We demand More Butterflies! And doves! They didn't release any doves! Balloons! We want Big Red Balloons!
(Sorry, couldn't resist. Just being a wanna-be comedian. If y'all have been reading this thread, you know where I stand on this so I won't repeat myself.)
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No doubt they will eagerly tout it to be due to the largest turn out ever, and that it overwhelmed the servers. And not at all due to a likely code fault. :rolleyes:
That remains to be seen. There's no way they could just put the brakes on this current ship and its implementation, they likely spent a lot of time on money on how it is now. We'll have to see how the 5th anniversary pans out.
Guess I'll just say it here since every other thread is disappearing...
You guys are merging completely unrelated threads together, making it difficult to actually communicate. The one talking about different paths was not a bug-reporting thread but rather talking about how to access all parts of the featured episode.
I love STO and I understand that PWE and Cryptic have to make money or there's no way to keep this amazing game going.
That said, the grinding has gotten out of control ... and made all the more obvious by the anniversary "giveagrindaway" of the new science destroyers.
Here is what I'd like to suggest: Build a new mechanic in the game that reduces the amount of grinding you have to do if you are a lifetime subscriber OR if you spend "X" amount of cash on Zen each month.
Sure, make the F2P players grind until they are blue in the face ... they are getting a free game and the least they can do is "pay" with their time in the game. But the players who are padding PWE's pockets with real cash shouldn't be stuck doing the same amount of mindless, frustrating grinding that the F2P players are doing.
Let the flaming begin.
In the immortal words of Captain Sisko: "It may not be what you believe, but that doesn't make it wrong."
Don't believe the lies in this forum. I am NOT an ARC user. I play STO on Steam or not at all.
I love STO and I understand that PWE and Cryptic have to make money or there's no way to keep this amazing game going.
That said, the grinding has gotten out of control ... and made all the more obvious by the anniversary "giveagrindaway" of the new science destroyers.
Here is what I'd like to suggest: Build a new mechanic in the game that reduces the amount of grinding you have to do if you are a lifetime subscriber OR if you spend "X" amount of cash on Zen each month.
Sure, make the F2P players grind until they are blue in the face ... they are getting a free game and the least they can do is "pay" with their time in the game. But the players who are padding PWE's pockets with real cash shouldn't be stuck doing the same amount of mindless, frustrating grinding that the F2P players are doing.
Let the flaming begin.
What you're asking is not pay to reduce grind, it's free reduction of grind. Lifers get lots of free benefits, this happens to not be one of them.
I agree with OP. If you have a job there's no way you can keep up with things if you want to get and test new stuff. There's way too many things by now. Sure you can shortcut a lot of it but at the price of hundreds of dollars. And frankly that's too much.
I love STO and I understand that PWE and Cryptic have to make money or there's no way to keep this amazing game going.
That said, the grinding has gotten out of control ... and made all the more obvious by the anniversary "giveagrindaway" of the new science destroyers.
Here is what I'd like to suggest: Build a new mechanic in the game that reduces the amount of grinding you have to do if you are a lifetime subscriber OR if you spend "X" amount of cash on Zen each month.
Sure, make the F2P players grind until they are blue in the face ... they are getting a free game and the least they can do is "pay" with their time in the game. But the players who are padding PWE's pockets with real cash shouldn't be stuck doing the same amount of mindless, frustrating grinding that the F2P players are doing.
Let the flaming begin.
In this case you can in fact pay your way out of the grind. Spend some cash on keys, open some lockboxes, use your Lobi and your done.
I agree with OP. If you have a job there's no way you can keep up with things if you want to get and test new stuff. There's way too many things by now. Sure you can shortcut a lot of it but at the price of hundreds of dollars. And frankly that's too much.
Then you don't want it badly enough.
That's the ftp model. A few chumps have to pay a lot so that rest don't have to.
so your saying that I should be penalised because i dont have time to grind, ye cos thats fair, some of us have to go out to work and earn money, we dont all just play on the game all day everyday.
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I agree with OP. If you have a job there's no way you can keep up with things if you want to get and test new stuff. There's way too many things by now. Sure you can shortcut a lot of it but at the price of hundreds of dollars. And frankly that's too much.
That's the price you pay for being an adult. All the fun stuff you enjoy, you never have time for anymore. Everything is just work, sleep, work, sleep, work, sleep.
Barney the Dinosaur did not prepare us for this never ending torment.
"A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP"
But the players who are padding PWE's pockets with real cash shouldn't be stuck doing the same amount of mindless, frustrating grinding that the F2P players are doing.
this is certainly true. the idea is that people who have already paid can just pay more though, because we have infinitely deep pockets. so buy more keys for lobi. I don't think its all that fair myself
I must admit I love STO and there are some things that get me frustrated. I must spend around 400.00 a month just to help support the game and get some of the elite items. But come on people, shouldn't life time membership have some perks. I have to agree that some sort of mechanics must be put in the game for lifers like myself. If I am spending cash vs. those who don't. And why should I have to grind as hard as those who really don't support the game. Something to think about.:
Nope, you guys have milked more than your fair share of monies worth over the years.
I wouldn't object to abandoning the idea that a grind reduction be part of the lifetime subscriber perks -- I suggested it mainly just because it is still one way that people are spending real money in the game.
That said, I still think it's wrong for PWE to collect cash from players who spend real money in the game every month and still expect those same players to grind as if they are F2P players.
Not only am I a lifetimer, but I spend a set chunk of every paycheck on Zen ... and there are a lot of players like me in the game. I'm doing my taxes now and I added up everything I spent on STO in 2013 and it got into the 5-digit range. I don't regret any of it because I work hard for a good salary and STO is my main entertainment expense ... and I still have enough money to pay my bills.
Still, when people spend that kind of cash on STO then I think it's fair for PWE to say, "Thank you for helping us pay our bills. You don't have to grind quite as much as the people who pay us zip."
In the immortal words of Captain Sisko: "It may not be what you believe, but that doesn't make it wrong."
Don't believe the lies in this forum. I am NOT an ARC user. I play STO on Steam or not at all.
I wouldn't object to abandoning the idea that a grind reduction be part of the lifetime subscriber perks -- I suggested it mainly just because it is still one way that people are spending real money in the game.
That said, I still think it's wrong for PWE to collect cash from players who spend real money in the game every month and still expect those same players to grind as if they are F2P players.
Not only am I a lifetimer, but I spend a set chunk of every paycheck on Zen ... and there are a lot of players like me in the game. I'm doing my taxes now and I added up everything I spent on STO in 2013 and it got into the 5-digit range. I don't regret any of it because I work hard for a good salary and STO is my main entertainment expense ... and I still have enough money to pay my bills.
Still, when people spend that kind of cash on STO then I think it's fair for PWE to say, "Thank you for helping us pay our bills. You don't have to grind quite as much as the people who pay us zip."
clearly you're not spending enough of your zen on reducing the grind. maybe bump that up to 6 figures?
You guys do know that lts and subs couldn't sustain STO right? Hence, it was bought by pwe and became F2P and prosper. Without those F2Pers, ltsers and subers wouldn't have a game to play.
Pwe/Cryptics has already posted that there will be a release of c-store version later, so what is the problem? If you don't want to grind then wait and buy the c-store version. If you want the free ship without grinding then use lobi. Hence, pay and no grind.
In any mmo, the reward is always proportional to the work/time players put in. This year anniversary FE is way more awesome than last year. The reward ship is way better than the one from last year too. Also, I'm confused why ppl keep whining about grinding? It only take a few mins to do the missions. If you call that grinding, then perhaps you should stop playing mmo.
I'm a ltser and frankly, I'm annoyed by all the attitudes other ltsers who act like spoiled children. For the love of logic, with all the perks - free vet stuff, free zen - we all have gotten back more than 200$ we spent. So stop acting high and mighty.
I wouldn't object to abandoning the idea that a grind reduction be part of the lifetime subscriber perks -- I suggested it mainly just because it is still one way that people are spending real money in the game.
That said, I still think it's wrong for PWE to collect cash from players who spend real money in the game every month and still expect those same players to grind as if they are F2P players.
Not only am I a lifetimer, but I spend a set chunk of every paycheck on Zen ... and there are a lot of players like me in the game. I'm doing my taxes now and I added up everything I spent on STO in 2013 and it got into the 5-digit range. I don't regret any of it because I work hard for a good salary and STO is my main entertainment expense ... and I still have enough money to pay my bills.
Still, when people spend that kind of cash on STO then I think it's fair for PWE to say, "Thank you for helping us pay our bills. You don't have to grind quite as much as the people who pay us zip."
Well, you kind of already have plenty of perks. Unlimted Dil refining, Playable borg, no currency cap, exclusive ships, shuttles and social areas and other stuff. I mean, really, you've gotten plenty over the years. Expecting even more because you toss cash around is kinda jerkish. Especially when you infer that Free players are beneath your status. That's just rude.
"A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP"
You guys do know that lts and subs couldn't sustain STO right? Hence, it was bought by pwe and became F2P and prosper. Without those F2Pers, ltsers and subers wouldn't have a game to play.
Pwe/Cryptics has already posted that there will be a release of c-store version later, so what is the problem? If you don't want to grind then wait and buy the c-store version. If you want the free ship without grinding then use lobi. Hence, pay and no grind.
In any mmo, the reward is always proportional to the work/time players put in. This year anniversary FE is way more awesome than last year. The reward ship is way better than the one from last year too. Also, I'm confused why ppl keep whining about grinding? It only take a few mins to do the missions. If you call that grinding, then perhaps you should stop playing mmo.
I'm a ltser and frankly, I'm annoyed by all the attitudes other ltsers who act like spoiled children. For the love of logic, with all the perks - free vet stuff, free zen - we all have gotten back more than 200$ we spent. So stop acting high and mighty.
without the subbers and lifetimers there wouldn't have been a game TO save
If you think about it, after the regular episodes, there are now 2 Featured Episodes. After reaching level 50, the only thing left is grinding.
The difference is that those of us that are free to play have to grind the same stuff as those that pay, and more. Every bank upgrade, the account bank, and all the other unlocks that paying players get, we all have to grind for, on top of the regular grind.
Also, the vet. rewards, there is no way that free to play can get those at all. The ships, etc.
Don't get me wrong. I am not complaining here. I have no problem having to grind both the things paying players need to, PLUS grinding for the things that paying members get without the grind.
However, if the regular grind, that is actually the end game content, is reduced for paying players, then what is left for them to do. It will be like being able to skip to the end of the game faster. When all the grinding is done, and all the episodes are done, what is there left to do?
By not giving a reduction, on top of all the other benefits paying players get, they are giving something to players to do. Granted, it is boring a lot of times, because it is the same thing all the time. But, at least there is something.
When there is nothing left to grind, what will there be to do?
I am all for rewards being given to paying players. I completely support the free rewards that I have to grind for months to get, and even the ones like the vet rewards that all the grinding in the game will not give me a chance to get. I would love to be able to get one of the vet. ships.
Even the 500 Zen each month would be nice. It would help cut my grind down by a lot. Not to mention that paying players can also refine an extra 1000 dilithium in 2 days. That is an extra 500 per day. In 30 days, that is 15,000 refined dilithium, plus the 8,000 normally.
So, since the free benefits that are now given to paying players are not worth it, would anyone wanting a reduction in the end game content be willing to give up the 500 Zen each month, or any of the other benefits to trade for this?
If so, I would love to have any of the benefits that were only for paying players made available to free to play.
Even if I had the money, I would not expect EVERYTHING in the game to be made easy for me.
If you total up all the rewards that are given to paying players, that free to play don't have a chance at, it is already a lot. Is there no end to what paying players should be given?
Just curious.
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We demand More Butterflies! And doves! They didn't release any doves! Balloons! We want Big Red Balloons!
(Sorry, couldn't resist. Just being a wanna-be comedian. If y'all have been reading this thread, you know where I stand on this so I won't repeat myself.)
Link: How to PM - Twitter @STOMod_Bluegeek
So that's where the butterflies went...
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No, I think the wiki pasting idiots crashed the server by copying the entirety of wikipedia over into the STO chatbox....
No doubt they will eagerly tout it to be due to the largest turn out ever, and that it overwhelmed the servers. And not at all due to a likely code fault. :rolleyes:
That remains to be seen. There's no way they could just put the brakes on this current ship and its implementation, they likely spent a lot of time on money on how it is now. We'll have to see how the 5th anniversary pans out.
You guys are merging completely unrelated threads together, making it difficult to actually communicate. The one talking about different paths was not a bug-reporting thread but rather talking about how to access all parts of the featured episode.
Hold onto them. Apparently they'll be useful "in the future".
So yay for the inevitable 5th Anniversary Grind.
That said, the grinding has gotten out of control ... and made all the more obvious by the anniversary "giveagrindaway" of the new science destroyers.
Here is what I'd like to suggest: Build a new mechanic in the game that reduces the amount of grinding you have to do if you are a lifetime subscriber OR if you spend "X" amount of cash on Zen each month.
Sure, make the F2P players grind until they are blue in the face ... they are getting a free game and the least they can do is "pay" with their time in the game. But the players who are padding PWE's pockets with real cash shouldn't be stuck doing the same amount of mindless, frustrating grinding that the F2P players are doing.
Let the flaming begin.
Don't believe the lies in this forum. I am NOT an ARC user. I play STO on Steam or not at all.
But i'm in a bad mood with Cryptic's decisions. So right now, I don't.
What you're asking is not pay to reduce grind, it's free reduction of grind. Lifers get lots of free benefits, this happens to not be one of them.
You can spend lobi to reduce grind.
In this case you can in fact pay your way out of the grind. Spend some cash on keys, open some lockboxes, use your Lobi and your done.
Then you don't want it badly enough.
That's the ftp model. A few chumps have to pay a lot so that rest don't have to.
Nope, you guys have milked more than your fair share of monies worth over the years.
Kirk's Protege.
You say that like it's a good thing.
That's the price you pay for being an adult. All the fun stuff you enjoy, you never have time for anymore. Everything is just work, sleep, work, sleep, work, sleep.
Barney the Dinosaur did not prepare us for this never ending torment.
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
this is certainly true. the idea is that people who have already paid can just pay more though, because we have infinitely deep pockets. so buy more keys for lobi. I don't think its all that fair myself
I wouldn't object to abandoning the idea that a grind reduction be part of the lifetime subscriber perks -- I suggested it mainly just because it is still one way that people are spending real money in the game.
That said, I still think it's wrong for PWE to collect cash from players who spend real money in the game every month and still expect those same players to grind as if they are F2P players.
Not only am I a lifetimer, but I spend a set chunk of every paycheck on Zen ... and there are a lot of players like me in the game. I'm doing my taxes now and I added up everything I spent on STO in 2013 and it got into the 5-digit range. I don't regret any of it because I work hard for a good salary and STO is my main entertainment expense ... and I still have enough money to pay my bills.
Still, when people spend that kind of cash on STO then I think it's fair for PWE to say, "Thank you for helping us pay our bills. You don't have to grind quite as much as the people who pay us zip."
Don't believe the lies in this forum. I am NOT an ARC user. I play STO on Steam or not at all.
clearly you're not spending enough of your zen on reducing the grind. maybe bump that up to 6 figures?
Pwe/Cryptics has already posted that there will be a release of c-store version later, so what is the problem? If you don't want to grind then wait and buy the c-store version. If you want the free ship without grinding then use lobi. Hence, pay and no grind.
In any mmo, the reward is always proportional to the work/time players put in. This year anniversary FE is way more awesome than last year. The reward ship is way better than the one from last year too. Also, I'm confused why ppl keep whining about grinding? It only take a few mins to do the missions. If you call that grinding, then perhaps you should stop playing mmo.
I'm a ltser and frankly, I'm annoyed by all the attitudes other ltsers who act like spoiled children. For the love of logic, with all the perks - free vet stuff, free zen - we all have gotten back more than 200$ we spent. So stop acting high and mighty.
Well, you kind of already have plenty of perks. Unlimted Dil refining, Playable borg, no currency cap, exclusive ships, shuttles and social areas and other stuff. I mean, really, you've gotten plenty over the years. Expecting even more because you toss cash around is kinda jerkish. Especially when you infer that Free players are beneath your status. That's just rude.
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
without the subbers and lifetimers there wouldn't have been a game TO save
The difference is that those of us that are free to play have to grind the same stuff as those that pay, and more. Every bank upgrade, the account bank, and all the other unlocks that paying players get, we all have to grind for, on top of the regular grind.
Also, the vet. rewards, there is no way that free to play can get those at all. The ships, etc.
Don't get me wrong. I am not complaining here. I have no problem having to grind both the things paying players need to, PLUS grinding for the things that paying members get without the grind.
However, if the regular grind, that is actually the end game content, is reduced for paying players, then what is left for them to do. It will be like being able to skip to the end of the game faster. When all the grinding is done, and all the episodes are done, what is there left to do?
By not giving a reduction, on top of all the other benefits paying players get, they are giving something to players to do. Granted, it is boring a lot of times, because it is the same thing all the time. But, at least there is something.
When there is nothing left to grind, what will there be to do?
I am all for rewards being given to paying players. I completely support the free rewards that I have to grind for months to get, and even the ones like the vet rewards that all the grinding in the game will not give me a chance to get. I would love to be able to get one of the vet. ships.
Even the 500 Zen each month would be nice. It would help cut my grind down by a lot. Not to mention that paying players can also refine an extra 1000 dilithium in 2 days. That is an extra 500 per day. In 30 days, that is 15,000 refined dilithium, plus the 8,000 normally.
So, since the free benefits that are now given to paying players are not worth it, would anyone wanting a reduction in the end game content be willing to give up the 500 Zen each month, or any of the other benefits to trade for this?
If so, I would love to have any of the benefits that were only for paying players made available to free to play.
Even if I had the money, I would not expect EVERYTHING in the game to be made easy for me.
If you total up all the rewards that are given to paying players, that free to play don't have a chance at, it is already a lot. Is there no end to what paying players should be given?
Just curious.
Ever the server doesn't like this hideous Anniversary Work Detail grind-o-rama. :cool:
They don't have a choice. They've run out of related threads to merge in an attempt to bury all the complaints.