My response may be ridiculously unpopular, but at the end of the day people exploited mirror universe so much I was actually surprised Cryptic didnt give it a CD during the event time.
I knew groups on the KDF side that could do the whole thing in about 90 seconds flat. Do the math, thats about 40 runs in a one hour period of time.
Awful lot of dilithium and XP there, and it was so widespread I knew people that worked morning hours that would get up early just to do it if it was overnight.
Quite possibly the most borked thing there ever was in the game and I am glad it is gone. It was good for leveling characters, sure, but the VA queues were rampant with exploitation.
I agree that the exploitation on the dilithium was a bad idea on Cryptic's part, but the amount of exp needed to be used to fill fleet projects boy did those vast runs come in major handy, now it's gone for awhile making it quite difficult to get the exp needed.
After listening to the Priority One podcast with D'Angelo I think he's going to bring some great things to STO however the lack of Mirror Event and the sparsity of these new weekend events, specifically the bonus marks one, are troubling many players.
I hope to see the Mirror Event return as it was a great incentive for people to keep creating new toons without having to go through an arduous journey each time, don't get me wrong the episodes are great, the first few times, but after the second or third time around most people just want to hit 50 and get on with it.
As for bonus marks I think if it is to stay as a 'weekend event' it should be at least monthly.
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Its a control measure to slow the starbases and insta leveling of characters
I am glad all of my characters are leveled with huge amounts of xp
and our starbase is completed
It really is begining to suck to be a noob in STO tho (
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To play Devil's Advocate, it does make perfect sense for them to remove and re-work it.
Now they've plugged up the source of experience players will need to spend more time in game playing the next best alternatives. More time in game means more potential monies.
When it comes back I expect it to be a mission only available during certain bonus weekends and still pay out decent experience, the downside being of course if you miss it you miss it - and who knows how long until it comes round again.
I think the whole thing with the events and calendar was not one of Cryptics best decisions. Idk why they just couldn't do the Calendar events in addition to the hourly events such as Mirror and Bonus marks. I think the weekend wide events like bonus Dil are great, but not everyone has the ability to play all the time and what if they cannot log into the game that weekend due to real life issues? Then they have to wait another 3 weeks to gain any bonuses? I know ALOT of people that relied on those hourly events to plan around and set their clock by so they could benefit with a limited play schedule.
Just when Cryptic was on a ball, they pull some dumb **** like that.
The biggest issue being experienced right now is filling rep projects with exp. This is a non-issue for those that have established toons with a surplus of exp already, but start a new toon and you will see what I mean. The exclusion of Mirror has crippled this. Having to fill 6.5 projects a day (almsot 50k exp needed) with no additional exp gains are really taxing my new liberated borg toon. This issue will only be exaggerated even more when the projected PvP rep system is released in S9 (unless they adapt the style found in the Dyson rep, +1 to cryptic on that)
Yea, you get exp from missions but the average amount of exp gained per missions is 3500-4000. Meaning you now need to grind for even more hours a day in just to be able to fill projects for a day, as opposed to just running 1-2 Mirrors a week and not worrying about it. I have since completely abandoned the 800xp projects in favor of just running the 2k exp ones just to be able to keep it somewhat manageable. I haven't heard any QQing about this just yet, but wait till more ppl make new toons and/or a new faction is released. MAJOR ranting will be in order.
This is a tweet by Smirk, he was answering someone who asked about the Mirror event.
To play Devil's Advocate, it does make perfect sense for them to remove and re-work it.
Now they've plugged up the source of experience players will need to spend more time in game playing the next best alternatives. More time in game means more potential monies.
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To play Devil's Second Advocate, removing the old-style Mirror invasion means that players will have to spend more time running through Featured Episodes, engaging in what cryptic would have to be the "story" of the game. It's more or less a choice between different styles of presentation (grind-a-thon or plot), and I for one am glad to see cryptic moving away from exploitive MMO mechanics (ie. removing the old-style mirror event which was ONLY a grindy means to an end, and really had no intrinsic entertainment value in itself) in at least one instance.
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My response may be ridiculously unpopular, but at the end of the day people exploited mirror universe so much I was actually surprised Cryptic didnt give it a CD during the event time.
I knew groups on the KDF side that could do the whole thing in about 90 seconds flat. Do the math, thats about 40 runs in a one hour period of time.
Awful lot of dilithium and XP there, and it was so widespread I knew people that worked morning hours that would get up early just to do it if it was overnight.
Quite possibly the most borked thing there ever was in the game and I am glad it is gone. It was good for leveling characters, sure, but the VA queues were rampant with exploitation.
Hardly the most borked thing there ever was in the game. The scenario you describe calls for a premade group knowing what they're doing running an event only up for an hour a day. Even if you walked away with 20000 dil, you can still only refine 8k of it a day. Inversely, if you're talking about farming up tons of dil across multiple alts, there is a better way to farm dil efficiently that can be done solo at your convenience.
My response may be ridiculously unpopular, but at the end of the day people exploited mirror universe so much I was actually surprised Cryptic didnt give it a CD during the event time.
I knew groups on the KDF side that could do the whole thing in about 90 seconds flat. Do the math, thats about 40 runs in a one hour period of time.
Awful lot of dilithium and XP there, and it was so widespread I knew people that worked morning hours that would get up early just to do it if it was overnight.
Quite possibly the most borked thing there ever was in the game and I am glad it is gone. It was good for leveling characters, sure, but the VA queues were rampant with exploitation.
i share this opinion as much as i hope cryptic would of overlooked it. for now i would rather wait for the revamped mirror event before making any decisions on it.
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so far this 50% bonus dilithium weekend is a resounding success for me, I`ve been working on trading in unwanted marks for dilithium, I am estimating by the time I'm done I will have about half a million dil across 3 characters.
when they do the bonus marks weekends I will build up more marks ready for the next dil weekend.
at this rate I will be a dil billionaire in no time
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so far this 50% bonus dilithium weekend is a resounding success for me, I`ve been working on trading in unwanted marks for dilithium, I am estimating by the time I'm done I will have about half a million dil across 3 characters.
when they do the bonus marks weekends I will build up more marks ready for the next dil weekend.
at this rate I will be a dil billionaire in no time
Good for you.
Apart from the rather obvious puffery, what does that have to do with the MU event?
After reading through the posts so far, it seems that those who are happy the mirror event is gone for revamping are so because being able to get a lot of something in a short time is bad and means you don't play STO in its entirety. Those upset about the loss of their expertise/skill point source bring up decent points.
Personally I wouldn't mind seeing a slightly reduced reward if it was brought back as a permanent PVE queue with a cool down. You have to consider all sides though. Was the mirror event exploited? Yes. Was the event designed to reward players with large amounts of exp? Yes. Did everyone exploit the mirror event? No. Do all players participate in the mirror event? No.
I'm all for playing all aspects of the game. I'm all for a challenge. But at what point does it become too much? I do not want to have to spend all my time in this game grinding expertise, grinding dil, grinding EC, grinding crafting materials, and other resources for character or fleet development. I'm sure others do not as well. If you enjoy the grind, by all means, play that way, but do not insist that i play the game according to your playstyle.
"But top level gear should be a challenge to get." Yes, I know that. Don't come at me with that argument, especially if you weren't here before the reputation system. 300+ runs on cure ground elite to get the tech drop for the final maco piece.
I read a lot of you all's responses and you bring up some good points. However, it is not a "rant" about the loss of Dil, but the loss of a good dependable sack of Exp that gets a toon through a week of Rep grind without having to spend ADDITIONAL hours to grind Exp on top of the already ridiculous grind for everything else. MU was kind of a beacon of light in front of all the other grinds.
I really don't understand how MU was "Exploited"? They dipped the event down to once every 20 hours it seemed. If you ran it back to back as fast as possible you got what 6-8k Dil total? That is for the whole hour for one toon. Even if you were to get 20k Dil, you STILL can only refine 8k a day. Its really no different then opening lockboxes and getting Mining tokens on several toons and running that once a day, i.e. fills the cap for the day, but not exploited.
I would understand the "exploited" claim if you got 8-10k dil per event hour and you could run it back to back for hours, but that wasn't the case. If you think 6-7k worth of dil an hour, once every 20 hours is an exploit, then you need to seriously go play some other games that ARE exploited...
The last real exploit that STO seen was back In April of last year during that Foundry Exploit where people were getting what 40k+ dil per hour and you could run it back to back infinite amount of times. I know several people that had obtained 1.5m+ Dil on one of more toons over that exploit. THAT my friends is an exploit.
If you want to improve Mirror Invasion, that is fine. I liked it the way it was. But bring it back now while you are improving it. We need it to level characters. We also need it for the expertise. It's taking way too long to level my new science character that I made because of the new Dyson ship. I need more expertise to train my boffs.
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When you get an ALT to lvl 50 and want to start doing the Rep grind for said Alt, you have to have the Mirror invasion to be able to meet the Exp requirements. Or make the Alt your primary toon. Without the Mirror event it is now pointless to try to do the Rep grind on an Alt toon.
When you get an ALT to lvl 50 and want to start doing the Rep grind for said Alt, you have to have the Mirror invasion to be able to meet the Exp requirements. Or make the Alt your primary toon. Without the Mirror event it is now pointless to try to do the Rep grind on an Alt toon.
Nah. You don't have to. The only thing the mirror incursion has done is made it easier, that's all.
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I agree that the exploitation on the dilithium was a bad idea on Cryptic's part, but the amount of exp needed to be used to fill fleet projects boy did those vast runs come in major handy, now it's gone for awhile making it quite difficult to get the exp needed.
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I hope to see the Mirror Event return as it was a great incentive for people to keep creating new toons without having to go through an arduous journey each time, don't get me wrong the episodes are great, the first few times, but after the second or third time around most people just want to hit 50 and get on with it.
As for bonus marks I think if it is to stay as a 'weekend event' it should be at least monthly.
"If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." - Carl Sagan
I am glad all of my characters are leveled with huge amounts of xp
and our starbase is completed
It really is begining to suck to be a noob in STO tho
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Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
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Now they've plugged up the source of experience players will need to spend more time in game playing the next best alternatives. More time in game means more potential monies.
When it comes back I expect it to be a mission only available during certain bonus weekends and still pay out decent experience, the downside being of course if you miss it you miss it - and who knows how long until it comes round again.
To play Devil's Second Advocate, removing the old-style Mirror invasion means that players will have to spend more time running through Featured Episodes, engaging in what cryptic would have to be the "story" of the game. It's more or less a choice between different styles of presentation (grind-a-thon or plot), and I for one am glad to see cryptic moving away from exploitive MMO mechanics (ie. removing the old-style mirror event which was ONLY a grindy means to an end, and really had no intrinsic entertainment value in itself) in at least one instance.
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Hardly the most borked thing there ever was in the game. The scenario you describe calls for a premade group knowing what they're doing running an event only up for an hour a day. Even if you walked away with 20000 dil, you can still only refine 8k of it a day. Inversely, if you're talking about farming up tons of dil across multiple alts, there is a better way to farm dil efficiently that can be done solo at your convenience.
i share this opinion as much as i hope cryptic would of overlooked it. for now i would rather wait for the revamped mirror event before making any decisions on it.
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First, for your enjoyment, you'll have to run a modified q mini game fifteen times, gaining an MUMARK each time.
Once you have fifteen, you're good to go!
Run the event once, then back to the mini Q's for another fifteen times!
NB, in a months time we will be releasing a cstore variant of the MU event.
when they do the bonus marks weekends I will build up more marks ready for the next dil weekend.
at this rate I will be a dil billionaire in no time
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Good for you.
Apart from the rather obvious puffery, what does that have to do with the MU event?
Personally I wouldn't mind seeing a slightly reduced reward if it was brought back as a permanent PVE queue with a cool down. You have to consider all sides though. Was the mirror event exploited? Yes. Was the event designed to reward players with large amounts of exp? Yes. Did everyone exploit the mirror event? No. Do all players participate in the mirror event? No.
I'm all for playing all aspects of the game. I'm all for a challenge. But at what point does it become too much? I do not want to have to spend all my time in this game grinding expertise, grinding dil, grinding EC, grinding crafting materials, and other resources for character or fleet development. I'm sure others do not as well. If you enjoy the grind, by all means, play that way, but do not insist that i play the game according to your playstyle.
"But top level gear should be a challenge to get." Yes, I know that. Don't come at me with that argument, especially if you weren't here before the reputation system. 300+ runs on cure ground elite to get the tech drop for the final maco piece.
If by no time you mean 114 years, sure. 114 years being about how long it will take with a cap of 8,000 over three characters.
I really don't understand how MU was "Exploited"? They dipped the event down to once every 20 hours it seemed. If you ran it back to back as fast as possible you got what 6-8k Dil total? That is for the whole hour for one toon. Even if you were to get 20k Dil, you STILL can only refine 8k a day. Its really no different then opening lockboxes and getting Mining tokens on several toons and running that once a day, i.e. fills the cap for the day, but not exploited.
I would understand the "exploited" claim if you got 8-10k dil per event hour and you could run it back to back for hours, but that wasn't the case. If you think 6-7k worth of dil an hour, once every 20 hours is an exploit, then you need to seriously go play some other games that ARE exploited...
The last real exploit that STO seen was back In April of last year during that Foundry Exploit where people were getting what 40k+ dil per hour and you could run it back to back infinite amount of times. I know several people that had obtained 1.5m+ Dil on one of more toons over that exploit. THAT my friends is an exploit.
Would be nice to have though.
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There's a difference.
Want please:)
Haven't experienced it yet and would love to. Mirror Universe and goatees are two things I hold dear in life.
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If people read, the world would be a better place. However, A lot of ragers on MMOs don't read, they just jump to conclusions.
All without the Mirror Event.
It's definitely not "needed."
Not possible, science has proven that you can't reach 50 without the mirror event since we "need" it.
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No, people do not read.