Not, but you were correct in the spirit. The Galaxy pack has the same discount than the rest of the packs. Even including the free bridge (for example, ody and kumari bring a new and exclusive bridge for free).
The bad pack is the Vesta one (only looking at the prize), it has the 33% discount but not free and exclusive bridge.
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Except that that other packs have 3 Console sets and do not include a useless T4 ship in the mix.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Agree! So, thats makes the Galaxy Pack "more expensive" than it should, not cheaper like you claim.
All I claimed was that it was 4,000 Zen instead of 6,000. It is a way for them to unload outdated ships that no-longer meet the T5.5 standards now established within the game.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
All I claimed was that it was 4,000 Zen instead of 6,000. It is a way for them to unload outdated ships that no-longer meet the T5.5 standards now established within the game.
The Galaxy X is 2,500, the R is 2,000, and the Venture is 1,500. So it is normally a 6,000 Zen pack, not including the bridge. 4,000 is a big discount.
Like I said, is the same discount than they use on the Ody, Kumary and Vesta and on the 3 pack and 10 pack Dyson ships.
So, there is no big discount and they are sell it at the prize of the top of the line ships.
ADD to the fact, that you need to buy the Fleet Module to get the fleet version, but the rest of the packs are Fleet Standars.
Inconclucion, the Galaxy Pack is more expanisve than the top of the line packs.
Like I said, is the same discount than they use on the Ody, Kumary and Vesta and on the 3 pack and 10 pack Dyson ships.
So, there is no big discount and they are sell it at the prize of the top of the line ships.
ADD to the fact, that you need to buy the Fleet Module to get the fleet version, but the rest of the packs are Fleet Standars.
Inconclucion, the Galaxy Pack is more expanisve than the top of the line packs.
It is still, at least, a 33% discount. If you do not think 1/3 off is a big discount, well, that is on you. I think it is a HUGE discount.
Whether I think the ships are worth their price has no bearing on them giving you a 33% discount.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Is the standard Cryptic discount, if you think that is big or small is your impression and opinion.
But the math (you can not discuss the math) said that is the STANDAR cryptic discount.
I get that your English is bad, as you stated in another thread, but whether it is standard or not it is still a big discount. For the people who want those ships getting them 1/3 off is a good deal. I paid full price for all of mine.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I get that your English is bad, as you stated in another thread, but whether it is standard or not it is still a big discount. For the people who want those ships getting them 1/3 off is a good deal. I paid full price for all of mine.
Hoo yes, my english is terrible and I sorry for that.
But math is math and 33% is the same discount they use in all their packs.
Anyway, we are getting no where. Going to play PVP.. good luck and good nigth.
The only pack that didnt bring a free bridge was the poor Vesta =(
The discount is the same that they use in all their packs.
Its still a sweet deal, and a discount. Instead of buying them all full price. Which helps future buyers who want the ships. Where the others already had it for a long time.
It was enough to encourage me to buy it. I was going to get the Avenger as my next ship. Now this changed my mind. As I get all of that instead of 1 ship.
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All I claimed was that it was 4,000 Zen instead of 6,000. It is a way for them to unload outdated ships that no-longer meet the T5.5 standards now established within the game.
But that doesn't make sense though. The Odyssey pack is 5000 zen instead of 7500. It's the exact same discount when accounting for one cheaper ship.
And it's a reissue. It wouldn't make sense to do a full price pack for ships that some people already have...that said it is also illogical for them to do the bundle and exclude people who have already purchased pieces of it from benefiting from the discount. That's the brakes I guess. The legacy pack has the same rules, but the items and the bundle released at the same time.
Also them unloading outdated ships is a little weird. It's not like a car dealership where they have thousands of Galaxies sitting around and they need to get rid of them to clear the way for new inventory.
And unloading outdated ships is oxymoronical to the whole point of this blog and thread since they're actually trying to "unload" "updated" ships.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
Lets just look at the positive side on all this.. it took them what like 1-2 years for the first revamp. so maybe if we wait long enough they will get it right with the second or third revamp
or they start selling us the ability change stats on ships cause they run out of ships to sell and we can fix it ourselves
All I claimed was that it was 4,000 Zen instead of 6,000. It is a way for them to unload outdated ships that no-longer meet the T5.5 standards now established within the game.
But their is no logical reason to do that. They could have allowed them to meet the new T5.5 standards established in the game very easily. A Lt Cmdr tac in the X and a universal ensign in the R would have made them comparable or just as desirable as those new T5.5 ships without invalidating any existing ships for many players. Potential sales for an item that has a flat cost to create are sales you want to make.
I just don't get it. I understand the need for variety, game balance, all that fun stuff. But to intentionally pour developer time into a project and not try to make it competitive with existing options makes no sense to me.
I already own the X. Tomorrow if it had a Lt. Cmdr Tac I would strongly consider buying a fleet module. I don't own the R. If it had an ensign Uni I would likely pick it up on the next ship sale just to have it. I can only speak for myself but I am a lost potential sale of this 'reboot'.
I am their customer.....and I have a right to tell them what I want to pay them for.
They can choose not to do that, but then I dont pay them money.
Agreed ^^
We as customers have the responsibility to tell Cryptic what WHAT WE REALLY WANT to spend our money on.
I REALLY wanted to spend my money on THIS.
NOT zen to convert to dilithium for endless meaningless bling for fleet holdings.
SPENDING my money on a decent Galaxy would have been better for me, because I would have had more FUN with it than choice #2.
I hope they get that. Because that's just this customer's feedback.
This was an opportunity here. To sell us something we wanted that would have been fun.
So they won't get any money from me this time. I'm glad they are doing so well they can turn it away.
I'll find somewhere else to spend it then.
And I'll stick with the Avenger then.
But dare I say, they know what we want, keep trying to sell me something I don't, and I'll just keep spending it elsewhere.
Hmm, watch the episode Parallels, those multiple timelines are not closed, they co-exist, this is the many worlds theory, whereby at each quantum decoherence event the universe splits into two different universes each free to develop differently.
In addition, in the timeline we saw Riker, in his GX, war had broken out, and the Galaxy was no longer at peace, hence the modifications to the Enterprise and because it was his wish, "one of the advantages of being an Admiral". Well one could say the same about the timeline we are in now, war has broken out, it is reasonable to assume that similar modifications would have been made to that ship under these circumstances. The fly in the ointment is that in our timeline the USS Enterprise D was crashed by a women driver, however it is still reasonable to assume that the Galaxy class with it's built in versatility would have been adapted for battle along similar lines.
I watched Parallels , and that still doesn't make the Galaxy-x any more possible in the "Prime Universe" (the one we have now), now that the events that led to the heavy modifications to the Enterprise are now nonexistent.
The problem with assumptions in this regard is the fact there is no information other than what we see in that one episode. All you are doing is wild mass guessing. Reasonable is in the eye of the beholder. I do not consider it reasonable, since there is nothing to base it on.
For all we know Admiral "A Klingon stole my woman" Riker could have had that thing built just to shoot Worf with.
To an earlier post, the Galaxy was actually supposed to be equivalent to the Klingon Vor'cha, the Sovereign and the Negh'var are contemporary.
Not quite, the Sovereign came after the Galaxy. It is a newer more advanced ship. It does exist in the same time frame, but by the same token you could say the Constitution was a contemporary of the Excelsior when it (the Excelsior) launched.
I still can't get over the fact that the Fleet/Galaxy-X has worse tactical seating than a Fleet Nova. That's mind boggling. And it isn't against the Nova, it's insane for that to be the case for the Galaxy Dreadnaught.
The Phaser Lance is a sniper weapon, good at range, incredible penetration, and excellent killing power. A single Negh'var destroyed in five rapid shots. It's essentially was a, oh my, single target fire at will. Maybe one might call it a fire at will beam overload combination. I like the idea on the overhaul of the Lance. Five shots with extremely high shield penetration and shield damage. I mean if you consider a Negh'var has a hull in the 50K range, that means 10K per volley and five shots per volley, with the caveat of very narrow firing arc. It shouldn't miss if the target is in the arc, but you should be able to escape the arc fairly easily without any control going on.
As is though, I still say LtCdr Tac for the dread and fleet dread, and a sci or universal LtCdr for the Galaxy-R.
And I think the devs should really consider adapting the Dyson Science ship tech for the Galaxy's saucer separation mode.
I would be in favor of that sort of change, because it is exactly what is shown on screen. The spinal phaser should have a a much faster firing cycle than it currently has. The accuracy on it is horrible, and could use considerable improvement. How the hell can you miss a large stationary target?
I do not agree that it needs a lt commander tactical though. Nothing was shown that demonstrated any sort of advanced tactical capability other than "decloak and shoot until it explodes".
By that same mark isn't this a future that never happened?
The dreadnaught came about in the anti-future timeline because of the collapse of the Romulan Empire and the alliance with the Klingons. What do we have here, the collapse of the Romulans and war with the Klingons. Uniforms? Present and accounted for.
And technically by the lore of this game, the Dreadnaught was launched ten years ago. For this timeline it does exist.
It was created in a timeline that no longer exists. In that timeline the Romulans were conquered in their entirety by the Klingons, and there existed a state of cold war between the Federation and Klingon Empire. In this one, the Romulan homeworld system was destroyed by a supernova, and the Romulan Empire was fragmented. By that measure, no, they are different. It is in the game because it's a 'Cool Starship", and same with the uniforms, they go with the 'Cool Starship".
Alright this is gonna be a little mean.
What's the main difference between the timeline that progressed and the anti-time future? In the anti-time future, Deanna died.
So that's the choice. Either Deanna dies, or the Enterprise-D does. :rolleyes:
I never really like either. Can I have both? This way all future Enterprises have one less thing to worry about. :P
I do not agree that it needs a lt commander tactical though. Nothing was shown that demonstrated any sort of advanced tactical capability other than "decloak and shoot until it explodes".
Personally, I'd like a LtCmdr Tactical BOff seat from a game-play perspective, rather than a canon one. Cause if we're following canon for this ship, then the Phaser Lance should fire at least five times rapidly, cruiser along at warp 13, and blast a Negh'var to bits with a single volley from that BFG.
If something is going to be called a Dreadnought, I'd like it to instill dread in my enemies. As of now, two ensign and a single Lt Tac ability isn't going to put a dent in much.
I get that your English is bad, as you stated in another thread, but whether it is standard or not it is still a big discount. For the people who want those ships getting them 1/3 off is a good deal. I paid full price for all of mine.
The deal is nothing special and the incentive to buy does not exist.
Let us face facts - Cryptic made their announcement focus on the Dreadnought, threw in some arguably-deceptive claims about it and concluded with the impossible-to-miss "by the way the real dreadnought is in the fleet store". Everything else is superfluous to "SELLING THAT FLEET SHIP!"
And as the focus of this whole setup is the Dreadnought, or more precisely the "vastly superior Fleet version" (remember "FLEET == moar PEW PEW" and this one comes with a phaser lance!) the only people who would have reason to buy the bundle are those people who have not figured out you can spend 2000 zen, drop some EC for fleet modules, and walk away with "the real Dreadnought update" and an ECR you only pulled out of its box to cannibalize for a console.
And before you try "The bridge, the cloak, the 2-piece and AMS" recognize the bridge pack is undoubtedly selling so poorly that giving it away is their last ditch effort to "move the inventory", the cloak can be pulled off the TER, and the 2-piece bonus is not worth wasting a console slot on AMS.
To conclude - the mistake people make with all of this advertising is assuming the company is appealing to consumer wants. The company cares not what the consumer wants, they care for only what they think they can convince the consumer that they want. And that is why STO is F2P.
I watched Parallels , and that still doesn't make the Galaxy-x any more possible in the "Prime Universe" (the one we have now), now that the events that led to the heavy modifications to the Enterprise are now nonexistent.
The problem with assumptions in this regard is the fact there is no information other than what we see in that one episode. All you are doing is wild mass guessing. Reasonable is in the eye of the beholder. I do not consider it reasonable, since there is nothing to base it on.
For all we know Admiral "A Klingon stole my woman" Riker could have had that thing built just to shoot Worf with.
That would be hilarious. I actually agree with his Parallels multi continuity statement, however the Anti-Time Future as it was created by Q is suspect.
Not quite, the Sovereign came after the Galaxy. It is a newer more advanced ship. It does exist in the same time frame, but by the same token you could say the Constitution was a contemporary of the Excelsior when it (the Excelsior) launched.
That's now what I said though.
I said that the Vor'cha and the Galaxy came out at around the same time and that the Sovereign and the Negh'var were also launched at around the same time.
I would be in favor of that sort of change, because it is exactly what is shown on screen. The spinal phaser should have a a much faster firing cycle than it currently has. The accuracy on it is horrible, and could use considerable improvement. How the hell can you miss a large stationary target?
I do not agree that it needs a lt commander tactical though. Nothing was shown that demonstrated any sort of advanced tactical capability other than "decloak and shoot until it explodes".
The idea of a LtCdr tactical has nothing to do with onscreen canon.
You make a starship that can equip dual cannons. With only a Lt tac slot you have restricted it to having one cannon ability. That defies logic. Especially when you call it a dreadnaught, the ships with the greatest firing ability. And then you have what by all accounts should be the inferior 114 year old Excelsior and a fleet Science vessel that have a LtCdr tactical boff slot and it violates all logic and common sense.
It was created in a timeline that no longer exists. In that timeline the Romulans were conquered in their entirety by the Klingons, and there existed a state of cold war between the Federation and Klingon Empire. In this one, the Romulan homeworld system was destroyed by a supernova, and the Romulan Empire was fragmented. By that measure, no, they are different. It is in the game because it's a 'Cool Starship", and same with the uniforms, they go with the 'Cool Starship".
That is completely irrelevant.
It exists in this timeline. Heck it exists for some of the same reasons. Romulan Empire no longer a major factor, the Federation and the Klingons are no longer friendly. Khitomer Accords gone. The Federation needed a more tactical ship, they refitted some Galaxies. Path to 2409, 2399. It is canon to this timeline, not just a cool ship that they pulled out for nostalgia, they wrote it in.
And those All Good Things uniforms has been shown in timelines outside of the Anti-Time Future, they also showed up in the DS9 episode the Visitor (the one where Sisko was trapped in subspace and Jake spent his whole life trying to get him back).
I never really like either. Can I have both? This way all future Enterprises have one less thing to worry about. :P
Fine by me.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
And I will say again that no one is disputing that. As I said a few posts up, they have the right to produce whatever product they wish and you have the right to not buy it. If you do not like the product you do not need to justify why you do not want to purchase it, and they do not need to justify why they wish to sell it. It is as simple as that.
Just because you want X does not mean they must give you X.
In economics, its customary to have an ear for the needs of the potential customer and then fill that need with a product.
Heck, a whole industry has sprung up around the whole issue of market analysis.
Heck ,we are telling them what we'd like to have. Straight up. And some dumb demand about making a fed scimitar aside, the needs are pretty small time. LTC tac, a revamped lance. A flexible seating using the dyson ships tech for the galaxy.
But noooo. Cryptic has to go the extra mile here and add INSULT to injury by not only blabbing about how they are going to bring the ship into line with the other dreads, when they are not. In fact they continue to take another DUMP on us by trying to sell this HACK JOB as something big, especially infuriating is the fact that after 4 years and hundreds of pages of suggestions and good ideas they do this:
- not fix the model
- slap a fckn hangar on it (ONE hangar, not even 2 like the jemmy dread) on the faction that has no frigate pets.
- change the vital tac ensign to universal, as if we would want to to run something different but tac! On this tac starved WARSHIP.
- Lance is still ****ty gun that gets out damaged by a turret.
- a lame set bonus noone asked for. and saucer sep. on a ship that should not even have it.
and here is the big kicker:
They try to sell the ship as the big bad warship of the federation, when the excelsior and AC clearly outstrip it in terms of power. Not even mentioning the Regent and avenger her....
So in fact they are lying to their customers.
Do not lie to your customer, if they tell you what they'd like try to give it to them.
And yet companies still ignore this.
Remember Microsoft and their Xbox one debacle?
They have ignored the "vocal minority" and are paying for it now.
Cryptic is run by a brother of that ocean marketing guy it seems.....
"Customers? Yeah lets **** on them. What good did they ever do?"
And yet companies still ignore this.
Remember Microsoft and their Xbox one debacle?
They have ignored the "vocal minority" and are paying for it now.
Cryptic is run by a brother of that ocean marketing guy it seems.....
"Customers? Yeah lets **** on them. What good did they ever do?"
But they at least Microsoft listened, acknowledged, and corrected.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
I said that the Vor'cha and the Galaxy came out at around the same time and that the Sovereign and the Negh'var were also launched at around the same time.
Ok, yes, I misread that. I thought that you were directly comparing them.
The idea of a LtCdr tactical has nothing to do with onscreen canon.
You make a starship that can equip dual cannons. With only a Lt tac slot you have restricted it to having one cannon ability. That defies logic. Especially when you call it a dreadnaught, the ships with the greatest firing ability. And then you have what by all accounts should be the inferior 114 year old Excelsior and a fleet Science vessel that have a LtCdr tactical boff slot and it violates all logic and common sense.
Don't take this the wrong way, but the NX ship can use cannons, and so can the lt level escorts without the use of a Lt commander tactical slot. I think that allowing the Dreadnaught to use cannons was a big mistake. For one, they have a narrow firing arc and as has been pointed out, they are not practical on a ship with low maneuverability. Secondly there is nothing to indicate that the Dreadnaught had any such weapons on screen. Yes, Cryptic put them on the Dreadnaught for whatever reason. They should remove the ability, and do something else. The cannon issue is a red herring to me. You can use other weapons on that ship. Being focused on the fact that it is allowed to mount cannons, I think, is silly, as is the desire for a Lt commander tactical slot to accommodate more skills for them.
That is completely irrelevant.
It exists in this timeline. Heck it exists for some of the same reasons. Romulan Empire no longer a major factor, the Federation and the Klingons are no longer friendly. Khitomer Accords gone. The Federation needed a more tactical ship, they refitted some Galaxies. Path to 2409, 2399. It is canon to this timeline, not just a cool ship that they pulled out for nostalgia, they wrote it in.
No it's not.
It exists in the game because it's a cool starship. Outside of the game, as far as I know, it doesn't exist (unless you can show me where). It was shoehorned in when Cryptic decided to make it the official dreadnaught for the Federation, in place of the Jupiter Class, with no real explanation of what it was doing there. It is just laziness on Cryptic's part, not any sort of canon.
I tried looking for a reference to the Federation developing the Galaxy-X dreadnaught in the path to 2409, and I am just not seeing it.
Just because the Romulan Empire is gone as well as the Khitomer Accords, doesn't magically make the Federations commitment to peace evaporate. Starfleet has done pretty well with exploration ships. The whole "Federation needs battleships" train of thought, is a player desire for more powercreep above and beyond what we already have. This isn't Starfleet Battles Online.
And those All Good Things uniforms has been shown in timelines outside of the Anti-Time Future, they also showed up in the DS9 episode the Visitor (the one where Sisko was trapped in subspace and Jake spent his whole life trying to get him back).
In the Mirror Universe, despite hundreds of years of alternate history, Archer, Tucker, Hoshi, and T'Pol are aboard the NX-01. Kirk, Spock, Sulu, etc. are aboard the 1701. Sisko, Bashir, O'Brien, Kira, and Odo are aboard DS9. Even Vic is through unknown circumstances. They could have deviated. Jake doesn't exist for example and Jennifer was alive at first. But the creators chose not to.
In the alternate universe created by the red matter incursion, the same crew winds up aboard the Enterprise. Carol Marcus may be British but Kirk still hooks up with her.
In Parallels, Worf shifts between Enterprises that occupy the same physical space down to the milimeter despite different events and then encounters more Enterprises all investigating the same telescope, including in timelines where the Cardassians joined Starfleet, the Bajorans enslaved the Cardassians, and where the Borg defeated the Federation.
You have characters commenting on destiny as a real force.
Spock: here is a theory. There could be some logic to the belief that time is fluid, like a river, with currents, eddies, backwash.
Kirk: And the same currents that swept McCoy to a certain time and place might sweep us there, too.
Your best bet is to treat the timeline like a river. If it can happen to a river, it can happen to time. It can be split, dammed, diverted, or impacted with relatively little change sometimes because it covers the same terrain.
The butterfly effect in Star Trek is false. It is NOT REAL. The universe has a narrative that it tries to adhere to in the face of all plausibility.
In the case of STO, most events from parallel futures seen on the shows happened in STO's timeline.
Jake wrote his novels and is a journalist.
The Doctor became an advocate for photonic rights.
Picard now has Irumodic syndrome and retired to France.
Worf returned to the Klingon Empire.
Data has a white streak in his hair and is a college professor (albeit at Oxford in STO's timeline).
Beverly commands the Pasteur and, it is implied, was married to Jean-Luc before divorcing.
Geordi has retained his history from AGT and Timeless. He commanded the Galaxy class Challenger. He married Leah Brahms (after her marriage ended for reasons not addressed in the game universe). They had the same three kids they had in AGT. He has quit and rejoined Starfleet several times to make this work so that circa the timeframe of AGT, he was out of Starfleet and circa Timeless, he was commanding a Galaxy class ship.
Kim, as I recall, commanded the Rhode Island.
The Yellowstone runabout was developed, as it was in another timeline.
These all happened in alternate timelines and averting the big events of those timelines did not alter the same basic events from happening in STO's timeline.
In general, there is no butterfly effect. Changes to history have unexpected or unpredictable effects but even the death or saving of major historical figures or radical alterations to culture and battles typically leaves a lot intact.
The traditional sci-fi butterfly effect is that stepping on a butterfly in the past may change elections, language, culture, or annhilate human history.
The Star Trek version generally says, "Not so much." A well targeted change can have big effects but generally stepping on a butterfly is more likely to have wildly unpredictable effects like make everyone wear green or have different middle names, if you notice a difference at all.
Star Trek also veers towards the notion embraced more and more by corners of string theory (albeit in a pop way, like most Trek sci-fi) that the present is the result of multiple alternate pasts, the future the result of multiple alternate presents. That events converge from contradictory pasts towards a shared present. We may or may not have multiple futures that could be ours but the future has multiple pasts that it is reconciling.
Also, in Yesterday's Enterprise, despite multiple years of changes, the Galaxy class albeit with some differences to configuration and purpose (it's a troop transport with twice the TRIBBLE compliment) is still developed. Now, in the YE timeline, the Warship Enterprise is the first Galaxy class ship. Which implies it's a rechristened USS Galaxy.
But Picard is still in command. The crew is mostly the same, down to Guinan being bartender. The ship retains the same external appearance.
So if 20 years of alternate history there can create an identical Enterprise-D, I fail to see why 30 years of alternate history here can't still produce a Galaxy-X, particularly if Picard filed a report that mentioned a three nacelle refit.
You dont have to change that much 1 LtCtac ,will fix alot, and 2nd hanger bay would give us a fed carrier to love ,or cloak built in ,Most of the fed players want a formitable Gal -X , We are tried of the galx being a fail baot ,Why get a ship we cant use thats way under powerd , We could try to make a tank ,but theres much better tanks in game ,Devs ask your self you want to release a STARTREK icon in STO that feds will hate to play and klingon and romulans will laugh at ,,,,,, think about it a little more before you put the fans though that one agian ,,thank for a great game please fix the gal-x-R
Ok, as interesting as this debate is, lets come back to the issue at hand:
It does not matter if the GX was real or not.
- Cryptic chose to put it into the game.
- They chose deliberately to market it as a warship.
- They gave it bogus stats back then, up to and including the idiotic Boff seating and the "cannons on the slowest fed ship"
- they made the Excelsior, a ship much older than the Galaxy, into the premier warship for the federation cruiser jocks by giving it good mobility and a decent boff seating. Repeat: The 100+ years old ship gets to be a better warship than the ship specifically introduced as a warship...
- Cryptic made a ham-fisted social network hype campaign alluding to something awesome happening in regards to the Galaxy class and then flat out went mentally crippled, and put out the BS that they have put out.
Their rebooted ships still carry the same descriptions "warship!" "premiere cruiser!" but have not actually been changed to reflect that.
The ship specifically toted and described as warship, gets ****tier stats (that includes boff seating) than its contemporaries AND does not even slightly match up to "being brought up to the standard" set by the other dreadnoughts.
THH Galaxy R has been flat out neglected.
- Cryptic passed up the opportunity to use the tech they developed for the veteran ships and dyson ships (basically hot swapping role and boff setup in battle, inbuild weapons ) to give something new and refreshing to the Galaxys.
And the most damning thing they did is actually be butthurt about people voicing their justified disappointment.
I do not agree that it needs a lt commander tactical though. Nothing was shown that demonstrated any sort of advanced tactical capability other than "decloak and shoot until it explodes".
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I agree with that sentiment. Although there is one thing to keep in mind: The Galaxy Class explorer in the IP is a ship which due to it's intented purpose already is a ship with a huge armament and firepower. STO however, due to the trinity system they went for pre f2p, did not grant the ship any considerable firepower since all of that felt in the "tactical" department which the Galaxy class didn't get any of, instead small frigates outgun the biggest Starfleet vessel in-canon which was made to confront the unknown dangers of uncharted space. The desire for a LTC tactical is just rooted in the thought that the ship should somehow have a better damage dealing potential.
Also, kudos to stoleviathan99. I always considered STO to take place in an unmarked alternate future because of numerous things that would not make sense in the prime universe. The list just supports my "headcanon" that let's me forgive quite a lot of nonsense in STO. Despite the fact that the game isn't even supposed top be a coherent entity but rather just a virtual star trek playground of some sort. But whatever
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Ok, as interesting as this debate is, lets come back to the issue at hand:
It does not matter if the GX was real or not.
- Cryptic chose to put it into the game.
- They chose deliberately to market it as a warship.
- They gave it bogus stats back then, up to and including the idiotic Boff seating and the "cannons on the slowest fed ship"
- they made the Excelsior, a ship much older than the Galaxy, into the premier warship for the federation cruiser jocks by giving it good mobility and a decent boff seating. Repeat: The 100+ years old ship gets to be a better warship than the ship specifically introduced as a warship...
- Cryptic made a ham-fisted social network hype campaign alluding to something awesome happening in regards to the Galaxy class and then flat out went mentally crippled, and put out the BS that they have put out.
Their rebooted ships still carry the same descriptions "warship!" "premiere cruiser!" but have not actually been changed to reflect that.
The ship specifically toted and described as warship, gets ****tier stats (that includes boff seating) than its contemporaries AND does not even slightly match up to "being brought up to the standard" set by the other dreadnoughts.
THH Galaxy R has been flat out neglected.
- Cryptic passed up the opportunity to use the tech they developed for the veteran ships and dyson ships (basically hot swapping role and boff setup in battle, inbuild weapons ) to give something new and refreshing to the Galaxys.
And the most damning thing they did is actually be butthurt about people voicing their justified disappointment.
Quoting for truth.
And again I'd just like to point out: If this was any other ship - a unique cryptic non-canon design - let's say the Avenger, nobody would even think about buying it.
Yes, if the Avenger had been presented with stats like that, it would have been laughed off the face of the planet.
Albeit that I rarely like my Trek to be bloodthirsty, there is so much truth aforementioned here. This dread-not will never shine unless they give it at least a Lt Cmdr tac slot. Forget the worthless 2pc set that's adding insult to injury. Unless it has that boff seat or the ability for modular use, it will never have the potential Cryptic hyped it up to be.
But it's amazing how spell-binding they can slingshot a pair of rose-paired glasses onto a few folks. I know somebody who would otherwise be considered reasonably intelligent and he's on a campaign to tell everyone it's "Perfect" as it is. Their logic-defying nonsense can actually work and this is probably why their stalwart, stubborn attitude has been cemented into place.
Whatever they can milk us for I suppose people will be dumb enough to buy it.
This reboot is a diaster. We the Fans have not been given what we want for these ships
We the fans are the ones who spend the Cash
Many in my 500 member fleet have asked if they should buy this new packge . guess what my answer ws and what answer was given to our members ................No
So who is right ? Boriscryptic ? . no he isnt right . Not even a little Boris is costing cyrptic cash because this reboot will not net even 10% of the cash cryptic could make
This reboot does not have the blessing of the hardcore Fans who supports this game
So when its all said and done. When the last card is played. Cryptic losses . The Fans are mad and the game suffers
The Big men at Cryptic . The ones who want to make money need to step in here and make real decisions about what there Fan base really wants
The word is Star Trek online
Not Alien Trek online
Its Amazing you guys stay in buisness making such POOR buisness decisions that yopu do not even know where your pontiional money is at
you made a very ulgy Fed ship the Avenger and look how well it sold !!!!!! and is still selling
But the best looking ships the Icon ships you ignor...Those are the ships that would sell yet at every turn you ignor them ??????????
you could make a Tac heavy Galaxy and sell it stand alone for 2500 Zen and we would buy it as a stand alone mk-2 Galaxy
But you cryptic dont want our money it seems
Offer nothing
Get nothing
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
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Agree! So, thats makes the Galaxy Pack "more expensive" than it should, not cheaper like you claim.
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I am going to quote you:
Like I said, is the same discount than they use on the Ody, Kumary and Vesta and on the 3 pack and 10 pack Dyson ships.
So, there is no big discount and they are sell it at the prize of the top of the line ships.
ADD to the fact, that you need to buy the Fleet Module to get the fleet version, but the rest of the packs are Fleet Standars.
Inconclucion, the Galaxy Pack is more expanisve than the top of the line packs.
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Whether I think the ships are worth their price has no bearing on them giving you a 33% discount.
Is the standard Cryptic discount, if you think that is big or small is your impression and opinion.
But the math (you can not discuss the math) said that is the STANDAR cryptic discount.
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Hoo yes, my english is terrible and I sorry for that.
But math is math and 33% is the same discount they use in all their packs.
Anyway, we are getting no where. Going to play PVP.. good luck and good nigth.
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Its still a sweet deal, and a discount. Instead of buying them all full price. Which helps future buyers who want the ships. Where the others already had it for a long time.
It was enough to encourage me to buy it. I was going to get the Avenger as my next ship. Now this changed my mind. As I get all of that instead of 1 ship.
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But that doesn't make sense though. The Odyssey pack is 5000 zen instead of 7500. It's the exact same discount when accounting for one cheaper ship.
And it's a reissue. It wouldn't make sense to do a full price pack for ships that some people already have...that said it is also illogical for them to do the bundle and exclude people who have already purchased pieces of it from benefiting from the discount. That's the brakes I guess. The legacy pack has the same rules, but the items and the bundle released at the same time.
Also them unloading outdated ships is a little weird. It's not like a car dealership where they have thousands of Galaxies sitting around and they need to get rid of them to clear the way for new inventory.
And unloading outdated ships is oxymoronical to the whole point of this blog and thread since they're actually trying to "unload" "updated" ships.
or they start selling us the ability change stats on ships cause they run out of ships to sell and we can fix it ourselves
But their is no logical reason to do that. They could have allowed them to meet the new T5.5 standards established in the game very easily. A Lt Cmdr tac in the X and a universal ensign in the R would have made them comparable or just as desirable as those new T5.5 ships without invalidating any existing ships for many players. Potential sales for an item that has a flat cost to create are sales you want to make.
I just don't get it. I understand the need for variety, game balance, all that fun stuff. But to intentionally pour developer time into a project and not try to make it competitive with existing options makes no sense to me.
I already own the X. Tomorrow if it had a Lt. Cmdr Tac I would strongly consider buying a fleet module. I don't own the R. If it had an ensign Uni I would likely pick it up on the next ship sale just to have it. I can only speak for myself but I am a lost potential sale of this 'reboot'.
Agreed ^^
We as customers have the responsibility to tell Cryptic what WHAT WE REALLY WANT to spend our money on.
I REALLY wanted to spend my money on THIS.
NOT zen to convert to dilithium for endless meaningless bling for fleet holdings.
SPENDING my money on a decent Galaxy would have been better for me, because I would have had more FUN with it than choice #2.
I hope they get that. Because that's just this customer's feedback.
This was an opportunity here. To sell us something we wanted that would have been fun.
So they won't get any money from me this time. I'm glad they are doing so well they can turn it away.
I'll find somewhere else to spend it then.
And I'll stick with the Avenger then.
But dare I say, they know what we want, keep trying to sell me something I don't, and I'll just keep spending it elsewhere.
I watched Parallels , and that still doesn't make the Galaxy-x any more possible in the "Prime Universe" (the one we have now), now that the events that led to the heavy modifications to the Enterprise are now nonexistent.
The problem with assumptions in this regard is the fact there is no information other than what we see in that one episode. All you are doing is wild mass guessing. Reasonable is in the eye of the beholder. I do not consider it reasonable, since there is nothing to base it on.
For all we know Admiral "A Klingon stole my woman" Riker could have had that thing built just to shoot Worf with.
Not quite, the Sovereign came after the Galaxy. It is a newer more advanced ship. It does exist in the same time frame, but by the same token you could say the Constitution was a contemporary of the Excelsior when it (the Excelsior) launched.
I would be in favor of that sort of change, because it is exactly what is shown on screen. The spinal phaser should have a a much faster firing cycle than it currently has. The accuracy on it is horrible, and could use considerable improvement. How the hell can you miss a large stationary target?
I do not agree that it needs a lt commander tactical though. Nothing was shown that demonstrated any sort of advanced tactical capability other than "decloak and shoot until it explodes".
It was created in a timeline that no longer exists. In that timeline the Romulans were conquered in their entirety by the Klingons, and there existed a state of cold war between the Federation and Klingon Empire. In this one, the Romulan homeworld system was destroyed by a supernova, and the Romulan Empire was fragmented. By that measure, no, they are different. It is in the game because it's a 'Cool Starship", and same with the uniforms, they go with the 'Cool Starship".
I never really like either. Can I have both? This way all future Enterprises have one less thing to worry about. :P
Personally, I'd like a LtCmdr Tactical BOff seat from a game-play perspective, rather than a canon one. Cause if we're following canon for this ship, then the Phaser Lance should fire at least five times rapidly, cruiser along at warp 13, and blast a Negh'var to bits with a single volley from that BFG.
If something is going to be called a Dreadnought, I'd like it to instill dread in my enemies. As of now, two ensign and a single Lt Tac ability isn't going to put a dent in much.
The deal is nothing special and the incentive to buy does not exist.
Let us face facts - Cryptic made their announcement focus on the Dreadnought, threw in some arguably-deceptive claims about it and concluded with the impossible-to-miss "by the way the real dreadnought is in the fleet store". Everything else is superfluous to "SELLING THAT FLEET SHIP!"
And as the focus of this whole setup is the Dreadnought, or more precisely the "vastly superior Fleet version" (remember "FLEET == moar PEW PEW" and this one comes with a phaser lance!) the only people who would have reason to buy the bundle are those people who have not figured out you can spend 2000 zen, drop some EC for fleet modules, and walk away with "the real Dreadnought update" and an ECR you only pulled out of its box to cannibalize for a console.
And before you try "The bridge, the cloak, the 2-piece and AMS" recognize the bridge pack is undoubtedly selling so poorly that giving it away is their last ditch effort to "move the inventory", the cloak can be pulled off the TER, and the 2-piece bonus is not worth wasting a console slot on AMS.
To conclude - the mistake people make with all of this advertising is assuming the company is appealing to consumer wants. The company cares not what the consumer wants, they care for only what they think they can convince the consumer that they want. And that is why STO is F2P.
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That would be hilarious. I actually agree with his Parallels multi continuity statement, however the Anti-Time Future as it was created by Q is suspect.
That's now what I said though.
I said that the Vor'cha and the Galaxy came out at around the same time and that the Sovereign and the Negh'var were also launched at around the same time.
The idea of a LtCdr tactical has nothing to do with onscreen canon.
You make a starship that can equip dual cannons. With only a Lt tac slot you have restricted it to having one cannon ability. That defies logic. Especially when you call it a dreadnaught, the ships with the greatest firing ability. And then you have what by all accounts should be the inferior 114 year old Excelsior and a fleet Science vessel that have a LtCdr tactical boff slot and it violates all logic and common sense.
That is completely irrelevant.
It exists in this timeline. Heck it exists for some of the same reasons. Romulan Empire no longer a major factor, the Federation and the Klingons are no longer friendly. Khitomer Accords gone. The Federation needed a more tactical ship, they refitted some Galaxies. Path to 2409, 2399. It is canon to this timeline, not just a cool ship that they pulled out for nostalgia, they wrote it in.
And those All Good Things uniforms has been shown in timelines outside of the Anti-Time Future, they also showed up in the DS9 episode the Visitor (the one where Sisko was trapped in subspace and Jake spent his whole life trying to get him back).
Fine by me.
In economics, its customary to have an ear for the needs of the potential customer and then fill that need with a product.
Heck, a whole industry has sprung up around the whole issue of market analysis.
Heck ,we are telling them what we'd like to have. Straight up. And some dumb demand about making a fed scimitar aside, the needs are pretty small time. LTC tac, a revamped lance. A flexible seating using the dyson ships tech for the galaxy.
But noooo. Cryptic has to go the extra mile here and add INSULT to injury by not only blabbing about how they are going to bring the ship into line with the other dreads, when they are not. In fact they continue to take another DUMP on us by trying to sell this HACK JOB as something big, especially infuriating is the fact that after 4 years and hundreds of pages of suggestions and good ideas they do this:
- not fix the model
- slap a fckn hangar on it (ONE hangar, not even 2 like the jemmy dread) on the faction that has no frigate pets.
- change the vital tac ensign to universal, as if we would want to to run something different but tac! On this tac starved WARSHIP.
- Lance is still ****ty gun that gets out damaged by a turret.
- a lame set bonus noone asked for. and saucer sep. on a ship that should not even have it.
and here is the big kicker:
They try to sell the ship as the big bad warship of the federation, when the excelsior and AC clearly outstrip it in terms of power. Not even mentioning the Regent and avenger her....
So in fact they are lying to their customers.
Do not lie to your customer, if they tell you what they'd like try to give it to them.
And yet companies still ignore this.
Remember Microsoft and their Xbox one debacle?
They have ignored the "vocal minority" and are paying for it now.
Cryptic is run by a brother of that ocean marketing guy it seems.....
"Customers? Yeah lets **** on them. What good did they ever do?"
But they at least Microsoft listened, acknowledged, and corrected.
Ok, yes, I misread that. I thought that you were directly comparing them.
Don't take this the wrong way, but the NX ship can use cannons, and so can the lt level escorts without the use of a Lt commander tactical slot. I think that allowing the Dreadnaught to use cannons was a big mistake. For one, they have a narrow firing arc and as has been pointed out, they are not practical on a ship with low maneuverability. Secondly there is nothing to indicate that the Dreadnaught had any such weapons on screen. Yes, Cryptic put them on the Dreadnaught for whatever reason. They should remove the ability, and do something else. The cannon issue is a red herring to me. You can use other weapons on that ship. Being focused on the fact that it is allowed to mount cannons, I think, is silly, as is the desire for a Lt commander tactical slot to accommodate more skills for them.
No it's not.
It exists in the game because it's a cool starship. Outside of the game, as far as I know, it doesn't exist (unless you can show me where). It was shoehorned in when Cryptic decided to make it the official dreadnaught for the Federation, in place of the Jupiter Class, with no real explanation of what it was doing there. It is just laziness on Cryptic's part, not any sort of canon.
I tried looking for a reference to the Federation developing the Galaxy-X dreadnaught in the path to 2409, and I am just not seeing it.
Just because the Romulan Empire is gone as well as the Khitomer Accords, doesn't magically make the Federations commitment to peace evaporate. Starfleet has done pretty well with exploration ships. The whole "Federation needs battleships" train of thought, is a player desire for more powercreep above and beyond what we already have. This isn't Starfleet Battles Online.
Good enough, I forgot about that one.
Destiny of some kind exists in Star Trek.
In the Mirror Universe, despite hundreds of years of alternate history, Archer, Tucker, Hoshi, and T'Pol are aboard the NX-01. Kirk, Spock, Sulu, etc. are aboard the 1701. Sisko, Bashir, O'Brien, Kira, and Odo are aboard DS9. Even Vic is through unknown circumstances. They could have deviated. Jake doesn't exist for example and Jennifer was alive at first. But the creators chose not to.
In the alternate universe created by the red matter incursion, the same crew winds up aboard the Enterprise. Carol Marcus may be British but Kirk still hooks up with her.
In Parallels, Worf shifts between Enterprises that occupy the same physical space down to the milimeter despite different events and then encounters more Enterprises all investigating the same telescope, including in timelines where the Cardassians joined Starfleet, the Bajorans enslaved the Cardassians, and where the Borg defeated the Federation.
You have characters commenting on destiny as a real force.
Spock: here is a theory. There could be some logic to the belief that time is fluid, like a river, with currents, eddies, backwash.
Kirk: And the same currents that swept McCoy to a certain time and place might sweep us there, too.
Your best bet is to treat the timeline like a river. If it can happen to a river, it can happen to time. It can be split, dammed, diverted, or impacted with relatively little change sometimes because it covers the same terrain.
The butterfly effect in Star Trek is false. It is NOT REAL. The universe has a narrative that it tries to adhere to in the face of all plausibility.
In the case of STO, most events from parallel futures seen on the shows happened in STO's timeline.
Jake wrote his novels and is a journalist.
The Doctor became an advocate for photonic rights.
Picard now has Irumodic syndrome and retired to France.
Worf returned to the Klingon Empire.
Data has a white streak in his hair and is a college professor (albeit at Oxford in STO's timeline).
Beverly commands the Pasteur and, it is implied, was married to Jean-Luc before divorcing.
Geordi has retained his history from AGT and Timeless. He commanded the Galaxy class Challenger. He married Leah Brahms (after her marriage ended for reasons not addressed in the game universe). They had the same three kids they had in AGT. He has quit and rejoined Starfleet several times to make this work so that circa the timeframe of AGT, he was out of Starfleet and circa Timeless, he was commanding a Galaxy class ship.
Kim, as I recall, commanded the Rhode Island.
The Yellowstone runabout was developed, as it was in another timeline.
These all happened in alternate timelines and averting the big events of those timelines did not alter the same basic events from happening in STO's timeline.
In general, there is no butterfly effect. Changes to history have unexpected or unpredictable effects but even the death or saving of major historical figures or radical alterations to culture and battles typically leaves a lot intact.
The traditional sci-fi butterfly effect is that stepping on a butterfly in the past may change elections, language, culture, or annhilate human history.
The Star Trek version generally says, "Not so much." A well targeted change can have big effects but generally stepping on a butterfly is more likely to have wildly unpredictable effects like make everyone wear green or have different middle names, if you notice a difference at all.
Star Trek also veers towards the notion embraced more and more by corners of string theory (albeit in a pop way, like most Trek sci-fi) that the present is the result of multiple alternate pasts, the future the result of multiple alternate presents. That events converge from contradictory pasts towards a shared present. We may or may not have multiple futures that could be ours but the future has multiple pasts that it is reconciling.
But Picard is still in command. The crew is mostly the same, down to Guinan being bartender. The ship retains the same external appearance.
So if 20 years of alternate history there can create an identical Enterprise-D, I fail to see why 30 years of alternate history here can't still produce a Galaxy-X, particularly if Picard filed a report that mentioned a three nacelle refit.
It does not matter if the GX was real or not.
- Cryptic chose to put it into the game.
- They chose deliberately to market it as a warship.
- They gave it bogus stats back then, up to and including the idiotic Boff seating and the "cannons on the slowest fed ship"
- they made the Excelsior, a ship much older than the Galaxy, into the premier warship for the federation cruiser jocks by giving it good mobility and a decent boff seating. Repeat: The 100+ years old ship gets to be a better warship than the ship specifically introduced as a warship...
- Cryptic made a ham-fisted social network hype campaign alluding to something awesome happening in regards to the Galaxy class and then flat out went mentally crippled, and put out the BS that they have put out.
Their rebooted ships still carry the same descriptions "warship!" "premiere cruiser!" but have not actually been changed to reflect that.
The ship specifically toted and described as warship, gets ****tier stats (that includes boff seating) than its contemporaries AND does not even slightly match up to "being brought up to the standard" set by the other dreadnoughts.
THH Galaxy R has been flat out neglected.
- Cryptic passed up the opportunity to use the tech they developed for the veteran ships and dyson ships (basically hot swapping role and boff setup in battle, inbuild weapons ) to give something new and refreshing to the Galaxys.
And the most damning thing they did is actually be butthurt about people voicing their justified disappointment.
I agree with that sentiment. Although there is one thing to keep in mind: The Galaxy Class explorer in the IP is a ship which due to it's intented purpose already is a ship with a huge armament and firepower. STO however, due to the trinity system they went for pre f2p, did not grant the ship any considerable firepower since all of that felt in the "tactical" department which the Galaxy class didn't get any of, instead small frigates outgun the biggest Starfleet vessel in-canon which was made to confront the unknown dangers of uncharted space. The desire for a LTC tactical is just rooted in the thought that the ship should somehow have a better damage dealing potential.
Also, kudos to stoleviathan99. I always considered STO to take place in an unmarked alternate future because of numerous things that would not make sense in the prime universe. The list just supports my "headcanon" that let's me forgive quite a lot of nonsense in STO. Despite the fact that the game isn't even supposed top be a coherent entity but rather just a virtual star trek playground of some sort. But whatever
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Quoting for truth.
And again I'd just like to point out: If this was any other ship - a unique cryptic non-canon design - let's say the Avenger, nobody would even think about buying it.
Yes, if the Avenger had been presented with stats like that, it would have been laughed off the face of the planet.
But it's amazing how spell-binding they can slingshot a pair of rose-paired glasses onto a few folks. I know somebody who would otherwise be considered reasonably intelligent and he's on a campaign to tell everyone it's "Perfect" as it is. Their logic-defying nonsense can actually work and this is probably why their stalwart, stubborn attitude has been cemented into place.
Whatever they can milk us for I suppose people will be dumb enough to buy it.
We the fans are the ones who spend the Cash
Many in my 500 member fleet have asked if they should buy this new packge . guess what my answer ws and what answer was given to our members ................No
So who is right ? Boriscryptic ? . no he isnt right . Not even a little Boris is costing cyrptic cash because this reboot will not net even 10% of the cash cryptic could make
This reboot does not have the blessing of the hardcore Fans who supports this game
So when its all said and done. When the last card is played. Cryptic losses . The Fans are mad and the game suffers
The Big men at Cryptic . The ones who want to make money need to step in here and make real decisions about what there Fan base really wants
The word is Star Trek online
Not Alien Trek online
Its Amazing you guys stay in buisness making such POOR buisness decisions that yopu do not even know where your pontiional money is at
you made a very ulgy Fed ship the Avenger and look how well it sold !!!!!! and is still selling
But the best looking ships the Icon ships you ignor...Those are the ships that would sell yet at every turn you ignor them ??????????
you could make a Tac heavy Galaxy and sell it stand alone for 2500 Zen and we would buy it as a stand alone mk-2 Galaxy
But you cryptic dont want our money it seems
Offer nothing
Get nothing
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse