If you are posting on the forums at all, you are in a minority.
Hey, I made exactly that same thought a few weeks ago or so in a thread...didn't end well. People don't like being told that kinda stuff apparently.
Anyways, I get annoyed by the 'Admiral/General' thing because I get ordered around by people clearly not equal or higher rank than me in terms of in-game lore. However, the worse thing isn't really that, it's more that, as a VA/LG I don't feel like I have any power to command OTHERS.
Like other ships you own in some kind of battle group. Think about how astoundingly awesome that would be if you had your own private little group of your ships (with all the gear, BOFF powers, and other fun stuff) that obeyed your orders, would use things when you wanted them to, etc.
It'd let us feel like we had power over something, along with giving greater usage to other ships we have.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Jonathan Archer- Captain who went on to become Fleet Admiral, later served two terms as Federation President.
James T Kirk- Captain who was promoted to Rear Admiral, later demoted to Captain again.
Jean Luc Picard- Captain, stayed there at Kirk's urging.
Benjamin Sisko- Captain, stayed there due to being an alien all along, also leaving the material plane.
Kathrine Janeway- Captain, promoted to Vice Admiral amazingly quickly upon return.
Alternate verse William T. Riker makes Full Admiral.
There are plenty of examples of main characters being made admirals of various levels. Also, I'm an Archduke, as long as people call me "your grace" I don't care what military title they call me by. Just as I'm sure his imperial majesty our Emperor or Mr. President of the Federation don't care much for a trivial military rank.
(It's a game, have fun with it. Use your imagination to fix anything you don't like.)
Edit: That is how I explain all the craziness of "being a vice admiral" ordered around by lesser ranked people. I'm here observing the captain of a ship as I tour the galaxy on a good will mission. It's my first mate Boff that is the actual captain of the ship. We just do things to help out as part of that good will mission. We can always say no but its not good for diplomatic relations between the Federation and the Free March Confederacy.
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Would take being called Captain by NPC's without blinking an eye. Feels more Trek... I don't even wear the Admiral pips anymore & wearing the captain ones, because well... it's sillllyyyyy to have so many Admirals.
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Sorry, I want to remain an admiral. But that doesn't mean I want to force it on everyone. Ranks should be separate titles from level so we can choose to be who we want.
There was mention of possibly changing things so that if you were using a rank-based title (Captain, Commander, Et all) then NPC's would use that to refer to you instead of your in-game rank, but that was quite some time ago and I haven't heard about it for a while.
I'm so used to gaming abstractions that I don't sweat the small stuff anymore. It's never going to be perfect, but it is good enough for me. I just re-write what doesn't jive with me in my personal fiction and move on. I like my stuff better then other peoples, anyway :P
Tho... I never quite understood why, instead of us being Lt.s in command of a ship why we weren't just whatever rank we had in the game before captain, and instead of commanding the ship we were just at the conn when we were in space missions... I can be at Lt. and pilot a ship... I don't need to be in the Captain's chair the whole damned game... You could even have a cool cutscene when your beloved Captain Kathryn Luc Siskirk dies and gives you an epic speech before you take command... Oh well a bit late for it... but what could have been...
Edit: A lot of times, when I'm on a ToS kick, I'll put on my nurses uniform, set my title to nurse, and be the lowest ranking member of my own away team, under Commander Tutorial Boff (I always forget her name, I ret-conned her to replace my old trusted XO.)
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*Laughs again, just like on the "Space Revamp Discussion" thread, only this time, I laugh for 45 seconds instead of 30* I don't think so. *Continues giggling*
Every on screen Star Trek 'hero' about which a series revolved was a Captain.
The one long term exception was Kirk...which he lamented about in almost every scene and was finally 'demoted' back to his 'hero' rank of Captain as a reward for all his service.
I totally agree that we should all be Captain's as the highest rank (not LEVEL) obtainable in the game - except for the Fleet (guild) Leaders. They should get the Admiral title as they are actually fulfilling the role of Admiral responsibilities. (and this would bring the ration of captains and admirals in the game back to canon levels)
And as far as commanding 'pet' "fleets", Captains can do that just fine - look as Sisko. :P
We should be being addressed by NPCs by out chosen title. That way this whole rank thing is mute. Demoting the current glut of Admirals would also be a terrible thing, so grandfather them in and have all new characters cap at the Captain rank title (with again, only guild leaders getting the Admiral rank title unlocked).
ya and one who like to be admiral and not be apart of fleet ya thats going to go over well.........
and most of the time that sisko you talk about was his mission so of course he would lead the fleet........ and Admiral Ross told him that in one EP think the one to retake DS9
I think the 'majority' you speak of who are against him are the 'vocal' majority of the Forums (from rough estimates, about 5% of the game population).
did you read his title of this thread ??? something tells me no for all i know that majority he talks of is him and his 5 buddy fleet just saying
I don't see what the big deal is with what NPCs call you. You can set your pips to anything between ensign to VA. Hell, the NPCs think you're the only one doing(or have done) whatever the story calls for you to do, when that's obviously not the case, so I wouldn't give much importance to what they call me if I were you.
I don't see what the big deal is with what NPCs call you. You can set your pips to anything between ensign to VA. Hell, the NPCs think you're the only one doing(or have done) whatever the story calls for you to do, when that's obviously not the case, so I wouldn't give much importance to what they call me if I were you.
There's no need to be so rude. I was just politely stating my opinion
i am sorry for being rude but this admiral thing is just silly its a game its just PC code that says your a admiral its pixels that shows you as a admiral but some here thinks if they are not called Captain in Tex aka code and pixels its going to be the end of the game for them
i am sorry for being rude but this admiral thing is just silly its a game its just PC code that says your a admiral its pixels that shows you as a admiral but some here thinks if they are not called Captain in Tex aka code and pixels its going to be the end of the game for them
Apology accepted
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I look at this thread and think that the vast majority don't even visit this forum, and that I doubt very much if the OP actually knows what the vast majority may or may not think.
Post your own opinion about things by all means, but please don't claim to be representing any sort of majority.
Yep. We all know it, having player captains be of Admiral rank is silly, breaking immersion, un-Trek and stupid on many levels.
If I could just voice one wish about STO, it would be to have my toons stay Captain (Starfleet), Captain or HoD (Klingons), or Commander/Riov (Romulans).
Please.
You assuming Cryptic is abiding strictly by Canon, hate to give you a rude awakening, but canon went out the window the moment the game launched.
It is merely another sci fi game with a Trek label stuck unto it, anything goes.
The best you can do is RP, by that I mean change your titles to Captain, go to the tailor and change your pips to Captain, and remain a Captain via RP means. Star Trek Online DOES NOT REPRESENT the PRIME Star Trek Universe, though its gameplay is based off it.
Whatever rank they want to invent is now fine by me, it is just another game like any other in the MMO aspect of things.
You assuming Cryptic is abiding strictly by Canon, hate to give you a rude awakening, but canon went out the window the moment the game launched.
It is merely another sci fi game with a Trek label stuck unto it, anything goes.
The best you can do is RP, by that I mean change your titles to Captain, go to the tailor and change your pips to Captain, and remain a Captain via RP means. Star Trek Online DOES NOT REPRESENT the PRIME Star Trek Universe, though its gameplay is based off it.
Whatever rank they want to invent is now fine by me, it is just another game like any other in the MMO aspect of things.
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We do need a Rank Selector that uses certain titles as well like Master Chef that determines what the npcs call us. We also need Admiral content like being able to control our unused ships and having them help us in combat and sending the others out of missions similar to duty officer assignments. Right now, there is no difference between a Captain or Admiral.
I find letting the Admirals to command their own ship to be a defense mechanism. If most of the Admirals are flying on their own ship instead of Starfleet HQ, then it is unlikely for some enemy race to attack Starfleet HQ and destroy the entire command structure of Starfleet.
Speak for yourself, I like my Admiral rank. I've never seen him ordered by lower ranked officers and I pick a chose the missions I want to do, yep sounds like an admiral to me
We do need a Rank Selector that uses certain titles as well like Master Chef that determines what the npcs call us. We also need Admiral content like being able to control our unused ships and having them help us in combat and sending the others out of missions similar to duty officer assignments. Right now, there is no difference between a Captain or Admiral.
and the Dev talked about something like that back in year one but something tells me its easier said than done hek dont take me wrong i like to have something like it as well so NPC call me praetor
I find letting the Admirals to command their own ship to be a defense mechanism. If most of the Admirals are flying on their own ship instead of Starfleet HQ, then it is unlikely for some enemy race to attack Starfleet HQ and destroy the entire command structure of Starfleet.
maybe if this was done in DS9 breen never would have made it to earth ?
Make your own Fleet if you are that desparate for an Admiral title - it's not hard.
That would make Captain rank become the default end-game rank - as it should be in a Star Trek game where the heroes are starship commanders.
And might actually have the rank of Admiral mean something.
dont need to already have one and if you are that desperate for some NPC to call you captain do this imagine they did i know new thing but its easy to do i assure you it is
Umm, Klingons and Romulans STARTED OUT as allies in TOS, hell they even traded ships to some degree. Romulans flew D7s on a regular basis in those days, for example.
Hell, it was a significant plot point that the Romulans broke the alliance and betrayed the Klingons, which is what prompted them to ally with the Federation instead in the TNG era.
The Klingon Empire allied with the Romulans and at (some degree of) war with the Federation is not an aberration it is in fact a return to the original status quo.
As I keep pointing out, most of the Klingons we see in TNG outside of Worf's family are still covertly allied with the Romulans and in general we've never seen a Klingon onscreen who is both anti-Federation and anti-Romulan. Every Klingon we see is an ally of one or the other except for Gowron.
Well, and Chang. Chang was working with Federation AND Romulans.
The idea that they're against both mainly boils down to Klingon fans trying to reconcile all the Klingons we see onscreen into one set of views and it's a bit like two blind men trying to describe an elephant.
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Hey, I made exactly that same thought a few weeks ago or so in a thread...didn't end well. People don't like being told that kinda stuff apparently.
Anyways, I get annoyed by the 'Admiral/General' thing because I get ordered around by people clearly not equal or higher rank than me in terms of in-game lore. However, the worse thing isn't really that, it's more that, as a VA/LG I don't feel like I have any power to command OTHERS.
Like other ships you own in some kind of battle group. Think about how astoundingly awesome that would be if you had your own private little group of your ships (with all the gear, BOFF powers, and other fun stuff) that obeyed your orders, would use things when you wanted them to, etc.
It'd let us feel like we had power over something, along with giving greater usage to other ships we have.
James T Kirk- Captain who was promoted to Rear Admiral, later demoted to Captain again.
Jean Luc Picard- Captain, stayed there at Kirk's urging.
Benjamin Sisko- Captain, stayed there due to being an alien all along, also leaving the material plane.
Kathrine Janeway- Captain, promoted to Vice Admiral amazingly quickly upon return.
Alternate verse William T. Riker makes Full Admiral.
There are plenty of examples of main characters being made admirals of various levels. Also, I'm an Archduke, as long as people call me "your grace" I don't care what military title they call me by. Just as I'm sure his imperial majesty our Emperor or Mr. President of the Federation don't care much for a trivial military rank.
(It's a game, have fun with it. Use your imagination to fix anything you don't like.)
Edit: That is how I explain all the craziness of "being a vice admiral" ordered around by lesser ranked people. I'm here observing the captain of a ship as I tour the galaxy on a good will mission. It's my first mate Boff that is the actual captain of the ship. We just do things to help out as part of that good will mission. We can always say no but its not good for diplomatic relations between the Federation and the Free March Confederacy.
A Starfleet with more Admirals and then captains? Seriously? People are defending that?
you know why because this is what do you call them thing you play with controller? ah ya a GAME!!!!!!!
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I'm so used to gaming abstractions that I don't sweat the small stuff anymore. It's never going to be perfect, but it is good enough for me. I just re-write what doesn't jive with me in my personal fiction and move on. I like my stuff better then other peoples, anyway :P
Tho... I never quite understood why, instead of us being Lt.s in command of a ship why we weren't just whatever rank we had in the game before captain, and instead of commanding the ship we were just at the conn when we were in space missions... I can be at Lt. and pilot a ship... I don't need to be in the Captain's chair the whole damned game... You could even have a cool cutscene when your beloved Captain Kathryn Luc Siskirk dies and gives you an epic speech before you take command... Oh well a bit late for it... but what could have been...
Edit: A lot of times, when I'm on a ToS kick, I'll put on my nurses uniform, set my title to nurse, and be the lowest ranking member of my own away team, under Commander Tutorial Boff (I always forget her name, I ret-conned her to replace my old trusted XO.)
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ya and one who like to be admiral and not be apart of fleet ya thats going to go over well.........
and most of the time that sisko you talk about was his mission so of course he would lead the fleet........ and Admiral Ross told him that in one EP think the one to retake DS9
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did you read his title of this thread ??? something tells me no for all i know that majority he talks of is him and his 5 buddy fleet just saying
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because it dont fit in with their immersion
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There's no need to be so rude. I was just politely stating my opinion
i am sorry for being rude but this admiral thing is just silly its a game its just PC code that says your a admiral its pixels that shows you as a admiral but some here thinks if they are not called Captain in Tex aka code and pixels its going to be the end of the game for them
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Apology accepted
Post your own opinion about things by all means, but please don't claim to be representing any sort of majority.
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You assuming Cryptic is abiding strictly by Canon, hate to give you a rude awakening, but canon went out the window the moment the game launched.
It is merely another sci fi game with a Trek label stuck unto it, anything goes.
The best you can do is RP, by that I mean change your titles to Captain, go to the tailor and change your pips to Captain, and remain a Captain via RP means. Star Trek Online DOES NOT REPRESENT the PRIME Star Trek Universe, though its gameplay is based off it.
Whatever rank they want to invent is now fine by me, it is just another game like any other in the MMO aspect of things.
sinf sinf i thought it was all real i go cry not you told me it was not real its santa all over again
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I find letting the Admirals to command their own ship to be a defense mechanism. If most of the Admirals are flying on their own ship instead of Starfleet HQ, then it is unlikely for some enemy race to attack Starfleet HQ and destroy the entire command structure of Starfleet.
and the Dev talked about something like that back in year one but something tells me its easier said than done hek dont take me wrong i like to have something like it as well so NPC call me praetor
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maybe if this was done in DS9 breen never would have made it to earth ?
system Lord Baal is dead
dont need to already have one and if you are that desperate for some NPC to call you captain do this imagine they did
system Lord Baal is dead
As I keep pointing out, most of the Klingons we see in TNG outside of Worf's family are still covertly allied with the Romulans and in general we've never seen a Klingon onscreen who is both anti-Federation and anti-Romulan. Every Klingon we see is an ally of one or the other except for Gowron.
Well, and Chang. Chang was working with Federation AND Romulans.
The idea that they're against both mainly boils down to Klingon fans trying to reconcile all the Klingons we see onscreen into one set of views and it's a bit like two blind men trying to describe an elephant.