The detail you and many other posters overlook is the Path to 2409 established that none of the ships in this game are old. They may have old "looks" but are all being produced with modern tech, modern hulls fresh out of the shipyard.
The path to 2409 established that O'Brien and the Corps of Engineers developed the modular ship design tech so that all of the new captains shoved into the war with the undine could have a brand new ship quickly and have it customizable to their preferences and their mission parameters.
This was the book/timeline's explanation for why there were so many new captains and why they were choosing between three different skins at each level, which usually had a really old skin and two cryptic designed skins (Think Cheyenne and Stargazer at T3).
So that Excelsior? It's not been in service since the 2280s. You can tell this because its registry number isn't anywhere close to what a ship from that era would have been.
So if we're gonna start talking about details, you all should brush up on the details of this game's self written canon. Go out, and buy the novel. It's got a great chapter about Gorn versus Starfleet baseball teams that incites an incident with the Klingons.
I've read it a couple of times. Doesn't change the fact that all that garbage was thrown in to justify selling old ships in a game timeframe that makes them a century or more old.
In other words, like most entertainment, it caters to those with no imagination. "I wanna be like Captain kirk so i gotta have his ship" sort of thing.
Heaven help us is anyone ever broke out of the mold andecided to tell their OWN story.
This is what killed the Trek franchise in the early 2000's. Always looking back, never forward.
Hey, they find a way to get you guys your precious T5 rustbucket, I'm happy for you. Too bad they'll probably nerf my modern, state of the art ship so yours doesn't get waxed in a few shots.
In any case, if you want to tout "needs of the Many", fine. Connies were long out of service even before then. i defy you to find a single live, active-duty Connie in TNG, DS9, VOY, or any of the films past 6.
They were decomissioning them as early as 2285 (Star Trek III) so even using the logic of your book argument, you might see Excelsiors, Constellations, mirandas, and others. You would never see a Connie.
Ever.
Nothing breaks the tension better than a tankard of warnog - except maybe a good brawl...
Oh, that's the problem, age SHOULD matter, but doesn't in STO.
So here's the thing right. Age doesn't matter. As we know. As you yourself cite. Thus any and all posts suggesting the Constitution can't work at T5 because it is old are null and void.
The reason there isn't currently a T5 version of that ship is because Dan said CBS said no. That's it. That's all there is. Age was never a factor. Not for this game.
The question I asked was WHY would a player want to float around in an antique and expect it to fight like a modern ship?
This question is the easiest of all to answer. People want to play a star trek game and fly their favorite star trek ship in it. The reason people want to fly their favorite ship at end-game is because that's where people who play the game regularly spend the most of their playtime. So while it's great they can fly said ship for the first 10 levels, those are gone in the blink of an eye while the next 4 years are spent doing STFs at level 50. So they would like to fly their favorite ship at that level, because it's a game and it is fun to do that in a game.
Considering they also allow you to use those era's uniforms, its bridge, AND they made the Galileo shuttle as powerful as the runabout from DS9, it's already pretty much established that Cryptic is A-OK with letting its players play the game with the feel of any era even the TOS era.
But quite honestly, we saw what happens to Excelsiors and Mirandas when they face modern enemies on DS9. They were basically cannon fodder that died with one or two shots.
It's a stretch. Most every ship in that show except the Defiant or one with Dukat or Worf on the crew was overmatched by the Jem'Hadar. Because of plot.
Somehow, i don't think Starfleet would upgrade and keep building them for another 40 years.
They explained this in the path to 2409. The ships are all new and modern. But can have the "look" of an older ship. It's a plot device used to explain game functions, so it's a little square peg in a round hole. But it's established for how a captain can have a Centaur or a Miranda and they work the exact same.
BTW, the Vesta IS a cruiser. It was invented for the ST pocket books series. It is a Cruiser.
in STO, "Science Vessel" still = CRUISER.
Ouch. No. Just no. In STO a science vessel is NOT a cruiser. Not even close. Cruisers have more weapons. Turn slower. More hull. Less shields. Cruiser commands. No beam targeting subsystems. They are very different ships. The Vesta is not a cruiser in this game. At all. Neither is the Rhode Island or the Olympic or the Intrepid.
I've read it a couple of times. Doesn't change the fact that all that garbage was thrown in to justify selling old ships in a game timeframe that makes them a century or more old.
In other words, like most entertainment, it caters to those with no imagination. "I wanna be like Captain kirk so i gotta have his ship" sort of thing.
Heaven help us is anyone ever broke out of the mold andecided to tell their OWN story.
This is what killed the Trek franchise in the early 2000's. Always looking back, never forward.
Hey, they find a way to get you guys your precious T5 rustbucket, I'm happy for you. Too bad they'll probably nerf my modern, state of the art ship so yours doesn't get waxed in a few shots.
In any case, if you want to tout "needs of the Many", fine. Connies were long out of service even before then. i defy you to find a single live, active-duty Connie in TNG, DS9, VOY, or any of the films past 6.
They were decomissioning them as early as 2285 (Star Trek III) so even using the logic of your book argument, you might see Excelsiors, Constellations, mirandas, and others. You would never see a Connie.
In STO I've flown a Miranda and killed multiple Neg'Vahrs and Borg ships. Heck the first time I fought the Crystaline Entity was in a Miranda.
Old tech? Hahahahahah. No.
Heck, I took an NX all the way to VA just for the fun of it.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
"Cruiser" is a class. "Science Vessel" is a description.
Cryptic I'm sure felt the need to dumb the classes down so users unfamiliar with REAL ship classes would not but a tactically-based Cruiser and then complain that it did not match science abilities. Or vice-versa.
Oh, I know: "In STO the rules of ship design and building and all that are suspended".
Yeah, that an a puddle of Shatner hair tonic will give you a wet hand.
Okay, obviously you are one of those being catered to. i love how you go back and quote one of my older posts a second time when I clearly explained that you were misunderstanding it.
Go ahead and beg for your little ship. I'll support you in every way I can, just to make a fellow gamer happy. Geezers have rights too, after all.
Nothing breaks the tension better than a tankard of warnog - except maybe a good brawl...
"Cruiser" is a class. "Science Vessel" is a description.
Cryptic I'm sure felt the need to dumb the classes down so users unfamiliar with REAL ship classes would not but a tactically-based Cruiser and then complain that it did not match science abilities. Or vice-versa.
Oh, I know: "In STO the rules of ship design and building and all that are suspended".
Yeah, that an a puddle of Shatner hair tonic will give you a wet hand.
Okay, obviously you are one of those being catered to. i love how you go back and quote one of my older posts a second time when I clearly explained that you were misunderstanding it.
Go ahead and beg for your little ship. I'll support you in every way I can, just to make a fellow gamer happy. Geezers have rights too, after all.
I understand your points, but the whole reason someone plays in a Licensed IP game is because they want to interact with the IP. A huge chunk of the people playing STO are Trek fans. The game caters to that. Very little of this game is canon - it is all about the fans getting fangasms when they do things.
If you do not like that idea, great! You do not need to participate in it. No one is forcing you to buy ships you do not want, wear uniforms you do not want to wear, etc. I am uncertain why you feel the need to tell others what they should or should not be doing in the game, though?
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
put simply a large portion of the sto Fed community do not like the looks of the new modern star fleet ships
To a lot of Fan's they look horrible. Also they have no history and have gained no love thru the tv shows and movies to the fans
cryptic is not giving there star trek fans what they want and losses money every day because of it
we have a large number of star trek fans in my fleet who only use Fed ships /classic ships even though there are much more powerful Alien ships and character they could buy easily
like romulan characters/ships are MUCH more powerful the Fed ships/characters but they refuse to buy them
KDF/Roms are the most powerful and the most RICH charcters in the game but they wont buy them either
Not giving these Fed players a worthwhile ship with the looks they want is only costing cryptic cash every day
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
put simply a large portion of the sto Fed community do not like the looks of the new modern star fleet ships
To a lot of are and look horrible. Also they have no history and have gained no love thru the tv shows and movies to the fans
cryptic is not giving there star trek fans what they want and losses money every day because of it
we have a large number of star trek fans in my fleet who only use Fed ships /classic ships even though there are much more powerful Alien ships and character they could buy easily
like romulan characters/ships are MUCH more powerful the Fed ships/characters but they refuse to buy them
KDF/Roms are the most powerful and the most RICH charcters in the game but they wont buy them either
Not giving these Fed players a worthwhile ship with the looks they want is only costing cryptic cash every day
Reads the red......then reads poster's sig.......the irony.......wonders if his fleetmates thinks he is a sellout.....
After the "Buff the JHAS" thread, and the "Make the Scimitar more powerful" thread, i would like to put this one in the box with them....
CBS says no, it is NO people.
*Puts on Bane mask and speaks in Bane voice.*
When/if CBS changes their mind to allow cryptic to add a T5 connie, only then will you have their permission to connie the end game.
*Leaves Thread to die in its cell...with a TV playing W.Crusher episodes.*
I don't think TOS fans are really affected by Wesley-isms.
So that seems like an ineffective thing to do to T5 Connie folks
Also, with his work on both Big Bang Theory and The Guild, I think Wheaton's transcended the Crusher role to a point where other than the Shut Up Wesley byte, most of it just rolls off peoples' backs these days. Shut Up Wesley's still hilarious though.
DS said they/cbs said no he could have been not telling the truth
anyone have a quote from cbs ? I bet none of you do
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
DS said they/cbs said no he could have been not telling the truth
anyone have a quote from cbs ? I bet none of you do
As Rhianna's ex states, the proof is in the fact that it is not in the game - even though several Devs have stated they know it would be a huge seller.
Geko even speculated that they could try and get it into a Lockbox to see if that would appease CBS. It was still a no.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
The problem is that people spend no more time at T4 then they do T1-3. It is around 25 /played hours to go from 1 to 50. People want the ship for the end-game grind - because that is where people are going to spend the vast majority of their STO playing time.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
They don't have the vertical space for a TNG-style warp core.
The Constitution refit warp core in the Star Trek motion pictures was the same prop used in TNG, so I am not sure where you are getting this statement from. It is only (approximately) two stories high.
What if they put it in the c-store for 10,000 Zen? Then can we have it? I would put some money into that before I would pay a cent for those Dyson ships.
The Constitution refit warp core in the Star Trek motion pictures was the same prop used in TNG, so I am not sure where you are getting this statement from. It is only (approximately) two stories high.
One would also need to wonder how they fit the Warp Core into the Defiant as well then - as the Connie's hull is much bigger then the Defiant's.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Dont need one. The fact that the ship isnt in game despite the huge money maker it would be is proof enough...
Wait, you're using the fact that Cryptic's been saving this one massive money making idea for when they really need it as proof that Stahl wasn't lied to?
*We cana do it capt'an We just dona have da License...*
Oh, licensing issues. Those are all going to get revisited pretty soon once the third movie comes out and Bad Robot is knee deep in midichlorians.
You know, if this discussion was happening a couple of years ago I'd probably be strongly against it because of consistency, modern era and whatnot. But from a today's perspecive, after seeing all that has somehow crawled it's way into this game, I can only say: "Hell yeah!"
+1. Seriously, you Connie guys have my support on this one.
Noone in the world can presently convince me that a T5 Connie could be immersion breaking, timeline breaking, technology breaking or whatever more than a lot of stuff that is currently in game hopping around happily. I'd rather look at an armada of Connies than that Dyson abomination around ESD.
And the whole CBS says no shtick? Yeah, CBS says no and somehow CBS said no to a lot of things including unlimited access to alien ships for every player and yet there are the Chel Grett, Plesh Bekk and the Corvette smiling at us. So you'll pardon me if I don't buy that anymore.
You know, if this discussion was happening a couple of years ago I'd probably be strongly against it because of consistency, modern era and whatnot. But from a today's perspecive, after seeing all that has somehow crawled it's way into this game, I can only say: "Hell yeah!"
+1. Seriously, you Connie guys have my support on this one.
Noone in the world can presently convince me that a T5 Connie could be immersion breaking, timeline breaking, technology breaking or whatever more than a lot of stuff that is currently in game hopping around happily. I'd rather look at an armada of Connies than that Dyson abomination around ESD.
That has essentially been my stance since the Excelsior and D'kyr were added to the game.
And the whole CBS says no shtick? Yeah, CBS says no and somehow CBS said no to a lot of things including unlimited access to alien ships for every player and yet there are the Chel Grett, Plesh Bekk and the Corvette smiling at us. So you'll pardon me if I don't buy that anymore.
They did not say "no." Wanting limited amounts available - which a Lockbock system giving the ship at around one-half of one percent offers - is not the same things as saying no.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
They did not say "no." Wanting limited amounts available - which a Lockbock system giving the ship at around one-half of one percent offers - is not the same things as saying no.
I'm not buying that 'CBS wants limited amounts availible' either.
I'll tell you why - because that ship sailed after the Ferengi lockbox. The moment there was an alien ship in the Lobi store, it turned from 'limited amounts' into 'very expensive unlimited amounts'.
And the free giveaways of alien ships during winter and summer events only fortifies my assumption that the 'limited' ship sailed long ago, because whatever you make out of those ships, they're not limited if every player can obtain one.
You know, if this discussion was happening a couple of years ago I'd probably be strongly against it because of consistency, modern era and whatnot. But from a today's perspecive, after seeing all that has somehow crawled it's way into this game, I can only say: "Hell yeah!"
+1. Seriously, you Connie guys have my support on this one.
Noone in the world can presently convince me that a T5 Connie could be immersion breaking, timeline breaking, technology breaking or whatever more than a lot of stuff that is currently in game hopping around happily. I'd rather look at an armada of Connies than that Dyson abomination around ESD.
And the whole CBS says no shtick? Yeah, CBS says no and somehow CBS said no to a lot of things including unlimited access to alien ships for every player and yet there are the Chel Grett, Plesh Bekk and the Corvette smiling at us. So you'll pardon me if I don't buy that anymore.
Don't worry, I'll clean you out in PvP with my 300 year old T'Varo, you know, that ship that's some 100 years older than the Constitution?
Thank you, I haven't blown coffee out my nose in years. +10 internets to you, my all powerful friend.
Nothing breaks the tension better than a tankard of warnog - except maybe a good brawl...
The detail you and many other posters overlook is the Path to 2409 established that none of the ships in this game are old. They may have old "looks" but are all being produced with modern tech, modern hulls fresh out of the shipyard.
The path to 2409 established that O'Brien and the Corps of Engineers developed the modular ship design tech so that all of the new captains shoved into the war with the undine could have a brand new ship quickly and have it customizable to their preferences and their mission parameters.
This was the book/timeline's explanation for why there were so many new captains and why they were choosing between three different skins at each level, which usually had a really old skin and two cryptic designed skins (Think Cheyenne and Stargazer at T3).
So that Excelsior? It's not been in service since the 2280s. You can tell this because its registry number isn't anywhere close to what a ship from that era would have been.
So if we're gonna start talking about details, you all should brush up on the details of this game's self written canon. Go out, and buy the novel. It's got a great chapter about Gorn versus Starfleet baseball teams that incites an incident with the Klingons.
I thought we had done this dance together enough to know that we both know that all the ships in STO are new. Did you think I was implying he was the first person I had seen go into that much detail? I still remember when you brought up the part in the book about Janeway flying an Excalibur that was top of line performance wise.
I usually don't bring up that aspect in these threads because the people who usually are against the tier 5 connie do it because they think they're upholding some universal truth from canon Star Trek. There isn't a quantifiable thing about the game that implies the ship can't be tier 5 so they pretend the connie refit was retired when the enterprise was, or that the K'tinga being used in modern trek while it was the Klingon contemporary of the Connie Refit doesn't show that the connie refit could be a good ship in modern trek if it was ever shown in detail, or that the Connie refit family of ships being in service in modern Trek means nothing for the potential of the ship. I like to show that from every angle theres a very strong case for our cause.
Out of curiosity, has anyone tried to go into full leveling in the original T1 Connie and how well does it fare?
I've levelled one character just by DOFFs and non-combat missions. And that is extremely viable for an alt that you're not playing through (as in, it's just a character you log on, DOFF with run a few exploration missions that are like scanning plants and columns and such and then switch to another character).
In that sense, you can level cap in an Oberth. An O tha *^Q$^Q$-n BERTH yo!
Although I eventually put that character in a Galaxy when he got it. Cause hey, Galaxy. But I did keep him in an Exeter for two level bands. And now he flies the free Ambassador. Until I can get him a fleet Ambassador.
That being said, PVE combat is easy enough that you can fly your OB-fo-REEZY (or a T1 Connie) all the way until 50 and it's not that big a deal.
Thing is, people want a T5 Constitution because they want to fly their favorite ship at the level cap. It's not hard to figure out. There's this really big thread about the Galaxy because people want it to be better at end-game because it's their favorite ship.
Least those folks have a T5 version to complain about. That wasn't originally the case when the game launched.
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I've read it a couple of times. Doesn't change the fact that all that garbage was thrown in to justify selling old ships in a game timeframe that makes them a century or more old.
In other words, like most entertainment, it caters to those with no imagination. "I wanna be like Captain kirk so i gotta have his ship" sort of thing.
Heaven help us is anyone ever broke out of the mold andecided to tell their OWN story.
This is what killed the Trek franchise in the early 2000's. Always looking back, never forward.
Hey, they find a way to get you guys your precious T5 rustbucket, I'm happy for you. Too bad they'll probably nerf my modern, state of the art ship so yours doesn't get waxed in a few shots.
In any case, if you want to tout "needs of the Many", fine. Connies were long out of service even before then. i defy you to find a single live, active-duty Connie in TNG, DS9, VOY, or any of the films past 6.
They were decomissioning them as early as 2285 (Star Trek III) so even using the logic of your book argument, you might see Excelsiors, Constellations, mirandas, and others. You would never see a Connie.
Ever.
So here's the thing right. Age doesn't matter. As we know. As you yourself cite. Thus any and all posts suggesting the Constitution can't work at T5 because it is old are null and void.
The reason there isn't currently a T5 version of that ship is because Dan said CBS said no. That's it. That's all there is. Age was never a factor. Not for this game.
This question is the easiest of all to answer. People want to play a star trek game and fly their favorite star trek ship in it. The reason people want to fly their favorite ship at end-game is because that's where people who play the game regularly spend the most of their playtime. So while it's great they can fly said ship for the first 10 levels, those are gone in the blink of an eye while the next 4 years are spent doing STFs at level 50. So they would like to fly their favorite ship at that level, because it's a game and it is fun to do that in a game.
Considering they also allow you to use those era's uniforms, its bridge, AND they made the Galileo shuttle as powerful as the runabout from DS9, it's already pretty much established that Cryptic is A-OK with letting its players play the game with the feel of any era even the TOS era.
It's a stretch. Most every ship in that show except the Defiant or one with Dukat or Worf on the crew was overmatched by the Jem'Hadar. Because of plot.
They explained this in the path to 2409. The ships are all new and modern. But can have the "look" of an older ship. It's a plot device used to explain game functions, so it's a little square peg in a round hole. But it's established for how a captain can have a Centaur or a Miranda and they work the exact same.
Ouch. No. Just no. In STO a science vessel is NOT a cruiser. Not even close. Cruisers have more weapons. Turn slower. More hull. Less shields. Cruiser commands. No beam targeting subsystems. They are very different ships. The Vesta is not a cruiser in this game. At all. Neither is the Rhode Island or the Olympic or the Intrepid.
*cough*D'Kyr*cough*
Old tech? Hahahahahah. No.
Cryptic I'm sure felt the need to dumb the classes down so users unfamiliar with REAL ship classes would not but a tactically-based Cruiser and then complain that it did not match science abilities. Or vice-versa.
Oh, I know: "In STO the rules of ship design and building and all that are suspended".
Yeah, that an a puddle of Shatner hair tonic will give you a wet hand.
Okay, obviously you are one of those being catered to. i love how you go back and quote one of my older posts a second time when I clearly explained that you were misunderstanding it.
Go ahead and beg for your little ship. I'll support you in every way I can, just to make a fellow gamer happy. Geezers have rights too, after all.
What can i say? You, sir , are the stuff of legend. I bow to your prowess. Until we meet in PVP.
Then, good luck.
If you do not like that idea, great! You do not need to participate in it. No one is forcing you to buy ships you do not want, wear uniforms you do not want to wear, etc. I am uncertain why you feel the need to tell others what they should or should not be doing in the game, though?
To a lot of Fan's they look horrible. Also they have no history and have gained no love thru the tv shows and movies to the fans
cryptic is not giving there star trek fans what they want and losses money every day because of it
we have a large number of star trek fans in my fleet who only use Fed ships /classic ships even though there are much more powerful Alien ships and character they could buy easily
like romulan characters/ships are MUCH more powerful the Fed ships/characters but they refuse to buy them
KDF/Roms are the most powerful and the most RICH charcters in the game but they wont buy them either
Not giving these Fed players a worthwhile ship with the looks they want is only costing cryptic cash every day
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Reads the red......then reads poster's sig.......the irony.......wonders if his fleetmates thinks he is a sellout.....
After the "Buff the JHAS" thread, and the "Make the Scimitar more powerful" thread, i would like to put this one in the box with them....
CBS says no, it is NO people.
*Puts on Bane mask and speaks in Bane voice.*
When/if CBS changes their mind to allow cryptic to add a T5 connie, only then will you have their permission to connie the end game.
*Leaves Thread to die in its cell...with a TV playing W.Crusher episodes.*
I don't think TOS fans are really affected by Wesley-isms.
So that seems like an ineffective thing to do to T5 Connie folks
Also, with his work on both Big Bang Theory and The Guild, I think Wheaton's transcended the Crusher role to a point where other than the Shut Up Wesley byte, most of it just rolls off peoples' backs these days. Shut Up Wesley's still hilarious though.
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DS said they/cbs said no he could have been not telling the truth
anyone have a quote from cbs ? I bet none of you do
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Dont need one. The fact that the ship isnt in game despite the huge money maker it would be is proof enough...
Its not here....its not coming soon even if this coming at all.
*We cana do it capt'an We just dona have da License...*
Geko even speculated that they could try and get it into a Lockbox to see if that would appease CBS. It was still a no.
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
The Constitution refit warp core in the Star Trek motion pictures was the same prop used in TNG, so I am not sure where you are getting this statement from. It is only (approximately) two stories high.
What if they put it in the c-store for 10,000 Zen? Then can we have it? I would put some money into that before I would pay a cent for those Dyson ships.
Wait, you're using the fact that Cryptic's been saving this one massive money making idea for when they really need it as proof that Stahl wasn't lied to?
Oh, licensing issues. Those are all going to get revisited pretty soon once the third movie comes out and Bad Robot is knee deep in midichlorians.
Matt Kemp?
+1. Seriously, you Connie guys have my support on this one.
Noone in the world can presently convince me that a T5 Connie could be immersion breaking, timeline breaking, technology breaking or whatever more than a lot of stuff that is currently in game hopping around happily. I'd rather look at an armada of Connies than that Dyson abomination around ESD.
And the whole CBS says no shtick? Yeah, CBS says no and somehow CBS said no to a lot of things including unlimited access to alien ships for every player and yet there are the Chel Grett, Plesh Bekk and the Corvette smiling at us. So you'll pardon me if I don't buy that anymore.
Don't worry, I'll clean you out in PvP with my 300 year old T'Varo, you know, that ship that's some 100 years older than the Constitution?
They did not say "no." Wanting limited amounts available - which a Lockbock system giving the ship at around one-half of one percent offers - is not the same things as saying no.
I'm not buying that 'CBS wants limited amounts availible' either.
I'll tell you why - because that ship sailed after the Ferengi lockbox. The moment there was an alien ship in the Lobi store, it turned from 'limited amounts' into 'very expensive unlimited amounts'.
And the free giveaways of alien ships during winter and summer events only fortifies my assumption that the 'limited' ship sailed long ago, because whatever you make out of those ships, they're not limited if every player can obtain one.
Thank you, I haven't blown coffee out my nose in years. +10 internets to you, my all powerful friend.
well the defiant is 4 decks, 5 or 6 if you count the J. tubes...... The warp core fits, barely.....
I thought we had done this dance together enough to know that we both know that all the ships in STO are new.
I usually don't bring up that aspect in these threads because the people who usually are against the tier 5 connie do it because they think they're upholding some universal truth from canon Star Trek. There isn't a quantifiable thing about the game that implies the ship can't be tier 5 so they pretend the connie refit was retired when the enterprise was, or that the K'tinga being used in modern trek while it was the Klingon contemporary of the Connie Refit doesn't show that the connie refit could be a good ship in modern trek if it was ever shown in detail, or that the Connie refit family of ships being in service in modern Trek means nothing for the potential of the ship. I like to show that from every angle theres a very strong case for our cause.
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I've levelled one character just by DOFFs and non-combat missions. And that is extremely viable for an alt that you're not playing through (as in, it's just a character you log on, DOFF with run a few exploration missions that are like scanning plants and columns and such and then switch to another character).
In that sense, you can level cap in an Oberth. An O tha *^Q$^Q$-n BERTH yo!
Although I eventually put that character in a Galaxy when he got it. Cause hey, Galaxy. But I did keep him in an Exeter for two level bands. And now he flies the free Ambassador. Until I can get him a fleet Ambassador.
That being said, PVE combat is easy enough that you can fly your OB-fo-REEZY (or a T1 Connie) all the way until 50 and it's not that big a deal.
Thing is, people want a T5 Constitution because they want to fly their favorite ship at the level cap. It's not hard to figure out. There's this really big thread about the Galaxy because people want it to be better at end-game because it's their favorite ship.
Least those folks have a T5 version to complain about. That wasn't originally the case when the game launched.