So what is different between this temporal event and every other temporal event that I mentioned that dealt with the future changing? There is absolutely zero evidence that changing the past has a new timeline branching out and the current one still exists in all the Star Trek episodes and movies I have watched. All Star Trek episodes that deal with this concept have the new timeline replacing the current one until the crew restores the future to the timeline the crew is familiar with. So where is your proof of timelines branching out in a Star Trek episode or movie? List one Star Trek movie or episode with someone changing the past that has the timeline branch out instead of replacing the existing one.
You're shifting the burden of proof. I do not need to prove an absolute, as all I'm claiming is that there is a possibility. One that you're trying so desperately to ignore.
So there are only two possibilities. Nero and Spock went back in time and completely destroyed the timeline we are familiar with or Nero and Spock went to a parallel universe.
This is what I'm talking about. You're trying to shift the burden of proof so you don't have to consider the possibility of a branching universe, then presented a false dichotomy as the only two options you're willing to consider.
Tell me something. Are you debating me completely honestly, or do you hold some sort of conviction to your argument? If it's the former, can you tell me why you're demanding proof of an absolute when none is claimed? If it's the latter, I have no more reason to discuss this with you.
The nuTrek timeline begins when Nero arrives in the past. This is after the events of Enterprise, so Enterprise isn't affected. It takes place in the prime universe, as well as the JJverse, but whoever it was is pretty much correct that the JJverse didn't actually exist prior to Nero's appearance, so Enterprise happens mainly in the prime universe.
Or, rather. Enterprise happens in the prime universe. It has happened in the past of both the prime universe, and the JJverse. At the time of Enterprise, there was only one timeline (well, in terms of JJ as opposed to the prime), but the whole discussion of whether Enterprise happened in just one or both is really semantics.
The NX-class is not more advanced than the Constitution-class. Aesthetics do not indicate technological complexity.
Starfleet didn't know about the Borg in Q-Who because I don't know. They just didn't. My theory is that they just sent Enterprise into unknown space with no pertinent information in order to try to get Picard killed for being a pretentious jerk. Either that, or it's just Starfleet's patented incompetence showing through yet again.
As for the Caitians, they're either a subspecies that just hasn't shown up on screen in the prime universe, or they've altered themselves somehow, like shaving their fur. They are definitely Caitians, as that has been confirmed by the people in charge. If they confirm it, it is canon, at least until someone else with similar authority retcons it. The fact that they don't resemble the Caitians we're familiar with doesn't enter into it.
The nuTrek timeline begins when Nero arrives in the past. This is after the events of Enterprise, so Enterprise isn't affected. It takes place in the prime universe, as well as the JJverse, but whoever it was is pretty much correct that the JJverse didn't actually exist prior to Nero's appearance, so Enterprise happens mainly in the prime universe.
Or, rather. Enterprise happens in the prime universe. It has happened in the past of both the prime universe, and the JJverse. At the time of Enterprise, there was only one timeline (well, in terms of JJ as opposed to the prime), but the whole discussion of whether Enterprise happened in just one or both is really semantics.
The NX-class is not more advanced than the Constitution-class. Aesthetics do not indicate technological complexity.
Starfleet didn't know about the Borg in Q-Who because I don't know. They just didn't. My theory is that they just sent Enterprise into unknown space with no pertinent information in order to try to get Picard killed for being a pretentious jerk. Either that, or it's just Starfleet's patented incompetence showing through yet again.
As for the Caitians, they're either a subspecies that just hasn't shown up on screen in the prime universe, or they've altered themselves somehow, like shaving their fur. They are definitely Caitians, as that has been confirmed by the people in charge. If they confirm it, it is canon, at least until someone else with similar authority retcons it. The fact that they don't resemble the Caitians we're familiar with doesn't enter into it.
Again (not to you), the UFP and Starfleet knew about the Borg in the 2350s, when the Hansens were petitioning the Council to study them. They were given permission and Starfleet gave them the USS Raven. If the Hansens had to get permission, then the Council knew of how very dangerous that the Borg could be, especially by first hand accounts from the El Aurians and later the New Providence Colony massacre.
The Enterprise was sent into unknown space by Starfleet Command, but Q sent them there.
Don't have to convince me. It has effectively destroyed any future Star Trek movie set in that universe with its interstellar teleporter and magic blood.
Um, they still are not Caitians, a tail and funny ears do not a Caitian make.
It's not my word against a producers, it's a producers against on screen canon, try read my posts correctly.
to you lets get it right you have your opinion sorry you not the IP holder you didnt work on the movie you just a fan boy nothing more just because you say its not dont make you right lol
You're shifting the burden of proof. I do not need to prove an absolute, as all I'm claiming is that there is a possibility. One that you're trying so desperately to ignore.
This is what I'm talking about. You're trying to shift the burden of proof so you don't have to consider the possibility of a branching universe, then presented a false dichotomy as the only two options you're willing to consider.
Tell me something. Are you debating me completely honestly, or do you hold some sort of conviction to your argument? If it's the former, can you tell me why you're demanding proof of an absolute when none is claimed? If it's the latter, I have no more reason to discuss this with you.
I can ignore it because there is no evidence of it. It is merely speculation while my evidence is based on numerous instances in Star Trek. You can't have it work one way for every other instance, then have it work some other way. So what is different from this instance where you assumed that the timeline branched out and every other temporal event in Star Trek where the timeline was rewritten? I have given proof as to why the JJ Universe is a parallel universe and not a branched timeline and you haven't given any proof as to why a branching timeline would be possible in Star Trek. I have satisfied the burden of proof and if you ignored it, then that is your problem. So I have to ask if you are actually debating me completely honestly since you just avoid the question. It is Star Trek that has set up those two possibilities since it hasn't given a third option. All you need to do is indicate one Star Trek episode that deals with branching timelines.
I will resolve the issue for you. You could actually resolve it through rewritten timelines are actually branching timelines since it is based on perspective of the traveler. When McCoy went through the Guardian of Forever, he created a new reality where the Federation never existed. Kirk, Spock, and McCoy were sent to the new timeline while the Enterprise stayed in its current timeline. So they believe that the timeline is rewritten while they were merely moved to another timeline. Star Trek never resolved this issue since it was always in the perspective of the Captains we know of which are limited to 23rd and 24th Century technology and not someone that can actually detect other timelines.
Of course, this doesn't resolve whether the JJ Universe is a branched timeline or parallel universe. That would require differences between the JJ Universe and the Prime Universe before Nero attacked like alien races having different genetics, different histories, and other differences.
Oh and by the way, I forgot to address the "rewriting the timeline" thing. In general, time travel in Trek overrides the original timeline. But this doesn't always happen, because technobabble quantum techtech. I remember reading that this was explained somewhere, in a probably non-canon text, but still. Basically, time travel usually destroys the first timeline, but in this case it created a new universe instead. Just...kind of because.
everything thats happening now; this board, you, the chair you're sitting on, is all a part of the JJ-universe
Actually, we are all part of an MMO not the JJ Universe. We are all npcs being controlled by players playing an MMO and those players are just npcs being controlled by players playing an MMO and those players are just npcs being controlled by players and so on and so on. My player is forcing me to write this forum post. I don't know why, but a npc never knows why their player makes them do the things they do.
to you lets get it right you have your opinion sorry you not the IP holder you didnt work on the movie you just a fan boy nothing more just because you say its not dont make you right lol
As for the Caitians, they're either a subspecies that just hasn't shown up on screen in the prime universe, or they've altered themselves somehow, like shaving their fur. They are definitely Caitians, as that has been confirmed by the people in charge. If they confirm it, it is canon, at least until someone else with similar authority retcons it. The fact that they don't resemble the Caitians we're familiar with doesn't enter into it.
If it wasn't onscreen it's not canon, that is ST canon, not behind the scenes, not what producers said, not what fans want, what was on screen.
They are not called Caitians in the film.
They do not resemble existing Caitians for canon to be inferred.
They are not Caitians.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
dude you didnt work on the movie your not the ip hold you dont get to say what is what all you get to have your lil fan boy opinion the one that did work on the movie <again not you> said they are cat ppl so they are not a damn thing you can do to change it to now move on
dude you didnt work on the movie your not the ip hold you dont get to say what is what all you get to have your lil fan boy opinion the one that did work on the movie <again not you> said they are cat ppl so they are not a damn thing you can do to change it to now move on
It's not my opinion, it's canon, that's what is exists for That is up to CBS / Paramount / Bad Robot or whatever, ST canon is only onscreen material, it's that simple, not my personal opinion really.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
It's not my opinion, it's canon, that's what is exists for That is up to CBS / Paramount / Bad Robot or whatever, ST canon is only onscreen material, it's that simple, not my personal opinion really.
well seeing JJ cap never going to be canon like prime universe canon why the frack does it even matter i can tell you this if their is ever going to be another TV it will not be in JJ alternate universe
and really stop with the whole got to be said on tv because if the one that worked on the movie said they are they are and again not a thing you can do to stop it or change it
TRIBBLE like this why i dont even like to call my self a ST fan any more you ppl and debates.................
well seeing JJ cap never going to be canon like prime universe canon why the frack does it even matter i can tell you this if their is ever going to be another TV it will not be in JJ alternate universe
and really stop with the whole got to be said on tv because if the one that worked on the movie said they are they are and again not a thing you can do to stop it or change it
It is canon, just an alternate universe.
That's not how the existing ST canon works, again NOT my canon, ST canon.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
That's not how the existing ST canon works, again NOT my canon, ST canon.
after this type what ever you want one works on movie says they are house cats then they are i dont need some one in the movie point and say hey loook at that sexy cat now im done replying to your canon TRIBBLE
well seeing JJ cap never going to be canon like prime universe canon why the frack does it even matter i can tell you this if their is ever going to be another TV it will not be in JJ alternate universe
and really stop with the whole got to be said on tv because if the one that worked on the movie said they are they are and again not a thing you can do to stop it or change it
TRIBBLE like this why i dont even like to call my self a ST fan any more you ppl and debates.................
Debates like this has been going on since two people said I am a fan of this, and the only thing that they agreed upon was that they were fans.
The hairless cat people are Caitians, why because we cannot say one producer's remark is relevant over anothers. So by that account, there is hairless Caitians, the Sovereign has the ability to saucer separate, the CAPT Shelby that was mentioned in DS9 is not Elizabeth Shelby, the USS Republic from DS9 was the old Republic from TOS And so on.
It's not my opinion, it's canon, that's what is exists for That is up to CBS / Paramount / Bad Robot or whatever, ST canon is only onscreen material, it's that simple, not my personal opinion really.
Can I just point out one flaw with that? Thanks.
It was never stated or shown on-screen that the Enterprise NCC 1701 could saucer sep, yet that is considered canon.
It was never stated or shown on-screen that the Akira-Class was a carrier, yet that is considered canon.
Truth is, even as the man who made that rule, Gene Roddenberry stated things as canon which were not on-screen (such as the Enterprise Saucer Separating).
It was never stated or shown on-screen that the Enterprise NCC 1701 could saucer sep, yet that is considered canon.
It was never stated or shown on-screen that the Akira-Class was a carrier, yet that is considered canon.
Truth is, even as the man who made that rule, Gene Roddenberry stated things as canon which were not on-screen (such as the Enterprise Saucer Separating).
But they aren't considered canon, it's well known fanon that the Akira is a carrier but it isn't canon, no matter how many people think it is, that's why Cryptics arguments for the Armitage were silly.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
That's not how the existing ST canon works, again NOT my canon, ST canon.
QFT.
People need to accept that JJ-verse is canon and learn to deal with it. It's alternate universe yes but still fits the definition of canon no matter how much it sucked.
If things that suck means it's not canon then Final Frontier, Nemesis, and a few others aren't canon.
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I can ignore it because there is no evidence of it.
You can ignore it on your personal time, that's all well and good. But if you're gonna argue with other people, ignoring it will not work. It's a real possibility whether you like it or not.
There's no more reason to talk to you because of your irrational convictions. I have better things to do.
You can ignore it on your personal time, that's all well and good. But if you're gonna argue with other people, ignoring it will not work. It's a real possibility whether you like it or not.
There's no more reason to talk to you because of your irrational convictions. I have better things to do.
Good day, starkaos.
Arguments require evidence to support a person's position. Therefore, any Star Trek argument is limited to what Star Trek has released not someone's own opinion of how things worked. This is why I was asking you to support your position. So I couldn't use the following argument that you obviously didn't bother reading.
I will resolve the issue for you. You could actually resolve it through rewritten timelines are actually branching timelines since it is based on perspective of the traveler. When McCoy went through the Guardian of Forever, he created a new reality where the Federation never existed. Kirk, Spock, and McCoy were sent to the new timeline while the Enterprise stayed in its current timeline. So they believe that the timeline is rewritten while they were merely moved to another timeline. Star Trek never resolved this issue since it was always in the perspective of the Captains we know of which are limited to 23rd and 24th Century technology and not someone that can actually detect other timelines.
Of course, this doesn't resolve whether the JJ Universe is a branched timeline or parallel universe. That would require differences between the JJ Universe and the Prime Universe before Nero attacked like alien races having different genetics, different histories, and other differences.
But since none of this is shown in Star Trek, then I couldn't use it in forming my argument until I was sick and tired of the argument.
What about this is so difficult to understand? Things directly stated by the creator of a work of fiction are canon, whether they're explicitly stated within that work or not. It's really that simple.
Ive been readninh his romulan wars books and it lends an interesting perspective on why the constitution class looks technologicaly backwards from the NX class.
Aparently the step back in controll interfaces is a reaction to the romulans employing a kind of hacking weapon.
Similar to the steps taken in the new BSG series.
he also suggests that the kobayashi maru was in fact an actual situation captain archer faced.
As a time traveller, Am I supposed to pack underwear or underwhen?
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People need to accept that JJ-verse is canon and learn to deal with it. It's alternate universe yes but still fits the definition of canon no matter how much it sucked.
If things that suck means it's not canon then Final Frontier, Nemesis, and a few others aren't canon.
I was walking out of Star Trek Generations in the movie theatre (well before I had the instanets), with Star Trek fans saying that the movie didn't count as Star Trek because they killed off Captain Kirk when it was "established in canon" that he would die alone, and that the "next" movie they were going to make would resurrect him and explain that the Enterprise-D was never destroyed, and that Kirk was never killed to begin with.
... cognitive dissonance in the Trek fanbase is fun.
It's also why I can't take people with Abrams Derangement Syndrome seriously anymore, no matter how hard they clutch their pearls over the last 2 Star Trek movies.
I was walking out of Star Trek Generations in the movie theatre (well before I had the instanets), with Star Trek fans saying that the movie didn't count as Star Trek because they killed off Captain Kirk when it was "established in canon" that he would die alone, and that the "next" movie they were going to make would resurrect him and explain that the Enterprise-D was never destroyed, and that Kirk was never killed to begin with.
... cognitive dissonance in the Trek fanbase is fun.
It's also why I can't take people with Abrams Derangement Syndrome seriously anymore, no matter how hard they clutch their pearls over the last 2 Star Trek movies.
Give it a decade and watch them moan that everything sucks and JJ Trek was the way to go.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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This is what I'm talking about. You're trying to shift the burden of proof so you don't have to consider the possibility of a branching universe, then presented a false dichotomy as the only two options you're willing to consider.
Tell me something. Are you debating me completely honestly, or do you hold some sort of conviction to your argument? If it's the former, can you tell me why you're demanding proof of an absolute when none is claimed? If it's the latter, I have no more reason to discuss this with you.
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The nuTrek timeline begins when Nero arrives in the past. This is after the events of Enterprise, so Enterprise isn't affected. It takes place in the prime universe, as well as the JJverse, but whoever it was is pretty much correct that the JJverse didn't actually exist prior to Nero's appearance, so Enterprise happens mainly in the prime universe.
Or, rather. Enterprise happens in the prime universe. It has happened in the past of both the prime universe, and the JJverse. At the time of Enterprise, there was only one timeline (well, in terms of JJ as opposed to the prime), but the whole discussion of whether Enterprise happened in just one or both is really semantics.
The NX-class is not more advanced than the Constitution-class. Aesthetics do not indicate technological complexity.
Starfleet didn't know about the Borg in Q-Who because I don't know. They just didn't. My theory is that they just sent Enterprise into unknown space with no pertinent information in order to try to get Picard killed for being a pretentious jerk. Either that, or it's just Starfleet's patented incompetence showing through yet again.
As for the Caitians, they're either a subspecies that just hasn't shown up on screen in the prime universe, or they've altered themselves somehow, like shaving their fur. They are definitely Caitians, as that has been confirmed by the people in charge. If they confirm it, it is canon, at least until someone else with similar authority retcons it. The fact that they don't resemble the Caitians we're familiar with doesn't enter into it.
Again (not to you), the UFP and Starfleet knew about the Borg in the 2350s, when the Hansens were petitioning the Council to study them. They were given permission and Starfleet gave them the USS Raven. If the Hansens had to get permission, then the Council knew of how very dangerous that the Borg could be, especially by first hand accounts from the El Aurians and later the New Providence Colony massacre.
The Enterprise was sent into unknown space by Starfleet Command, but Q sent them there.
That ship was a pile of scrap compared to the Connie class.
That's actually the good bit of it.
to you lets get it right you have your opinion sorry you not the IP holder you didnt work on the movie you just a fan boy nothing more just because you say its not dont make you right lol
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I can ignore it because there is no evidence of it. It is merely speculation while my evidence is based on numerous instances in Star Trek. You can't have it work one way for every other instance, then have it work some other way. So what is different from this instance where you assumed that the timeline branched out and every other temporal event in Star Trek where the timeline was rewritten? I have given proof as to why the JJ Universe is a parallel universe and not a branched timeline and you haven't given any proof as to why a branching timeline would be possible in Star Trek. I have satisfied the burden of proof and if you ignored it, then that is your problem. So I have to ask if you are actually debating me completely honestly since you just avoid the question. It is Star Trek that has set up those two possibilities since it hasn't given a third option. All you need to do is indicate one Star Trek episode that deals with branching timelines.
I will resolve the issue for you. You could actually resolve it through rewritten timelines are actually branching timelines since it is based on perspective of the traveler. When McCoy went through the Guardian of Forever, he created a new reality where the Federation never existed. Kirk, Spock, and McCoy were sent to the new timeline while the Enterprise stayed in its current timeline. So they believe that the timeline is rewritten while they were merely moved to another timeline. Star Trek never resolved this issue since it was always in the perspective of the Captains we know of which are limited to 23rd and 24th Century technology and not someone that can actually detect other timelines.
Of course, this doesn't resolve whether the JJ Universe is a branched timeline or parallel universe. That would require differences between the JJ Universe and the Prime Universe before Nero attacked like alien races having different genetics, different histories, and other differences.
Actually, we are all part of an MMO not the JJ Universe. We are all npcs being controlled by players playing an MMO and those players are just npcs being controlled by players playing an MMO and those players are just npcs being controlled by players and so on and so on. My player is forcing me to write this forum post. I don't know why, but a npc never knows why their player makes them do the things they do.
Um okay.
Still not Caitians.
If it wasn't onscreen it's not canon, that is ST canon, not behind the scenes, not what producers said, not what fans want, what was on screen.
They are not called Caitians in the film.
They do not resemble existing Caitians for canon to be inferred.
They are not Caitians.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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It's not my opinion, it's canon, that's what is exists for That is up to CBS / Paramount / Bad Robot or whatever, ST canon is only onscreen material, it's that simple, not my personal opinion really.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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well seeing JJ cap never going to be canon like prime universe canon why the frack does it even matter i can tell you this if their is ever going to be another TV it will not be in JJ alternate universe
and really stop with the whole got to be said on tv because if the one that worked on the movie said they are they are and again not a thing you can do to stop it or change it
TRIBBLE like this why i dont even like to call my self a ST fan any more you ppl and debates.................
system Lord Baal is dead
It is canon, just an alternate universe.
That's not how the existing ST canon works, again NOT my canon, ST canon.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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after this type what ever you want one works on movie says they are house cats then they are i dont need some one in the movie point and say hey loook at that sexy cat now im done replying to your canon TRIBBLE
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Debates like this has been going on since two people said I am a fan of this, and the only thing that they agreed upon was that they were fans.
The hairless cat people are Caitians, why because we cannot say one producer's remark is relevant over anothers. So by that account, there is hairless Caitians, the Sovereign has the ability to saucer separate, the CAPT Shelby that was mentioned in DS9 is not Elizabeth Shelby, the USS Republic from DS9 was the old Republic from TOS And so on.
Can I just point out one flaw with that? Thanks.
It was never stated or shown on-screen that the Enterprise NCC 1701 could saucer sep, yet that is considered canon.
It was never stated or shown on-screen that the Akira-Class was a carrier, yet that is considered canon.
Truth is, even as the man who made that rule, Gene Roddenberry stated things as canon which were not on-screen (such as the Enterprise Saucer Separating).
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But they aren't considered canon, it's well known fanon that the Akira is a carrier but it isn't canon, no matter how many people think it is, that's why Cryptics arguments for the Armitage were silly.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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QFT.
People need to accept that JJ-verse is canon and learn to deal with it. It's alternate universe yes but still fits the definition of canon no matter how much it sucked.
If things that suck means it's not canon then Final Frontier, Nemesis, and a few others aren't canon.
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There's no more reason to talk to you because of your irrational convictions. I have better things to do.
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Arguments require evidence to support a person's position. Therefore, any Star Trek argument is limited to what Star Trek has released not someone's own opinion of how things worked. This is why I was asking you to support your position. So I couldn't use the following argument that you obviously didn't bother reading.
But since none of this is shown in Star Trek, then I couldn't use it in forming my argument until I was sick and tired of the argument.
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http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Michael_A._Martin
Ive been readninh his romulan wars books and it lends an interesting perspective on why the constitution class looks technologicaly backwards from the NX class.
Aparently the step back in controll interfaces is a reaction to the romulans employing a kind of hacking weapon.
Similar to the steps taken in the new BSG series.
he also suggests that the kobayashi maru was in fact an actual situation captain archer faced.
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I was walking out of Star Trek Generations in the movie theatre (well before I had the instanets), with Star Trek fans saying that the movie didn't count as Star Trek because they killed off Captain Kirk when it was "established in canon" that he would die alone, and that the "next" movie they were going to make would resurrect him and explain that the Enterprise-D was never destroyed, and that Kirk was never killed to begin with.
... cognitive dissonance in the Trek fanbase is fun.
It's also why I can't take people with Abrams Derangement Syndrome seriously anymore, no matter how hard they clutch their pearls over the last 2 Star Trek movies.
And we have a winner.
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Give it a decade and watch them moan that everything sucks and JJ Trek was the way to go.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Like Nemesis?
lol. Not that it was necessarily bad. just that it never really fit into the star trek we had.
Which I guess is fine for something that takes place well before the birth of the federation.
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