfleet is more that a military certainly, they have exploritary and scientific mandates thats for sure, but they are the Armed forces of the Federation
The only people in Star trek that seem to be in denial about it is Starfleet itself
Yeah, you're going to have to back that up with a link to someone who matters.
and even on the off chance someone said that.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
Using your logic I could label all of the American armed forces as not military too because they have research branches.
So, like I said, you can pretend it's not the military all you want.