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Cryptic, why are the adventures of Capt Shon and Enterprise F ONLY in the ST Mag?
doubleohnine
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I actually HATE Shon. Ive always felt he was a token Andorian, picked by Kestral and Cryptic to be something different and edgy. I still believe there is NO WAY a tv series would have made an alien the Captain, much less THE captain of an Enterprise. Cryptic chosing to go that route just hurt the credibility of the writing staff for this game's Star Trek universe.
Then to make it worse, Cryptic shoves a poorly designed (its fan approval rating is no where near as high as the TOS ship, A, B, D, and E designs) Enterprise F down our throats, gives the big chair to an Andorian, then sells off the ONLY story content of Shon and his crew to the Star Trek magazine. I understand the business and marketing reasons for that. What I dont understand is why a Cryptic created captain and crew cant be read about in game, much less the STO forums? If you give the mag a story in the Jan issue, why cant that same story be added to the forum website at least on say March 1st? Why doesnt Cryptic want the players of its game to have access to the lore of the flagship they created in the game? Those stories belong on the official forum, if you cant or wont make them readable in game, if you want players to enjoy the stories and start to like that Captain and that crew. I'll keep right on hating them if you dont give me free access to their stories after the magazine has gotten their use of them.
Also, I get that the players are supposed to be the star Captain and crew in this game, but I think the Enterprise F and crew should have a meatier (more dialogue) part of the STO story arc in game than what Cryptic is doing now. It needs to feel more Star Treky, and if you send the F off in deep space, after you "lost" the E, that doesnt feel right. Im fine with being the 1b star captain of the show. But since you forced the F and crew into this game, you cant disrespect the Enterprise or disrespect THAT captain's chair.
Im done buying ships for my Fed captains. However, if you make some alternate parts for the Odyssey, I could be tempted to buy one. My particular complaint with the Odyssey is the whale belly on it. If a hull for it was to look very Sovereign looking (a toned gut, not a beer belly), the hull would be all that I wanted to change to get me to buy one.
Can we please get a straight answer from new EP Stephen or Branflakes as to if and when the STO players are going to get official access to Shon's stories outside of the ST Magazine?
Then to make it worse, Cryptic shoves a poorly designed (its fan approval rating is no where near as high as the TOS ship, A, B, D, and E designs) Enterprise F down our throats, gives the big chair to an Andorian, then sells off the ONLY story content of Shon and his crew to the Star Trek magazine. I understand the business and marketing reasons for that. What I dont understand is why a Cryptic created captain and crew cant be read about in game, much less the STO forums? If you give the mag a story in the Jan issue, why cant that same story be added to the forum website at least on say March 1st? Why doesnt Cryptic want the players of its game to have access to the lore of the flagship they created in the game? Those stories belong on the official forum, if you cant or wont make them readable in game, if you want players to enjoy the stories and start to like that Captain and that crew. I'll keep right on hating them if you dont give me free access to their stories after the magazine has gotten their use of them.
Also, I get that the players are supposed to be the star Captain and crew in this game, but I think the Enterprise F and crew should have a meatier (more dialogue) part of the STO story arc in game than what Cryptic is doing now. It needs to feel more Star Treky, and if you send the F off in deep space, after you "lost" the E, that doesnt feel right. Im fine with being the 1b star captain of the show. But since you forced the F and crew into this game, you cant disrespect the Enterprise or disrespect THAT captain's chair.
Im done buying ships for my Fed captains. However, if you make some alternate parts for the Odyssey, I could be tempted to buy one. My particular complaint with the Odyssey is the whale belly on it. If a hull for it was to look very Sovereign looking (a toned gut, not a beer belly), the hull would be all that I wanted to change to get me to buy one.
Can we please get a straight answer from new EP Stephen or Branflakes as to if and when the STO players are going to get official access to Shon's stories outside of the ST Magazine?
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But thats a TV restriction to appeal to "General" audience, in terms of immersion an Alien Captain on the Enterprise makes sense.
Also an Andorian in particular, since they among the founders of the federation. (And I personally like them a lot, kind of my favorite Federation member race....)
But... well you are still right with the rest.
While the Andorians generally might be kind of cool.... It probably violates forum rules to name what come out of his mouth every time he opens it. He is just unlikable and an Idiot. And has NOTHING special in positive sense.
As for his ship.... I really hate this ugly fan design. And I will never call that thing "Enterprise".
However, I you neither like Shon nor his ship, why bothering with not having access to his storys?
More than likely the stories are written and only available in ST Mag due to some exclusive promotional deal, so the magazine can sell more issues.
If you can't see the similarities between Shon and Shran, you are blind.
As for an alien captain of the Enterprise ? It's about time ! May I remind you the Federation is full of aliens, and the Human are the latest species amongst the founder to have build a warp drive ? They almost annihilated themselves right before that, and without the Vulcan, they wouldn't be what they are.
Just a reminder, Data was captain of the Enterprise and it's an android. Having an Andorian makes sense, they are Founders of the Federation, trusted allies since the beginning, and Shon proved himself.
I still hope chain of events will bring Data B-4 to captain the Enterprise, maybe as one of the next st actors in FE mission or maybe in those episodes where kdf and fed will make peace again.
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Well there are still people around who dislike the fact Picard was not American or at least British but instead one of those inferior cheese-eating surrender...well I think you know that one. So people complaining that someone from a lesser species is in command of the Enterprise should hardly surprise anyone.;)
First of all, by tradition, the Enterprise flagship is supposed to represent the most advanced model of the Federation. The older models may be popular with fans, but it would make absolutely no sense for some outdated clunker to head the fleet.
I don't find what's so surprising about an alien captain either. it was actually the next logical step. We've had 3 white male captains, minority captain, and woman captain. Alien captain is pretty much all that's left. In the series both Andorians and Tellarites were underused considering the fact that they were both in the "big 4." Andorians are alien looking, yet still human enough to be relatable. Had Star Trek gone on to a 3rd Generation, I could easily see this happening.
Finally, as for having the Enterprise getting more spotlight in the game, I kinda like how it is now. It's nice to team up with Shon and his crew every now and then, but many MMO's make the mistake of having their mascots taking the spotlight from the players. I like the idea that the Enterprise is out there somewhere doing its thing, but I don't like the idea of being in its shadow and being a part of Shon's adventure rather than him being a part of mine.
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Much as I dislike Shon (he feels too gung-ho and Rugged? to be a 25C Enterprise captain, IMO anyway), the idea of an alien captain is one I am completely fine with. It makes sense, and I was always disappointed at the lack of alien crew members in the shows.
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This is the first time I've ever seen someone suggest the Captain of the Enterprise has to be human.
I find it appalling.
Yeah, today they probably still wouldn't make an alien the captain. For the same stupid reasons that TOS wasn't allowed to have a female first officer with pants. Oh wait, that's what Roddenberry originally pitched. What a hack.:rolleyes:
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Finally somebody else who thinks this way. Sorry the initial post is nothing but useless racist drivel from somebody who just can't take the fact.
Sorry Shon paid the iron price for command of the Enterprise. I have no problems of him being in command of that ship.
Anybody who does, who else paid the iron price for command of the Enterprise? I can think of 2. Captain Garret at the end of the Enterprise C and Jean Luc Picard.
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Of course I can't help but think about the "Dinner" aboard the Enterprice (NCC-1701-A)
When the chancellors daughter make the comment about "in-alienable rights" and the "humans only club".
Trek is not only about exploring the universe... It's about exploring our selves..
It's also about dealing with what is. The Federation is imperfect. It's also not structured politically to be an empire. But that's not the imperfection. And we.. the fans, the gamers playing STO only get the barest of glimses into the whole of it.
Hundred of worlds, and major and minor races uncounted. Earth humans are just one single specie.. and in a bow to human sensibilities of the here and now the view we are presented with in trek is the human view point. Humans appear to make up a disproportionate part of Star Fleet. Or do they? There is reason to argue that ships crews tend to be made up of mostly a single specie and those of different specie that are comfortable or compatable with them.
Shone is a pretty gentle soul, compared to Shran from enterprise...who was fiery tempered and pretty passionate. Andorians have been portrayed as over all a more openly emotional people...saying Vulcans are more uncomfortable around Andorians then humans is a bit of an understatement.. Andorians seem to do a pretty serious job of being able too get "Under the skin" on Vulcans. Might have to do with the fact that Vulcans are emotional, and as a race.. as a whole, have chosen to control that emotional response.. but Vulcan culture is no more monolithic then Human culture. And human culture is defiantly not monolithic. Especially not now going into the second decade of the 21st century. We have scores of languages, cultures, world views or history, religions.. you name it right in the here and now.
In Trek earth went through a series of additional major wars into the 21st century.
Some of them sounded pretty scary blood thirsty affairs, what we know of them.
Apparently Earth human managed to beat the stuffing out of them selves, with several cultures that we currently know of entirely destroyed, with a nearly half the planetary population killed off over a period of 50 years starting about... ohhh NOW.
Rampant use of atomics, chemical, and biological agents as war weapons. Use of mind control and indoctrination to dehumanize the combat troops and turn them specifically into non-discriminatory killers, to disconnect them form the emotional and physiological effects of their own actions. And then work by Dr. Sung in an effort to save his own specie creating his Augments (Kahn et al.) which managed to apparently unite the planet for once to combat THEM.
Trek canon.... But your upset because Trek Magazine gets a story set in the STO universe, written by STO writers (Kestral? or Fan fic? I don't know.. Trek magazine is a bit difficult to snag where I live.
Um but the reason the story was done was with intent It's there, and the focus is there to promote STO. We might just see a portion of that story in the magazine presented as a interactive mission in game. Perhames a follow up.. especially if the story happens to be a cliff hanger! If I were a Dev that certainly would be MY "secret" nefarious intent. The story is a hook.. now where is the line and sinker hidden I wonder? ((sly grin)) Hummmmmm. Ya think it might just be in game?
If not now, maybe shortly?
We are about to receive season 8.5 and STO's 4th anniversary just days away. Uhhh, Maybe that story might be a little spade work towards season 9 later this year? Ohhh to speculate!
(which I do a bit of now and again on these Forums...for some mysterious reason there seems to be a bit of that around here...*shifty eyes* there must be some nefarious EVIL reason that this happens!)
Dear Original Poster;
You are apparently just totally incensed about this. Ok, I can dig it. SO.. Why.. not the unfairness or what ever in your arguments. WHY? I actually don't need to know.. But I think it might be important that you know.
This is our beloved fictional world. I don't get worked up to much about story issues myself.. I've not seen the STO writers go screaming off into "Duh? What was that about" yet, but you have every right to be if you choose. I focus on perceived (that word is important so emphasis please) imbalance and game PLAY myself..
(Sceams "More Klingon and KDf stuff!" *grumble hiss stomp fume, growl* and the content there is imbalanced. I know of what happens in multi faction MMO when faction balance is marginalized, ignored or poo-pooed off as unimportant: Case in Point, NCSoft title ****. And that game has a lot more content balance between the factions then STO does by far. The presentation was what hurt the balance. STO didn't have to worry about the presentation.. 30 years of Star Trek had that all covered for them... Have a bit of faith that the content and bug issues will get nailed down under returning EP Steven D'Angelo. If you've payed attention he's actually got a respectable track record there. So, there is reason to believe he'll pay further attention to it. Like I said game issues are my rant of choice area.)
P.S. Forum Moderator... Question... Why is it that the word A*i*o*n keeps getting blanked out when I use it on these forums. I know its the title of a competing product, but something smells, well... childish here. It's not a dirty word, there is nothing racial about it. Someone some where got their knickers in a twist about NCSoft. I'm frankly curious as to why that is... Especially seeing that Cryptic studio's has benifitted by an influx of skilled, trained, familiar with the product and engine employee's from the now closed paragon studio's which was NC West in house dev team for Champions On lines younger sibling...
If it something left over from years ago... see about getting something done about it.. My experience is Censorship in the long run make the censoring party look stupid petty, and wanting.
Nicole Nichels who played Uhura was feeling like a token black person and was considering leaving star trek until a fellow named Martin Luther King invited her to dinner with he and his wife, and pointed out that she was much more then just token.
I personally don't have n issue with some being "Token". Because the reality is being "Token" is usually the first step toward busting a barrier. Everything has to have a beginning. And Shoen as a character is a lot of things, but token is definatly not one of them.
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I agree completely with the above statement. The Enterprise is a little too important in the Star Trek universe to be so invisible in the game (and while we're at it, how about a bit more on the Bortas'qu and the Lleiset as well).
I do however disagree stongly with the original poster's racist comments about non-humans.
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On topic, I'm going to assume that the reason we don't hear much about the Enterprise-F is that it's part of some exclusivity deal with the magazine. I'd enjoy it if the NPCs would gossip about events, as that might make me actually get the mag. Up until now, I didn't even know the magazine featured anything related to STO.
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How is hating on an andorian captain racist? Wouldn't it technically be xenophobic?
I like to think aside from answering distress calls like the previous Enterprises have, the Enterprise-F does go off onto long term exploration missions, and only pops up during major situations at home. It's like how the Enterprise-D generally was sent exploring far away from the heart of the Federation until the Borg, a conspiracy, or some shenanigan involving THAT boy occurred. Mind you, I think there was an unspoken agreement where the Flagships like the Bortas'qu and the Enterprise stay out of the big Federation-Klingon war.
I do wonder if the Ent-F gets to use both the Chevron separation of Aquarius Escort at the same time...
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So what if Starfleet was manned by mostly humans and Vulcans. Archer wasnt exactly captain material himself as he was consistently butting heads with anyone who didnt see his view point. Pike never had his head on correctly, Kirk was a bar room brawler, Garret didnt have the overall strength in her command style, Picard was so rigid and cold on regulations that he makes hoth look like a desert planet. all of them had their faults Shon's one failing is that hes too arrogant.
racial overtones? you can forget it. in this game players play alien captains all the time and frankly starfleet and the federation is about its diversity.
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Neither, since Andorians do not exist.
Those two words, along with "isolationist", tend to get thrown around like a cheap beach ball. Especially when they are not called for.
and i dont not see Star Trek Enterprise Shran in this captain other than he is blue with antennas on his forehead with white hair
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Still, OP's inane rant is almost exclusively baseless hate and personal opinions, all of which he can go shove up his aft torpedo tube for all I care.
If he hadn't started out with all that childish nosense, though, he'd have a good point. It is a bit off-putting that STO's own Fed icon and her captain's stories are nowhere to be found except in a magazine that is only related to STO by being about the same IP. That really needs to change, either by releasing old stories here as new ones come out (so some exclusivity remains with the magazine) or by writing smaller, separate stories to go up here somewhere.
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Neither of which provides an in-universe explanation, and neither of which provides a good reason why STO can't feature an Andorian captain of the Enterprise.
A primary example towards that end with the make up was farscape, Virginia Hey was forced to abandon her role on farscape because the blue body paint caused her health and kidneys to fail to some extent. however even the likes of Dorn doing Worf, Phillips doing Neelix or Shimerman doing Quark showed it was possible to do. To a lesser extent as it was with Ryan as 7 of 9 and Russ with Tuvok.
what i statng is that its possible as long as its not overdone on the make up.
did you know that Thomson and Krieg had to wait 6 hours to get in and out of the Borg queen costome if they wanted to pee for ex.? some costomes were just too elaborate for use.
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Well spank my nacelle, STO did and tough, just like they intro'd many other things in this game that players didn't care for... to make money. FERENGI'S I SAY! :eek:
First I agree on your post, but the Enterprise F was choosed from public, The Captain was a choise CBS did make because they didn't had the rights they do have now. Thats why Tuvok is captain of Voyager, But if you read books on Star Trek you know Voyager was blown up by the Borg and Tuvok was First officer on the U.S.S. Titan under command of Captain/ Admiral Riker. Janeway was a borg Queen. Etc Etc. It's just what story you like to follow. And I have to say I thaught Odyssey would be much more fun to have but now that I bought it it pains me that I did and thats with more ships. The only good ship I have seen is the Romulan Dreadnaught Scimtar ....
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But to topic: I'm a bit indifferent tending to ok towards Shon. Don't know much about him besides the few phrases in game missios and the meet the crew event. Would be nice to be able to read some of the Enterprises exploits ingame. Without that hes the guy that occasionally trys to kill-steal from his sister ship in tau-deva patrols and runs a weird Ody setup.
PS: I love the Enterprise F design
I do like Va'Kel Shon as a character. And I would like to see/read more about him and the Enterprise-F.
So, yeah, I agree. It would've been nice if the story was told here on the forums. Or better yet, in a featured episode in-game.
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