I believe what you are describing is called "EVERY MMO EVER". Kill 5 rats, collect 10 doodads, go to points a, b, and c and click on the guy, getting ambushed on the way. Get you carrot, level up, repeat and get a nicer carrot. Once you have the nicest carrot, a new expansion comes out with even nicer carrots, but if you want them, you get to pay them for the "opportunity" to pay them. Then you pay your subscription fee for even longer to get those nicer carrots. Rinse and repeat. It's a grind the whole way, often playing the same missions over and over so you can get the gear you want rather than the random TRIBBLE you keep getting.
The only difference here is that PWE learned how to monetize the process after WOW destroyed the subscription model (technically, Turbine did it, but PWE has taken it to the next level). Instead of the monthly fee, they give you the chance to get a slightly better carrot for free in exchange for your time. Then they give you the chance to get an even nicer carrot for money, or a random chance to get a REALLY nice carrot by gambling.
There's no difference. If you don't like grinding (which is really just another way of saying "playing MMOs,") you should probably not play MMOs.
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What makes the 9-console freebie worth the grind is because of what it comes with. The Photon DHC. The ability to change between Sci and Tac mode. The special Warp Core/Singularity Drive.
We don't know if the C-Store ships comes with these or not.
Though, if I know my special ships, I'm certain this'll also show up in the Fleets for 200k Fleet Credits at Tier 5
Why wouldn't they?
If there's a C-Store ship that isn't better in every way than its regular version, You'll have to point me at it because I can't think of any.
The C-Stores will have higher hull/shields, the extra console slot, and may have slightly better BOFF seating (probably in the form of a smidge more universal seating). They will be fleet level ships.
Let's not forget that while these are brand new, they're also supposed to be a first glimpse of the change to science vessels that has been promised (science ships getting the secondaries). In other words, in a few months the free version will be getting compared to a DSSV.
The "problem" is not so much that the event ship is of a lower standard than the C-Store one, that's normal and expected (though the wishful thinkers mike prefer a high top spec ship for the "Anniversary")
It's that they not only have an Anniversary Ship (supposedly one of a kind and exclusive) AND they added C-Store version, it's that even the C-Store version is ALSO sub standard and you actually have to get BOTH of them to make it into the top version ... THAT is the problem people are having ... ... ... Words fail me ... ...
The C-Store. Be it sales of ships, sales of keys or whatever. That's where the money should be made. Not to mention LTS, Gold Subs, Legacy and Starter Packs.
I don't have a problem with stuff going into the C-Store. What I have a problem with is this;
- Pre-S8, a lot of noise was made about how the Rep system was too much of a grind and how it was difficult for players with Alts to get through the Reps. As a result, the Devs went out of their way to add the sponsorship tokens to all the Reps, and the Dyson rep was much less of a grind than previous Reps. In the time between S8 and now, all the work that was done to relieve the excessive grinding has vanished, to the point that we're now expected to spend 15 days grinding an obnoxious mini-game for something that was ostensibly and traditionally supposed to be a gift to players to thank them for playing STO for another year.
- If that wasn't bad enough, this seems to have been specifically designed as a money-grab. No-one wants to spend 15 days chasing mini-Qs around SFA, competing with others doing the very same. And Cryptic knows this - hence why this grind has a Lobi Package option attached. "Don't like the grind? You can just pay for it with Lobi, you know."
- On top of that, we now know that there are nine new ships hitting the C-Store soon. All of them being various ten-console versions of the Anniversary ship. So on the face of it, it's completely unneccessary to grind for this version when a better one will be out later. BUT WAIT! A unique item is locked on the grinded version, which means that if you want the full set - and let's be honest, some people do - you have to grind your TRIBBLE off for your Anniversary "gift" (at least three times if you have a character from each faction) and then pay Cryptic upwards of $150 to get the new, better versions.
Now i'll reiterate - I don't mind stuff going into the C-Store. What I object to is the pointless grind that's been attached here to the "free" version. There are various underhanded tactics being played out here to get you to part with more and more money.
And none of it is neccessary.
When I give someone a gift, I generally don't make them collect five doodads before i'll give it to them.
Grind is the name of the game for MMOs. I know this. But why make it a grind for something that is supposed to be a thank you?
The c-store and subs didn't pay the bills to be blunt. I don't know how long you have been playing this game but the game was going nowhere until F2P came along. I don't care for the grind but it is an MMO so I expect it. F2P allowed this game to grow and add staff to make it a much better game and to pay for it they needed to add other ways to earn money which means lock boxes, lobi, grinding to support those who don't want to grind (dil exchange), etc. As I said before anything that you get for just playing the game is indeed free.
No where did the game say you were getting a ship as a gift. No one ever said the anniversary was a thank you to the players except of course the players who expect something for nothing. So the last two anniversaries gave a ship for doing a mission once, so what. You didn't always get a ship. That isn't the case this year, instead you're getting a better ship for playing regularly during the entire event.
Why don't for once the players say thank you to STO and its devs for making a great game and keeping it profitable for 4 years now?
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So I can pretty much buy this on day one with my 400 lobi, right? I do one mission to get 400 marks and will get at least 10 marks per 5 lobi so that's 10*60 = 600 marks for 300 lobi.
The "problem" is not so much that the event ship is of a lower standard than the C-Store one, that's normal and expected (though the wishful thinkers mike prefer a high top spec ship for the "Anniversary")
It's that they not only have an Anniversary Ship (supposedly one of a kind and exclusive) AND they added C-Store version, it's that even the C-Store version is ALSO sub standard and you actually have to get BOTH of them to make it into the top version ... THAT is the problem people are having ... ... ... Words fail me ... ...
My problem overall is they are so damn ugly roflmao.
My problem overall is they are so damn ugly roflmao.
No, the grind/per toon is the problem. Then paying for the better ship is the problem. And also being forced to do both if you want everything is the problem.
thats 3 problems. Easy fix devs...... make the ship cost 400 points so we dont have to grind. keep everything else as is.
What happens to them when the grind ships are no longer available? You can still buy the ship, but it's impossible to acquire all its unique features? That would be like denying people access to the Fleet Ambassador/Kamarag if they didn't get the free ship during the grind (an exaggeration, but it makes my point)...
Bah, this whole anniversary ship presentation has been strange, unusual, and deeply confusing. I'm suddenly very glad I don't care much about ships that aren't canon. :P
Ultimately, I will be buying the bundle on one of my factions and then grinding out the free ships on my science and tactical toons. I will also be getting an ev suit on all my toons. Depending on the perks in the q event boxes I might do it on more characters just for the dilithium and skill point boosts, etc. I'm excited for all the new mechanics being introduced with these ships and the ground gear.
I'm curious about the ev suits and the jet pack thing on them and where you can use it. Should be interesting...
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What happens to them when the grind ships are no longer available? You can still buy the ship, but it's impossible to acquire all its unique features? That would be like denying people access to the Fleet Ambassador/Kamarag if they didn't get the free ship during the grind (an exaggeration, but it makes my point)...
Bah, this whole anniversary ship presentation has been strange, unusual, and deeply confusing. I'm suddenly very glad I don't care much about ships that aren't canon. :P
I will bet that the unique secondary deflector from the anniversary event will probably find its way into the lobi store or something after the event so those folks who didn't get it can buy it later... but who knows.
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What do you guys want them to do? Every MMO has a grind and every MMO has limited events. Don't want to grind, then spend money and get lobi, then spend money and get z or do the grind and mine the D and trade for the Z and buy the c-store ship.
I really don't see the issue. It's a FTP game that should cost $19 a month, save the $19 for 12 months (that's at least 22,000 z) and then spend it on the anniversary. If you're a LTS save your 500 z a month for 12 months and spend 6000 z on the anniversary.
Again so many options. If you don't want the ship don't get the ship.
■ There will be a Featured Episode starring Admiral Tuvok (Tim Russ, Star Trek: Voyager), "A Step Between Stars". It will reward you with:
► 400 "Qmendations" (1st playthrough only)
► One of 3 pieces (Shield, Impulse Engine or Deflector) of the 4-piece Solanae Hybrid Technologies Space Set.
► One of 3 variants of the Solanae Environmental Suit. Collecting all 3 (since you'll need to play it 3x anyways to get all 3 pieces of the Solanae Hybrid Technologies Space Set), will allow you to trade them into the Lobi Store (at a cost of 50 Lobi) for one of two Upgraded versions (black or white). Rinse and repeat to get both Upgraded versions.
■ Even low-level captains can get the full set-bonuses of the Solanae Hybrid Technologies Space Set regardless of what Mark their items are.
■ There will be an event reputation project that will reward you with a 9-console Dyson Science Destroyer (Costing 1000 "Qmendations"). The Dyson Science Destroyer comes with a Dual Heavy Proton Cannon that is fused in place and cannot be swapped.
■ The Dyson Science Destroyer will be pre-equipped with the 4th piece of the Solanae Hybrid Technologies Space Set (Warp/Singularity Core) as well as a Secondary Deflector which is part of another, currently unknown, 4-piece set (see below). Romulan Captains will also receive a Matter/Anti-Matter Warp Core with the Romulan variant of their ship in addition to the pre-equipped Singularity Core.
■ There will be a Q-themed daily mission wherein you can earn 40 Qmendations per day. You can also get a Festive Party Horn, Party Box, or Mystery Item. If you don't want to grind the daily mission for these ships, you can spend 5 Lobi for an Anniversary Qmendation Package containing between 10 and 20 Qmendations each (roughly a max of 300 Lobi for 0 grind).
■ In late February, Cryptic will be releasing a Dyson Science Destroyer 3-pack for each faction (i.e. 9 variants total) on the C/Z-Store. Each of these factional variants will have a 10th console slot, a Special Console to put in it, and upgraded stats.
■ Equipping the Special Consoles from the C/Z-store versions -- which will be detailed in a future update -- plus the Secondary Deflector from the Anniversary ships onto the C/Z-Store versions will provide another 4-piece set-bonus completely separate from the Solanae Hybrid Technologies Space Set. Cost of these packs is currently unknown.
Sounds like way to much grind (welcome back D'Angelo), way to much work for an anniversary reward ships, the best way to get anniversary rewards and console perks it through feature episodes, not reputation grinds its not Trek and not fun....I listened to Geko's priority one interview, and losing Stahl has derailed the vision, the ship switch system is great, but to have to grind for anniversary rewards seems delusional....and someone has forgotten this is supposed to be fun?
The new FED revamp on the Klingon content has been retouched, but does not hold up to the FED tutorial quality. The FED tutorial is some of the finest content we have. Than you.
I'm... genuinely confused by the decision to make the grind ships 9 console, with C-Store versions coming soon after. It seems like a similar amount of effort to grind the free ships as it would be to grind dilithium for the C-Store pack... especially across multiple toons.
I mean, this flies in the face of the precedent established by the winter/summer ships - there, while you have to work for a ship, at least it's top quality. Why bother putting in the effort if you'll just end up buying the C-Store version anyway to get the best version?
I just don't understand...
It's simple: cryptic is trying to turn a symbiotic relationship into a parasitic one. They want us to go through the trouble of grinding for the original set pieces AND buy the incomplete c-store variants to take full advantage of this content. The question which has supported this game over the last two years "grind or money?" has been replaced with "grind AND money!" (or grind twice as much) with this haphazard anniversary scheme. It makes no sense because it's simply not appropriate for this game.
Cryptic, just dump the qmendation grind. The fact that a 10 console c-store bundle will exist clearly demonstrates that these new ships AREN'T going to cause problems for any aspect of the game if handed out en mass to the community (for if there were balance issues a superior version offered on the general marketplace would be apocalyptic) nor can you fall back on the secondary deflectors since those will be added to ALL science ships.
Compare that to the tangible friction you're creating during the anniversary "celebration." It's hard to imagine any worse way you guys could be undermining yourselves (besides moving farther in this very direction.) There are so many other upstanding aspects to this event, and even the blogs associated with it, but as it is they don't count for much given that their focal point is a fundamental betrayal of principle. If nothing else you're highlighting the worse possible interpretation of your design philosophy and business practices.
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I guess they should just give the ship away and make the consoles the thing you grind for. That would probably make everyone happy.
Free ships for everyone, but you'll have to grind for the anniversary set pieces for each character no c-store/Lobi option for items. Just the grind. Oh and buy the way after 15 days you're out of luck if you didn't log on every day to grind.
all this stuff about grinding being such a problem, Its 15 days worth of a very short daily event, Big deal? A lot of us players log daily for a short duration for DOFF assignments anyways, a short mini mission is not much more to ask us to do in my opinion
I'll be doing it once for one character anyways, Even though i have 5 characters, Why would i want 5 of them anyways ? my characters already have more ships than i actually use on a regular basis
Stop whinging about it so much , its getting to be pathetic and nobody is forcing you to grind anything anyways, your doing it of your own accord for whatever reward they are making available at the time
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Stop whinging about it so much , its getting to be pathetic and nobody is forcing you to grind anything anyways, your doing it of your own accord for whatever reward they are making available at the time
And no one is forcing me to play STO in general. But why shouldn't I be able to point out when the game is being made arbitrarily worse? Sure, once we get down to business grinding for this event will not be that painful but given how we had a better alternative last year, and for the Sphere's of Influence to boot, I fail to see how this backlash is somehow our problem.
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I believe what you are describing is called "EVERY MMO EVER". Kill 5 rats, collect 10 doodads, go to points a, b, and c and click on the guy, getting ambushed on the way. Get you carrot, level up, repeat and get a nicer carrot. Once you have the nicest carrot, a new expansion comes out with even nicer carrots, but if you want them, you get to pay them for the "opportunity" to pay them. Then you pay your subscription fee for even longer to get those nicer carrots. Rinse and repeat. It's a grind the whole way, often playing the same missions over and over so you can get the gear you want rather than the random TRIBBLE you keep getting.
The only difference here is that PWE learned how to monetize the process after WOW destroyed the subscription model (technically, Turbine did it, but PWE has taken it to the next level). Instead of the monthly fee, they give you the chance to get a slightly better carrot for free in exchange for your time. Then they give you the chance to get an even nicer carrot for money, or a random chance to get a REALLY nice carrot by gambling.
There's no difference. If you don't like grinding (which is really just another way of saying "playing MMOs,") you should probably not play MMOs.
Well, there is one other difference.
In WoW, if you want to proceed past a certain point in the game, you're going to need to run through certain dungeons. They're required to progress the story. And you can't solo them - teaming is absolutely required, forced upon you whether you like it or not. And given the way their grind works, if you don't have the best gear available, you're not going to find a team - nobody's going to help you run that last mission against the Lich King if you're wearing last season's gear. It's like dealing with fashionistas.
In STO, on the other hand, you can run all the way to endgame with the free ships and whatever random TRIBBLE drops during battles as you level. You can even get PUGs for some of the story missions (if you want them) without anyone demanding to know your "gear score". Nobody needs any of this stuff. I'm probably going to grind out the anniversary ship for at least one or two toons, just because it looks neat, but I don't need them, and I certainly don't "need" the coming C-store bundle. So I'll miss out on some "unique combination". So?
Precisely. These ships are no more free than C-store ships bought using exchanged dilithium are. The difference is ONLY what "currencies" are used to convert effort into content.
So I'll miss out on some "unique combination". So?
So why lock the least of the combinations behind a grind gate? Without the dyson ship and gear you're not going to be held back from any part of this game but by that very same token restricting the content to only those who have put the added effort in doesn't serve a constructive purpose (ie. it doesn't serve to balance the game or create effort-return relationships. It's simply a grind.)
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In WoW, if you want to proceed past a certain point in the game, you're going to need to run through certain dungeons. They're required to progress the story. And you can't solo them - teaming is absolutely required, forced upon you whether you like it or not. And given the way their grind works, if you don't have the best gear available, you're not going to find a team - nobody's going to help you run that last mission against the Lich King if you're wearing last season's gear. It's like dealing with fashionistas.
In STO, on the other hand, you can run all the way to endgame with the free ships and whatever random TRIBBLE drops during battles as you level. You can even get PUGs for some of the story missions (if you want them) without anyone demanding to know your "gear score". Nobody needs any of this stuff. I'm probably going to grind out the anniversary ship for at least one or two toons, just because it looks neat, but I don't need them, and I certainly don't "need" the coming C-store bundle. So I'll miss out on some "unique combination". So?
Pretty much this, I'll be getting the romulan one because i like the texture and look of the ship, I really don;t need any of its mechanics, for the reasons you pointed out above
Infact, i think every single C-store or grind ship i have obtained was bought because it looked good to me , Avenger for instance, 5 fore weapons? don't care, but i love the Ablative armour animations that activate in combat
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You know, I reckon if Cryptic just scrapped the whole C-Store variants idea and put a bundle or bundles on the C-Store = 1 with just the SKINS of the new ships and and maybe 1 with SKINS plus the Consoles and/or Secondary Deflector, they would sell 10 times, 50 times more than they will now ... They'd make a killing ...
Now I know why Cryptic is giving away C store items for free before the anniversary event. You're trying to appease the community and lessen the impact of your choice about using the grind for this years event for a lesser quality ship.
But it isn't working....just read all the posts against it...
You should have just given the lesser quality ship to us for completing the feature episode, left the grind for the warp cores and then offed the upgraded ships in the C store. Better way of doing it all around...
But the event is already programmed and ready to go..we will have to deal with it and either do the event or not. Cryptic please take notes for next year and do thinks differently, ok?
Edit: Ok, other than my complaints about how we get them, I must say I really do like the new ships, Cryptic. I like the looks of them, the ideas behind them and the new equipment sets. Good job designing them Cryptic!
And thank you for the free C store items.
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I think as another little gesture of goodwill we should be able to exchange extra Qmendations for Risian pearls, or Q pics in case we just need a few more to complete our projects still. I for one would buy up keys like crazy to finish off my Risian Cruiser at last
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Why wouldn't they?
If there's a C-Store ship that isn't better in every way than its regular version, You'll have to point me at it because I can't think of any.
The C-Stores will have higher hull/shields, the extra console slot, and may have slightly better BOFF seating (probably in the form of a smidge more universal seating). They will be fleet level ships.
Let's not forget that while these are brand new, they're also supposed to be a first glimpse of the change to science vessels that has been promised (science ships getting the secondaries). In other words, in a few months the free version will be getting compared to a DSSV.
The "problem" is not so much that the event ship is of a lower standard than the C-Store one, that's normal and expected (though the wishful thinkers mike prefer a high top spec ship for the "Anniversary")
It's that they not only have an Anniversary Ship (supposedly one of a kind and exclusive) AND they added C-Store version, it's that even the C-Store version is ALSO sub standard and you actually have to get BOTH of them to make it into the top version ... THAT is the problem people are having ... ... ... Words fail me ... ...
The c-store and subs didn't pay the bills to be blunt. I don't know how long you have been playing this game but the game was going nowhere until F2P came along. I don't care for the grind but it is an MMO so I expect it. F2P allowed this game to grow and add staff to make it a much better game and to pay for it they needed to add other ways to earn money which means lock boxes, lobi, grinding to support those who don't want to grind (dil exchange), etc. As I said before anything that you get for just playing the game is indeed free.
No where did the game say you were getting a ship as a gift. No one ever said the anniversary was a thank you to the players except of course the players who expect something for nothing. So the last two anniversaries gave a ship for doing a mission once, so what. You didn't always get a ship. That isn't the case this year, instead you're getting a better ship for playing regularly during the entire event.
Why don't for once the players say thank you to STO and its devs for making a great game and keeping it profitable for 4 years now?
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My problem overall is they are so damn ugly roflmao.
No, the grind/per toon is the problem. Then paying for the better ship is the problem. And also being forced to do both if you want everything is the problem.
thats 3 problems. Easy fix devs...... make the ship cost 400 points so we dont have to grind. keep everything else as is.
What happens to them when the grind ships are no longer available? You can still buy the ship, but it's impossible to acquire all its unique features? That would be like denying people access to the Fleet Ambassador/Kamarag if they didn't get the free ship during the grind (an exaggeration, but it makes my point)...
Bah, this whole anniversary ship presentation has been strange, unusual, and deeply confusing. I'm suddenly very glad I don't care much about ships that aren't canon. :P
if you miss the ships now you'll be able to get them next year?
but they didn't say that but they did say they're going to use the currency for next year.
I'm curious about the ev suits and the jet pack thing on them and where you can use it. Should be interesting...
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I will bet that the unique secondary deflector from the anniversary event will probably find its way into the lobi store or something after the event so those folks who didn't get it can buy it later... but who knows.
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I really don't see the issue. It's a FTP game that should cost $19 a month, save the $19 for 12 months (that's at least 22,000 z) and then spend it on the anniversary. If you're a LTS save your 500 z a month for 12 months and spend 6000 z on the anniversary.
Again so many options. If you don't want the ship don't get the ship.
■ There will be a Featured Episode starring Admiral Tuvok (Tim Russ, Star Trek: Voyager), "A Step Between Stars". It will reward you with:
► 400 "Qmendations" (1st playthrough only)
► One of 3 pieces (Shield, Impulse Engine or Deflector) of the 4-piece Solanae Hybrid Technologies Space Set.
► One of 3 variants of the Solanae Environmental Suit. Collecting all 3 (since you'll need to play it 3x anyways to get all 3 pieces of the Solanae Hybrid Technologies Space Set), will allow you to trade them into the Lobi Store (at a cost of 50 Lobi) for one of two Upgraded versions (black or white). Rinse and repeat to get both Upgraded versions.
■ Even low-level captains can get the full set-bonuses of the Solanae Hybrid Technologies Space Set regardless of what Mark their items are.
■ There will be an event reputation project that will reward you with a 9-console Dyson Science Destroyer (Costing 1000 "Qmendations"). The Dyson Science Destroyer comes with a Dual Heavy Proton Cannon that is fused in place and cannot be swapped.
■ The Dyson Science Destroyer will be pre-equipped with the 4th piece of the Solanae Hybrid Technologies Space Set (Warp/Singularity Core) as well as a Secondary Deflector which is part of another, currently unknown, 4-piece set (see below). Romulan Captains will also receive a Matter/Anti-Matter Warp Core with the Romulan variant of their ship in addition to the pre-equipped Singularity Core.
■ There will be a Q-themed daily mission wherein you can earn 40 Qmendations per day. You can also get a Festive Party Horn, Party Box, or Mystery Item. If you don't want to grind the daily mission for these ships, you can spend 5 Lobi for an Anniversary Qmendation Package containing between 10 and 20 Qmendations each (roughly a max of 300 Lobi for 0 grind).
■ In late February, Cryptic will be releasing a Dyson Science Destroyer 3-pack for each faction (i.e. 9 variants total) on the C/Z-Store. Each of these factional variants will have a 10th console slot, a Special Console to put in it, and upgraded stats.
■ Equipping the Special Consoles from the C/Z-store versions -- which will be detailed in a future update -- plus the Secondary Deflector from the Anniversary ships onto the C/Z-Store versions will provide another 4-piece set-bonus completely separate from the Solanae Hybrid Technologies Space Set. Cost of these packs is currently unknown.
So, have these ships been tested?
most of it yes idk about the secondary deflector though... since the other science ships dont have it yet.
The new FED revamp on the Klingon content has been retouched, but does not hold up to the FED tutorial quality. The FED tutorial is some of the finest content we have. Than you.
It's simple: cryptic is trying to turn a symbiotic relationship into a parasitic one. They want us to go through the trouble of grinding for the original set pieces AND buy the incomplete c-store variants to take full advantage of this content. The question which has supported this game over the last two years "grind or money?" has been replaced with "grind AND money!" (or grind twice as much) with this haphazard anniversary scheme. It makes no sense because it's simply not appropriate for this game.
Cryptic, just dump the qmendation grind. The fact that a 10 console c-store bundle will exist clearly demonstrates that these new ships AREN'T going to cause problems for any aspect of the game if handed out en mass to the community (for if there were balance issues a superior version offered on the general marketplace would be apocalyptic) nor can you fall back on the secondary deflectors since those will be added to ALL science ships.
Compare that to the tangible friction you're creating during the anniversary "celebration." It's hard to imagine any worse way you guys could be undermining yourselves (besides moving farther in this very direction.) There are so many other upstanding aspects to this event, and even the blogs associated with it, but as it is they don't count for much given that their focal point is a fundamental betrayal of principle. If nothing else you're highlighting the worse possible interpretation of your design philosophy and business practices.
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Free ships for everyone, but you'll have to grind for the anniversary set pieces for each character no c-store/Lobi option for items. Just the grind. Oh and buy the way after 15 days you're out of luck if you didn't log on every day to grind.
I'll be doing it once for one character anyways, Even though i have 5 characters, Why would i want 5 of them anyways ? my characters already have more ships than i actually use on a regular basis
Stop whinging about it so much , its getting to be pathetic and nobody is forcing you to grind anything anyways, your doing it of your own accord for whatever reward they are making available at the time
And no one is forcing me to play STO in general. But why shouldn't I be able to point out when the game is being made arbitrarily worse? Sure, once we get down to business grinding for this event will not be that painful but given how we had a better alternative last year, and for the Sphere's of Influence to boot, I fail to see how this backlash is somehow our problem.
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In WoW, if you want to proceed past a certain point in the game, you're going to need to run through certain dungeons. They're required to progress the story. And you can't solo them - teaming is absolutely required, forced upon you whether you like it or not. And given the way their grind works, if you don't have the best gear available, you're not going to find a team - nobody's going to help you run that last mission against the Lich King if you're wearing last season's gear. It's like dealing with fashionistas.
In STO, on the other hand, you can run all the way to endgame with the free ships and whatever random TRIBBLE drops during battles as you level. You can even get PUGs for some of the story missions (if you want them) without anyone demanding to know your "gear score". Nobody needs any of this stuff. I'm probably going to grind out the anniversary ship for at least one or two toons, just because it looks neat, but I don't need them, and I certainly don't "need" the coming C-store bundle. So I'll miss out on some "unique combination". So?
Precisely. These ships are no more free than C-store ships bought using exchanged dilithium are. The difference is ONLY what "currencies" are used to convert effort into content.
So why lock the least of the combinations behind a grind gate? Without the dyson ship and gear you're not going to be held back from any part of this game but by that very same token restricting the content to only those who have put the added effort in doesn't serve a constructive purpose (ie. it doesn't serve to balance the game or create effort-return relationships. It's simply a grind.)
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Pretty much this, I'll be getting the romulan one because i like the texture and look of the ship, I really don;t need any of its mechanics, for the reasons you pointed out above
Infact, i think every single C-store or grind ship i have obtained was bought because it looked good to me , Avenger for instance, 5 fore weapons? don't care, but i love the Ablative armour animations that activate in combat
But it isn't working....just read all the posts against it...
You should have just given the lesser quality ship to us for completing the feature episode, left the grind for the warp cores and then offed the upgraded ships in the C store. Better way of doing it all around...
But the event is already programmed and ready to go..we will have to deal with it and either do the event or not. Cryptic please take notes for next year and do thinks differently, ok?
Edit: Ok, other than my complaints about how we get them, I must say I really do like the new ships, Cryptic. I like the looks of them, the ideas behind them and the new equipment sets. Good job designing them Cryptic!
And thank you for the free C store items.
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