Basically they took everything that made the previous two events so good.... Increased the grind factor (seriously, GRIND for RECIPES to COOK with?!), lowered the quality of the prizes (bright red and green jackets). Add to this an utterly insipid and childish voiceover (burping sound-effects? REALLY?)
I want to know how the walking animation got messed up. How do you even DO that.
I agree, It's sad they took something I so enjoyed and appreciated from last year and turned the grind way up on that too.
It wasn't even necessary either, it's not like we weren't going to stop running the races daily for the ships. (I was really hoping for another cool ship, like a Krenim warship myself btw)
I was so hoping for an upgrade to the Breen space set too. That would keep me coming back to the map as well and it would have tied in nicely. They did it for the Jem hadar set after all.
It's not like the game's daily grinds aren't right where we left them either, they're still waiting for us, this should have been an enjoyable little break from it all, something more fun than grind.
I'm not real keen on grinding to get the whole snowball arsenal thing, they're only good on this map anyway. These items should been made easier to get, so we can participate in the whole snowmen thing MORE, (with better drops on that) - to keep us coming back for this activity.
Just my two cents anyway.
But I'm not giving up hope.
I'm still hoping Cryptic listens like they always do, and tweaks things a bit, like they have in the past.
Yes it is. Its as simple as that. Who wants to grind more during the freaking holidays its like in real life you wanna work more during the holidays ? Its not enough we have a new rep system fleet spire and other dailies grind no, we need more stuff to grind.
So yeah it is a joke and bad one at best
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Somehow this felt appropriate.
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But I am kinda fed up with all the holiday TRIBBLE. It's all around me IRL and in the games I play for an escape.
And the voices at the staging area for Q's winter wonderland thingy are supremely annoying.
Makes me not want to participate at all.
But...I want that bloody ship!
Guess I'll be running this festival business with a clenched jaw, muttering profanities about how silly it all is.
I feel for ya bro, I was looking forward to the winter event actually, then i saw all the grinding you had to do and was like BS I've got a damn fleet to run, and a omega rep to finish on my klingon.
Meh. You can avoid it almost entirely, just like I do in real life. I didn't so much as glance in the direction of the Risa summer event. My only gripe is when the implementation of these "events" interferes with unrealated stuff that I actually want to do.
I've been looking forward to the Winter Event for weeks. Last year's event was fun even for having to do it every day on 6 alts. But today I found out first that there are no longer random drops from making snowballs. That was an easy way to get epoh tags to do the daily epoh doff missions for marks. Then, the giant snowman doesn't appear. The competitive race doesn't start. [I've read that these work, but are not on the schedule that is advertised. I was there for an hour and they didn't seem to be working at all.] The new gingerbread instance had me loop loading for five minutes until I was able to quit out of it. The pie eating contest worked, but I can't see how I or anyone else could do it more than once or twice without going batty. It takes a long time to complete, it's very repetitive, and other players can unintentionally make it difficult for you. The race where you get autographs worked, but that is a 3 week grind, and with everything else, I don't know if I want to do it this time around.
There are promises of fixes tomorrow, so I gave up and tried something else. [I can only hope that either we'll be able to get drops from making snowballs, or that a sufficient number of epoh tags drop to do the doff missions every day.] The patch notes made it seem that level 1 fleet spires would have a console to allow access to fleet versions of 1000 day veteran ships. That was not the case. After figuring out how to make it to the fleet spire [you can't get there from your starbase/embassy/mine], I find out that my fleet didn't have the console. No problem, you can access the ships from the ship vendors at the various faction starbases. I bought the required fleet module for 500 Zen only to find that I couldn't buy the ship. You need to be in a fleet with tier 2 of the spire completed. So I checked around with a couple other fleets; it seems no one has a tier 2 spire yet. And because tier upgrades for fleet holdings take over a week to complete, that means I won't get the upgraded vet ship until sometime next year.
In space, even you could hear me scream at this point.
Cryptic, please don't do this to me again. I'm going to play some other games now.
Regarding the highlighted part, you do realize (I hope) that you must either be a 1000-day veteran Gold subscriber or a Lifetime Subscriber. You can't get the ship if you're silver. It's impossible for them to get it. The reason is you must have the Vet ship as part of the requirements, if you don't have it, you don't get it at all.
I feel for ya bro, I was looking forward to the winter event actually, then i saw all the grinding you had to do and was like BS I've got a damn fleet to run, and a omega rep to finish on my klingon.
There is hardly any grind this year... You get everything easy this year vs. years past. The only people affected were the those exploiting the snowpiles by having their macro setup to autodig for resources while they AFK. There isn't anything there that anyone has to have either.
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But I am kinda fed up with all the holiday TRIBBLE. It's all around me IRL and in the games I play for an escape.
And the voices at the staging area for Q's winter wonderland thingy are supremely annoying.
Makes me not want to participate at all.
But...I want that bloody ship!
Guess I'll be running this festival business with a clenched jaw, muttering profanities about how silly it all is.
ESC>>>OPTIONS>>>AUDIO(tab)>>>VOICE VOLUME(set to whatever volume you prefer)
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See that's my problem, i don't know what have the shet over there is or how to get it, no tutorial no nothing >.> so It's a waste of my time, especially for something I don't get to use after the event is over. And the raider? LOL like i want a BoP. The cruiser? Meh tank at best.
That's quite the paradox, how could you nerf nerf when the nerf is nerfed. But how would the nerf be nerfed when the nerf is nerfed? This allows the nerf not to be nerfed since the nerf is nerfed? But if the nerf isn't nerfed, it could still nerf nerfs. But as soon as the nerf is nerfed, the nerf power is lost. So paradoxally it the nerf nerf lost its nerf, while it's still nerfed, which cannot be because the nerf was unable to nerf.
The Winter Wonderland finally worked. Sort of. Got to play the gingerbread instance. The map is very impressive, and everything is so perfectly sweet and cute that I felt the need to brush my teeth after doing it. The devs outdid themselves. The instance is fun to play, but I'm not interested in gingerbread pets or clothing items, so I'll probably only do it again on a whim. I expect that a lot of people will quit running it once they've won their desired gingerbread pet.
The Fast and Flurrious race is working on schedule. But with 8 alts, and so many people racing, I'm tempted to give up. It's typical to earn only 2 Epohh tags per race. A person could spend the entire hour waiting for, and running races in order to earn the amount of Epohh tags it takes for one character to do the daily doff mission that will ultimately lead to a reputation mark reward. But did I already say that I have 8 alts? By making it an onerous task to switch starships and builds, And providing so many interesting starships to choose from, Cryptic makes alting necessary. I want to level up all my alts reputations without spending all week in game. Last year's Winter event, with the ability to supplement Epohhs won racing with Epohhs found in snow piles, made it easy to justify the entire endeavor. This year, not so much.
At this point, it doesn't seem logical for me to participate. I would do just as good, probably better, to go back to the regular grind. It's a shame too; the devs put so much effort and did such a good job in general with creating the event. They just misjudged how players like me would value the available rewards. I predict that the Winter Wonderland will be largely unused, with participation far below that of last year.
To an extent, this is a zero sum game. If we're not playing STO, then we're off playing other games that have more compelling holiday events. If I'm right about low participation, I hope that Cryptic has a "Winter Event Contingency Plan" to bring back players like me.
Regarding the highlighted part, you do realize (I hope) that you must either be a 1000-day veteran Gold subscriber or a Lifetime Subscriber. You can't get the ship if you're silver. It's impossible for them to get it. The reason is you must have the Vet ship as part of the requirements, if you don't have it, you don't get it at all.
Yeah. One of my alts flies the Daeinos Heavy Destroyer. In my judgement it's the coolest looking Rom ship, and it's fun to play. I've been playing it since it became available, and the fleet version eliminates some of it's greatest disadvantages compared to similar ships: Lower hull and shield HP, and nine available consoles instead of the max of ten.
Hi all. This is my first year on STO, my first Winter Wonderland, and I thought I'd give a newbie's opinion.
So far, I am disappointed. Some of that is due to frustration at not having learned how to win the NPC race yet -- and that may ease if I find the trick to it. (I have always used my mouse for ground movement rather than keys, so I will probably need to completely relearn navigation to even have a shot at it.)
The rest is because I thought in general there'd be more to do. So far, my entire experience has been failing the race, getting my "you saw all the snow art" accolade, and eating pies. I'm not much into PvE or PvP, so I may try the gingerbread thing (once fixed) and the competitive race, but probably not often.
I think, in general, I was expecting something with more discovery, exploration, storyline, hanging-around-doing-fun-stuff-with-other-toons rather than just "ways to earn stuff to trade in for other stuff."
I know I may not be typical, however, especially compared to long-time players who have done and seen everything, and for whom earning the new stuff IS the point.
I just wish we could have both types of experiences in these events.
Many of you know me on this forum as being very critical of Cryptic, and rightfully so. However; that being said, the event is a good one.
The Winter event is one of Cryptic's highlights and bright spot of STO. The rewards are fair and we get to run this year a rep system for our choice of vessel.
The new events are nice to, as well as the new winter toys we get to enjoy with. Please count your blessings, these type of fun and rewarding events are few and far between.
Just be happy they did not bring back the Red Gift Boxes from HELL, those old timers who have been around will know what I am referring to., and even that, nobody ever won one and most had to be bought on the CStore.
Yeah really. and even if you DID buy them you had something like a .01% chance of getting a ship.
Yeesh. Seriously, winning the daily race seemed to have a drop rate of less than 1% for red boxes.
Oh and back then holiday commods were BoP, which meant that you were at the mercy of the RNG if you wanted to buy stuff. And as we all know, the RNG has no mercy. One of my guys had 30+ of one commod left over when the 2011 event was done.
You've upped the difficulty of the fastest game on Ice, No biggie, I can still win and the increased challenge is interesting. First impression is it's better than the snooze fest that was the race last year! I have heard complaints from newer players though, they just can't beat the new difficulty level.
The VO for Q's pavilion, STOP IT O.K., JUST STOP IT! It grew old in the first 2 minutes!
And while I have no interest in the Pie Eating Contest, the noise of people eating is , frankly, disgusting! There is no other way to say it, it's just disgusting! I beg you to turn on the sound and listen to it constantly for 10 minutes, I'll bet you can't stand the sound for more than 2 minutes!
The only way I can stand anywhere in Q's pavilion is to mute both Voice and FX. which is a shame as I like the VO for the Gingerbread Village and the Snowman Invasion, and the weapon sounds.
As for the Gingerbread Village event its self, I've run it a couple of times but never gotten the recipes from it. To have the recipes just for one person is a serious FAIL! So the one person who knows where to look picks it up every time while the unfortunate pleb like me has no chance at the recipe at all! was this even thought through? Better to have random recipes drop from the Final Boss so everyone can pick it up!
Also, to echo points already made, how can you break things that worked fine last year? My main gripe in this is the walking animations on ice, seriously! How could you break something that worked so well?
Any way, that's it for now so, thanks for bringing it back. I look forward to owning the Breen Raider.
Cryptic well done on the winter events nice job enjoyed it....
Would be more fun to get XP from Q for my new Char but I suppose you can't have it all.
How on earth you suppose to get that breen ship because I don't have a clue ????
Greets
Run the race and get 40 autographed pictures of Q, then open the Breen ship project in your rep tab and add the pics ,check back every day until filled.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Run the race and get 40 autographed pictures of Q, then open the Breen ship project in your rep tab and add the pics ,check back every day until filled.
Lol he is talking about experience bonus from Q. I think he knows how to do the Q Event.
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Hi, this is my first month on STO, and I just checked out Winter Wonderland as well.
It took a few tries for the footrace, as I kept losing the track (yeah, go ahead and laugh). A sign with an arrow would help, otherwise I went into the lake, and then somewhere else, etc. To win the footrace, I suggest double-tapping the up arrow to do a forward roll. This completely stops your forward momentum (no skid), but you then can't move for a moment. Still, that allows you to run full-tilt into a hairpin turn.
The comments are pretty much dead on. Sort of exciting, but it looks like a grind to get temporary snow-weapons. There are also non-obvious issues, such as randomly being attacked by an army of snowmen when you're by yourself exploring, beaming out to Earth Spacedock after defending the Gingermen, and having the snowballs disappear off the taskbar when reloading from a snowbank (and so spending time moving it to a different equipment slot instead of defending my teammates).
Oh, and what exactly are the rewards for the pie eating contest? I've eaten up to 10 pies and nada.
If they insist on the BS one recipe per run, then at least make the cool down 5 mins. The one drop recipe per run is one of the worst thing ever. And you add an accolade to it...........
It's been confirmed that the entire team is supposed to be able to pick up the gift box. Hopefully this will be fixed soon.
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I agree, It's sad they took something I so enjoyed and appreciated from last year and turned the grind way up on that too.
It wasn't even necessary either, it's not like we weren't going to stop running the races daily for the ships. (I was really hoping for another cool ship, like a Krenim warship myself btw)
I was so hoping for an upgrade to the Breen space set too. That would keep me coming back to the map as well and it would have tied in nicely. They did it for the Jem hadar set after all.
It's not like the game's daily grinds aren't right where we left them either, they're still waiting for us, this should have been an enjoyable little break from it all, something more fun than grind.
I'm not real keen on grinding to get the whole snowball arsenal thing, they're only good on this map anyway. These items should been made easier to get, so we can participate in the whole snowmen thing MORE, (with better drops on that) - to keep us coming back for this activity.
Just my two cents anyway.
But I'm not giving up hope.
I'm still hoping Cryptic listens like they always do, and tweaks things a bit, like they have in the past.
Yes it is. Its as simple as that. Who wants to grind more during the freaking holidays its like in real life you wanna work more during the holidays ? Its not enough we have a new rep system fleet spire and other dailies grind no, we need more stuff to grind.
So yeah it is a joke and bad one at best
- Q
Somehow this felt appropriate.
- Judge Aaron Satie
There is hardly any grind this year... You get everything easy this year vs. years past. The only people affected were the those exploiting the snowpiles by having their macro setup to autodig for resources while they AFK. There isn't anything there that anyone has to have either.
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ESC>>>OPTIONS>>>AUDIO(tab)>>>VOICE VOLUME(set to whatever volume you prefer)
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My character Tsin'xing
I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
The Fast and Flurrious race is working on schedule. But with 8 alts, and so many people racing, I'm tempted to give up. It's typical to earn only 2 Epohh tags per race. A person could spend the entire hour waiting for, and running races in order to earn the amount of Epohh tags it takes for one character to do the daily doff mission that will ultimately lead to a reputation mark reward. But did I already say that I have 8 alts? By making it an onerous task to switch starships and builds, And providing so many interesting starships to choose from, Cryptic makes alting necessary. I want to level up all my alts reputations without spending all week in game. Last year's Winter event, with the ability to supplement Epohhs won racing with Epohhs found in snow piles, made it easy to justify the entire endeavor. This year, not so much.
At this point, it doesn't seem logical
To an extent, this is a zero sum game. If we're not playing STO, then we're off playing other games that have more compelling holiday events. If I'm right about low participation, I hope that Cryptic has a "Winter Event Contingency Plan" to bring back players like me.
Yeah. One of my alts flies the Daeinos Heavy Destroyer. In my judgement it's the coolest looking Rom ship, and it's fun to play. I've been playing it since it became available, and the fleet version eliminates some of it's greatest disadvantages compared to similar ships: Lower hull and shield HP, and nine available consoles instead of the max of ten.
So far, I am disappointed. Some of that is due to frustration at not having learned how to win the NPC race yet -- and that may ease if I find the trick to it. (I have always used my mouse for ground movement rather than keys, so I will probably need to completely relearn navigation to even have a shot at it.)
The rest is because I thought in general there'd be more to do. So far, my entire experience has been failing the race, getting my "you saw all the snow art" accolade, and eating pies. I'm not much into PvE or PvP, so I may try the gingerbread thing (once fixed) and the competitive race, but probably not often.
I think, in general, I was expecting something with more discovery, exploration, storyline, hanging-around-doing-fun-stuff-with-other-toons rather than just "ways to earn stuff to trade in for other stuff."
I know I may not be typical, however, especially compared to long-time players who have done and seen everything, and for whom earning the new stuff IS the point.
I just wish we could have both types of experiences in these events.
----
YMMV, Woogawoman
Capt. Scrooge McPartypooperpants
Yeesh. Seriously, winning the daily race seemed to have a drop rate of less than 1% for red boxes.
Oh and back then holiday commods were BoP, which meant that you were at the mercy of the RNG if you wanted to buy stuff. And as we all know, the RNG has no mercy. One of my guys had 30+ of one commod left over when the 2011 event was done.
My character Tsin'xing
Would be more fun to get XP from Q for my new Char but I suppose you can't have it all.
How on earth you suppose to get that breen ship because I don't have a clue ????
Greets
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You've upped the difficulty of the fastest game on Ice, No biggie, I can still win and the increased challenge is interesting. First impression is it's better than the snooze fest that was the race last year! I have heard complaints from newer players though, they just can't beat the new difficulty level.
The VO for Q's pavilion, STOP IT O.K., JUST STOP IT! It grew old in the first 2 minutes!
And while I have no interest in the Pie Eating Contest, the noise of people eating is , frankly, disgusting! There is no other way to say it, it's just disgusting! I beg you to turn on the sound and listen to it constantly for 10 minutes, I'll bet you can't stand the sound for more than 2 minutes!
The only way I can stand anywhere in Q's pavilion is to mute both Voice and FX. which is a shame as I like the VO for the Gingerbread Village and the Snowman Invasion, and the weapon sounds.
As for the Gingerbread Village event its self, I've run it a couple of times but never gotten the recipes from it. To have the recipes just for one person is a serious FAIL! So the one person who knows where to look picks it up every time while the unfortunate pleb like me has no chance at the recipe at all! was this even thought through? Better to have random recipes drop from the Final Boss so everyone can pick it up!
Also, to echo points already made, how can you break things that worked fine last year? My main gripe in this is the walking animations on ice, seriously! How could you break something that worked so well?
Any way, that's it for now so, thanks for bringing it back. I look forward to owning the Breen Raider.
Run the race and get 40 autographed pictures of Q, then open the Breen ship project in your rep tab and add the pics ,check back every day until filled.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Lol he is talking about experience bonus from Q. I think he knows how to do the Q Event.
Actually, I think he's referring to the actual process via the Event Reputation project.
It took a few tries for the footrace, as I kept losing the track (yeah, go ahead and laugh). A sign with an arrow would help, otherwise I went into the lake, and then somewhere else, etc. To win the footrace, I suggest double-tapping the up arrow to do a forward roll. This completely stops your forward momentum (no skid), but you then can't move for a moment. Still, that allows you to run full-tilt into a hairpin turn.
The comments are pretty much dead on. Sort of exciting, but it looks like a grind to get temporary snow-weapons. There are also non-obvious issues, such as randomly being attacked by an army of snowmen when you're by yourself exploring, beaming out to Earth Spacedock after defending the Gingermen, and having the snowballs disappear off the taskbar when reloading from a snowbank (and so spending time moving it to a different equipment slot instead of defending my teammates).
Oh, and what exactly are the rewards for the pie eating contest? I've eaten up to 10 pies and nada.
Anyway, Merry Christmas and a Hammy New Year!
Long-term, the best items are the frosted boots(to make you run faster out of combat), and the nanopulse weapons.
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I wish there was a double XP and I don't know how to get the breen ship
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