So they changed the Dreadnought and not the galaxy at all >.>
Well yeah. Apparently the Galaxy X is the flagship of the Federation. And the most iconic ship in all of Star Trek or something like that. In 45 brief shining seconds of on-screen glory an alternate timeline Admiral Riker eclipsed everything Sir Patrick Stewart ever brought to the series.
Technically, "reboot" applies just as much to turning your computer off and turning it on again is it does to a total overhaul of an existing property...
Thanks, but unless I'm mistaken nobody ever said this had happened to the Galaxy class:
Well yeah. Apparently the Galaxy X is the flagship of the Federation. And the most iconic ship in all of Star Trek or something like that. In 45 brief shining seconds of on-screen glory an alternate timeline Admiral Riker eclipsed everything Sir Patrick Stewart ever brought to the series.
Because ... phaser lance!
Galaxy X is not the flagship of the federation that was an alternate timeline from one episode, no one cares about the Galaxy X its an ugly ship. Galaxy pwns the Galaxy X.
Galaxy X is not the flagship of the federation that was an alternate timeline from one episode, no one cares about the Galaxy X its an ugly ship. Galaxy pwns the Galaxy X.
Personally i like the design of the Galaxy-X and loath the Galaxy design. To each their own huh.
Either way in "All good things" it was the personal vessel of Admiral Riker which by definition makes it a flagship.
But going back to the discussions, the hangar upgrade to the X is nice but not really necessary.
The galaxy X lools like it was designed for combat and the lack of tactic boff slots is what bothers most. The obvious solution would be to replace the LCom Engineering with LCom Tac.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
Personally i like the design of the Galaxy-X and loath the Galaxy design. To each their own huh.
Either way in "All good things" it was the personal vessel of Admiral Riker which by definition makes it a flagship.
But going back to the discussions, the hangar upgrade to the X is nice but not really necessary.
The galaxy X lools like it was designed for combat and the lack of tactic boff slots is what bothers most. The obvious solution would be to replace the LCom Engineering with LCom Tac.
Not a flagship in this universe, the timeline was alter so that event never happened, its like taking the star trek movies and putting it into this game which does not happen. Enterprise D galaxy class was never turned into the Enterprise D Galaxy X class. Galaxy > Galaxy X.
So they changed the Dreadnought and not the galaxy at all >.>
The saucer separation function is being updated on the standard Galaxy.
As for the thread topic.....
The changes to the dreadnought cruiser have mixed appeal to me.
The good:
1. The hangar could be useful.
2. Universal station.
3. The two-piece bonuses, while not something to write home about, are helpful.
4. Even though I don't agree with the idea of saucer separation on the dreadnought cruiser, it's there for people who want it.
5. The phaser lance's widebeam function is an interesting idea.
The bad:
1. The lance's accuracy issues don't seem to have been addressed. At least, on the C-Store variant.
2. Cloaking for the dreadnought cruiser should have been an innate ability, rather than continuing to be a console function.
3. The universal station, while possibly helpful at ensign level, should have been set at lieutenant commander level. The ensign universal would have been a big help for the Galaxy "R", however.
Here's hoping that the Fleet version's tenth console will be tactical. But I won't hold my breath.
Star Trek ONLINE, the game that these forums are for, uses it to denote either Shon's Odyssey class ship The Enterprise, or the "Flagship bundles" you can purchase.
This game really isn't comparable to Star Trek television shows.
Just look at the uniforms your characters wear and compare them to whatever you see on ESD on any given day. Or you know, fly a breen ship as a starfleet captain.
Well yeah. Apparently the Galaxy X is the flagship of the Federation. And the most iconic ship in all of Star Trek or something like that. In 45 brief shining seconds of on-screen glory an alternate timeline Admiral Riker eclipsed everything Sir Patrick Stewart ever brought to the series.
Because ... phaser lance!
They are correct that a flagship has two meanings, "THE" flag ship, the enterprise, and "A" flagship, the commander of a fleet or a ship an admiral is using as their command ship.
Please quit arguing over this, the other person already said they are an RP'er, they are leaning in to starfleet having an admiral in command of every ship and thus every ship in the game is a flagship, and thus their starship of choice as an admiral is a "flagship." Especially if cryptic ever gives us command of our own little mini fleets by putting our boffs in command of other ships. But regardless of all of this, whether or not the dread is "a flagship" is not relevant to this thread, nor should it matter to you or to them whether the other agrees. Each of you just declare the other a moron who can't see reason and move on. -.-
They seem to have forgotten a lot of things. Including the Gal-R entirely. Model appearance and stats.
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I'd really like to see a built in weapon like the proton cannons on the new science destroyers, making the gal X the first ship to break the 8 weapon barrier.
Phaser lance beam cannon/heavy beam cannon: 45 degree arc, dual/dual heavy dps, but fires beams. Works with all beam/cannon abilities.
This could be quite potent, but I don't think it would be horribly OP because of the limited arc on such a poor turning ship and with such limited tactical abilities.
Though I think that would be highly unlikely to happen because the devs don't want to put a whole bunch of work into this, so:
Just reduce the cool on the lance to 90 seconds... or better yet, less, 60 seconds or 30 seconds, something that can be used more regularly. And make it reasonably accurate.
I'd also like to see the dread get more uni. The voth dread cruiser has a lt.com and ensign uni, the scimitar dread has a lt.com and ensign uni, the jem-dread at least has a lt.com uni, I think giving the fed dread just a ensign uni is a little... meh. I know they don't want to step on the ody's toes, so maybe the tac ensign and lt. sci could both be universal, that way it preserve's the gal-x's heavy engineering heritage while allowing the ship to switch up the tac and sci a bit.
Between the galaxy and the gal-x it was definitely the galaxy that needed the universal ensign in the current skill system. So lets go ahead and give the galaxy a uni ensign since that is probably the biggest *little* thing they could do to make people worlds happier with that ship. Plus, if we give the dread the uni ensign AND uni lt. then the uni ensign on the galaxy won't be stepping on the dread's toes too much, plus they share a lineage anyway, so yeah.
This is the wrong forum for this thread. There's an art subforum. Also the Galaxy model was CapnLogan's pet project. So you'd have more luck tracking him down and asking those questions than you would discussing it with current artists who are working on other art projects and have moved beyond the Galaxy. I guess what I'm trying to say is follow the advice of a sage poster in a different thread and stop complaining here, and complain where it would actually be possible to get some kind of redact.
Also the Galaxy model was CapnLogan's pet project. So you'd have more luck tracking him down and asking those questions than you would discussing it with current artists who are working on other art projects and have moved beyond the Galaxy. I guess what I'm trying to say is follow the advice of a sage poster in a different thread and stop complaining here, and complain where it would actually be possible to get some kind of redact.
Again, see above.
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Already have a thread there, which didn't gain any attention from the Devs. Since a low number of forum users go there, it gains little attention.
You really misunderstand how the forums work then.
It's been stated by Stormshade dozens of times back when community rep was his job. And was reiterated more than once by Bran when it was his job.
The sub forums are in place for the ease and use of the dev team and the community reps. That's why mods end up having to move so many threads to different forums.
What the Cryptic folks do is they observe the feedback in the proper sub forum. So if things aren't in their proper sub forum, SURE, the players might notice it more. The right people though, the devs, miss it.
Which is why for art issues, hashing out some thread in this forum might be great for you and some other guy who wants to talk about Ten Forward window placement. But JamJamz is probably not going to see it, unless it gets moved by a mod or you get real lucky and Smirk sees it and puts it on his list of feedback to give.
Which is why countless times every Community Rep has said that while the devs may not respond to feedback, they are looking at it. Which means if you really want the Galaxy model looked at ... you're doing it wrong.
That thread you feel wasn't getting attention ... is the thread that is getting the actual attention by the right people.
You really misunderstand how the forums work then.
It's been stated by Stormshade dozens of times back when community rep was his job. And was reiterated more than once by Bran when it was his job.
The sub forums are in place for the ease and use of the dev team and the community reps. That's why mods end up having to move so many threads to different forums.
What the Cryptic folks do is they observe the feedback in the proper sub forum. So if things aren't in their proper sub forum, SURE, the players might notice it more. The right people though, the devs, miss it.
Which is why for art issues, hashing out some thread in this forum might be great for you and some other guy who wants to talk about Ten Forward window placement. But JamJamz is probably not going to see it, unless it gets moved by a mod or you get real lucky and Smirk sees it and puts it on his list of feedback to give.
Which is why countless times every Community Rep has said that while the devs may not respond to feedback, they are looking at it. Which means if you really want the Galaxy model looked at ... you're doing it wrong.
That thread you feel wasn't getting attention ... is the thread that is getting the actual attention by the right people.
I'm not afraid to admit I don't really understand how forums operate. (I'm still puzzled by the ban on petitions, 31+ day necros and posting GM support tickets publicly, amongst other things.)
Regardless, the old thread in the art forum obviously didn't get its point across, since the screenshots released last week don't depict any changes. It's probable the Gal-X lance is still off-centered, etc.
If a forum moderator wants to move this thread over to the Art subforum, I have no issue with that. In the meantime, this thread will continue to bring awareness to the STO Galaxy-class model issues.
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I just spoke to Admiral Quinn on Space Dock. And he told me that the Prez of the Federation has dubbed tomorrow Taco night. AND ... AND ... get this ... the Olympic class vessel my new alt is flying, is actually the Federation Flagship from now on.
And the alt's not even an Admiral yet! But Quinn told me. He said "Captain, I like the cut of your jib. And Shon is spending too much time on the bridge of Voth ships with that Worf fellow. So you're getting promoted."
Bam.
He also said that Alternate Riker is sharing a prison cell with Tom Riker due to some sort of orion slave girl/changeling fiasco, so that the Galaxy X has been purposely stripped of any chance to become a "flagship" by Starfleet. He says it was either that or they charge the alternate admiral with treason. Since the Prime Riker was busy off exploring the galaxy in the Titan, it sort of passed with no objections!
If a forum moderator wants to move this thread over to the Art subforum, I have no issue with that. In the meantime, this thread will continue to bring awareness to the STO Galaxy-class model issues.[/QUOTE]
And if you have not noticed, their answer to the 560+ page thread about the problems with the galaxy was to fix the saucer separation and nothing else. They do not care about these forums or anything anyone says. You can complain all you want it will do you no good.
Since this can be considered a current issue being discussed in the latest blogs, about a revamp to the Galaxy that is an upcoming patch and upcoming C-Store bundle offer there can't possibly be any problem with discussing it here.
I for one think it would be unacceptable that they don't finally fix the off center components on these models if they are looking at them anyway, especially since this will likely be the last chance to get these problems looked at.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
I just spoke to Admiral Quinn on Space Dock. And he told me that the Prez of the Federation has dubbed tomorrow Taco night. AND ... AND ... get this ... the Olympic class vessel my new alt is flying, is actually the Federation Flagship from now on.
And the alt's not even an Admiral yet! But Quinn told me. He said "Captain, I like the cut of your jib. And Shon is spending too much time on the bridge of Voth ships with that Worf fellow. So you're getting promoted."
Bam.
He also said that Alternate Riker is sharing a prison cell with Tom Riker due to some sort of orion slave girl/changeling fiasco, so that the Galaxy X has been purposely stripped of any chance to become a "flagship" by Starfleet. He says it was either that or they charge the alternate admiral with treason. Since the Prime Riker was busy off exploring the galaxy in the Titan, it sort of passed with no objections!
#icanrptoo
Pictures or we won't believe it...
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
There are no plans to change Galaxy Class models at this point. But stay tuned for our next lockbox ship...
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Which is why countless times every Community Rep has said that while the devs may not respond to feedback, they are looking at it.
Oh really...then how come this Galaxy revamp is so badly designed......there is a very large thread with how to make it better in it. None of that appears to have been taken on by the devs.
Cryptic really need to learn how to actually read forum posts, instead of just looking at them and saying, oh look forum posts.
Riker almost beat Picard with an old broken down Constellation class ship if the Ferengi didn't interfere. Imagine if he had a real starship and Troi is not at the helm!
Wasn't he "cheating" with whesley's science fair project though? tisk tisk. Plus we all know whesley is a mystical magical "traveler" or something, having him aboard automatically means victory doesn't count.
due to the lack of a lt comm or commander tactical station i fear this is going to be a huge revenue loss for cryptic,most of my friends and fleet say they are not buying one due to this overlooking of new tac stations,the only reason i never bought one in the first place was because of this reason,at 2000zen cryptic are going to miss the cash cow on this one i bet,i just hope the final version gets this station,me and my fleeties would buy it straight away.:mad:
You have a typo in your title. It's called the Galaxy Reboot.
And really it'll be just fine. It's just a repackaging of the ships so that new players can get all of them in one shot. And get a set bonus if they desire. It's just a small change in the packaging, with a few minor tweaks to tie the ships together.
And I'm sure peeps will dig their hangar pets once it goes live.
In my fleet is the same, most of us are Star Trek fans and love this ships, but no one is going to buy it due to the fact that it is the same bad ship with hangar bay.
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He got promoted. Smirk is now doing Bran's old job.
Well yeah. Apparently the Galaxy X is the flagship of the Federation. And the most iconic ship in all of Star Trek or something like that. In 45 brief shining seconds of on-screen glory an alternate timeline Admiral Riker eclipsed everything Sir Patrick Stewart ever brought to the series.
Because ... phaser lance!
Thanks, but unless I'm mistaken nobody ever said this had happened to the Galaxy class:
http://i.imgur.com/6CYz7.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urcO5OzKwPo
so application of the term was clearly not in that sense.;)
Galaxy X is not the flagship of the federation that was an alternate timeline from one episode, no one cares about the Galaxy X its an ugly ship. Galaxy pwns the Galaxy X.
Personally i like the design of the Galaxy-X and loath the Galaxy design. To each their own huh.
Either way in "All good things" it was the personal vessel of Admiral Riker which by definition makes it a flagship.
But going back to the discussions, the hangar upgrade to the X is nice but not really necessary.
The galaxy X lools like it was designed for combat and the lack of tactic boff slots is what bothers most. The obvious solution would be to replace the LCom Engineering with LCom Tac.
Not a flagship in this universe, the timeline was alter so that event never happened, its like taking the star trek movies and putting it into this game which does not happen. Enterprise D galaxy class was never turned into the Enterprise D Galaxy X class. Galaxy > Galaxy X.
The saucer separation function is being updated on the standard Galaxy.
As for the thread topic.....
The changes to the dreadnought cruiser have mixed appeal to me.
The good:
1. The hangar could be useful.
2. Universal station.
3. The two-piece bonuses, while not something to write home about, are helpful.
4. Even though I don't agree with the idea of saucer separation on the dreadnought cruiser, it's there for people who want it.
5. The phaser lance's widebeam function is an interesting idea.
The bad:
1. The lance's accuracy issues don't seem to have been addressed. At least, on the C-Store variant.
2. Cloaking for the dreadnought cruiser should have been an innate ability, rather than continuing to be a console function.
3. The universal station, while possibly helpful at ensign level, should have been set at lieutenant commander level. The ensign universal would have been a big help for the Galaxy "R", however.
Here's hoping that the Fleet version's tenth console will be tactical. But I won't hold my breath.
Fine, but where in the game does it say the player can't consider any of their own ships a flagship?
@ anything nataku302 says:
k.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
They are correct that a flagship has two meanings, "THE" flag ship, the enterprise, and "A" flagship, the commander of a fleet or a ship an admiral is using as their command ship.
Please quit arguing over this, the other person already said they are an RP'er, they are leaning in to starfleet having an admiral in command of every ship and thus every ship in the game is a flagship, and thus their starship of choice as an admiral is a "flagship." Especially if cryptic ever gives us command of our own little mini fleets by putting our boffs in command of other ships. But regardless of all of this, whether or not the dread is "a flagship" is not relevant to this thread, nor should it matter to you or to them whether the other agrees. Each of you just declare the other a moron who can't see reason and move on. -.-
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I'd really like to see a built in weapon like the proton cannons on the new science destroyers, making the gal X the first ship to break the 8 weapon barrier.
Phaser lance beam cannon/heavy beam cannon: 45 degree arc, dual/dual heavy dps, but fires beams. Works with all beam/cannon abilities.
This could be quite potent, but I don't think it would be horribly OP because of the limited arc on such a poor turning ship and with such limited tactical abilities.
Though I think that would be highly unlikely to happen because the devs don't want to put a whole bunch of work into this, so:
Just reduce the cool on the lance to 90 seconds... or better yet, less, 60 seconds or 30 seconds, something that can be used more regularly. And make it reasonably accurate.
I'd also like to see the dread get more uni. The voth dread cruiser has a lt.com and ensign uni, the scimitar dread has a lt.com and ensign uni, the jem-dread at least has a lt.com uni, I think giving the fed dread just a ensign uni is a little... meh. I know they don't want to step on the ody's toes, so maybe the tac ensign and lt. sci could both be universal, that way it preserve's the gal-x's heavy engineering heritage while allowing the ship to switch up the tac and sci a bit.
Between the galaxy and the gal-x it was definitely the galaxy that needed the universal ensign in the current skill system. So lets go ahead and give the galaxy a uni ensign since that is probably the biggest *little* thing they could do to make people worlds happier with that ship. Plus, if we give the dread the uni ensign AND uni lt. then the uni ensign on the galaxy won't be stepping on the dread's toes too much, plus they share a lineage anyway, so yeah.
Already have a thread there, which didn't gain any attention from the Devs. Since a low number of forum users go there, it gains little attention.
Again, see above.
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You really misunderstand how the forums work then.
It's been stated by Stormshade dozens of times back when community rep was his job. And was reiterated more than once by Bran when it was his job.
The sub forums are in place for the ease and use of the dev team and the community reps. That's why mods end up having to move so many threads to different forums.
What the Cryptic folks do is they observe the feedback in the proper sub forum. So if things aren't in their proper sub forum, SURE, the players might notice it more. The right people though, the devs, miss it.
Which is why for art issues, hashing out some thread in this forum might be great for you and some other guy who wants to talk about Ten Forward window placement. But JamJamz is probably not going to see it, unless it gets moved by a mod or you get real lucky and Smirk sees it and puts it on his list of feedback to give.
Which is why countless times every Community Rep has said that while the devs may not respond to feedback, they are looking at it. Which means if you really want the Galaxy model looked at ... you're doing it wrong.
That thread you feel wasn't getting attention ... is the thread that is getting the actual attention by the right people.
I'm not afraid to admit I don't really understand how forums operate. (I'm still puzzled by the ban on petitions, 31+ day necros and posting GM support tickets publicly, amongst other things.)
Regardless, the old thread in the art forum obviously didn't get its point across, since the screenshots released last week don't depict any changes. It's probable the Gal-X lance is still off-centered, etc.
If a forum moderator wants to move this thread over to the Art subforum, I have no issue with that. In the meantime, this thread will continue to bring awareness to the STO Galaxy-class model issues.
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I just spoke to Admiral Quinn on Space Dock. And he told me that the Prez of the Federation has dubbed tomorrow Taco night. AND ... AND ... get this ... the Olympic class vessel my new alt is flying, is actually the Federation Flagship from now on.
And the alt's not even an Admiral yet! But Quinn told me. He said "Captain, I like the cut of your jib. And Shon is spending too much time on the bridge of Voth ships with that Worf fellow. So you're getting promoted."
Bam.
He also said that Alternate Riker is sharing a prison cell with Tom Riker due to some sort of orion slave girl/changeling fiasco, so that the Galaxy X has been purposely stripped of any chance to become a "flagship" by Starfleet. He says it was either that or they charge the alternate admiral with treason. Since the Prime Riker was busy off exploring the galaxy in the Titan, it sort of passed with no objections!
#icanrptoo
If a forum moderator wants to move this thread over to the Art subforum, I have no issue with that. In the meantime, this thread will continue to bring awareness to the STO Galaxy-class model issues.[/QUOTE]
And if you have not noticed, their answer to the 560+ page thread about the problems with the galaxy was to fix the saucer separation and nothing else. They do not care about these forums or anything anyone says. You can complain all you want it will do you no good.
I for one think it would be unacceptable that they don't finally fix the off center components on these models if they are looking at them anyway, especially since this will likely be the last chance to get these problems looked at.
Pictures or we won't believe it...
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Oh really...then how come this Galaxy revamp is so badly designed......there is a very large thread with how to make it better in it. None of that appears to have been taken on by the devs.
Cryptic really need to learn how to actually read forum posts, instead of just looking at them and saying, oh look forum posts.
Wasn't he "cheating" with whesley's science fair project though? tisk tisk. Plus we all know whesley is a mystical magical "traveler" or something, having him aboard automatically means victory doesn't count.
And really it'll be just fine. It's just a repackaging of the ships so that new players can get all of them in one shot. And get a set bonus if they desire. It's just a small change in the packaging, with a few minor tweaks to tie the ships together.
And I'm sure peeps will dig their hangar pets once it goes live.
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