My problem is that after a while fighting against someone with alot of protection that I can't penetrate (gigidy), i get bored and take alot of risks. But I think you already noticed this behaviour from me in our fights?
Indeed. And, frankly, I came a lot closer to losing to you than to Dius. Yours is a solid build with plenty of DPS and good defense. So, again, it comes down to skill...and, apparently, patience.
Note: We could all learn a thing or two from Val Kilmer's "Iceman" character from Top Gun. He just wears you down until you make a mistake and then...
Further more you (being iskan) keep talking about these rules that are somehow set in stone by the pvp gods. If you could link is to a forum where these rules are clearly defined that would be great.
In reference to Jacob and Torach.
Every build has a counter where you think it or not. But something to consider is the pilot himself anyone can go out and buy a bugship but that doesn't mean they are a great player.
Further more you (being iskan) keep talking about these rules that are somehow set in stone by the pvp gods. If you could link is to a forum where these rules are clearly defined that would be great.
In reference to Jacob and Torach.
Every build has a counter where you think it or not. But something to consider is the pilot himself anyone can go out and buy a bugship but that doesn't mean they are a great player.
Yeah, I agree, there is no such thing as an unbeatable build. Every build has a counter.
I love to make silly builds that makes people go "wtf just happened". And i know those builds has weaknesses. But I want people to beat me, so i can try my best to counter it in the future.
"Better were the days when mastery o' space came not from bargains struck with eldritch creatures... but from the sweat of a man's brow and the strength of his back alone. Ye all know thi's to be true!"
Indeed. And, frankly, I came a lot closer to losing to you than to Dius. Yours is a solid build with plenty of DPS and good defense. So, again, it comes down to skill...and, apparently, patience.
Note: We could all learn a thing or two from Val Kilmer's "Iceman" character from Top Gun. He just wears you down until you make a mistake and then...
RCK
You have a strong pressure build, and what kills me every time is your more or less perfect timing, and that i loose patience and take risks.. :P
If I would learn to cope with your timing, and work on my patience + abit tweak on my build(I don't like tweaking builds just to beat one spesific player), I think i could manage to take you down after some time. But your a player that I need to learn over time to cope with.
There is a huge difference between a player that crunches numbers and build by that, and the player that tries out any combination to see if it works, and get a "feel" for it. I'm that kind of player. And those are the player I love fighting. Those players have real skill.
There are about 5 players that i have faught that i have to bow down to when it comes to pure skill. You and Dius are two of them. *sidenote*I don't considder decloaking alphastrikers that wait till your skills are on cooldown and decloaks right after you have killed someone in kerrat and catching you totally offguard is based on skill, thats pure ganking, allthough some of them makes me go wtf, how he do so much damage, and all cudos to those players that manages to create so strong alphastrikers.*/sidenote*
"Theorists supposedly knows everything, but can't get it to work properly... Practicians gets it to work, but doesn't always know why."
"Better were the days when mastery o' space came not from bargains struck with eldritch creatures... but from the sweat of a man's brow and the strength of his back alone. Ye all know thi's to be true!"
Well then Torach >.> I am a number cruncher and I've had moderate success >.> I see how it is. I just prefer to have solid data before making a decision on things the numbers help me dictate what I believe will work vs what won't before I make an investment that is likely to not produce returns.
Once I've created a build I create a "proof of concept" build that helps me get a feel for the build and how it plays, to see it's strengths and weaknesses in a live combat situation. Different people prefer different methods. I suppose I'm more of a hybrid.
But because you "go with the flow" I can see how that can be advantageous. Instead of spending hours crunching data you just skip straight to the testing phase to see what tweaks work and what doesn't I suppose this allows you to get used to the ships setup and play style much faster than I.
Me being a math major, I like to fiddle with numbers.
I've got some ideas for that breen ship of yours :P
You have a strong pressure build, and what kills me every time is your more or less perfect timing, and that i loose patience and take risks.. :P
If I would learn to cope with your timing, and work on my patience + abit tweak on my build(I don't like tweaking builds just to beat one spesific player), I think i could manage to take you down after some time. But your a player that I need to learn over time to cope with.
There is a huge difference between a player that crunches numbers and build by that, and the player that tries out any combination to see if it works, and get a "feel" for it. I'm that kind of player. And those are the player I love fighting. Those players have real skill.
There are about 5 players that i have faught that i have to bow down to when it comes to pure skill. You and Dius are two of them. *sidenote*I don't considder decloaking alphastrikers that wait till your skills are on cooldown and decloaks right after you have killed someone in kerrat and catching you totally offguard is based on skill, thats pure ganking, allthough some of them makes me go wtf, how he do so much damage, and all cudos to those players that manages to create so strong alphastrikers.*/sidenote*
"Theorists supposedly knows everything, but can't get it to work properly... Practicians gets it to work, but doesn't always know why."
There is one word against RCK : Subnuke. Nothing else matters. The high pressure Sci with FBP he spoke of is in fact a Tactical without Subnuke. Rest assured, someone new is coming up the ranks and he started to show up in Kerrat for about 2 days now. RCK relies on WCE to do the cleansing for him, his build is notorious in that it is without HE therefore a well timed Subnuke that immediately hit a fresh EPtE will stop him cold and if it takes out APO as well, a bonus. Without APO or EPtE, he is just a fat cruiser sitting in space.
Most people are accustomed to deal with Escorts but using an anti-escort build against cruisers is a big mistake. There is simply not enough research and development into anti-cruiser builds except those one-shot wonders.
Who cares if you sub nuke him, if you don't have the damage to finish him. Expanding upon that: if he knows you're going to sub nuke him he can just hold on to an emergency power until he is actually sub nuked and bam. Your sub nuke is cleansed away. And if he's running aux to bat he can just pop aux to bat along with tac initiative. And bam he's pretty much back to square one.
this and most of the fights shown in this thread just show how op dem,faw,eptw combo is with beams and the overcap of weapons power on beams only
Hehe, dude, i have fire at will equipped, but i rarely use it on that build, eptw, and dem is not equipped.
"Better were the days when mastery o' space came not from bargains struck with eldritch creatures... but from the sweat of a man's brow and the strength of his back alone. Ye all know thi's to be true!"
There are a number of times in that video where the Scimitar would have died if it weren't for those Scramble Sensor pets. A pet should have never been given a 10 second confuse ability, I don't know what Cryptic was thinking when they created it. I'd much rather go up against Yellowstones or Elite Interceptors, at least a good Tractor Beam Repulsors + duty officer will make short work of them. Elite drones have more hit points than some escorts. Of course that's just one of over a dozen things that make the Scimitar an overpowered ship.
There are a number of times in that video where the Scimitar would have died if it weren't for those Scramble Sensor pets. A pet should have never been given a 10 second confuse ability, I don't know what Cryptic was thinking when they created it. I'd much rather go up against Yellowstones or Elite Interceptors, at least a good Tractor Beam Repulsors + duty officer will make short work of them. Elite drones have more hit points than some escorts. Of course that's just one of over a dozen things that make the Scimitar an overpowered ship.
I didn't watch it....
But....
Scramble pets in a 1v1?
That's like callin nimbus.
Hrm.
I shall watch a couple of these vids I guess. But if folks are 1v1ing with stuff like that it makes you wonder what worth there is in it?
Just my opinion of course but, I wouldn't go into a fight asking the other player not to use a certain ability, or to 'dumb their ship down' to justify my lack of adaptation.
If you cloak a lot in a fight, or use any pets / ability against me, then 'I' have to change my game, usually while in the same instance... If I want to win.
To that end, I have fought a couple of Transphasic built T'Varo's that were both constantly cloaked through the engagement.
As well as other Scimitars with elite pets & also Jemi Dread Carriers using both Bug pets as well as Yellowstones Runabouts.
Didn't whine about it, I adapted.
The only limitations I put on myself or my opponent, are the ones set by the Dev team and by extension, build into the game itself...
or using the most powerful ship in the game, plus pets with SS, and nimbus, and battlecloak to heal and then go back to fighting a less outfitted opponent?
you seem like you have a great attitude man, for that i applaud you...
yet...
something doesnt sit right after watching some of your vids...this is just coming from a 4 year vet.
or using the most powerful ship in the game, plus pets with SS, and nimbus, and battlecloak to heal and then go back to fighting a less outfitted opponent?
you seem like you have a great attitude man, for that i applaud you...
yet...
something doesnt sit right after watching some of your vids...this is just coming from a 4 year vet.
or using the most powerful ship in the game, plus pets with SS, and nimbus, and battlecloak to heal and then go back to fighting a less outfitted opponent?
you seem like you have a great attitude man, for that i applaud you...
yet...
something doesnt sit right after watching some of your vids...this is just coming from a 4 year vet.
I just saw the video... as a bug-ship owner and flown a bugship for like 8 months straight, both the build you are using, and your tactics ar flawed.....
Seriously man, you have the fastest ship in the game, and you have a slow build.. and you never ever during the fight use that to your speed and turnrate as an advantage.... your fighting a scimitar.. with 5 front weaps.. and 5 tac consoles.. and you basicly always position yourself in FRONT of him during the battle.
You might be able to kill alot of players with that tactic, but against a seasoned pvp'er you would never stand a chance..
ps. there is an option in the game client that would help you with that targeting of pets. sheeesh, i dont say this often.. but you my kind sir, is a newbeginner.
"Better were the days when mastery o' space came not from bargains struck with eldritch creatures... but from the sweat of a man's brow and the strength of his back alone. Ye all know thi's to be true!"
One shouldn't have to handicap himself in order to fight someone. Even still some ship setups can cover a range of situations but not ALL of them. So a Loss is expected time and again. And after watching both videos I see no evidence of "foul" play.
But if your bugship is made of paper and if you stay in front scimitar instead of playing to your advantage in out turning him then thats your own fault.
The only thing I see is Marcello targetting his drones instead of the ship itself (psst if you dont hit the ship you wont kill it) and sure drones are TRIBBLE but i think if you read several posts up you'll see that he challenged him. There is a whole thread so you can't say he didnt know Dius' setup. If he didnt want to deal with drones I think that you can come to an agreement to not use them.
But whatever if you have to call "haxs" to feel better that is your choice.
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Indeed. And, frankly, I came a lot closer to losing to you than to Dius. Yours is a solid build with plenty of DPS and good defense. So, again, it comes down to skill...and, apparently, patience.
Note: We could all learn a thing or two from Val Kilmer's "Iceman" character from Top Gun. He just wears you down until you make a mistake and then...
RCK
In reference to Jacob and Torach.
Every build has a counter where you think it or not. But something to consider is the pilot himself anyone can go out and buy a bugship but that doesn't mean they are a great player.
Yeah, I agree, there is no such thing as an unbeatable build. Every build has a counter.
I love to make silly builds that makes people go "wtf just happened". And i know those builds has weaknesses. But I want people to beat me, so i can try my best to counter it in the future.
You have a strong pressure build, and what kills me every time is your more or less perfect timing, and that i loose patience and take risks.. :P
If I would learn to cope with your timing, and work on my patience + abit tweak on my build(I don't like tweaking builds just to beat one spesific player), I think i could manage to take you down after some time. But your a player that I need to learn over time to cope with.
There is a huge difference between a player that crunches numbers and build by that, and the player that tries out any combination to see if it works, and get a "feel" for it. I'm that kind of player. And those are the player I love fighting. Those players have real skill.
There are about 5 players that i have faught that i have to bow down to when it comes to pure skill. You and Dius are two of them. *sidenote*I don't considder decloaking alphastrikers that wait till your skills are on cooldown and decloaks right after you have killed someone in kerrat and catching you totally offguard is based on skill, thats pure ganking, allthough some of them makes me go wtf, how he do so much damage, and all cudos to those players that manages to create so strong alphastrikers.*/sidenote*
"Theorists supposedly knows everything, but can't get it to work properly... Practicians gets it to work, but doesn't always know why."
Once I've created a build I create a "proof of concept" build that helps me get a feel for the build and how it plays, to see it's strengths and weaknesses in a live combat situation. Different people prefer different methods. I suppose I'm more of a hybrid.
But because you "go with the flow" I can see how that can be advantageous. Instead of spending hours crunching data you just skip straight to the testing phase to see what tweaks work and what doesn't I suppose this allows you to get used to the ships setup and play style much faster than I.
Me being a math major, I like to fiddle with numbers.
I've got some ideas for that breen ship of yours :P
There is one word against RCK : Subnuke. Nothing else matters. The high pressure Sci with FBP he spoke of is in fact a Tactical without Subnuke. Rest assured, someone new is coming up the ranks and he started to show up in Kerrat for about 2 days now.
Most people are accustomed to deal with Escorts but using an anti-escort build against cruisers is a big mistake. There is simply not enough research and development into anti-cruiser builds except those one-shot wonders.
It appears to work very well...
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Ouch! Now that was just cold, man!
RCK
You flatter me sir. Almost had you a few times just couldnt get back in range haha. Good fight for sure.
Was a great fight mate, Jemi Dread Carrier designed to bring people out of cloak.
Another variant I haven't seen before. So thank you, sir. I enjoyed the challenge, kept me on my toes...
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Talok Vs Dius
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l2Sevb3xSM&feature=youtu.be
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I get this a lot mate. I have private tells turned off is all. I can assure you I dont have anyone on my ignore list.
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Send me a friend request or just shout in Ker'rat zone chat as am always their.
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Eh?
I primarily use Cannons bro?
As you will see in... 'most of the fights shown in this thread'.
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The Privateer Vs Dius
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DBUTE3bNVw&feature=youtu.be
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is asking for a fight against you Dius
Hehe, dude, i have fire at will equipped, but i rarely use it on that build, eptw, and dem is not equipped.
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Marcello Vs Dius
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHQLyp8V4Y4&feature=youtu.be
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There are a number of times in that video where the Scimitar would have died if it weren't for those Scramble Sensor pets. A pet should have never been given a 10 second confuse ability, I don't know what Cryptic was thinking when they created it. I'd much rather go up against Yellowstones or Elite Interceptors, at least a good Tractor Beam Repulsors + duty officer will make short work of them. Elite drones have more hit points than some escorts. Of course that's just one of over a dozen things that make the Scimitar an overpowered ship.
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I didn't watch it....
But....
Scramble pets in a 1v1?
That's like callin nimbus.
Hrm.
I shall watch a couple of these vids I guess. But if folks are 1v1ing with stuff like that it makes you wonder what worth there is in it?
Just my opinion of course but, I wouldn't go into a fight asking the other player not to use a certain ability, or to 'dumb their ship down' to justify my lack of adaptation.
If you cloak a lot in a fight, or use any pets / ability against me, then 'I' have to change my game, usually while in the same instance... If I want to win.
To that end, I have fought a couple of Transphasic built T'Varo's that were both constantly cloaked through the engagement.
As well as other Scimitars with elite pets & also Jemi Dread Carriers using both Bug pets as well as Yellowstones Runabouts.
Didn't whine about it, I adapted.
The only limitations I put on myself or my opponent, are the ones set by the Dev team and by extension, build into the game itself...
Everything else goes...
D,
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is this thread about good fights?
or using the most powerful ship in the game, plus pets with SS, and nimbus, and battlecloak to heal and then go back to fighting a less outfitted opponent?
you seem like you have a great attitude man, for that i applaud you...
yet...
something doesnt sit right after watching some of your vids...this is just coming from a 4 year vet.
edit: from broken.....his vid, his perspective:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68pQoRhYqpM
Buy me a bug ship an ill happily use it... =P
Until then, please ask Marcello if he thinks I may be cheating / haxin in some way to, by all means, send in a support tick.
They have the same fight from both opponents prospective, even if Marcello is playing the game on a mobile phone... j/k
As I said in the video, I don't want to argue... I want to learn from experience, my friend.
My advice is simple, please don't challenge me if you are just going to QQ after its all said an done.
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I just saw the video... as a bug-ship owner and flown a bugship for like 8 months straight, both the build you are using, and your tactics ar flawed.....
Seriously man, you have the fastest ship in the game, and you have a slow build.. and you never ever during the fight use that to your speed and turnrate as an advantage.... your fighting a scimitar.. with 5 front weaps.. and 5 tac consoles.. and you basicly always position yourself in FRONT of him during the battle.
You might be able to kill alot of players with that tactic, but against a seasoned pvp'er you would never stand a chance..
ps. there is an option in the game client that would help you with that targeting of pets. sheeesh, i dont say this often.. but you my kind sir, is a newbeginner.
One shouldn't have to handicap himself in order to fight someone. Even still some ship setups can cover a range of situations but not ALL of them. So a Loss is expected time and again. And after watching both videos I see no evidence of "foul" play.
But if your bugship is made of paper and if you stay in front scimitar instead of playing to your advantage in out turning him then thats your own fault.
The only thing I see is Marcello targetting his drones instead of the ship itself (psst if you dont hit the ship you wont kill it) and sure drones are TRIBBLE but i think if you read several posts up you'll see that he challenged him. There is a whole thread so you can't say he didnt know Dius' setup. If he didnt want to deal with drones I think that you can come to an agreement to not use them.
But whatever if you have to call "haxs" to feel better that is your choice.