I think that if you've fought your way into the middle of an event already, you're probably gonna escape the AFK penalty. Even if you don't, you're going to be gone a lot longer than 2 hours. Perhaps permanently.
As the Klingon proverb states, "Only a fool fights in a burning house."
But what if I get a 2 hour afk penalty and I keel over and die 1 hour and 59 minutes into the penalty due to a massive heart attack?
I bet Cryptic never considered the possibility of me dying during the AFK penalty timer. We should just get rid of it entirely.
i doubt that mentality will get any of us anything.
what happens if you needed to afk because you got a phone call and say something terrible happened to one of your family, you think you deserved that like the afk penalty? when the boot is on the other foot, dont assume your immune from it either.
"I'm sorry my cousin died but I really need to get back to this game before I get a penalty. Can I call you back after I release some Romulans from Tholian tractor beams?" I'm sorry, but over-dramatization is worse than anything. Unless you are a sociopath or something, your gonna care more about some horrible family tragedy than you do a 2 hour penalty. Come on, folks. Comments like this are just outlandish and detract from any valid reasons people may have such as "my bridge officers were not in their seats, my keybinds were narfed by the patch, and my tray was all randomized when I warped in and I got a penalty!"
Uhh huh. I said a while back the only people that would come here crying "exploits! now remove it!" would be the peps hit hard by it (the afkers themselves). I knew from the thread's title that is precisely what it was, and nice to have an admin back that up.
Are you seriously calling me an AFKer because I made a post about the problems I have witnessed and were talked about PRIOR to this new AFK system going live? You sir, have problems. Feel free to look me up in game for your butt kicking.
You know Cryptic has Jumped the Proverbial Shark when they introduced Tractor Pulling to Star Trek Online!
Are you seriously calling me an AFKer because I made a post about the problems I have witnessed and were talked about PRIOR to this new AFK system going live? You sir, have problems. Feel free to look me up in game for your butt kicking.
I said, "would come here and start complaining" (ie, 'would', as in future tense, post-release of a working system). Are you saying your complaining about a non-existing problem now which would be in effort to subvert this new system? If so, then yes, and thanks to Bran putting the facts on the table in an official manner, I would be right.
So either keep twisting my words out of context, or learn to read. And touche, feel free to look me up.
But, oh you did indeed make your complaints POST-Working system and claimed your concerns were current:
OP:
But we all knew it would be now didn't we? All the things we talked about to avoid the penalty are working as described, which makes this fix just laughably inept.
So, indeed, it seems the shoe fits.
Said NO to Arc. Gets punished by not being given a free outfit, free lobi, and free shuttle. Now forced to use Arc's site when trying to get to STO site. Still not rewards for beta testing the Arc website by force. Bravo Cryptic.
what happens if you needed to afk because you got a phone call and say something terrible happened to one of your family, you think you deserved that like the afk penalty?
Unless you're insane, or a total sociopath, a family tragedy will make you not care about a silly AFK-penalty at all. Right?!
That's not abuse, that's a failure of the system matching people up appropriately and being kicked in such a situation isn't about YOU, its about the class loadout to ensure the mission is achievable by the group. No one is telling you what to play, they're telling you they have low confidence that the mission will be won and not be an utter waste of time with your class in combination with their classes. Again, its not all about YOU. And yes, if a group votes to kick you under the premise of receiving a completely new, unknown, random person, then they should have that right. If you don't like it, requeue. If you keep getting votekicked, then perhaps you should check your gear and consider a non-elite first.
And that whole thing was all about YOU! YOU don't want to fail so YOU have the right to kick anyone you please because you think they are going to affect YOU. This is why they don't give a vote/kick. If you want to run elite non-failure missions, there is a system for that - private teams. Then you can kick whomever you want all you want.
And that whole thing was all about YOU! YOU don't want to fail so YOU have the right to kick anyone you please because you think they are going to affect YOU. This is why they don't give a vote/kick. If you want to run elite non-failure missions, there is a system for that - private teams. Then you can kick whomever you want all you want.
Oh yes, its all about me, shame on me for not wanting to waste 1 hour in a mission failing because we lack a tank/dubuffer/dps by making you wait another 15 seconds for a new queue, SHAME ON ME!
Said NO to Arc. Gets punished by not being given a free outfit, free lobi, and free shuttle. Now forced to use Arc's site when trying to get to STO site. Still not rewards for beta testing the Arc website by force. Bravo Cryptic.
Oh yes, its all about me, shame on me for not wanting to waste 1 hour in a mission failing by making you wait another 15 seconds for a new queue, SHAME ON ME!
Go private. Then you don't have to waste an hour. The public queue is all a lot of people have. When you bring your entitlement to eliteness to a vote/kick to pugs, it's about YOU. I believe I smell a troll. Your bridge is calling you.
Go private. Then you don't have to waste an hour. The public queue is all a lot of people have. When you bring your entitlement to eliteness to a vote/kick to pugs, it's about YOU. I believe I smell a troll. Your bridge is calling you.
So you have the right to be in ANY group you wish but I only have the right to go private? Interesting... Are you sure this isn't all about YOU?
Hypocritical troll is hypocritical.
Said NO to Arc. Gets punished by not being given a free outfit, free lobi, and free shuttle. Now forced to use Arc's site when trying to get to STO site. Still not rewards for beta testing the Arc website by force. Bravo Cryptic.
I have to say that I like the new rule. If you are going to play the game and do a STF, make sure your schedule is clear. I have fallen into the trap of a phone call, annoying wife wanting to talk, toilet break, and even if my computer shuts down due to overheating. If you receive the penalty, just accept it and wait the hour.
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So you have the right to be in ANY group you wish but I only have the right to go private? Interesting... Hypocritical troll is hypocritical.
Not hypocritical at all. Pugs have bad players in them at times. They have undergeared players. They have new players. You know this going into them. You get what you get. If you don't want any/all of the above, you have the option to make a private team without them in it. You don't need a vote/kick. The people mentioned above need a public queue. So yes, their right to play trumps your right to be elite and time-effective because you have a system in place to avoid the whole thing. You just like twisting words and turning tables. Either you are purposely provoking (trolling) or you need to be shown where the private teams tab is so you can learn to avoid the public queue and ease your frustrations. You can play wherever you want but you should not be able to kick people in a pug because you don't like their class, their ship, or their person. That is what the private team is for - handpicked people you know. Now, that should be very unhipocrically clear for you. If not, you are just trolling.
So you have the right to be in ANY group you wish but I only have the right to go private? Interesting... Hypocritical troll is hypocritical.
Nice try. No, you have the right to be in *every* queue too: you just don't have the right to expel others from it.
There's actually plenty private channels that don't take on new ppl unless they do like >11k dmg. So, either you didn't make the cut (or you wouldn't be here, b*tching about the pug); or they simply don't like you. Go figure. :P
Well its nice to have an official word to back it up, but i dunno, it doesnt seem to scare these afkers.
Today had to pug the breach on 4 toons. And out of 4 runs, 2 of them had an afker .
Is it possible they still get the dyson commnendation but not the reward box?
I mean why they still do it if there arent any rewards?
I said, "would come here and start complaining" (ie, 'would', as in future tense, post-release of a working system). Are you saying your complaining about a non-existing problem now which would be in effort to subvert this new system? If so, then yes, and thanks to Bran putting the facts on the table in an official manner, I would be right.
So either keep twisting my words out of context, or learn to read. And touche, feel free to look me up.
But, oh you did indeed make your complaints POST-Working system and claimed your concerns were current:
OP:
So, indeed, it seems the shoe fits.
And I posted about how he failed to test it properly senior clown.
You know Cryptic has Jumped the Proverbial Shark when they introduced Tractor Pulling to Star Trek Online!
Well its nice to have an official word to back it up, but i dunno, it doesnt seem to scare these afkers.
Today had to pug the breach on 4 toons. And out of 4 runs, 2 of them had an afker .
Is it possible they still get the dyson commnendation but not the reward box?
I mean why they still do it if there arent any rewards?
Could be testing the waters or they don't realize they are getting a two hour penalty. From what I have been reading as well the rewards on those space missions have been hit or miss.
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So you have the right to be in ANY group you wish but I only have the right to go private? Interesting... Hypocritical troll is hypocritical.
No, it isn't hypocritical at all, because he's not saying that at all. You have the right to do public or private, same as anyone else. What you do not (and should not) have the right to do is enter a public match and demand that everyone else conform to your desires. You don't have the right to judge other people's builds, you don't have the right to kick someone to get a better class match, etc. If being "forced" to deal with John Q. Pugger's terrible build upsets you, you have a solution that doesn't require limiting someone else's fun. You should use it.
If your argument is that your fun requires both that you be able to play with random people and the right to judge, kick, or otherwise control what those other people do, then the problem is your sense of entitlement, lack of maturity, and inability to empathize with others.
Not hypocritical at all. Pugs have bad players in them at times. They have undergeared players. They have new players. You know this going into them. You get what you get. If you don't want any/all of the above, you have the option to make a private team without them in it. You don't need a vote/kick. The people mentioned above need a public queue. So yes, their right to play trumps your right to be elite and time-effective because you have a system in place to avoid the whole thing. You just like twisting words and turning tables. Either you are purposely provoking (trolling) or you need to be shown where the private teams tab is so you can learn to avoid the public queue and ease your frustrations. You can play wherever you want but you should not be able to kick people in a pug because you don't like their class, their ship, or their person. That is what the private team is for - handpicked people you know. Now, that should be very unhipocrically clear for you. If not, you are just trolling.
I disagree fundamentally. I believe everyone has the right to an opportunity to achieve a win. This can't be done when you drag in a Miranda class ship with a ship name of "USS Skittles" when being the only dps ship. Players in that group should have the right to boot whom ever they wish out. Myself? I just take the 1 hour leaver penalty, and log over to another character for a bit. So in essence I already have that ability, so does everyone else with the "Leave System" button. The only problem being, is the USS Skittles gets to sit there and think he's not the problem, where as receiving a big red popup saying "you've been removed from your group" may just catalyze him to figure out what he was doing wrong.
And yes, you indeed just stated that people who want to win do not have the same rights to play pug STF's as YOU -- as you refereed to them implacably as "elitists".
Said NO to Arc. Gets punished by not being given a free outfit, free lobi, and free shuttle. Now forced to use Arc's site when trying to get to STO site. Still not rewards for beta testing the Arc website by force. Bravo Cryptic.
I just don't understand the mentality here that those players who happen to use the public queue system from time to time, for whatever reason, deserve to be punished. That way of thinking has never made any sense to me.
You know Cryptic has Jumped the Proverbial Shark when they introduced Tractor Pulling to Star Trek Online!
I just don't understand the mentality here that those players who happen to use the public queue system from time to time, for whatever reason, deserve to be punished. That way of thinking has never made any sense to me.
If you violate social moray, you should suffer social justice. Thinking you can run around and treat people like TRIBBLE, troll them, etc and be immune to any negative feedback without them too having the same penalty (leaver penalty) is not just sociopathic, its psychotic.
Said NO to Arc. Gets punished by not being given a free outfit, free lobi, and free shuttle. Now forced to use Arc's site when trying to get to STO site. Still not rewards for beta testing the Arc website by force. Bravo Cryptic.
This. I mean what if your wife goes into labor at the exact moment you're running Conduit and are only 900 dil away from getting an Avenger? People should think about that.
I hope you are trying to be funny.. but if you are not I assure you that once your baby is born and the peanlty wears off that you will still be only 900 dill, or there about depending on market changes, from getting an Avenger :P
I hope you are trying to be funny.. but if you are not I assure you that once your baby is born and the peanlty wears off that you will still be only 900 dill, or there about depending on market changes, from getting an Avenger :P
But what if World War III starts after the baby is born and nukes are getting launched around the globe and STO goes down? I bet Cryptic never considered the possibility of nuclear war inhibiting people from playing the game and getting 900 dilithium while their players' spouses are going into labor.
We should just get rid of the AFK penalty. It's clear Cryptic hasn't considered every possible scenario.
I believe everyone has the right to an opportunity to achieve a win.
Except, obviously, when "everyone" includes someone whose build doesn't match your standards. Then that person has no right to drag you down, right?
*sigh*
It's like you were missing on the day they handed out rationality, so you just doubled down on emotional knee-jerk-ism and logical fallacy.
You ARE being an elitist, point blank. You are insisting that someone who isn't as good as you is the problem, and you are asserting that your right to have everything exactly as you want it is greater than someone else's basic right to exist within a public space.
Except, obviously, when "everyone" includes someone whose build doesn't match your standards. Then that person has no right to drag you down, right?
*sigh*
It's like you were missing on the day they handed out rationality, so you just doubled down on emotional knee-jerk-ism and logical fallacy.
You ARE being an elitist, point blank. You are insisting that someone who isn't as good as you is the problem, and you are asserting that your right to have everything exactly as you want it is greater than someone else's basic right to exist within a public space.
Again, if you're in a Miranda ship named "USS Skittles" (I keep saying this because I'VE SEEN IT) with every cannon color under the rainbow, you're obviously trying to troll, and that group gets no benefit from you being there except to watch you troll the dog TRIBBLE out of them. Again, using a mindset of immunizing yourself against social justice is a psychotic mindset at best.
Said NO to Arc. Gets punished by not being given a free outfit, free lobi, and free shuttle. Now forced to use Arc's site when trying to get to STO site. Still not rewards for beta testing the Arc website by force. Bravo Cryptic.
If you violate social moray, you should suffer social justice. Thinking you can run around and treat people like TRIBBLE, troll them, etc and be immune to any negative feedback without them too having the same penalty (leaver penalty) is not just sociopathic, its psychotic.
WTF are you talking about? Are you just trolling or something? How is this response even relevant to what you are quoting?
You know Cryptic has Jumped the Proverbial Shark when they introduced Tractor Pulling to Star Trek Online!
But what if World War III starts after the baby is born and nukes are getting launched around the globe and STO goes down? I bet Cryptic never considered the possibility of nuclear war inhibiting people from playing the game and getting 900 dilithium while their players' spouses are going into labor.
We should just get rid of the AFK penalty. It's clear Cryptic hasn't considered every possible scenario.
well now we know you are messing with us.. good... but if WW3 is breaking out or God help us a zombie attack or something and STO goes down would it even matter if you had an Avenger? I mean STO would be down and you couldn't use it anyway :P
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But what if I get a 2 hour afk penalty and I keel over and die 1 hour and 59 minutes into the penalty due to a massive heart attack?
I bet Cryptic never considered the possibility of me dying during the AFK penalty timer. We should just get rid of it entirely.
"I'm sorry my cousin died but I really need to get back to this game before I get a penalty. Can I call you back after I release some Romulans from Tholian tractor beams?" I'm sorry, but over-dramatization is worse than anything. Unless you are a sociopath or something, your gonna care more about some horrible family tragedy than you do a 2 hour penalty. Come on, folks. Comments like this are just outlandish and detract from any valid reasons people may have such as "my bridge officers were not in their seats, my keybinds were narfed by the patch, and my tray was all randomized when I warped in and I got a penalty!"
Are you seriously calling me an AFKer because I made a post about the problems I have witnessed and were talked about PRIOR to this new AFK system going live? You sir, have problems. Feel free to look me up in game for your butt kicking.
I said, "would come here and start complaining" (ie, 'would', as in future tense, post-release of a working system). Are you saying your complaining about a non-existing problem now which would be in effort to subvert this new system? If so, then yes, and thanks to Bran putting the facts on the table in an official manner, I would be right.
So either keep twisting my words out of context, or learn to read. And touche, feel free to look me up.
But, oh you did indeed make your complaints POST-Working system and claimed your concerns were current:
OP:
So, indeed, it seems the shoe fits.
Unless you're insane, or a total sociopath, a family tragedy will make you not care about a silly AFK-penalty at all. Right?!
And that whole thing was all about YOU! YOU don't want to fail so YOU have the right to kick anyone you please because you think they are going to affect YOU. This is why they don't give a vote/kick. If you want to run elite non-failure missions, there is a system for that - private teams. Then you can kick whomever you want all you want.
Oh yes, its all about me, shame on me for not wanting to waste 1 hour in a mission failing because we lack a tank/dubuffer/dps by making you wait another 15 seconds for a new queue, SHAME ON ME!
Go private. Then you don't have to waste an hour. The public queue is all a lot of people have. When you bring your entitlement to eliteness to a vote/kick to pugs, it's about YOU. I believe I smell a troll. Your bridge is calling you.
Insane sociopaths? In MY Star Trek Online forums?
It's more likely than you think...
So you have the right to be in ANY group you wish but I only have the right to go private? Interesting... Are you sure this isn't all about YOU?
Hypocritical troll is hypocritical.
Not hypocritical at all. Pugs have bad players in them at times. They have undergeared players. They have new players. You know this going into them. You get what you get. If you don't want any/all of the above, you have the option to make a private team without them in it. You don't need a vote/kick. The people mentioned above need a public queue. So yes, their right to play trumps your right to be elite and time-effective because you have a system in place to avoid the whole thing. You just like twisting words and turning tables. Either you are purposely provoking (trolling) or you need to be shown where the private teams tab is so you can learn to avoid the public queue and ease your frustrations. You can play wherever you want but you should not be able to kick people in a pug because you don't like their class, their ship, or their person. That is what the private team is for - handpicked people you know. Now, that should be very unhipocrically clear for you. If not, you are just trolling.
Nice try. No, you have the right to be in *every* queue too: you just don't have the right to expel others from it.
There's actually plenty private channels that don't take on new ppl unless they do like >11k dmg. So, either you didn't make the cut (or you wouldn't be here, b*tching about the pug); or they simply don't like you. Go figure. :P
Today had to pug the breach on 4 toons. And out of 4 runs, 2 of them had an afker
Is it possible they still get the dyson commnendation but not the reward box?
I mean why they still do it if there arent any rewards?
And I posted about how he failed to test it properly senior clown.
Could be testing the waters or they don't realize they are getting a two hour penalty. From what I have been reading as well the rewards on those space missions have been hit or miss.
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No, it isn't hypocritical at all, because he's not saying that at all. You have the right to do public or private, same as anyone else. What you do not (and should not) have the right to do is enter a public match and demand that everyone else conform to your desires. You don't have the right to judge other people's builds, you don't have the right to kick someone to get a better class match, etc. If being "forced" to deal with John Q. Pugger's terrible build upsets you, you have a solution that doesn't require limiting someone else's fun. You should use it.
If your argument is that your fun requires both that you be able to play with random people and the right to judge, kick, or otherwise control what those other people do, then the problem is your sense of entitlement, lack of maturity, and inability to empathize with others.
I disagree fundamentally. I believe everyone has the right to an opportunity to achieve a win. This can't be done when you drag in a Miranda class ship with a ship name of "USS Skittles" when being the only dps ship. Players in that group should have the right to boot whom ever they wish out. Myself? I just take the 1 hour leaver penalty, and log over to another character for a bit. So in essence I already have that ability, so does everyone else with the "Leave System" button. The only problem being, is the USS Skittles gets to sit there and think he's not the problem, where as receiving a big red popup saying "you've been removed from your group" may just catalyze him to figure out what he was doing wrong.
And yes, you indeed just stated that people who want to win do not have the same rights to play pug STF's as YOU -- as you refereed to them implacably as "elitists".
If you violate social moray, you should suffer social justice. Thinking you can run around and treat people like TRIBBLE, troll them, etc and be immune to any negative feedback without them too having the same penalty (leaver penalty) is not just sociopathic, its psychotic.
I hope you are trying to be funny.. but if you are not I assure you that once your baby is born and the peanlty wears off that you will still be only 900 dill, or there about depending on market changes, from getting an Avenger :P
But what if World War III starts after the baby is born and nukes are getting launched around the globe and STO goes down? I bet Cryptic never considered the possibility of nuclear war inhibiting people from playing the game and getting 900 dilithium while their players' spouses are going into labor.
We should just get rid of the AFK penalty. It's clear Cryptic hasn't considered every possible scenario.
Except, obviously, when "everyone" includes someone whose build doesn't match your standards. Then that person has no right to drag you down, right?
*sigh*
It's like you were missing on the day they handed out rationality, so you just doubled down on emotional knee-jerk-ism and logical fallacy.
You ARE being an elitist, point blank. You are insisting that someone who isn't as good as you is the problem, and you are asserting that your right to have everything exactly as you want it is greater than someone else's basic right to exist within a public space.
Again, if you're in a Miranda ship named "USS Skittles" (I keep saying this because I'VE SEEN IT) with every cannon color under the rainbow, you're obviously trying to troll, and that group gets no benefit from you being there except to watch you troll the dog TRIBBLE out of them. Again, using a mindset of immunizing yourself against social justice is a psychotic mindset at best.
WTF are you talking about? Are you just trolling or something? How is this response even relevant to what you are quoting?
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well now we know you are messing with us.. good... but if WW3 is breaking out or God help us a zombie attack or something and STO goes down would it even matter if you had an Avenger? I mean STO would be down and you couldn't use it anyway :P