My chat is minimized almost exclusively these days. My fleet is practically dead, and completely antisocial, There is hardly a need for communication in 99% of the game, and I don't like to see the trolls and spammers. At least this game gives you the option to minimize it though, as I have to just train myself to ignore it in other games I have played.
My name is Straenge and I am a Roleplayer. I am also one of those possibly hitler-esque types that feel that anyone who is disruptive for the specific purpose of harassment for any reason should be HDID banned. That being said, unlike others, I actually don't feel it necessarily to keep people from being who they are, speak how they wish to speak and do what they want within reason. Zone chat here is no more worse than others I have seen and like most, tend to ignore it and majority of those who wish to argue over everything from semantics to lore but that is there prerogative. Just as it is mine if I wish to RP.
As for the Disco Balls, Balloons, ect. There is a time and place for everything. I have even used them myself on occasion at a party once but, I feel certain areas should be made into.. "no party" zones, perhaps. Banks, Exchanges, Vendors, ect. Otherwise, since they are in game and will doubtfully be ever taken out, I would, personally, appreciate a way to avoid them and/or turn them off, at least graphically using a menu option (checkmark here to turn off all party favors) allowing also a variable so where a disco ball happen to be made, my character wouldn't be affected by it. Also, bind /movement_reset to a key or just type it. It will immediately stop your 'dancing' emote.
As for people.. they will always be people. In most MMO's, I disregard about 75% of the population on average just due to personal tastes but I won't push my own ideals on someone because, I wouldn't wish it to happen to me. Trolls, for the most part, will always exist. Learn to deal with them effectively (Ignore, play with them before asking them kindly to stop which, surprisingly works well sometimes or change instances.) or move on because anything else will always be construed as someone whining about not getting their way.
As for the way Roleplayers are treated here, I will say this. I have been to some of the best communities (City of Heroes) to the worst (*********) and like most games, STO is somewhere in the middle. I have found quite a few friends in game as well as fellow RP'ers but I have also found a few Trolls and others who want nothing more than to have their, however warped, idea of fun. But, I have also witnessed certain Roleplayers who, I am sure are happy in their ideals, behave rather.. snobbish toward anyone who they do not deem worth their while. I admit, I can be a bit snobbish myself but, while I do not tend to appreciate or like much of a population in an MMO, I also try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and be as friendly as possible but I have witnessed quite a number of.. cliques in this game that makes me wonder if they weren't possibly trolled for a reason..
I have seen drama from all walks in life but no drama can outmatch an apparently offended RP'er or offended player of a game in general but I hear and see it so often in this game that it is rare to find anyone that says anything good about it or, *gasp* having fun for the sake of fun.. The point is, ESD will change for the better or worse or stay the same. It doesn't depend on "all those idiots in Zone chat" or the "Roleplayers" or the "Net DJ's" or the "Offended and Harassed players". It depends on all of you.. to make it what you will. A possibly fun and polite place to welcome new people and explore a game we all share a love for.
I just love the Flotilla. If I could set up home in there, I would. New ESD is pretty slick too.
Social zones, though? When I joined STO, a few years back, ESD was a place of learning, with many helpful ppl. Nowadays it's infested with the Gorn folks that used to hang around DS9. Either Gorn jokes, or rude politics.
Like EvE Online, STO needs online GM's in the chat rooms.
Honestly, the best thing to do would be to make the visuals and effects of these stupid party items an option that can be turned on or off in the options menu. This way, people (and the use the term lightly) who choose to troll around because they have nothing else to do, can go ahead and waste their own time without disrupting everyone else. As far as chat goes, noone has anything worth reading in any of the public chats anyway, so I always keep it closed. Only time I open it is if I get a pm. Don't see the need to waste the devs time with it anyway, seeing as local and zone chat are essentially the same thing. Its a total track up anyway. Too many channels, no logic to it. If the debs to decide to waste time and resources fixing it, here's what should be done; remove the current chat system completely. Replace it with 1 channel for public chat, 1 for fleet, 1 for team, and a combat channel that lists everything that happens between you and whatever you're fighting. We don't need to have a recording of what an npc said, since they repeat it every 2 minutes, we don't need to know how a teammate is doing against an enemyin combat, and we don't need 2 channels that do the same damn thing. If you need to see exactly what we do need, hop on battlestar Galactica online. They got the chat system down perfectly.
Honestly, the best thing to do would be to make the visuals and effects of these stupid party items an option that can be turned on or off in the options menu.
No, that would be the best thing to do in the opinion of a small, very small, minority of players. It would be an absolute waste of coding time to put in such a thing.
Learn how to use the ignore feature. All of that goes away very quickly when you do.
Yo, someone didn't read my first post in the thread, eh?
I'm very familiar with the Ignore feature, but on ESD, I would probably fill up my Ignore list in a matter of minutes; it's not worth it when I avoid the place as much as possible and encounter a smaller number of more annoying critters elsewhere whose behavior begs for me to put them on the Ignore list.
You also seem to have missed my point entirely. These people are violating the rules established by PWE, and should receive disciplinary action; my having to put them on iggy because PWE Staff seems uninterested in enforcing their own rules is not how it should be.
You make some good points. In the past, I've avoided ESD for two reasons:
1. I had a lousy computer, and all the maps were slow to load because there were so many players.
2. Constant arguments. Not debates, mind, but stupid, ill-informed, irrational, angry arguments. The much maligned Gorn jokes were welcome relief.
Even now, I usually keep my chat window closed on ESD.
That said, I got onto tribble and the new layout is really nice. It'll be disorienting for a while, but it's a pretty interior. Minus current bugs like the exchange consoles being 20 feet in the air.
I really how they keep many instances at ESD since its a such a huge map. My new is slow so I will definitely feel the pain if not.
I like how the vast majority of criticism for any social zone in the game boils down to that small chat window in the bottom left corner of the screen. I also like how many of them want to enforce all kinds of censorship even though they sure as hell aren't the only ones playing this MMO.
Ignore feature. Dis-select local and zone chat in the chat settings. Use a different zone. Minimise the chat window all together. It's so easy to avoid the junk that's said in that little window.
And for those still bringing up that damn disco ball rant. I would suggest you learn what MMO means, and again accept that your aren't the only ones playing this game and a social zone isn't owned by you or anyone else.
Not only do we have the majority of the anti-disco crowd openly admitting that their archaic PCs cannot even handle the game, but we have admissions of pedophilia as well by now.
The new ESD is fantastic, and very good for immersion. And I hope that will encourage players to act like they're in Star Trek and not in an MMO. And maybe the party balls disrupt immersion, but not any more than the cluster of character costumes. In the big picture they're short duration and harmless, and you look silly for making a big deal over them.
I think if you ask around, people will agree that the real main issue facing ESD is it banal zone chat, which has become a soapbox for bigots to spew hate speech due to a total absence of moderation. If there's anywhere in the game where there needs to be a GM online 24/7, it should be ESD.
Agreed the chat is the worse. I can't stand some of the people that play this game. They get away with saying anything. Its why i only chat with fleet mates and never would play with these racist morons that are aloud to pollute the chat in this game. And its not only the chat thats offensive the naming of ships is just as bad. For a star trek game it is really filled with racist asshats. And Crypitic could care less as long as they get the money.
Agreed the chat is the worse. I can't stand some of the people that play this game. They get away with saying anything. Its why i only chat with fleet mates and never would play with these racist morons that are aloud to pollute the chat in this game. And its not only the chat thats offensive the naming of ships is just as bad. For a star trek game it is really filled with racist asshats. And Crypitic could care less as long as they get the money.
Like I keep saying. The only place worth using Zone Chat is Ker'rat. At least the conversations can get philosophical there. :cool:
We'll have to wait for the weekend crew to show up if there are any. As for this whole thread I wish I had brought some cheese to go with the Whine.
ESD is going to as heavily used as it always was, this talk about social zones being underutilized by so-called "terk" fans, whatever the hell those are, is a load of rubbish.
This game was made for everyone to enjoy, casual gamers as well as stuffy RP zealots and part of this diversity that these jackalopes can't seem to wrap their minds around is they are not the only ones that get to say or do what they want.
Chat is never going to win awards for being a breeding ground for intelligent discourse, no one will dispute that, but RP TRIBBLE that can't handle that fact are free to load up a messenger app, switch to a low pop instance and do their thing without exposing themselves to this dreaded chat quagmire, in fact it's what I would hope they would do since having read some of this RP in chat myself has often made my eyes glaze over.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
look at a lot of what cryptic let ppl do is why im saying it........ one that quoted me fleet comes to mind
still want to question why i said it? well go spend 6 hours looking at ESD chat half stuff said in that chat would have had me a perma ban on wow i got a final warning on my account for using /spit on some one who had me on ignore
AFKing in an STF, or even trolling is not even remotely comparable to sexually explicit roleplay with minors. Get some perspective.
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I thought WoW's forums had angry elitist snobs, but I never could have imagined the level STO forums has.
As for the Disco Balls, Balloons, ect. There is a time and place for everything. I have even used them myself on occasion at a party once but, I feel certain areas should be made into.. "no party" zones, perhaps. Banks, Exchanges, Vendors, ect. Otherwise, since they are in game and will doubtfully be ever taken out, I would, personally, appreciate a way to avoid them and/or turn them off, at least graphically using a menu option (checkmark here to turn off all party favors) allowing also a variable so where a disco ball happen to be made, my character wouldn't be affected by it. Also, bind /movement_reset to a key or just type it. It will immediately stop your 'dancing' emote.
As for people.. they will always be people. In most MMO's, I disregard about 75% of the population on average just due to personal tastes but I won't push my own ideals on someone because, I wouldn't wish it to happen to me. Trolls, for the most part, will always exist. Learn to deal with them effectively (Ignore, play with them before asking them kindly to stop which, surprisingly works well sometimes or change instances.) or move on because anything else will always be construed as someone whining about not getting their way.
As for the way Roleplayers are treated here, I will say this. I have been to some of the best communities (City of Heroes) to the worst (*********) and like most games, STO is somewhere in the middle. I have found quite a few friends in game as well as fellow RP'ers but I have also found a few Trolls and others who want nothing more than to have their, however warped, idea of fun. But, I have also witnessed certain Roleplayers who, I am sure are happy in their ideals, behave rather.. snobbish toward anyone who they do not deem worth their while. I admit, I can be a bit snobbish myself but, while I do not tend to appreciate or like much of a population in an MMO, I also try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and be as friendly as possible but I have witnessed quite a number of.. cliques in this game that makes me wonder if they weren't possibly trolled for a reason..
I have seen drama from all walks in life but no drama can outmatch an apparently offended RP'er or offended player of a game in general but I hear and see it so often in this game that it is rare to find anyone that says anything good about it or, *gasp* having fun for the sake of fun.. The point is, ESD will change for the better or worse or stay the same. It doesn't depend on "all those idiots in Zone chat" or the "Roleplayers" or the "Net DJ's" or the "Offended and Harassed players". It depends on all of you.. to make it what you will. A possibly fun and polite place to welcome new people and explore a game we all share a love for.
No wait, its exactly like that.
Actually if we're looking for ideas on how to improve the social experience of STO lets do this instead:
Let's apply Megan's Law / Sarah's Law to online gaming environments.
I see no drawbacks whatsoever and we should always be thinking of child safety.
For reference:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sarahs-law-to-be-rolled-out-nationally-1914989.html
http://www.parentsformeganslaw.org/public/meganFederal.html
Social zones, though? When I joined STO, a few years back, ESD was a place of learning, with many helpful ppl. Nowadays it's infested with the Gorn folks that used to hang around DS9. Either Gorn jokes, or rude politics.
Like EvE Online, STO needs online GM's in the chat rooms.
No, that would be the best thing to do in the opinion of a small, very small, minority of players. It would be an absolute waste of coding time to put in such a thing.
Yo, someone didn't read my first post in the thread, eh?
I'm very familiar with the Ignore feature, but on ESD, I would probably fill up my Ignore list in a matter of minutes; it's not worth it when I avoid the place as much as possible and encounter a smaller number of more annoying critters elsewhere whose behavior begs for me to put them on the Ignore list.
You also seem to have missed my point entirely. These people are violating the rules established by PWE, and should receive disciplinary action; my having to put them on iggy because PWE Staff seems uninterested in enforcing their own rules is not how it should be.
Did you see the quoted bit to which crustymac was replying? Oy vey.
I really how they keep many instances at ESD since its a such a huge map. My new is slow so I will definitely feel the pain if not.
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Ignore feature. Dis-select local and zone chat in the chat settings. Use a different zone. Minimise the chat window all together. It's so easy to avoid the junk that's said in that little window.
And for those still bringing up that damn disco ball rant. I would suggest you learn what MMO means, and again accept that your aren't the only ones playing this game and a social zone isn't owned by you or anyone else.
I entirely agree with you.
Not only do we have the majority of the anti-disco crowd openly admitting that their archaic PCs cannot even handle the game, but we have admissions of pedophilia as well by now.
Way to keep the RP scene classy.
"People have fun differently than I and talk about things I don't like. Pls nerf."
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Agreed the chat is the worse. I can't stand some of the people that play this game. They get away with saying anything. Its why i only chat with fleet mates and never would play with these racist morons that are aloud to pollute the chat in this game. And its not only the chat thats offensive the naming of ships is just as bad. For a star trek game it is really filled with racist asshats. And Crypitic could care less as long as they get the money.
Like I keep saying. The only place worth using Zone Chat is Ker'rat. At least the conversations can get philosophical there. :cool:
ESD is going to as heavily used as it always was, this talk about social zones being underutilized by so-called "terk" fans, whatever the hell those are, is a load of rubbish.
This game was made for everyone to enjoy, casual gamers as well as stuffy RP zealots and part of this diversity that these jackalopes can't seem to wrap their minds around is they are not the only ones that get to say or do what they want.
Chat is never going to win awards for being a breeding ground for intelligent discourse, no one will dispute that, but RP TRIBBLE that can't handle that fact are free to load up a messenger app, switch to a low pop instance and do their thing without exposing themselves to this dreaded chat quagmire, in fact it's what I would hope they would do since having read some of this RP in chat myself has often made my eyes glaze over.
AFKing in an STF, or even trolling is not even remotely comparable to sexually explicit roleplay with minors. Get some perspective.
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