Yes Jupiter should be the Fed Vo'Quv and Typhoon as oddy skin and allows more customization
The Typhoon ans the Odyssey are two different ships made for two different reasons and they don't even look anything alike so making the Typhoon a skin wouldn't make any sense especially considering the Typhoon is it's own class of ship it is NOT a variant of the Odyssey it is a Battleship made for military purposes and the Typhoon was designed and put into service long before the Odyssey what you are proposing makes no sense not to she ship mechanics or even the story line in STO, as the Typhoon wouldn't make any scene being a "skin" for a ship that was put into service after it was created.
Sorry but what you're proposing is not going to happen.
Fact: The Odyssey is superior to the Typhoon in-game. That's hard-coded into the game: the latter is battleship-level (3 pips) while the former is dreadnought-level (4 pips).
Therefore: The Typhoon should be a distinct shiptype from the Odyssey. Not necessarily inferior, but tailoring to a different playstyle.
Really, the Jupiter would make more sense as an Odyssey skin. But they're too different in appearance for that to work.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
The Typhoon ans the Odyssey are two different ships made for two different reasons and they don't even look anything alike so making the Typhoon a skin wouldn't make any sense especially considering the Typhoon is it's own class of ship it is NOT a variant of the Odyssey it is a Battleship made for military purposes and the Typhoon was designed and put into service long before the Odyssey what you are proposing makes no sense not to she ship mechanics or even the story line in STO, as the Typhoon wouldn't make any scene being a "skin" for a ship that was put into service after it was created.
Sorry but what you're proposing is not going to happen.
They are close enough in size to make it happen and the ship will get a facelift when it happens. The ship has been a placeholder ship since day one. so this will give them more customization for oddy and get the Typhoon playable. And there is only so many bridge officer layouts left for them to do.
Fact: The Odyssey is superior to the Typhoon in-game. That's hard-coded into the game: the latter is battleship-level (3 pips) while the former is dreadnought-level (4 pips).
Therefore: The Typhoon should be a distinct shiptype from the Odyssey. Not necessarily inferior, but tailoring to a different playstyle.
Really, the Jupiter would make more sense as an Odyssey skin. But they're too different in appearance for that to work.
The pips refer only to the difficulty of the NPC the Sovereign has a lower NPC rank than the Odyssey so that means it's inferior and should just be discontinued? an Avanger NPC would only be a 3 pip rank ship it doesn't mean it is inferior in fact it outperforms the Odyssey in almost every way and if we are referring to stats then the Odyssey is just obsolete compared to the newer ships that have been released, point being that the NPC rank doesn't reflect how "good" a ship is only it's difficulty I could get a Miranda and make it Dreadnought difficulty it wouldn't mean the Miranda is the Ultimate cruiser.
why, I give reasonable solutions. Remeber this is Cryptic
Fixed it for you.
99.8% in this thread want the Typhoon to be a ship of it's own, NOT a skin model for the Odyssy.
Instead of jerking off everyone in this thread, how about you create your own and see how many people want it to be a skin model. Your exact words were,
I would hate for the Typhoon or Jupiter to be released as playable ships. They were rushed ships. Ships that needed to be quickly put into the fleet so as not to crowd the Fed fleet with the same few ship classes. They were never meant to be added as playable ships due to this fact.
My opinion aside...
What do you find attractive about these two ships, to the point where you want them added in-game. Is it the stats, the way they fight when you see them as NPC's. The fact it is currently unobtainable. The looks?
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I would hate for the Typhoon or Jupiter to be released as playable ships. They were rushed ships. Ships that needed to be quickly put into the fleet so as not to crowd the Fed fleet with the same few ship classes. They were never meant to be added as playable ships due to this fact.
My opinion aside...
What do you find attractive about these two ships, to the point where you want them added in-game. Is it the stats, the way they fight when you see them as NPC's. The fact it is currently unobtainable. The looks?
Lemme address this...
1. Stats are a non-factor, since NPC ship stats do not count.
2. Again, the way they fight as NPCs do not count, the NPC Escorts pack beam arrays, and even have lower weapons slots then player ships.
3. The fact that they are currently unobtainable is a non-factor. There's a large amount of ships that are unobtainable that no-one is clamoring for.
4. The look...yes, the looks do appeal to people, I am one of them that loves the look of the Typhoon. It looks like a Battleship, it looks like it's ready for war, it looks like a ship you might see parked around your planet if the Federation disagrees with your policies. The Jupiter? I actually don't care for how the Jupiter looks. I don't hate it, I'm just not a fan, but it is a big ole chunky ship that is the perfect size for a Federation Carrier.
And now, one of the biggest reasons that people want a Typhoon and Jupiter? They were the first Starfleet Battleship and Dreadnought in STO.
Think about that. When people first saw the Typhoon and Jupiter, they were seeing the FIRST STO Federation craft addressed as a Battleship and Dreadnought.
Think about how ingrained into the American psyche the ship class of Battleship is. Theodore Roosevelt used them for Diplomacy. America used them for ages. The Iowa-class, probably the most famous Battleship class in history, was used from WWII up until the Gulf War, and several of them are kept as museum ships that can still be reactivated for combat duty if needed.
It's like, for someone who watched Top Gun as a kid, the F-14 Tomcat will always be ingrained into their mind as one of the most awesomest-awesome fighter craft in the history of ever, even if it was retired for the F/A-18 Hornet. The F-14 is so awesome, the Veritechs in Macross/Robotech use them as the Fighter mode, complete with Skull Squadron, aka Real Life VF-84 Jolly Roger.
Conversely, someone who never saw Top Gun as a kid, but DID see Iron Eagle, might think the exact same thing of the F-16 Falcon.
If you grew up with BSG instead of Star Trek, you probably want to have a cannon armed flying brick Carrier full of Vipers...which might be why people want the Jupiter to be a Carrier. :P
My opinion aside...
What do you find attractive about these two ships, to the point where you want them added in-game. Is it the stats, the way they fight when you see them as NPC's. The fact it is currently unobtainable. The looks?
Typhoon = awesome, big, just slightly bulky given it an attitude, and the quad nacelles are sick.
Jupiter = monster of a ship, massive, intimidating, pure behemoth, and very logical.
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
I would hate for the Typhoon or Jupiter to be released as playable ships. They were rushed ships. Ships that needed to be quickly put into the fleet so as not to crowd the Fed fleet with the same few ship classes. They were never meant to be added as playable ships due to this fact.
My opinion aside...
What do you find attractive about these two ships, to the point where you want them added in-game. Is it the stats, the way they fight when you see them as NPC's. The fact it is currently unobtainable. The looks?
I like them because, like the Defiant class and it's kin, they are ships that clearly state "we mean business" when they show up (usually with a task force).
They are not elegant. They are not pretty. They are not some shining showcases of Federation technology. They are monster starships built with a singular purpose: "Peace through superior firepower".
When they appear in-system, the bad guys know that the time for talking is over.
I came across this picture of a Jupiter with alternate plyons. Was this made up or has anyone seen this in-game?
I think it's from this thread or a similar one, it was someone talking about how the Jupiter could be improved with some new pylons.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
It has been stated that the ships would be dredeisigned if they were made playable. but known craptic they could make them worse.
Well, if you look at the Scimitar-Redisign, you can see an awesome piece of Cryptic's design work. If the Jupiter and Typhoon models got updated the same way, it would be awesome imo. BTW, you know it's spelled Cryptic, right?
Well, if you look at the Scimitar-Redisign, you can see an awesome piece of Cryptic's design work. If the Jupiter and Typhoon models got updated the same way, it would be awesome imo. BTW, you know it's spelled Cryptic, right?
All the Typhoon needs is grebbles, panels and indents, and hardpoints, and such, also maybe an option for a bridge module.
But it was a totally original joke, and so funny .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I really, really hate to admit it ... but the Typhoon is growing on me. All the models really need is a clean-up and a decent build and they'd be good to go.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
Only thing I'd do to the Typhoon is make it's weapon hardpoints more visible (Not as bad as the Avenger) I'd also do this to the Jupiter, but Big Bertha needs a bit more work than just showing her teeth...
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
Well, if you look at the Scimitar-Redisign, you can see an awesome piece of Cryptic's design work. If the Jupiter and Typhoon models got updated the same way, it would be awesome imo. BTW, you know it's spelled Cryptic, right?
No it's Craptic. The fleet base, Rommie faction, Regent, Avenger, the Galaxy bundle. need I go on?
Post your best idea for a concept? i posted mine a while back, but id like to see more. also, invite your friends to this thread. (a few picts would be nice, i want a cool avatar)
1. It be a frigate carrier. The fed is way overdue for one.
2. It gets a visual overhaul. Right now, its almost at an Avenger level of fugly.
I also support the Typhoon. Though it also needs some sprucing up.
Somewhere way back in the thread is the scimitar comparison for before and after players being able to get it. Most of us think that is all that's needed.
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Yes Jupiter should be the Fed Vo'Quv and Typhoon as oddy skin and allows more customization
The Typhoon ans the Odyssey are two different ships made for two different reasons and they don't even look anything alike so making the Typhoon a skin wouldn't make any sense especially considering the Typhoon is it's own class of ship it is NOT a variant of the Odyssey it is a Battleship made for military purposes and the Typhoon was designed and put into service long before the Odyssey what you are proposing makes no sense not to she ship mechanics or even the story line in STO, as the Typhoon wouldn't make any scene being a "skin" for a ship that was put into service after it was created.
Sorry but what you're proposing is not going to happen.
Fact: The Odyssey is superior to the Typhoon in-game. That's hard-coded into the game: the latter is battleship-level (3 pips) while the former is dreadnought-level (4 pips).
Therefore: The Typhoon should be a distinct shiptype from the Odyssey. Not necessarily inferior, but tailoring to a different playstyle.
Really, the Jupiter would make more sense as an Odyssey skin. But they're too different in appearance for that to work.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
They are close enough in size to make it happen and the ship will get a facelift when it happens. The ship has been a placeholder ship since day one. so this will give them more customization for oddy and get the Typhoon playable. And there is only so many bridge officer layouts left for them to do.
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
The pips refer only to the difficulty of the NPC the Sovereign has a lower NPC rank than the Odyssey so that means it's inferior and should just be discontinued? an Avanger NPC would only be a 3 pip rank ship it doesn't mean it is inferior in fact it outperforms the Odyssey in almost every way and if we are referring to stats then the Odyssey is just obsolete compared to the newer ships that have been released, point being that the NPC rank doesn't reflect how "good" a ship is only it's difficulty I could get a Miranda and make it Dreadnought difficulty it wouldn't mean the Miranda is the Ultimate cruiser.
Good Idea, too bad you can't bad people from threads.
why, I give reasonable solutions. Remeber this is Craptic
Fixed it for you.
99.8% in this thread want the Typhoon to be a ship of it's own, NOT a skin model for the Odyssy.
Instead of jerking off everyone in this thread, how about you create your own and see how many people want it to be a skin model. Your exact words were, This will be the last time I'll quote you on this topic.
See you around.
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
Your argument is invalid...
My opinion aside...
What do you find attractive about these two ships, to the point where you want them added in-game. Is it the stats, the way they fight when you see them as NPC's. The fact it is currently unobtainable. The looks?
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Lemme address this...
1. Stats are a non-factor, since NPC ship stats do not count.
2. Again, the way they fight as NPCs do not count, the NPC Escorts pack beam arrays, and even have lower weapons slots then player ships.
3. The fact that they are currently unobtainable is a non-factor. There's a large amount of ships that are unobtainable that no-one is clamoring for.
4. The look...yes, the looks do appeal to people, I am one of them that loves the look of the Typhoon. It looks like a Battleship, it looks like it's ready for war, it looks like a ship you might see parked around your planet if the Federation disagrees with your policies. The Jupiter? I actually don't care for how the Jupiter looks. I don't hate it, I'm just not a fan, but it is a big ole chunky ship that is the perfect size for a Federation Carrier.
And now, one of the biggest reasons that people want a Typhoon and Jupiter? They were the first Starfleet Battleship and Dreadnought in STO.
Think about that. When people first saw the Typhoon and Jupiter, they were seeing the FIRST STO Federation craft addressed as a Battleship and Dreadnought.
Think about how ingrained into the American psyche the ship class of Battleship is. Theodore Roosevelt used them for Diplomacy. America used them for ages. The Iowa-class, probably the most famous Battleship class in history, was used from WWII up until the Gulf War, and several of them are kept as museum ships that can still be reactivated for combat duty if needed.
It's like, for someone who watched Top Gun as a kid, the F-14 Tomcat will always be ingrained into their mind as one of the most awesomest-awesome fighter craft in the history of ever, even if it was retired for the F/A-18 Hornet. The F-14 is so awesome, the Veritechs in Macross/Robotech use them as the Fighter mode, complete with Skull Squadron, aka Real Life VF-84 Jolly Roger.
Conversely, someone who never saw Top Gun as a kid, but DID see Iron Eagle, might think the exact same thing of the F-16 Falcon.
If you grew up with BSG instead of Star Trek, you probably want to have a cannon armed flying brick Carrier full of Vipers...which might be why people want the Jupiter to be a Carrier. :P
Typhoon = awesome, big, just slightly bulky given it an attitude, and the quad nacelles are sick.
Jupiter = monster of a ship, massive, intimidating, pure behemoth, and very logical.
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
I like them because, like the Defiant class and it's kin, they are ships that clearly state "we mean business" when they show up (usually with a task force).
They are not elegant. They are not pretty. They are not some shining showcases of Federation technology. They are monster starships built with a singular purpose: "Peace through superior firepower".
When they appear in-system, the bad guys know that the time for talking is over.
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
Where did you find that? Looks pretty cool
But if you zoom in a bit, the new pylons seem pretty made up...
I think it's from this thread or a similar one, it was someone talking about how the Jupiter could be improved with some new pylons.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Well, if you look at the Scimitar-Redisign, you can see an awesome piece of Cryptic's design work. If the Jupiter and Typhoon models got updated the same way, it would be awesome imo.
BTW, you know it's spelled Cryptic, right?
All the Typhoon needs is grebbles, panels and indents, and hardpoints, and such, also maybe an option for a bridge module.
But it was a totally original joke, and so funny
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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-Thomas Marrone
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
Generally, Dreadnought-classed ships are Cruisers or Carriers
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Odyssey, Imperial, Tempest, Emissary, and Typhoon. Need I go on?
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
Support the Typhoon and Jupiter class starships!
I think the only think more that can be said is "Typhoon & Jupiter naow plz kthx Cryptic"
1. It be a frigate carrier. The fed is way overdue for one.
2. It gets a visual overhaul. Right now, its almost at an Avenger level of fugly.
I also support the Typhoon. Though it also needs some sprucing up.
Somewhere way back in the thread is the scimitar comparison for before and after players being able to get it. Most of us think that is all that's needed.
Support the Typhoon and Jupiter class starships!