Well, possible that they were expecting everyone to be excited about it. Whereas in reality, many of us don't see anything worth getting excited about. And I, personally, am actually downright disappointed.
I was excited by this! I was even thinking on buying Zen for first time in months with the 15% bonus so I could buy the ship but then I reed the info and got TRIBBLE it.
I am the fleet leader of the biggest Spanish Fleet of the STO, I am in charge of translating the news that are reed for a lot of Spanish players that in and outside my fleet. And when I translated the news, the first thing I put was a warning to the Star Trek fans to not get their hopes high. At least, I try to save some of them the disappointing, but I coudnt, all of them are disappointed once again by this Cryptic Trolling act.
so then it seems only the dreadnought is getting updated and not the RETROFIT
really if any ship needed the uni ensign it was the retorfit not the dread the dreads ens slot is still going to be used for tac and maybe sci but on for a situational team PvP build... maybe
give the retro the uni boff slot and the hanger as well. the base galaxy actually has more shuttle bay room then the x as the x's third nacelle blocks the original shuttle bay 2 and 3 and a new one was added at the base of the pylon that is smaller then the old shuttle bay 3 (the smallest of the 2 secondary shuttle bays)
"To this day, these remain some of the most popular ships is STO undoubtedly due to their iconic stature."
Only if you are admitting that this game is simply Star Trek The Kiddie Generation Online. Fortunately for me, I stopped giving Cryptic money and will not give any more money until they stop wallowing around in ancient Picard history.
It's reasonable to assume they have hard numbers on the active amount of each ship type.
Unfortunately, it is posts like yours that the devs seem to pay the most attention to when it comes to things like this.
Now, I had stayed completely away from this Galaxy bombshell, but well, I want to interject now.
When people say comments like "The ships isn't bad, you just don't know how to fly it", generally I would agree. However, you are wrong in this case. The Gal and the Gal-X just simply don't fill any needed role, and anything you can creatively come up with to make it decent at anything, can easily be done by getting a different ship.
Want to use cannons effectively on a Gal-X? Well, you could load up on cannon doffs and only have RF1/SV1. Its very expensive, and you use up your doff slots. Then you need to buff your turn rate. Well, you could load up with RCS consoles,/Fleet RCS consoles and get some kind of measurable turn rate.
That is a buttload of dilithium, EC, and time.
Or just get an Avenger. Cheaper, more effective, and can do everything you are trying to do in the Gal-X, only a lot better.
Want to tank? Oddy is easily an equal, if not superior tank to both the Gal-X as well as the Gal-R, and it has a bit more teeth.
Science focused? Well, you could take that En. Universal and make it a sci, losing tac team, but I suppose you could get doffs for tac team AND cannons just to get 1 more en. science ability. Again, a lot of time and money.
Or get an Ambassador.
I initially looked at the C when they introduced it, and I thought it was garbage for the role I was filling, but I clearly could see the role that it was filling, and it did quite well. A Sci focused cruiser, and honestly, I didn't ever hear much complaining about that ship.
Then there are those that say they like a challenge. That is fine, and thank you for proving the point that the Galaxy ships have been a pile of TRIBBLE and will continue to be. I also like a challenge. I don't ask that everyone else suffer because of it though. I'll take a mirror ship, or standard gear, or a shuttle when I want a challenge. Not tell everyone to not buff this ship because I like the challenge of it.
So I see my favorite Trek ship in the ship store, having never bought it. Fix a bug issue, make a cosmetic change (which is the only way I can think to classify the universal En. change) and offer the the chance to replace 2 fleet RCS consoles that give me armor and hull HP, for 2 consoles that give less turn and less hull HP, AND I have to pay $40 for it?
Uhm....thanks?
Yeah, I still won't be buying it.
I agree with this.
My problem is that I already have all these ships
I just can't help but wonder why Cryptic went in the direction that they did with these lateral move improvements to the Galaxy class
In a sense all they did was add a hanger and saucer sep to the X and create a useless 2 piece set bonus that is no way worth the console slot investment.
Does anyone remember the Mirror Galaxy X that was the old boss ship that could be found in the red portals around DS9?
The Mirror X used skills like Torpedo Spread 3 with Gravity Well 3 and Engineering Team 3 while it was fighting you and it was a pure beast to deal with.
I'm sorry but I feel that Cryptic cheaped out on the upgrades to the Galaxy class because they knew that they would not make much money off their time investment and that we'd set the forums a blaze if they tried to make us by the same ship twice.
The only way that we are going to see a useful Galaxy X is if we get a Mirror version of it via the Lobi store
Constitution
Excelsior
Ambassador
Galaxy
Sovereign
Odyssey
Each should be and was better than the last. There is no logical reason even given this games class mechanics that the excelsior should be more powerful than the galaxy let alone the ambassador ,it is over one hundred years older in design ( than the galaxy) however the sovereign should be better than the galaxy. The Odyssey has XX and X uni station , Sovereign has XX uni ,Galaxy none , Ambassador has XX , Excelsior has none . Weird progression. Hindsight is always 20/20 I realize these ships didn't come out in this order in this game however if this is truly going to be a reboot as the devs said then IMHO the galaxy should at least get an ensign Uni if not Lt. Uni . All that being said I love the dyson ship gimmick being applied to the galaxy class' because that is what they do. I also agree that the saucer should become a frigate pet when separated the hangar is strange to me to be put on this ship but welcome. Since the Galaxy x was refitted in the future why shouldn't it be as op as the scimitar since the normal galaxy has 4 forward weapons and the galX clearly received cannons on top of the saucer as well as the lance why shouldn't it have 5 forward weapons and 4 aft only 4 tac con .I just don't understand why they didn't come out with a NORMAL 3 pack scrap the old ships and make the dread the tac version / skin . This is an " IMPROVEMENT " on the GalaxyX NOT a "REBOOT" on the galaxy class ships as advertised and I don't see how this false advertising shows that the dev team has "matured" as stated in the blog . Unfortunately I am a ship collector and have already bought all of these ships including the bridge pack lol so it doesn't effect whether or not I will buy these. If they truly did reboot these ships and improved them I would buy them again if I had to . That is what I don't get WHY if sales is the important thing here for PWE and Cryptic then WHY don't they do right by these ships and the players it would sell a thousand times more than the new dyson ships ( which I also bought lol) and I even dare say better than the scimitar .
Keep the Galaxy-R as is, but make the ensign station universal and maybe raise the turn rate one point.
But completely change the Saucer Seperation mode.
When separated, the whole ships turns into a Destroyer/Cruiser hybrid.
It doesn't need cannons, but a comparable turn rate to other destroyers.
Give it a phaser beam point defense console that is compatible with the anti matter spread (which is triggered on the saucer though if used) for a set benefit. The console beams are short low damage bursts that fire on anything with 5km distance and have extra damage against small craft and torpedos with high accuracy.
Separated the boff layout changes the LC Engineer to a LC Tac.
Separated the 4th engineering console becomes inert and a 3rd tac console is activated. (Ship is operated from a different bridge dedicated to battle after all in separation mode)
The cruiser commands get reduced to Weapon and speed buff, only the whole ship has all 4 available.
Give the ship skin an overhaul to give the ship the same or better viisual quality as the Ambassador.
If possible, give the saucer carrier commands and let it operate as a single unique frigate pet, no hangar bay for regular pets.
Make this version of the ship a C-Store only purchase and keep the current VA one for free for the vets if you have to.
I know I would finally pay money for it and you had a true hero ship that is worthy of the Name Enterprise.
How does that sound, guys?
Now that is brilliant.
We have the technology now, with the Dyson Science ships. It makes perfect sense.
Now all we have to do is make the Phaser Lance more accurate. I don't know if that's a spec issue or not, but for all of the time one has to wait on a recharge, it had better actually work when you need it.
Putting my two cents here after about a day of calming down and looking over everyone's rants comments.
Frankly, I find the adjustments a warm welcome. I got a Fleet Gal-R but never got the others. I never cared for DPS numbers and the like. I'm the guy who likes a challenge, no matter how one-sided it is. I mean, I barely even reach 4K DPS with my Mirror Heavy and MVAE, so there's a challenge right there. 'Sides, I love drawing aggro with it, especially in SB Defense.
As for the Gal-X redesigns, here's the problem: it's not the BOFF layout, it's our perception. One of the arguments I've seen as to why it should have a better BOFF layout is that it's a "Warship". It's appearance in "All Good Things..." suggest that it's less "Warship" and more "Ace Custom". There's a game called "Birth of the Federation" that classifies the X as a "heavy cruiser", which is more in line with that. Y'know what that game considers a Dreadnought? The Sovereign. That's right, the Enterprise-E. Our "Assault Cruiser".
Frankly, I don't want a Federation Scimitar. I want a ship I can enjoy and I've been hemming and hawwing about the Galaxys for ages. And I think this is my time.
Well that game was wrong. A dreadnaught is the ship in the fleet with the heaviest guns. There is no gun on a Starfleet vessel that is more powerful than the Phaser Spinal Lance. It also is capable of having the heaviest armor. The Galaxy-X is also classified as a dreadnaught in this game so your argument....is irrelevant.
And if I were to use your argument you've yet to explain why the newer retrofitted Galaxy class has an inferior tactical ability to a retrofitted ship twice its age. The Excelsior Retrofit has a Lcdr tac boff seat. A ship launched in 2286, 123 years old, based on the Lakota upgrade in 2372, 37 years ago. As compared to the Galaxy-X, a ship that is upgraded from the Galaxy class launched in 2357 and upgraded only ten years ago.
That does not bear out. I'm not even saying that the Sovereign shouldn't be comparable to the Galaxy-X, I'm saying the Galaxy-X needs to be able to stand on the same line with the other C-store upgrade cruisers.
I am Klingon ... I think this ship needs a LTCMDR universal boff slot.
Hanger? ... ::: shrugs
A warship right now this one is not.
The Dominion Dreadnought carrier could blow it out of the stars before that lance could even land its first shot.
A universal Lcdr slot would actually be a nice touch. That way someone could play it sci strong as well. A nice gravity well before the phaser lance. It opens the appeal.
The Galaxy class was originally supposed to be able to do everything. Strongest shields, heaviest weapons, highest speed, largest capacity, most variable spaces for science laboratory configurations, best sensors. It was the jack of all trades.
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It's always boggled my mind why the Galaxy is treated so in STO. It's probably /the/ most iconic Enterprise next to the original and it was a very formidable ship and yet it lags behind even vessels that it shouldn't as far as STO is concerned. It's like Cryptic isn't sure what to do with it do to it being 'just a cruiser' or something like that.
And if I were to use your argument you've yet to explain why the newer retrofitted Galaxy class has an inferior tactical ability to a retrofitted ship twice its age. The Excelsior Retrofit has a Lcdr tac boff seat. A ship launched in 2286, 123 years old, based on the Lakota upgrade in 2372, 37 years ago. As compared to the Galaxy-X, a ship that is upgraded from the Galaxy class launched in 2357 and upgraded only ten years ago.
Is simple, Geko once said that he loves the Excelsior.. so there is the explanation on why the Excelsior is far superior than the Galaxy or in balance (or even superior) with the Sovereign. If the balance of a game is run by the love of the developers in one particular ship, well.. you cant expect much balance.
It's always boggled my mind why the Galaxy is treated so in STO. It's probably /the/ most iconic Enterprise next to the original and it was a very formidable ship and yet it lags behind even vessels that it shouldn't as far as STO is concerned. It's like Cryptic isn't sure what to do with it do to it being 'just a cruiser' or something like that.
Also simple. Because if an iconic ship like the E-D is in balance with the rest of the ships, the trek fans would nave change it so they dont sell their new and horrible ships.
I guess there is still hope for a decent Fleet Gal-X: Commander Tac, 5th forward weapon, 5 tac consoles, a passive +10% crith. But heck, even then it's still inferior to a battle cloaking, drone ship launching, Scimitar. :rolleyes:
I still don't know why people are assuming the Fleet Gal-X will have anything more than a +10% hull and an extra Console slot.
You're just a machine. And machines can be broken.
Does anyone remember the Mirror Galaxy X that was the old boss ship that could be found in the red portals around DS9?
The Mirror X used skills like Torpedo Spread 3 with Gravity Well 3 and Engineering Team 3 while it was fighting you and it was a pure beast to deal with.
Or better yet , the Mirror Galaxy from the Mirror incursion mission ...
I'm sorry but I feel that Cryptic cheaped out on the upgrades to the Galaxy class because they knew that they would not make much money off their time investment
My opinion is different here .
I think that they thought that if they make the Galaxy's a force to be reckoned with , they would not be able to pry a significant segment of their player base out of those ships with a crowbar .
And that represents a major problem for them 'cause they need that large segment of us to buy their latest shiny stupid on a monthly basis .
I still don't know why people are assuming the Fleet Gal-X will have anything more than a +10% hull and an extra Console slot.
Because it's a way for them to pull an extra $5 from people who bought it two years ago, and get new sales from a stagnant design that they just spent money to update. If you make the top rung of a ladder the one worth getting to, people will climb it even if the others on the way up are covered in dung.
I mostly play KDF because my fave Fed ship (Galaxy) was kind of ineffective over time.
I got the Galaxy Dread YEARS ago as my first C-Store ship purchase and loved it. It wasnt because I thought it was an "I WIN" ship . . . it was simply because I loved it from the TNG Ep "All Good Things . . . ".
I stopped using it for many of the reasons people have been vocal about it this thread. I'd like to point out that it's nice that its at least being looked at with a few improvements, however I would like to add that:
A) I agree - a LtCmdr Tac station would put it ON PAR with whats out there.
and
TOTALLY UNCOOL that we who have waited so long to make use of this ship and who have been loyal to the game and early purchases of the Galaxy/Varients have been penalized by not being able to buy the new bundle.
*Cryptic/PWE/Whoever* How could you not have known or had the foresight to see that the people who first brought this issue to light (being VERY vocal about it too) would be the same customers who would be penalized from buying the 3 pack? How could a company NOT see that as a little upsetting?
PS - *off topic I know but . . . * anyone know when we're getting that magic Raider Flank bonus as my B'Rel is what I'm going to continue to use until these items are addressed?
I cannot believe that this "Changed the Ensign Tac to an Ensign Universal" thing didn't happen on the Gal-R. Seriously, that Ensign Engineer needs to be either a tac or a Universal. Just that simple change would put that thing miles ahead of where its at.
Agreed. But the Dev's hate the Galaxy and just don't care. These 'revisions' are just lip-service.
More likely, the GalR is a $20 ship and they don't want to make it competitive withe $25 ones. I would have been shocked if the ship had gotten a change in effectiveness given the price point. It's also the reason I am holding out hope for the GalX getting better Boff slotting on the Fleet version; at $30 it should be the carrot that makes you want the others.
In light of not being able to purchase the bundle without penalty because I was a loyal customer thats been with the game for years and bought the Galaxy Dread early . . .
I think it would be reasonable if:
A) My version of the Type 8 shuttle pets were of purple quality
I just feel really, really disappointed at the moment. All the teases on Twitter made me think that something big was on the way... maybe even the fabled "Galaxy Bundle" we'd been dreaming of for years. At first I squeeed when I saw the blog and thought "FINALLY! Cryptic listened to the fans!". How wrong I was, just feel crushed now.
They put the ensign universal on the Galaxy-X, which is more than comical it feels like a slap round the face for everyone who prayed for the very same BOFF change to the Galaxy-R. They add the sacuer seperation for the X, which is fair enough I guess. I was kind of against it since it's not canon (the lance uses the power from the third nacelle IIRC) and a hanger pet (FOTM "fix").
One of the things that's really bugging me is that there isn't any hint that they've given the ship model a pass over, so the lance is STILL going to be miss-aligned after all these years and they're asking a few thousand Zen for the pleasure. All the constructive feedback, all the effort put in by the fans of this ship who like me probably grew up watching it when TNG was on the air.
My will to spend a penny on this game has just blown away in the breeze, guess I won't be getting that Fleet Nova or Fleet Galaxy-R now...
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No, gal =/= scimitar. The gal seem to be more of a multimission ship.
The avenger is your scimitar. It is nearly an exact match of the mogh, and both of those traded dps for durability giving the scimitar the edge in damage dealing.
Not saying feds (and kdf as well) should not eventually have a 1 bay dps gunship, but the gal isnt it, and given the older layout, can't see why that would have been expected.
Reyan I know it looks fantastic, I'm just a little put off having to pay for 4 fleet modules despite already paying for the Rhode Island refit. If it was two I'd be more willing but 4 is really off-putting.
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If Cryptic were to do a complete overhaul of the Galaxy X (for real) and use some of the suggestions that many of us offered, would you guys be willing to buy the ship all over again?
Let's say that the new Galaxy X still has the Hangar, and Saucer Sep and Phaser Lance and Cloak but also came loaded with a new hybrid Phaser\ Plasma beam Array that you could get more of in higher marks and quality and in via the Dilithium store and with the following boff seating:
Standard Console upgrades: 4 Engineering, 3 Tactical, 2 Science
The thought process behind the Hybrid Phaser\Plasma weapons is that in the alternate reality that the X comes from the Romulan Star empire was handed its collective green backsides by the Klingon Empire and it stands to reason that Romulans would have been trying to work with the Federation to deal with the Klingons.
I fear that the only way we'll ever see a true Dreadnought class Galaxy X is if we pay for it again via the Zen Store becaue it can't go to the Lobi store being Fed only and it can't be lock boxed being fed only.
If Cryptic were to do a complete overhaul of the Galaxy X (for real) and use some of the suggestions that many of us offered, would you guys be willing to buy the ship all over again?
If they fix the ship to make it usable, I will buy the hole pack and the fleet version of both ships and not even complain.
If Cryptic were to do a complete overhaul of the Galaxy X (for real) and use some of the suggestions that many of us offered, would you guys be willing to buy the ship all over again?
In an instant. 5000 zen in their pockets for a real Galaxy/Galaxy X from me.
I wouldnt mind even if they called it mirror universe dread and sold it for 800 lobi as long as it got the right stats and access to the usual galx/venture parts if owned.
The Fleet Nova is pure awesome and I can't recommend it enough. Possibly the only thing that keeps me from not logging in these days.
I can attest that the Nova has been a huge player in the STB channel. I feel that I never have to bring out my MVAE for CC as Reyan has it.
I wonder with all the reaction to the Gal R/X if the devs have been watching.
It seems that there is a common theme with all the reactions so I hope that the dev team is watching/reading and paying attention.
I bought the Galaxy X knowing well of it's shortcoming but to be able to fly it is just for nostalgic reasons. I am hoping the Boff layout on the fleet version offers what I'm looking for if not all is looking for.
Reyan I know it looks fantastic, I'm just a little put off having to pay for 4 fleet modules despite already paying for the Rhode Island refit. If it was two I'd be more willing but 4 is really off-putting.
It's absolutely worth it. Easily my favorite Fed Science ship, next to the Vesta.
If Cryptic were to do a complete overhaul of the Galaxy X (for real) and use some of the suggestions that many of us offered, would you guys be willing to buy the ship all over again?
Not a chance. I've already paid for the ship, I don't expect to be charged again just because. How about they fix the ship up with a decent layout and maybe i'll shell out on something in the future.
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I was excited by this! I was even thinking on buying Zen for first time in months with the 15% bonus so I could buy the ship but then I reed the info and got TRIBBLE it.
I am the fleet leader of the biggest Spanish Fleet of the STO, I am in charge of translating the news that are reed for a lot of Spanish players that in and outside my fleet. And when I translated the news, the first thing I put was a warning to the Star Trek fans to not get their hopes high. At least, I try to save some of them the disappointing, but I coudnt, all of them are disappointed once again by this Cryptic Trolling act.
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really if any ship needed the uni ensign it was the retorfit not the dread the dreads ens slot is still going to be used for tac and maybe sci but on for a situational team PvP build... maybe
give the retro the uni boff slot and the hanger as well. the base galaxy actually has more shuttle bay room then the x as the x's third nacelle blocks the original shuttle bay 2 and 3 and a new one was added at the base of the pylon that is smaller then the old shuttle bay 3 (the smallest of the 2 secondary shuttle bays)
shuttlebay 2 and 3 on the back of the neck
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the galaxy-x shuttle bay 2 at the base of the pylon
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I agree with this.
My problem is that I already have all these ships
I just can't help but wonder why Cryptic went in the direction that they did with these lateral move improvements to the Galaxy class
In a sense all they did was add a hanger and saucer sep to the X and create a useless 2 piece set bonus that is no way worth the console slot investment.
Does anyone remember the Mirror Galaxy X that was the old boss ship that could be found in the red portals around DS9?
The Mirror X used skills like Torpedo Spread 3 with Gravity Well 3 and Engineering Team 3 while it was fighting you and it was a pure beast to deal with.
I'm sorry but I feel that Cryptic cheaped out on the upgrades to the Galaxy class because they knew that they would not make much money off their time investment and that we'd set the forums a blaze if they tried to make us by the same ship twice.
The only way that we are going to see a useful Galaxy X is if we get a Mirror version of it via the Lobi store
Excelsior
Ambassador
Galaxy
Sovereign
Odyssey
Each should be and was better than the last. There is no logical reason even given this games class mechanics that the excelsior should be more powerful than the galaxy let alone the ambassador ,it is over one hundred years older in design ( than the galaxy) however the sovereign should be better than the galaxy. The Odyssey has XX and X uni station , Sovereign has XX uni ,Galaxy none , Ambassador has XX , Excelsior has none . Weird progression. Hindsight is always 20/20 I realize these ships didn't come out in this order in this game however if this is truly going to be a reboot as the devs said then IMHO the galaxy should at least get an ensign Uni if not Lt. Uni . All that being said I love the dyson ship gimmick being applied to the galaxy class' because that is what they do. I also agree that the saucer should become a frigate pet when separated the hangar is strange to me to be put on this ship but welcome. Since the Galaxy x was refitted in the future why shouldn't it be as op as the scimitar since the normal galaxy has 4 forward weapons and the galX clearly received cannons on top of the saucer as well as the lance why shouldn't it have 5 forward weapons and 4 aft only 4 tac con .I just don't understand why they didn't come out with a NORMAL 3 pack scrap the old ships and make the dread the tac version / skin . This is an " IMPROVEMENT " on the GalaxyX NOT a "REBOOT" on the galaxy class ships as advertised and I don't see how this false advertising shows that the dev team has "matured" as stated in the blog . Unfortunately I am a ship collector and have already bought all of these ships including the bridge pack lol so it doesn't effect whether or not I will buy these. If they truly did reboot these ships and improved them I would buy them again if I had to . That is what I don't get WHY if sales is the important thing here for PWE and Cryptic then WHY don't they do right by these ships and the players it would sell a thousand times more than the new dyson ships ( which I also bought lol) and I even dare say better than the scimitar .
We have the technology now, with the Dyson Science ships. It makes perfect sense.
Now all we have to do is make the Phaser Lance more accurate. I don't know if that's a spec issue or not, but for all of the time one has to wait on a recharge, it had better actually work when you need it.
Well that game was wrong. A dreadnaught is the ship in the fleet with the heaviest guns. There is no gun on a Starfleet vessel that is more powerful than the Phaser Spinal Lance. It also is capable of having the heaviest armor. The Galaxy-X is also classified as a dreadnaught in this game so your argument....is irrelevant.
And if I were to use your argument you've yet to explain why the newer retrofitted Galaxy class has an inferior tactical ability to a retrofitted ship twice its age. The Excelsior Retrofit has a Lcdr tac boff seat. A ship launched in 2286, 123 years old, based on the Lakota upgrade in 2372, 37 years ago. As compared to the Galaxy-X, a ship that is upgraded from the Galaxy class launched in 2357 and upgraded only ten years ago.
That does not bear out. I'm not even saying that the Sovereign shouldn't be comparable to the Galaxy-X, I'm saying the Galaxy-X needs to be able to stand on the same line with the other C-store upgrade cruisers.
A universal Lcdr slot would actually be a nice touch. That way someone could play it sci strong as well. A nice gravity well before the phaser lance. It opens the appeal.
The Galaxy class was originally supposed to be able to do everything. Strongest shields, heaviest weapons, highest speed, largest capacity, most variable spaces for science laboratory configurations, best sensors. It was the jack of all trades.
Is simple, Geko once said that he loves the Excelsior.. so there is the explanation on why the Excelsior is far superior than the Galaxy or in balance (or even superior) with the Sovereign. If the balance of a game is run by the love of the developers in one particular ship, well.. you cant expect much balance.
Also simple. Because if an iconic ship like the E-D is in balance with the rest of the ships, the trek fans would nave change it so they dont sell their new and horrible ships.
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Yeah , and if you look around in sector space or in STF's , it's also reasonable to assume that they are lying out of their ... .
I still don't know why people are assuming the Fleet Gal-X will have anything more than a +10% hull and an extra Console slot.
Or better yet , the Mirror Galaxy from the Mirror incursion mission ...
My opinion is different here .
I think that they thought that if they make the Galaxy's a force to be reckoned with , they would not be able to pry a significant segment of their player base out of those ships with a crowbar .
And that represents a major problem for them 'cause they need that large segment of us to buy their latest shiny stupid on a monthly basis .
Because it's a way for them to pull an extra $5 from people who bought it two years ago, and get new sales from a stagnant design that they just spent money to update. If you make the top rung of a ladder the one worth getting to, people will climb it even if the others on the way up are covered in dung.
I got the Galaxy Dread YEARS ago as my first C-Store ship purchase and loved it. It wasnt because I thought it was an "I WIN" ship . . . it was simply because I loved it from the TNG Ep "All Good Things . . . ".
I stopped using it for many of the reasons people have been vocal about it this thread. I'd like to point out that it's nice that its at least being looked at with a few improvements, however I would like to add that:
A) I agree - a LtCmdr Tac station would put it ON PAR with whats out there.
and
*Cryptic/PWE/Whoever* How could you not have known or had the foresight to see that the people who first brought this issue to light (being VERY vocal about it too) would be the same customers who would be penalized from buying the 3 pack? How could a company NOT see that as a little upsetting?
PS - *off topic I know but . . . * anyone know when we're getting that magic Raider Flank bonus as my B'Rel is what I'm going to continue to use until these items are addressed?
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They don't hate it but they probably don't care.
More likely, the GalR is a $20 ship and they don't want to make it competitive withe $25 ones. I would have been shocked if the ship had gotten a change in effectiveness given the price point. It's also the reason I am holding out hope for the GalX getting better Boff slotting on the Fleet version; at $30 it should be the carrot that makes you want the others.
In light of not being able to purchase the bundle without penalty because I was a loyal customer thats been with the game for years and bought the Galaxy Dread early . . .
I think it would be reasonable if:
A) My version of the Type 8 shuttle pets were of purple quality
OR
They put the ensign universal on the Galaxy-X, which is more than comical it feels like a slap round the face for everyone who prayed for the very same BOFF change to the Galaxy-R. They add the sacuer seperation for the X, which is fair enough I guess. I was kind of against it since it's not canon (the lance uses the power from the third nacelle IIRC) and a hanger pet (FOTM "fix").
One of the things that's really bugging me is that there isn't any hint that they've given the ship model a pass over, so the lance is STILL going to be miss-aligned after all these years and they're asking a few thousand Zen for the pleasure. All the constructive feedback, all the effort put in by the fans of this ship who like me probably grew up watching it when TNG was on the air.
My will to spend a penny on this game has just blown away in the breeze, guess I won't be getting that Fleet Nova or Fleet Galaxy-R now...
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The avenger is your scimitar. It is nearly an exact match of the mogh, and both of those traded dps for durability giving the scimitar the edge in damage dealing.
Not saying feds (and kdf as well) should not eventually have a 1 bay dps gunship, but the gal isnt it, and given the older layout, can't see why that would have been expected.
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If Cryptic were to do a complete overhaul of the Galaxy X (for real) and use some of the suggestions that many of us offered, would you guys be willing to buy the ship all over again?
Let's say that the new Galaxy X still has the Hangar, and Saucer Sep and Phaser Lance and Cloak but also came loaded with a new hybrid Phaser\ Plasma beam Array that you could get more of in higher marks and quality and in via the Dilithium store and with the following boff seating:
Commander Engineering, Lt. Commander Tactical, Lt. Engineering, Lt. Science, Ensign Tactical
Standard Console upgrades: 4 Engineering, 3 Tactical, 2 Science
The thought process behind the Hybrid Phaser\Plasma weapons is that in the alternate reality that the X comes from the Romulan Star empire was handed its collective green backsides by the Klingon Empire and it stands to reason that Romulans would have been trying to work with the Federation to deal with the Klingons.
I fear that the only way we'll ever see a true Dreadnought class Galaxy X is if we pay for it again via the Zen Store becaue it can't go to the Lobi store being Fed only and it can't be lock boxed being fed only.
If they fix the ship to make it usable, I will buy the hole pack and the fleet version of both ships and not even complain.
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In an instant. 5000 zen in their pockets for a real Galaxy/Galaxy X from me.
I can attest that the Nova has been a huge player in the STB channel. I feel that I never have to bring out my MVAE for CC as Reyan has it.
I wonder with all the reaction to the Gal R/X if the devs have been watching.
It seems that there is a common theme with all the reactions so I hope that the dev team is watching/reading and paying attention.
I bought the Galaxy X knowing well of it's shortcoming but to be able to fly it is just for nostalgic reasons. I am hoping the Boff layout on the fleet version offers what I'm looking for if not all is looking for.
It's absolutely worth it. Easily my favorite Fed Science ship, next to the Vesta.
Not a chance. I've already paid for the ship, I don't expect to be charged again just because. How about they fix the ship up with a decent layout and maybe i'll shell out on something in the future.