all the time we spend choosing the outfits we want to wear ect. so we can show it all off to others, then all the time we spend earning that ship or even paying money sometimes with the same idea wont I look cool flying this around and you want to take all of that away from us and make us look how you want us to look and fly what you want us to fly or at least make it look that way to you.
how selfish can you get, what a totalitarian outlook you must have does it bother you when you are out that people are wearing clothes you don't approve of or maybe have strange and colourful hair styles ec.
thank god for individualism.
So twelve pages of people accusing me of trying to control others...and yet that is exactly what you all are trying to do.
You want to force others to see you looking like an idiot or way out of place or both.
imo starfleet is like the uss defiant on paper its a escort but in reality its a warship on paper starfleet isn't a military but in reality it is again MO
So twelve pages of people accusing me of trying to control others...and yet that is exactly what you all are trying to do.
You want to force others to see you looking like an idiot or way out of place or both.
I am not forcing anyone to do anything, it is their choice to play a game which allows players to express their individualiy in their look and the way they dress.
I am sure there are many other mmo`s out there that do not have this feature, I glad to say this one does.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
It was on screen. Written by the creator. Starfleet is not a military. It's purpose, it's function, it's creed, it's reason for existence, both in the Star Trek universe and the real world, it's not a military. It is an ideal. An ideal scientific organization that exists to better humanity though diplomacy, exploration, and scientific discovery, that has all the heroism and organization of a military, but is not one.
That is why Gene Roddenberry created Starfleet.
Is that realistic? No. It's not. That's why people constantly want to call it a military, because it's unlikely that Starfleet could exist as that ideal. As awesome as something that simultaneously functions as NASA and the Coast Guard in space sounds, I will concede that no, Starfleet is not realistic. But that's okay because it's a story.
Frankly, I don't give a TRIBBLE what Roddenberry thought Starfleet was, because he wrote Starfleet as the internationally recognized body officially tasked by their government to use armed force in the defense of their citizens against armed aggression. That makes them a military, because they meet the functional definition of a military.
The sticky part is, Starfleet is not only a military. They're also explorers and scientists and diplomats. But when push comes to shove, the Federation does not call up some other organization to meet force with force. That job falls to Starfleet, which makes them a military organization whether they, I, you, or Roddenberry like it or not.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
imo starfleet is like the uss defiant on paper its a escort but in reality its a warship on paper starfleet isn't a military but in reality it is again MO
The problem is old Gene was pretty much a barking Moonbat by the time he died. And like most extreme leftwingers he seemed to have a strong distaste for the military, so he tried to claim Starfleet wasn't a military organization, when in fact it will meet every definition of military you will find.
It's not the first time old Gene contradicted himself...take for example...the use of currency.
Frankly, I don't give a TRIBBLE what Roddenberry thought Starfleet was, because he wrote Starfleet as the internationally recognized body officially tasked by their government to use armed force in the defense of their citizens against armed aggression. That makes them a military, because they meet the functional definition of a military.
The sticky part is, Starfleet is not only a military. They're also explorers and scientists and diplomats. But when push comes to shove, the Federation does not call up some other organization to meet force with force. That job falls to Starfleet, which makes them a military organization whether they, I, you, or Roddenberry like it or not.
It's not really a sticky point.
The navy has has research departments.
The navy has deep sea subs that do exploration.
Ship captains and above engage in a diplomacy when visiting foreign countries.
Yeah, who cares about what the godfather of modern science fiction thought anyway. :rolleyes:
Nobody who wants to remake the game in their ultra-right-wing "It's all about the military, period," "my way or the highway," "You're either with us or against us," "Mission Accomplished" image?
If you force me to change me looks, well frankly you need to step out, and mind your own business....
I do not wear a pink suit around ESD for no reason at all...
I wear it because I FEEL like wearing it, and because I AM ALLOWED to wear it...
ok... that is my... yeah whatever its called..
*goes back to eating popcorn*
No one is forcing you to change anything, that's a red herring some are trying to push.
What I'm suggesting is a way that **I** don't have to see what you look like. You would still see your outfit and so would anyone who chose not to turn the option on.
What most here are trying to do is what they accuse me of trying to do, they want to force people to see what they are wearing.
Nobody who wants to remake the game in their ultra-right-wing "It's all about the military, period," "my way or the highway," "You're either with us or against us," "Mission Accomplished" image?
You are aware STO is already everything you just described, right?
No one is forcing you to change anything, that's a red herring some are trying to push.
What I'm suggesting is a way that **I** don't have to see what you look like. You would still see your outfit and so would anyone who chose not to turn the option on.
What most here are trying to do is what they accuse me of trying to do, they want to force people to see what they are wearing.
See the Gold there...
This is what is not only is hurting everyone, but me as well... If you don't like the look of anyone else... why the h... are you even playing an MMO???
You really need to accept the way other people look like, or your not gonna get very far...
Your pretty much slapping everyone in the face by saying... I don't like your look, I don't want to look at it...
If this is the case... then you need to step out a bit, breath, and rethink what you are suggesting...
Every MMO that has player customization is to allow players to show-off their toons/avatars, in this case, its our Pink, Yellow, Purple outfits. If you don't like them... Then just don't look at them, or just don't play an MMO...
What I'm suggesting is a way that **I** don't have to see what you look like.
Here's another way you don't have to see it: Log out and uninstall the game.
The benefit of that is that the devs who have to keep actual players interested don't waste time coding around a few fringe loonies who can't accept anything outside their narrow world view, but can actually work on things real players will appreaciate instead of trying to retain a half-dozen radical outliers.
The only downside to it is you wouldn't get to exercise your control over all the undesirables. That control you deny attempting, even though it's the operative term in your thread's very title.
Not sure why anyone who thinks Roddenberry was such an "extreme leftwinger" with that pronounced "strong distaste for the military" would be here anyway, unless it's to troll since you've made clear his looney left leanings are anathema to your uber-right militant view. Surely there's some ultra-accurate military game out there for your type, that's not based on the ravings of some useless liberal wackjob, right?
This thread has gone off in a tangent completely different from the OP's intent, why hasn't it been shut down yet?
Sorry was spending time with my husband playing watch dogs hehe.
Anywho this thread has gone back and fourth into name calling, bashing and the likes.
Let me point out a few things -
The coding to do this would be insane that's for sure and it's time that could be best spent elsewhere.
Secondly name calling, bashing people, etc is against the forum rules and leads to thread closures.
Like this one.
/Closed
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This isn't a show.
And you are required the appropriate one and the appropriate time.
You don't get to pick and choose what you will wear.
Starfleet isn't a military.
So twelve pages of people accusing me of trying to control others...and yet that is exactly what you all are trying to do.
You want to force others to see you looking like an idiot or way out of place or both.
You can call a potato an apple.
But it's still going to be a potato.
system Lord Baal is dead
It seems to be working out alright for you in this thread. -shrug-
I am not forcing anyone to do anything, it is their choice to play a game which allows players to express their individualiy in their look and the way they dress.
I am sure there are many other mmo`s out there that do not have this feature, I glad to say this one does.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
To quote myself...
*still eating a very delicious bag of popcorn*
Frankly, I don't give a TRIBBLE what Roddenberry thought Starfleet was, because he wrote Starfleet as the internationally recognized body officially tasked by their government to use armed force in the defense of their citizens against armed aggression. That makes them a military, because they meet the functional definition of a military.
The sticky part is, Starfleet is not only a military. They're also explorers and scientists and diplomats. But when push comes to shove, the Federation does not call up some other organization to meet force with force. That job falls to Starfleet, which makes them a military organization whether they, I, you, or Roddenberry like it or not.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
The problem is old Gene was pretty much a barking Moonbat by the time he died. And like most extreme leftwingers he seemed to have a strong distaste for the military, so he tried to claim Starfleet wasn't a military organization, when in fact it will meet every definition of military you will find.
It's not the first time old Gene contradicted himself...take for example...the use of currency.
"If you run into an ******* in the morning, you ran into an *******. If you run into *******s all day, you're the *******."
-Raylan Givens
Yeah, because who the hell was that clown anyway, right? :rolleyes:
Yeah, who cares about what the godfather of modern science fiction thought anyway. :rolleyes:
It's not really a sticky point.
The navy has has research departments.
The navy has deep sea subs that do exploration.
Ship captains and above engage in a diplomacy when visiting foreign countries.
I wear what h... i want, when i want...
If you force me to change me looks, well frankly you need to step out, and mind your own business....
I do not wear a pink suit around ESD for no reason at all...
I wear it because I FEEL like wearing it, and because I AM ALLOWED to wear it...
If you feel like my pink suit trolls you... well... you need to grow up... and accept life...
ok... that is my... yeah whatever its called..
*goes back to eating popcorn*
Nobody who wants to remake the game in their ultra-right-wing "It's all about the military, period," "my way or the highway," "You're either with us or against us," "Mission Accomplished" image?
No one is forcing you to change anything, that's a red herring some are trying to push.
What I'm suggesting is a way that **I** don't have to see what you look like. You would still see your outfit and so would anyone who chose not to turn the option on.
What most here are trying to do is what they accuse me of trying to do, they want to force people to see what they are wearing.
You are aware STO is already everything you just described, right?
See the Gold there...
This is what is not only is hurting everyone, but me as well... If you don't like the look of anyone else... why the h... are you even playing an MMO???
You really need to accept the way other people look like, or your not gonna get very far...
Your pretty much slapping everyone in the face by saying... I don't like your look, I don't want to look at it...
If this is the case... then you need to step out a bit, breath, and rethink what you are suggesting...
Every MMO that has player customization is to allow players to show-off their toons/avatars, in this case, its our Pink, Yellow, Purple outfits. If you don't like them... Then just don't look at them, or just don't play an MMO...
It is that simple...
Here's another way you don't have to see it: Log out and uninstall the game.
The benefit of that is that the devs who have to keep actual players interested don't waste time coding around a few fringe loonies who can't accept anything outside their narrow world view, but can actually work on things real players will appreaciate instead of trying to retain a half-dozen radical outliers.
The only downside to it is you wouldn't get to exercise your control over all the undesirables. That control you deny attempting, even though it's the operative term in your thread's very title.
Not sure why anyone who thinks Roddenberry was such an "extreme leftwinger" with that pronounced "strong distaste for the military" would be here anyway, unless it's to troll since you've made clear his looney left leanings are anathema to your uber-right militant view. Surely there's some ultra-accurate military game out there for your type, that's not based on the ravings of some useless liberal wackjob, right?
Sorry was spending time with my husband playing watch dogs hehe.
Anywho this thread has gone back and fourth into name calling, bashing and the likes.
Let me point out a few things -
Like this one.
/Closed
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