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gstamo01
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But we all knew it would be now didn't we? All the things we talked about to avoid the penalty are working as described, which makes this fix just laughably inept.
All they have to do is die and sit dead for the entire mission.
Cryptic should have just added the vote-kick option, so that team members can vote to kick an AFK farmer from their team, thus making them zone out and allowing the auto queue to replace them.
People talked about how that could be abused, but I just don't see it. If four people don't want you on their team, for whatever reason, that is not abuse, that is a consensus.
(This is less about Vote To Kick and more about Cryptic addressing the AFK Farmers)
All they have to do is die and sit dead for the entire mission.
Cryptic should have just added the vote-kick option, so that team members can vote to kick an AFK farmer from their team, thus making them zone out and allowing the auto queue to replace them.
People talked about how that could be abused, but I just don't see it. If four people don't want you on their team, for whatever reason, that is not abuse, that is a consensus.
(This is less about Vote To Kick and more about Cryptic addressing the AFK Farmers)
You know Cryptic has Jumped the Proverbial Shark when they introduced Tractor Pulling to Star Trek Online! 
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+1 for b5 quote.
Yes like in NW when you have the wrong Class you get kicked, that is abuse since no one has the Right to tell others how and what they Play.
The abuse could and would happen. You don't see 4 vets kicking a rookie for TRIBBLE up on his first try? I do.
Should have a vote to leave option That way anyone who votes to leave, does not get the time penalty.
What if someones door bell is ringing. you can not simply ignore it,as it could be an important person there.
Sudden need for bathroom breaks is another one,or a phone ringing at anytime of day or night.
I think the AFK rule has not considered the above mentioned.
Nor should it. This is not a solo player game. If these things happen (and they do), you should warp out/beam up out of the mission since you will no longer be participating.
Star Trek Online, Now with out the Trek....
AFKers have always been here.
Unless you have done nothing from the start of the mission, the AFK penalty does not apply. Basically, you can go shoot at one thing, stop, never fire the rest of the mission and get no penalty.
I honestly dislike the entire public queue system and have always found it a flawed implementation. I'd rather have seen something along the lines of a LFG window that had the missions you were looking to do, accompanied by a LFM window that allowed others to invite LFG players onto their team. Be it the story based missions or these STF/Dil/Mark missions.
Sadly, most of the features people would like to see in STO will never happen, as they have a very narrow direction they are following. A direction that churns out the most profit for the least amount of work put into expanding the game. Not that I am ripping on the Devs, they do what they are told to do and it's not their fault. This game could have always been so much more than it is, but it will never be.
Then they can adjust it. this is a new thing and its not going to be fool proof from day 1. its getting better and im sure they will plug the holes that are left.
vote to kick does not work if the people you are with are trolls. some fleets live only to troll people. 4 people could go in as a premade team and get some poor person who has no idea they are going to get kicked moments before the end.
not everyone on the internet is a nice person. in the thousands of pve events that go down i can easily see a few pug teams with 3 or 4 experienced players getting annoyed with some newbie.
at this stage i would rather some afkers still benefit until they can fix it, rather than innocent people get trolled or picked on.
For now... I look forward to the mechanic being tweaked and improved upon.
Star Trek Online, Now with out the Trek....
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There would be people abusing it, but it would really hit the leechers and a few innocents.
But take a look at the current system. It doesn't work and it gets abused, people just leech and AFK like before. This system lets the honest players actually playing pay the price.
I would be for a vote kick system. 3 needed to kick a player.
To be fair, about 80% of Kosh-speak can be applied to anything because it's so damn cryptic.
i doubt that mentality will get any of us anything.
what happens if you needed to afk because you got a phone call and say something terrible happened to one of your family, you think you deserved that like the afk penalty? when the boot is on the other foot, dont assume your immune from it either.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Vote kick could be abused by a select group of players sure, but they would only be able to effect one player at a time. The current system effects four players at a time and in mass, since their are more AFK farmers than their are players that would form groups just to kick teammates.
So long as there is no penalty for being kicked from the team and it took all four of the players to kick the guy, I don't see a problem with it.
If you don't participate you don't deserve the reward. Sorry. Phone calls happen and that's fine, but you shouldn't expect to get rewarded just for queuing up.
These situations do happen to me on occassion, but you know what... I leave the mission with a quick apology to the team. At MAX I get an hour penalty (Leaver Penalty), and you know what... I am perfectly ok with that... because if something so earth shatteringly important came up... I probably won't be back to the game during that time.
Again, and I fail to see how anyone can justify this... if you do not fully participate from beginning to end, why do you feel you deserve any reward, or that you should not be penalized in anyway for joining a TEAM and then leaving them to earn your points for you.
If you need to go AFK, then leave the mission... don't expect others to carry you. If you get tagged with the penalty, then you weren't being part of the team.
Star Trek Online, Now with out the Trek....
Agreed.
In the event that any vote to kick feature is ever implemented in STO, I hereby leave a 'we told you so' right here in this thread for when those calling for it are the victims of it. Until then, having read through several threads on this topic, I doubt they will truly understand why VTK is such a bad idea.
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
So something tragic happens to a family member and you are going to worry about a video game? You priorities are kind of messed up, no offense. :eek:
You talk as if one precludes the other.
i would also hate to explain that to a fleet when several players form together and before they get out the starting blocks the ones who have not done the mission before have to let the others explain the mission out and how it is done and before they know it they are classified afk as well. its a very murky thing this afk.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
it's just how i think, you clearly don't deserve the penalty for such a thing to happen.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
More excuses. This is easily avoided... team before you head in, and cover the strat... then go into the mission, and give reminders throughout the active mission.
Hell, I have hotkeys set-up for all STF's (space), and NWS... so I can prompt quickly without breaking my stride.
Star Trek Online, Now with out the Trek....
Did your momma raise you with any common sense?
Nah, I think we understand it just fine and find it far less abusive than the current system. The difference between the current setup and a VTK is that currently four players pay the price for the farmer over one poor TRIBBLE being kicked from the team for no reason and without a penalty.
Simply removing the ability of VTK from pre-made teams gets rid of troll groups.
+1 for common sense.