for what its worth, ive probalbly done 1v1s more then 99% of the players here, and i can tell you that 1v1 bugfights are 90% number vs number games, a little bit of steering for maximum dhc coverage, the rest is proper timings and stack it all up at the exact right time.
There isnt as much skill involved as people might think, building a proper build and have maxed out gear and u completed 90%
That's my observation of all PVP here. People fly the power tray, and all the skill is who can work their binds the best.
You should try War Thunder at least there is some real aiming involved, hehe.
There are sitll freelancer mods and servers around, if you want to fly a full 3D space shooter
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
I'd love to see the marketing material that told developers that star trek has to be 5+ times faster in rate of fire/ship speed/turn to make players enjoy the game. :rolleyes: Dogfighting is trivial in comparison to the real issue that's always floating, steadily amiss.. Space combat should look and feel much more like the iconic star trek battles that drew them to this game to begin with and presto all kinds of issued are solved, including the need/want for dogfights.. memory issues.. bfaw.. etc..
That's my observation of all PVP here. People fly the power tray, and all the skill is who can work their binds the best.
It's one of the reasons I believe many people fly up...because they're looking down...at the tray. So it's easier for many to view a target below them, since that's where their attention is focused anyway. A target above and their eyes are having to bounce back and forth, up and down...
It's one of the reasons I believe many people fly up...because they're looking down...at the tray. So it's easier for many to view a target below them, since that's where their attention is focused anyway. A target above and they're eyes are having to bounce back and forth, up and down...
Which leads back to why do PvPers need more maps?
If all that ends up happening is people fight in empty space or hug the ceiling like a fly hugs a light then do you really need a prettier background?
Now if people would quantify what they want from a new map like say nebula dotted around that remove shields but double speed, then we'd be talking...
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
You want a private against us with heavy rules? Let me know, we'll set it up.
As far as I know, we're one of the few teams that will play others with NoBS3 rules.
All the **** I've purchased for my ships has been done in response to what other teams run.
We had one TIF on a recluse (lol), you had one too on a Voth Palisade sci vessel.
You didn't lose because of that console, but because you didn't coordinate any of your strikes.
I'm still waiting for you guys to want another NO BS #3 match.
EDIT:
A Tourney we were not allowed to participate in. And you guys came into our Chat channel and started talking big. We have (-X-/Pandas) always honored rules unlike some.
While I think FAW is rather ruining the queues at the moment, it can only be truly said on the FvF ones. That queue seems to embody FAWers. Fighting the FvK queues however has becomes much more enjoyable, it's like FAW passed it by for the most part. C&H FvK seems to be the best place outside Ker'rat for a dogfight, though you still run the risk of HOBOs just camping spawn if you pug.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] @Aquitaine985 Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre. 2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
Guys, I didn't give you a peek beneath the FAW hood in order to make a point for rebuilding or destroying it.
Fire-at-Will is an iconic functionality of Phaser-type beam weapons in Star Trek, and we will do whatever is in our power as Designers to keep it in-game and functioning in a way that looks as cool and IP as it did in the shows/movies.
It's true that we have had repeated issues with its inheritance of weapon enhancements because of its data structure. But that doesn't mean that we have to reinvent the wheel. And we honestly don't have time to consider it, anyway.
this is not acceptable
Seriously this is the LAST game i will play where the DEVs dont play their game. Im waiting for Star Cityzen ,that game will be epic and its skill based. In Star Cityzen there is no stupid console, no stupid reputation power and no broken FAW. Plus the DEVs will play their game they make !!!!!
[System] Link has been on active duty for 415 days, 23 hours, 9 minutes, 16 seconds.
[System] Zelda has been on active duty for 126 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes, 48 seconds.
i kinda like it when people use FAW, it means they arent actually focus firing on something so they can kill it, it means they are blowing up their damage numbers dealing damage to everything around them. by the time the next regeneration tic happens, that damage will be gone as quickly as it applied.
if your gonna just hate on faw, be sure to qualify your distaste with mentioning you hate FAW when theres 3 or more FAW boats on the same team. because that changes things considerably, then FAW and focus fire become the same thing.
Is triple tap still available? Nope but it's still used, to coin you. Lol
lol . ??
[System] Link has been on active duty for 415 days, 23 hours, 9 minutes, 16 seconds.
[System] Zelda has been on active duty for 126 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes, 48 seconds.
BtS, BO, Proton, Iso, R-Tet, HY, TS, and meh - I can't even keep up with them all anymore. There's so many things that a person can drop out on somebody else...it's cumbersome.
Heh, I think that's one of the reasons that I started doing more of the support thing with Willard. I spent like three weeks in Ker'rat working on various alpha combos, and I'd always forget this or that - it wasn't any fun, left me feeling stupid and silly. So I went for stupid and silly with him instead, and at least since I'm trying for it...heh, it can be funny.
Oh well, I don't know - it's kind of funny thinking about this thread. Yes, there are complaints about XYZ here - but this isn't the first thread on the matter. Some of the Beamscort threads are interesting too...again, for all the talk of the amount of skill required - there sure is a complete lack of willingness to adapt, to get better, etc, etc, etc.
Course, wish more just complained - some do adapt, and they're really freaking annoying cause they keep killing me. :P
cryptic has lost all facets of realism in their approach of PvP.. It isn't even believable as Star Trek anymore with all the gimmicks, pet spam, etc.
They should take a lesson from a game that is over 10 years old (SFC2:OP) the had the correct approach that didn't involve all this TRIBBLE. If it weren't for legal issues and they had kept updating the game, it is quite possible that it would still be alive. And to be honest, if it were still alive, I'd be playing that instead right now.
and I'm sorry... but as your ship gets more beat up, it should get weaker.. where in any star trek episode, movie etc.. did a ship get stronger? i.e. go down fighting or crippling fire or last ditch effort.
And systems should go offline due to damage, not due to some magical proc.
And why even bother having shields in this game anymore. One's time is better spent on strengthening hull resist. Seriously? I've watched my hull go from 100 to 0 even while I had full buffs and full shields. All chance and "through the shields" TRIBBLE needs to go. It is more frustrating than fun.
I am just glad cryptic doesn't design war simulations for the armed forced!!!!!!
I'd like some realism and believability in my PvP please!
I AM NOT A FAN OF PWE!!!!
MEMBER SINCE JANUARY 2010
cryptic has lost all facets of realism in their approach of PvP.. It isn't even believable as Star Trek anymore with all the gimmicks, pet spam, etc.
They should take a lesson from a game that is over 10 years old (SFC2:OP) the had the correct approach that didn't involve all this TRIBBLE. If it weren't for legal issues and they had kept updating the game, it is quite possible that it would still be alive. And to be honest, if it were still alive, I'd be playing that instead right now.
and I'm sorry... but as your ship gets more beat up, it should get weaker.. where in any star trek episode, movie etc.. did a ship get stronger? i.e. go down fighting or crippling fire or last ditch effort.
And systems should go offline due to damage, not due to some magical proc.
And why even bother having shields in this game anymore. One's time is better spent on strengthening hull resist. Seriously? I've watched my hull go from 100 to 0 even while I had full buffs and full shields. All chance and "through the shields" TRIBBLE needs to go. It is more frustrating than fun.
I am just glad cryptic doesn't design war simulations for the armed forced!!!!!!
I'd like some realism and believability in my PvP please!
Some good points here. Careful though, sometimes when you mention a request for more realism you get the "this aint no sim" troll response. Sometimes it feels like all the devs just need a 2 week vacation where they all hang out and just watch star trek some more. Sometimes a step back is a step forward.
But for all we know, there could very well be some good hearted devs who may be handcuffed from productivity because they've been conditioned to produce x, y or z by X deadline. Funny how corporate America tends to trick people into doing things they wouldn't normally want to do.
I'm still waiting for you guys to want another NO BS #3 match.
EDIT:
A Tourney we were not allowed to participate in. And you guys came into our Chat channel and started talking big. We have (-X-/Pandas) always honored rules unlike some.
We're always open for a NoBS #3 challenge. And the last time such a challenge was put forth, one of the people a member talked to gave us the run around. This was months ago.
Which is strange, considering that we've fought each other using other rules sets since then.
Who came into your chat channel and talked big? I don't even have the Pandas channel, so I certainly did not. In fact, after the tourney all I remember was getting congratulated by other guys, even some from Pandas in OPvP.
Edit:
And for the record, I just logged in to request a future NoBS#3 challenge to one of the only members online atm.
We're always open for a NoBS #3 challenge. And the last time such a challenge was put forth, one of the people a member talked to gave us the run around. This was months ago.
Which is strange, considering that we've fought each other using other rules sets since then.
Who came into your chat channel and talked big? I don't even have the Pandas channel, so I certainly did not. In fact, after the tourney all I remember was getting congratulated by other guys, even some from Pandas in OPvP.
I don't know who this member you speak of is. They weren't someone that mentioned it to the rest of us.
All challenges and matches are excepted from our camp.
As far as after the tourney, the member was in your team in the match we did after. Not naming here.
Why the request wasn't sent to the others I do not know. But without knowing we cannot put a group together.
I don't know who this member you speak of is. They weren't someone that mentioned it to the rest of us.
All challenges and matches are excepted from our camp.
As far as after the tourney, the member was in your team in the match we did after. Not naming here.
Why the request wasn't sent to the others I do not know. But without knowing we cannot put a group together.
Yeah, whatever that guy has done or said to your fleet has nothing to do with the rest of us. He's a grown man, who can voice his opinions. We don't necessarily share them.
Yeah, whatever that guy has done or said to your fleet has nothing to do with the rest of us. He's a grown man, who can voice his opinions. We don't necessarily share them.
Your quarrel is with him, not me.
I never said I had a quarrel with you. lol.
Just pointing out you claim to be one of the few that will do No BS #3 rules matches. We will too.
As far as the guy in question, I have no issues with him. I even helped him back in 2012 on his setups.
If the challenge didn't reach the group on this front, you need to network a bit more.
You're request tonight was received though. So challenge accepted.
Lord Inquisitor@nebulgamnezar: i will not fight agasit ur fleet anymore, if u guys are usesing triple tap or faw !!!
That brought a chuckle when I saw that after the match.....lol
Death to the double tap. Long live errr triple tap? Seriously, you do know that ain't possible. Right?
My bug was also retired a long time ago as a premade escort. Even before LoR came out. We realised where the meta game was headed and moved on before most. The biggest game changer to PvP was and still is the fleet shields. That's what lead to the pandas creating vapers. Kind of a step change in the game that was indirectly forced by Cryptic.
You do know that the days of 4 DHC's upfront are long gone. If you can't keep up, star citizen is just around the corner for you in 2015
TRIPPLE tap : BO, iso charge , tetrion cascade and torps ... u guys (PANDA) are exploiting it and FAW... Seriously !!! no need big skill for use that...
This is the LAST game i will play where the DEVs dont play their game. Im waiting for Star Cityzen ,that game will be epic and its skill based. In Star Cityzen there is no stupid console, no stupid reputation power and no broken FAW. Plus the DEVs will play their game they make !!!!!
[System] Link has been on active duty for 415 days, 23 hours, 9 minutes, 16 seconds.
[System] Zelda has been on active duty for 126 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes, 48 seconds.
TRIPPLE tap : BO, iso charge , tetrion cascade and torps ... u guys (PANDA) are exploiting it and FAW... Seriously !!! no need big skill for use that...
This is the LAST game i will play where the DEVs dont play their game. Im waiting for Star Cityzen ,that game will be epic and ants skill based. In Star Cityzen there is no stupid console, no stupid reputation power and no broken FAW. Plus the DEVs will play their game they make !!!!!
Complained about Double tap - "Fixed"
Complain about FAW - "Fixed" (see latest patch notes). By the way, we (PANDA) were not even the first ones in the queues to use it. We just got noticed first. 32nd Vipers were using it a long time before us. Credit goes to the PVE heroes for kicking PvP fleet asses with that first Grats for shaking things up.
iso charge, tetryon cascade, torps. When was that an exploit? Using the borked Rom boffs that reduced cooldowns on alphas and snb's is an exploit. Remember?
Ahhh, wait. I see the pattern now. Anything not dual heavy cannons used to kill is an exploit. Is that what your getting at?
Comments
There are sitll freelancer mods and servers around, if you want to fly a full 3D space shooter
I'm gorna Fus Ro Dah your reman tac so hard, he is gonna be wearing an orion slavegirl outfit for the rest of his pathetic life.
Elite Defense Stovokor
Whoa whoa...Relax, I was just trying to be funny. (though my Reman really is named Thu'um)
Elite Defense Stovokor
It's one of the reasons I believe many people fly up...because they're looking down...at the tray. So it's easier for many to view a target below them, since that's where their attention is focused anyway. A target above and their eyes are having to bounce back and forth, up and down...
Which leads back to why do PvPers need more maps?
If all that ends up happening is people fight in empty space or hug the ceiling like a fly hugs a light then do you really need a prettier background?
Now if people would quantify what they want from a new map like say nebula dotted around that remove shields but double speed, then we'd be talking...
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
Sorry there. I had just gotten up when I read that, and my mind wasn't awake enough to realize joking over the Internet yet.
Fighting inside a Voth Dread, eh? Basically a maze...imagine a CnH inside a maze.
What's that?
WE MUST PUSH LITTLE KART!
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
I'm still waiting for you guys to want another NO BS #3 match.
EDIT:
A Tourney we were not allowed to participate in. And you guys came into our Chat channel and started talking big. We have (-X-/Pandas) always honored rules unlike some.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
@Aquitaine985
Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
this is not acceptable
Seriously this is the LAST game i will play where the DEVs dont play their game. Im waiting for Star Cityzen ,that game will be epic and its skill based. In Star Cityzen there is no stupid console, no stupid reputation power and no broken FAW. Plus the DEVs will play their game they make !!!!!
[System] Zelda has been on active duty for 126 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes, 48 seconds.
French Canadian
if your gonna just hate on faw, be sure to qualify your distaste with mentioning you hate FAW when theres 3 or more FAW boats on the same team. because that changes things considerably, then FAW and focus fire become the same thing.
Is triple tap still available? Nope but it's still used, to coin you. Lol
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
lol . ??
[System] Zelda has been on active duty for 126 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes, 48 seconds.
French Canadian
Heh, I think that's one of the reasons that I started doing more of the support thing with Willard. I spent like three weeks in Ker'rat working on various alpha combos, and I'd always forget this or that - it wasn't any fun, left me feeling stupid and silly. So I went for stupid and silly with him instead, and at least since I'm trying for it...heh, it can be funny.
Oh well, I don't know - it's kind of funny thinking about this thread. Yes, there are complaints about XYZ here - but this isn't the first thread on the matter. Some of the Beamscort threads are interesting too...again, for all the talk of the amount of skill required - there sure is a complete lack of willingness to adapt, to get better, etc, etc, etc.
Course, wish more just complained - some do adapt, and they're really freaking annoying cause they keep killing me. :P
They should take a lesson from a game that is over 10 years old (SFC2:OP) the had the correct approach that didn't involve all this TRIBBLE. If it weren't for legal issues and they had kept updating the game, it is quite possible that it would still be alive. And to be honest, if it were still alive, I'd be playing that instead right now.
and I'm sorry... but as your ship gets more beat up, it should get weaker.. where in any star trek episode, movie etc.. did a ship get stronger? i.e. go down fighting or crippling fire or last ditch effort.
And systems should go offline due to damage, not due to some magical proc.
And why even bother having shields in this game anymore. One's time is better spent on strengthening hull resist. Seriously? I've watched my hull go from 100 to 0 even while I had full buffs and full shields. All chance and "through the shields" TRIBBLE needs to go. It is more frustrating than fun.
I am just glad cryptic doesn't design war simulations for the armed forced!!!!!!
I'd like some realism and believability in my PvP please!
I AM NOT A FAN OF PWE!!!!
MEMBER SINCE JANUARY 2010
Some good points here. Careful though, sometimes when you mention a request for more realism you get the "this aint no sim" troll response. Sometimes it feels like all the devs just need a 2 week vacation where they all hang out and just watch star trek some more. Sometimes a step back is a step forward.
But for all we know, there could very well be some good hearted devs who may be handcuffed from productivity because they've been conditioned to produce x, y or z by X deadline. Funny how corporate America tends to trick people into doing things they wouldn't normally want to do.
We're always open for a NoBS #3 challenge. And the last time such a challenge was put forth, one of the people a member talked to gave us the run around. This was months ago.
Which is strange, considering that we've fought each other using other rules sets since then.
Who came into your chat channel and talked big? I don't even have the Pandas channel, so I certainly did not. In fact, after the tourney all I remember was getting congratulated by other guys, even some from Pandas in OPvP.
Edit:
And for the record, I just logged in to request a future NoBS#3 challenge to one of the only members online atm.
I don't know who this member you speak of is. They weren't someone that mentioned it to the rest of us.
All challenges and matches are excepted from our camp.
As far as after the tourney, the member was in your team in the match we did after. Not naming here.
Why the request wasn't sent to the others I do not know. But without knowing we cannot put a group together.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yeah, whatever that guy has done or said to your fleet has nothing to do with the rest of us. He's a grown man, who can voice his opinions. We don't necessarily share them.
Your quarrel is with him, not me.
I never said I had a quarrel with you. lol.
Just pointing out you claim to be one of the few that will do No BS #3 rules matches. We will too.
As far as the guy in question, I have no issues with him. I even helped him back in 2012 on his setups.
If the challenge didn't reach the group on this front, you need to network a bit more.
You're request tonight was received though. So challenge accepted.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Lord Inquisitor@nebulgamnezar: i will not fight agasit ur fleet anymore, if u guys are usesing triple tap or faw !!!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Traits - Accurate, Astrophysicist, Crippling Fire, Efficient Captain, Elusive, Helmsman, Inspirational Leader, Techie, Warp Theorist
Reputation
Dyson - Advanced Targeting Systems, Tactical Advantage
New Rom - Precision, Emergency Secondary Shielding, Quantum Singularity Manipulation
Nukara - Enhanced Shield Penetration, Auxiliary Power Configuration - Offense, Refracting Tetryon Cascade
Omega - Omega Weapon Training, Superior Shield Repair
TT1, CRF1, APO1
BO1
EPtW1, AtB1, RSP2, DEM3
EPtS1, AtB1
ST1, HE2
(2x Sup Op, Pirate, 2x Leadership)
DOFFs - 3x Tech (AtB), SE(DEM), 2x EWO(BO-Pen)
Deflector - Dyson Mk XII
Engine - Dyson Mk XII
Shield - Dyson Mk XII
Core - Obelisk
Weapons
Fore - 4x Voth AP DHC Mk XII [Acc]x2[CrtD], Experimental Proton Weapon
Aft - Cutting Beam, Omni-Directional AP, Grav Photon Torp
Consoles
Tac - 4x Vulnerability Locator Mk XII [+AP]
Eng - Leech, Bioneural, 2x E-Neut Mk XII [+Turn]
Sci - Borg, Proton
Devices - RMC, SFM, Batt 'o Choice
Other - Nimbus Pirate Distress Call
That brought a chuckle when I saw that after the match.....lol
Death to the double tap. Long live errr triple tap? Seriously, you do know that ain't possible. Right?
My bug was also retired a long time ago as a premade escort. Even before LoR came out. We realised where the meta game was headed and moved on before most. The biggest game changer to PvP was and still is the fleet shields. That's what lead to the pandas creating vapers. Kind of a step change in the game that was indirectly forced by Cryptic.
You do know that the days of 4 DHC's upfront are long gone. If you can't keep up, star citizen is just around the corner for you in 2015
If the challenge didn't get past your team leader, then something is wrong with your network. :P
There are no leaders mate...
This is the LAST game i will play where the DEVs dont play their game. Im waiting for Star Cityzen ,that game will be epic and its skill based. In Star Cityzen there is no stupid console, no stupid reputation power and no broken FAW. Plus the DEVs will play their game they make !!!!!
[System] Zelda has been on active duty for 126 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes, 48 seconds.
French Canadian
Complained about Double tap - "Fixed"
Complain about FAW - "Fixed" (see latest patch notes). By the way, we (PANDA) were not even the first ones in the queues to use it. We just got noticed first. 32nd Vipers were using it a long time before us. Credit goes to the PVE heroes for kicking PvP fleet asses with that first
iso charge, tetryon cascade, torps. When was that an exploit? Using the borked Rom boffs that reduced cooldowns on alphas and snb's is an exploit. Remember?
Ahhh, wait. I see the pattern now. Anything not dual heavy cannons used to kill is an exploit. Is that what your getting at?