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  • pyrogxmk3pyrogxmk3 Member Posts: 206 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I'm experiencing significantly higher cycles, and consequently heat and battery usage as long as arc is on. I've had to turn the graphics down for Crystalline Entity ever since this "update".

    There's just no two ways about it: With arc even minimized to background tray, my laptop's fan is running permanently (the system runs cool enough when not playing games for this not to occur in a 20C room). The new Arc beta takes my battery life when not plugged into a wall from 5 hours to barely 2.

    Exit Arc, and the thing cools down in seconds.

    Sometimes change is good. This is nowhere near those times.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I just saw a report on Fox News that the California State Legislature just passed a Resolution that says that internet companies have to disclose all functions of their programs.

    So, I hope we can get full disclosure about ARC and it's questionable functions like the Hard Drive scanning, the possible spyware issue, as well as why it takes up so much memory.
  • coldfusion2012coldfusion2012 Member Posts: 47 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    as cool as arc is with its easy to navigate menus and information at hand without searching throu sto website i for 1 can not use,it is WAY too heavy to run when i running STO

    simply by just running arc it causes sto to stall,rubber band and most other connection issues you get from server hopping across the Atlantic

    my connection to sto on last hop is 183 ms
    this is make or brake for me as if i run anything internet connection based while using sto
    i get continually timed out

    i run the same test with arc running and last connection was 352 ms on last hop
    sorry to say the live update the arc gets simply kills my connection

    there are many factors with the connection from UK to cryptic that neither me or cryptic can sort without them putting a sister server in the UK

    and before i get smart Alec remarks saying change you provider, the servers that i get diverted too in order to connect to cryptic would be the same servers regardless of which provider i use

    if it was not for the fact that i rebooted my comp few months back i would never have downloaded arc my advice is if you experience server timeout and constant rubber-banding load game client bypassing arc

    FYI if you do this when the game gets patched you will have too use arc for the patch to successfully install
    bring back the old launcher
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  • lukem2409lukem2409 Member Posts: 100 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I've been wondering, I've seen a couple threads and signatures in regards to this and don't know why?
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  • gonaliusgonalius Member Posts: 893 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Wild belief that its a tool of the Chinese Government to spy on random peoples computers seems to be the main reason.

    That and its just not necessary - I'll wager the vast majority of people will only use the launcher portion of it, so why bother replacing the current launcher?
  • rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    What I have works fine. Need nothing else. Do not want anything else.

    Do not force me to download more TRIBBLE to make this game launch.

    Sums it up for me.
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  • thedodgehopperthedodgehopper Member Posts: 119 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Its more an issue of we don't like having to run any extra programs on our system than are necessary. Arc is fine if its not necessary, the problem is that it is necessary which makes it
    insidious. Just because other companies do it doesn't mean we have to like it. I think if that one element of it were changed a lot more people would be happy with it.
  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    What I have works fine. Need nothing else. Do not want anything else.

    Do not force me to download more TRIBBLE to make this game launch.

    Sums it up for me.

    Same for me. I don't hate it, I just don't need it.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    1. It's designed to run in the background (although apparently this will not be necessary, making the concept even worse), using resources that some people may need.
    2. It's a platform designed to expose the user to PWE's other games, in the hopes of luring them into those, and grab money from them, and judging from the amount of people who are easily lured by the grab-bags they will be making big money from this.
    3. It replaces a perfectly functional launcher.
    4. There is some concern that code may be hidden to detect... whatever... Since it is not OpenSource, we have no way of confirming or denying it at this point, and it is not unreasonable to assume that they would do this.

    And these are just the points I could create just now... There are more.
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  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Any superfluous piece of sofware isn't welcome on my laptop. Definitely if it is meant to keep running in the background.

    And it doesn't bring anything positive for me (I currently have all the connectivity I need in my browser), hence the choice is simple: I'm against being imposed Arc as a necessary tool to launch STO.
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    Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    well they will not lure this one to their other games mark my words on that
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    1. It's designed to run in the background (although apparently this will not be necessary, making the concept even worse), using resources that some people may need.
    2. It's a platform designed to expose the user to PWE's other games, in the hopes of luring them into those, and grab money from them, and judging from the amount of people who are easily lured by the grab-bags they will be making big money from this.
    3. It replaces a perfectly functional launcher.
    4. There is some concern that code may be hidden to detect... whatever... Since it is not OpenSource, we have no way of confirming or denying it at this point, and it is not unreasonable to assume that they would do this.

    And these are just the points I could create just now... There are more.

    This, basically. I don't need any adware-launcher-web 2.0 thingy to slow down my system and mine for data, especially since I don't give two squeals about PWE and their asia grinders.
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  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Because no one likes spyware. Period.
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  • warpetwarpet Member Posts: 506 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    idk why ppl do not like but it dose works a lot better to me then staem at least dose not upload something all the time while online like staem dose
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    warpet wrote: »
    idk why ppl do not like but it dose works a lot better to me then staem at least dose not upload something all the time while online like staem dose

    Uninstall Steam... problem solved... A problem you most likely won't be able to solve with Arc...

    Oh and btw: Originally steam also only served as a launching platform... Over time however...
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • crownvic2doorcrownvic2door Member Posts: 301 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Its a pre launcher you have to have arc running before you can start the launcher but only by clicking the shortcut through arc...any other way and you end up with the launcher stuck on "patching" its to do away with Botting....which DOES happen despite what people say...If you pvp against certain fleets you will know this. because of this we all get a pre launcher launcher shoved down our necks. the rest of it is to showcase the other games.


    that is why we have arc...and it slows down the game on this old pc, I had to turn down my graphics because of it. On new hardware you guys shouldn't have an issue.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    warpet wrote: »
    idk why ppl do not like but it dose works a lot better to me then staem at least dose not upload something all the time while online like staem dose

    options are your friend steam setting are your friend right click on game in steam is your friend

    and i will take steam any day over any thing PWE
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • lukem2409lukem2409 Member Posts: 100 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Ah TRIBBLE so how do I run it via Steam then????? I wanna switch asap.
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    lukem2409 wrote: »
    Ah TRIBBLE so how do I run it via Steam then????? I wanna switch asap.

    you can try one of 2 ways move your sto in to steam and pray you dont have to download again or you just going to have to re-download
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    lukem2409 wrote: »
    Ah TRIBBLE so how do I run it via Steam then????? I wanna switch asap.

    Download Steam, find STO in Search function, install...

    It's fairly simple actually.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • lukem2409lukem2409 Member Posts: 100 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Scratch that did it.
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  • lukem2409lukem2409 Member Posts: 100 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I just went add non steam game and uninstalled Arc. It was due for a launcher patch so it's just doing 20mb at the moment looks fine. I stupidly went looking for the STO files under Cryptic without realising it's in the PWE folder.
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  • kantazo1kantazo1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    lukem2409 wrote: »
    I've been wondering, I've seen a couple threads and signatures in regards to this and don't know why?

    It is a tool designed by the NSA the NWO and the Chinese Intelligence Agency (hint hint, check initials) to keep tab on us so in the future they can give us the Mark of the Beast, they also track what we do, when we sleep, what do we eat, at what time we take showers, when we go to the bathroom, what temperature is in our home, etc etc.

    So no thank you, now back to wear my tin foil hat I don't want the satellites to X-ray my brain. :D:D
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  • charliescot25charliescot25 Member Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    This is why I went and used the Steam's version now.
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  • fraghul2000fraghul2000 Member Posts: 1,590 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    A Chinese company is trying to have me install mandatory software that has been used as spyware, by other, more trustworthy companies in the past, both openly and hidden, and which serves absolutely no purpose for me other than to deliver advertising and slow down my system. No thanks.
  • lukem2409lukem2409 Member Posts: 100 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Well I uninstalled arc and am running my game through steam now, arc's completely gone from my system.

    Now another question are the remastered Fed missions on tribble??
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    lukem2409 wrote: »
    Well I uninstalled arc and am running my game through steam now, arc's completely gone from my system.

    i would run a virus scan for baby ARC's :P
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • bluwolfbluwolf Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    well i pre-ordered sto when it first came out. an i have played other pwe games an there TRIBBLE. an i will not use arc. if need be , i'll use steam but for now i'll use my og laucher . arc will never see my pc. :P:P:P:P
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  • nyxadrillnyxadrill Member Posts: 1,242 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    This is why I went and used the Steam's version now.

    Coincidentally I've just done this exact same thing.

    If I'm going to have to use a launcher I'd rather use one I know and that has a selection of games from wider afield than one company.

    I find it amusing how they have inadvertently pushed people towards Steam ;)
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