Yeah, I'm not a big fan of geko either but enough of the personal attacks. You make yourself look childish by doing so.
He brought this on himself when he said in an interview it was he that wanted [insert aggressive bio-engineered carnivorous bipeds with compacted heat and light emitting arrays on their craniums] and then made the team make it.
for all the ire people will give over the item itself... calling him out personally over his own ego is his own making, not ours.
We don't want what the Feds have. We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent, and passionate belief that the enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while.
He brought this on himself when he said in an interview it was he that wanted [insert aggressive bio-engineered carnivorous bipeds with compacted heat and light emitting arrays on their craniums] and then made the team make it.
for all the ire people will give over the item itself... calling him out personally over his own ego is his own making, not ours.
And yet, how well has that worked out for his (geko) "detractors"? Have they've gotten what they wanted? Nope.
Maybe this is some type of "reality TV logic" where some people believe that the more that they insult people (the devs), the more that they get what they want.
Again, how well has that worked out in this game? (not at all)
And yet, how well has that worked out for his (geko) "detractors"? Have they've gotten what they wanted? Nope.
Maybe this is some type of "reality TV logic" where some people believe that the more that they insult people (the devs), the more that they get what they want.
Again, how well has that worked out in this game? (not at all)
I never insinuated that their ranting would change anything in-game just that Geko's ego inflated the issue to the point of personal attack.
"Welcome to the internet my friend. You must be new here."
See? That can seem both egotistical AND like a personal attack if it wasn't widely regarded as a meme for people who don't understand why people do crazy things online.
Still, it doesn't negate the fact that Geko has said, on more than one occasion, that this was all his idea. If even a minuscule portion hate it... they'll blame and attack the person they feel responsible. That man is the one who says it was his idea.
We don't want what the Feds have. We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent, and passionate belief that the enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while.
Tell me something from the last year that is even remotely similar.
You mean like the lobi change that people asked for
or the revamped reputation system that people asked for (which they have improved even while on tribble based on feedback)
or increasing the rewards of dilithium and marks that people asked for
or releasing a fleet holding that made the others easier to get that people asked for
or making it easier to level up alts in the rep system that people asked for
or dealing with the AFKers that people asked for
or making a romulan faction that people asked for
or restricting romulans from using tier 5 faction ships that people asked for
or a summer event that people asked for
or adding starbases that people asked for
or making klingons start at level 1 that people asked for
or improving cruisers and carriers with science ships to follow that people asked for
or adding a dyson sphere that people asked for
or adding a territory control map that people asked for
if you look around from time to time you might actually see that a ton of stuff is added that people want. Sure some of it may have happened anyway but all of this stuff is not being added by blind luck but because people asked for it.
You mean like the lobi change that people asked for
or the revamped reputation system that people asked for (which they have improved even while on tribble based on feedback)
or increasing the rewards of dilithium and marks that people asked for
or releasing a fleet holding that made the others easier to get that people asked for
or making it easier to level up alts in the rep system that people asked for
or dealing with the AFKers that people asked for
or making a romulan faction that people asked for
or restricting romulans from using tier 5 faction ships that people asked for
or a summer event that people asked for
or adding starbases that people asked for
or making klingons start at level 1 that people asked for
or improving cruisers and carriers with science ships to follow that people asked for
or adding a dyson sphere that people asked for
or adding a territory control map that people asked for
if you look around from time to time you might actually see that a ton of stuff is added that people want. Sure some of it may have happened anyway but all of this stuff is not being added by blind luck but because people asked for it.
or increasing the rewards of dilithium and marks that people asked for
dil rewards increased, but the ammount of dil necessary for anything now, is absurd, i'm not sure how marks increase either.
or improving cruisers and carriers with science ships to follow that people asked for
they improved cruisers, but not carriers, pets still tend to fly to the other side of the galaxy for some random reason, and you can't respawn them anymore, also science ships weren't improved, they continue to be the most laughable thing ever.
or releasing a fleet holding that made the others easier to get that people asked for
as they should, considering the necessary dil was and still is insane to get to t5.
or making it easier to level up alts in the rep system that people asked for
still not good enough, they should make the thing account wide or at least faction wide, there is no point not to, it just harms people who like alts.
or dealing with the AFKers that people asked for
as they should
or making a romulan faction that people asked for
a game always needs new content, and the romulans were one of the big three, not putting a romulan faction eventually would be silly imo.
or restricting romulans from using tier 5 faction ships that people asked for
as they should, otherwise there would be no point in playing FED or KDF
or making klingons start at level 1 that people asked for
as they should, considering they promissed it.
get back to me when they actually fix bugs and fix science in PvE, and manage to make a new season release without horribly breaking several things in the game for a few weeks, like LoR did.
I agree, so many toons demanding this and that and they could care less about what has been done already to focus on what 'they' want and 'now' not thinking of the rest of us including them. It's crazy and frankly sad. We all obviously play because of interest of the game, but when you start rediculous posts about 'demands, requests and being disenchanted' you really need to step back and let the developers do what they need to, on behalf of the majority of us as a whole and drop the negativety.
Hello, you bought the game to play it. I'd honestly hate to be the person to sell you a $35k automobile, because after 3 yrs/36,000, you'd probably be those that carry on after the warranty ran out or even years later.
Now where is Fred, Barney, Betty, Wilma and Pebbles and my rockin dino-rex with lazers..
Gauging by how it was in the beginning. Lots of things were changed because they listened to, and discussed with the community.
Let's look at changes to KDF.
In season 3:
KDF started at level 8, and were unlocked by reaching 8 on a Fed char.
KDF had a short, half-baked, non-tutorial that didn't do much except give you your starting stuff.
KDF had to level up by grinding daily missions because there wasn't any other way for them to get XP.
All of those were things the players complained about and asked the devs to fix.
Now:
KDF start at level 1, and have a proper tutorial.
KDF can now go from 1 to 50 on just the story missions.
or the revamped reputation system that people asked for (which they have improved even while on tribble based on feedback)
Okay, they listened when they were about to actually make the new reputation system worse than the old ones, and those will remain the way they are. Still, point for you.
or releasing a fleet holding that made the others easier to get that people asked for
People didn't ask for a fleet holding that made the others cheaper, they asked for a way to make fleet holdings more affordable for small fleets, something the mine fails spectacularly at. Sick joke from you.
or making klingons start at level 1 that people asked for
Do you remember before the game was released when they promised full PvE content for both factions? Or when the game was released and Klingons could start at level 1 but there was only PvP? I remember each and every one of the sad steps the Klingon faction took. Citing Cryptic finally delivering what they promised before the game was released as evidence for them listening to players is supposed to be a joke, isn't it? But sure, if people just would have accepted the useless PvP-Klingons they wouldn't have any PvE-content now...
or improving cruisers and carriers with science ships to follow that people asked for
Demands which are old as time itself. I don't know of any real plans for science ships, the new carrier interface was awesome for a short time, then they removed the commands from the hotbar, the pets still like to stare into warp core breaches and the cruiser improvements were sold first on a C-Store ship.
Same as the Romulan faction, there is only so much canon Star Trek, anything the Devs come up with is something, someone will have asked for at some time.
if you look around from time to time you might actually see that a ton of stuff is added that people want. Sure some of it may have happened anyway but all of this stuff is not being added by blind luck but because people asked for it.
Not my impression most of the time. Stuff is added because it is somehow Star Trek related and the Devs think that it's cool. Since it is Star Trek-related there are most of the time enough people who like it too.
FKA K-Tar, grumpy Klingon/El-Aurian hybrid. Now assimilated by PWE.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
People didn't ask for a fleet holding that made the others cheaper, they asked for a way to make fleet holdings more affordable for small fleets, something the mine fails spectacularly at.
This is true. It really didn't help small fleets as advertised. And it didn't help large fleets either since it reduced their fleet credit potential. Where they are now making up for it by making mule fleets.
And then after LoR they said that the mines wasn't the thing that was going to help small fleets, and they was planning something with Season 8. Now Season 8 is here and there is nothing that's going to help small fleets at all. Which is more needed since the Klingon Queues are dead and you be lucky to even get into one group during a Fleet Mark event. It's that bad.
Again, that took half an eternity for a surprisingly simple solution.
Not to mention it's not what people was expecting. In order to get a discount you have to have one character at Tier 5, which costs 100 marks per character. So you are better off grinding it the old way. Players wanted a discount on characters from the beginning that made it easier to grind.
They didn't do a good job listening on that respect. :rolleyes:
Do you remember before the game was released when they promised full PvE content for both factions? Or when the game was released and Klingons could start at level 1 but there was only PvP? I remember each and every one of the sad steps the Klingon faction took. Citing Cryptic finally delivering what they promised before the game was released as evidence for them listening to players is supposed to be a joke, isn't it? But sure, if people just would have accepted the useless PvP-Klingons they wouldn't have any PvE-content now...
What's sad is that it took them 3 years to do a copy and paste of the Federation missions. :rolleyes:
They would've done better if they just canonized some Foundry missions.
You mean like the lobi change that people asked for
or the revamped reputation system that people asked for (which they have improved even while on tribble based on feedback)
or increasing the rewards of dilithium and marks that people asked for
or releasing a fleet holding that made the others easier to get that people asked for
or making it easier to level up alts in the rep system that people asked for
or dealing with the AFKers that people asked for
or making a romulan faction that people asked for
or restricting romulans from using tier 5 faction ships that people asked for
or a summer event that people asked for
or adding starbases that people asked for
or making klingons start at level 1 that people asked for
or improving cruisers and carriers with science ships to follow that people asked for
or adding a dyson sphere that people asked for
or adding a territory control map that people asked for
if you look around from time to time you might actually see that a ton of stuff is added that people want. Sure some of it may have happened anyway but all of this stuff is not being added by blind luck but because people asked for it.
or increasing the rewards of dilithium and marks that people asked for
dil rewards increased, but the ammount of dil necessary for anything now, is absurd, i'm not sure how marks increase either.
or improving cruisers and carriers with science ships to follow that people asked for
they improved cruisers, but not carriers, pets still tend to fly to the other side of the galaxy for some random reason, and you can't respawn them anymore, also science ships weren't improved, they continue to be the most laughable thing ever.
or releasing a fleet holding that made the others easier to get that people asked for
as they should, considering the necessary dil was and still is insane to get to t5.
or making it easier to level up alts in the rep system that people asked for
still not good enough, they should make the thing account wide or at least faction wide, there is no point not to, it just harms people who like alts.
or dealing with the AFKers that people asked for
as they should
or making a romulan faction that people asked for
a game always needs new content, and the romulans were one of the big three, not putting a romulan faction eventually would be silly imo.
or restricting romulans from using tier 5 faction ships that people asked for
as they should, otherwise there would be no point in playing FED or KDF
or making klingons start at level 1 that people asked for
as they should, considering they promissed it.
get back to me when they actually fix bugs and fix science in PvE, and manage to make a new season release without horribly breaking several things in the game for a few weeks, like LoR did.
THEN i think everyone will be truly impressed.
Long story short, we can continue to split hairs until we're down to the nano scale and then what? Continue down to attometers? Nobody will ever be fully satisfied, as shown here by your examples. Once one thing has been added, another group starts whining for more content. Matter of fact, I'm surprised that the devs or anyone have not quit their jobs yet as a result of this kind of incessant whining, and I am quite inclined to show up in Cryptic's STO department with a dozen donuts and coffee just from reading those two lists alone.
Where they are now making up for it by making mule fleets.
Lol, I don't even join mule fleets, I jump from fleet to fleet on alts looking for places where I can get FCs fast. They need to add some mission to just dump massive amounts of fleet marks for fleet credits and get provisions for tier 5 fleets.
I think Geko is the "root of all evil" in STO. Okay that is a bit of an exaggeration. But this is the dev who said
1) PvP is balanced
2) Science vessels are viable as is
3) Dinosaurs with Freakin' lasers are cool
4) Escorts are not OP
...
The list goes on and on. Clearly he has a strong vision of this game ... and it is one scary nightmare of a vision.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Long story short, we can continue to split hairs until we're down to the nano scale and then what? Continue down to attometers? Nobody will ever be fully satisfied, as shown here by your examples. Once one thing has been added, another group starts whining for more content. Matter of fact, I'm surprised that the devs or anyone have not quit their jobs yet as a result of this kind of incessant whining, and I am quite inclined to show up in Cryptic's STO department with a dozen donuts and coffee just from reading those two lists alone.
why would they quit their jobs, cryptic is doing great, getting nice profits, devs don't even post on most topics, they get away with outrageous stuff, like all those bugs, it seems like a pretty good job to me.
What interviews have you been following? I have heard him say escorts are too powerful in all 3 of the last interviews where he has been asked about it. He also goes on to say that they cannot nerf the escorts as the backlash from the fans would be too terrible. That is why they are slowly working to increase the other classes, as with the new cruiser conn arrays.
why would they quit their jobs, cryptic is doing great, getting nice profits, devs don't even post on most topics, they get away with outrageous stuff, like all those bugs, it seems like a pretty good job to me.
The article repeatedly mentions "harass" but doesn't quote many examples (actually any). For the most part I see a lot of detailed and thoughtful criticism here along with bouts of passionate vitriol. Of course when fans (Trekkie) are ignored in favor of dinos with lasers then an allowance must be made for the frustration.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Not my impression most of the time. Stuff is added because it is somehow Star Trek related and the Devs think that it's cool. Since it is Star Trek-related there are most of the time enough people who like it too.
You asked for examples of time cryptic listened to us. You gave examples of things you did not like but you appreciated they listened.
Well all of those things were asked for. Some took time, some were modifications of what people asked for, but you're just going to split hairs.
They do listen to our feedback and the game is constantly shaped by our feedback you just can't see it because you no longer want to see it.
The article repeatedly mentions "harass" but doesn't quote many examples (actually any). For the most part I see a lot of detailed and thoughtful criticism here along with bouts of passionate vitriol. Of course when fans (Trekkie) are ignored in favor of dinos with lasers then an allowance must be made for the frustration.
Except that some fans (Trekkie) are fine with the direction of the game, any many of the requests from fans are responded to. The updates to cruisers, 3rd person ground game, expanded Klingon content, Romulan gameplay. All of these requested by fans, and while you may not like the way these things were handled some do. No company will ever be able to please everyone.
[...]For the most part I see a lot of detailed and thoughtful criticism here along with bouts of passionate vitriol. [...]
You see what?
Detailed? Dude... ANYTHING that can be scribbled onto a DIN A4 Paper is NOT detailed... that are some stray thoughts put together!
Thoughtful? Really, what current topics are "Thoughtful" and not just typical Trekkie-High-Horse-looking-down-to-peasants-whine?
Please provide examples, I am curious as to how much your view is skewed...
What interviews have you been following? I have heard him say escorts are too powerful in all 3 of the last interviews where he has been asked about it. He also goes on to say that they cannot nerf the escorts as the backlash from the fans would be too terrible. That is why they are slowly working to increase the other classes, as with the new cruiser conn arrays.
You're the one following the wrong interviews. In the September 20th Interview A Dev, he specifically says quote:
My take as Lead Designer is that the problem is not significant. Stop off at any social hub or sector space and there are plenty of cruisers, carriers and science vessels that players fly. Now, that all being said, I don't deny the effectiveness of Escorts, and I'm not saying we are not interested in offering new options.
That's like saying world hunger isn't a problem because I see a lot of people in restaurants. And yeah, he "doesn't deny the effectiveness of Escorts". Just like I don't deny that a whack on the head hurts: Simply because it is impossible to deny.
Prior to this interview, every statement out of him is "escorts are balanced". He has ignored and denied the elephant for so long until it has effectively taken up every square millimeter of the room that it has now become impossible to sweep away.
A redundant statement, since polls were posted, giving us the impression that they were interested in our opinions.
However, whilst I freely conceed that one, or more, of the races in the poll in question may be introduced at a later date, it is still noteworthy that the Voth don't appear on the poll at all, suggesting that they had clearly already decided that the Voth were being added and didn't really care what we thought about that.
As it stands, the Krenim won that poll, with 885 votes (a 44.74% majority).
keep in mind krenim can still come in to play just wont be as soon as you hope or thought i do recall one poll going back to the start of the game asking what faction you like to play next in sto and the one that won took 3 years to come in
They would need to hire more people to fix the bugs faster, as they already have a team working on finding and fixing bugs as fast a they can. And writers don't implement stories. They could hire 50 writers, but that doesn't get the stories into the game. For that you need artists, animators, programmers, etc. Now I supposed you want Cryptic to hire more people to do that too?
Now how are you going to pay for all those new bug fixers, writers, artists, animators, programmers, etc? Well, I guess that means you need more Lockboxes, more C-Store items, more Lobi Store items, etc - and more importantly you need players willing to buy stuff even faster then it's currently being produced and sold to us - not to mention you'll probably need to hire more new people just to make more stuff because of all the new people hired.
It's never as simple as simply saying: do what I want done.
Sir... do you work for Cryptic? :eek:
Because every bloody time you ignore everything to stand up and defend them...
Besides, they don't need to hire writers, most of the companys work with content like newspapers do... they can put some Foundry writers together, define some guidelines and let them create... if the content is good enough, pay them. A LOT of companys do just that... not with the community like Foundry, but we have really good people there.
If you ever managed any project, you should know that put more people working some times doesn't mean you'll get the job done. If you have a bad leader managing the team... even 100 people there wouldn't accomplish the goal.
-- "If we're going to be damned, let's be damned for what we really are." - Jean-Luc Picard
You got it. The OP appears to be an offshoot one of those characters from the 300+ page Galaxy thread who insults everybody who doesn't agree with them, and then cry "foul" when they get insulted in return. They're easy to spot because they are usually their own worst enemies when trying to "advance their cause".
For example, the OP went into automatic "attack mode" in his very FIRST post, conjecturing on Geko's "ego", while paradoxically demanding that Geko makes the changes that HE wants because HE wants it, and if HE wants it, in his mind, EVERYBODY wants it.
They have this habit of telling everyone else what "real trek" is, but when any inconsistencies is pointed out in their "logic", they then blame "the writers'", instead of acknowledging the there could be FLAWS in their interpretation. They constantly whine about every little thing, but STILL play the game.
So much innuendo and you both didn't talk about ny of my arguments, just attacked me. This doesn't make me wrong or you right.
I was never in automatic attack mode or that TRIBBLE you said insulting me. But... enough said, so much people here really arguing about what I said and people like you just know to insult.
-- "If we're going to be damned, let's be damned for what we really are." - Jean-Luc Picard
Again, read what I said. I said that when anyone disagrees with them, then then insult people for having their own opinions, and then proceeds to tell everyone what "real trek" is. Did you not see this happening is this very thread?
His first words were talking about Geko's "ego" and then proceeded to lecture about what "real trek" is, and then attempted to cite unsubstantiated "statistics" in furtherance of the lecture. His tone has been insulting and condescending, and quite frankly makes him open to scrunity.
Quote me where I offended people that disagree with me. Please.
I never lectured anyone with anything, I just pointed out my opinion, if you are not mature enough to understand the difference, please, stop making assumptions about me and start talking about the subjects at hand on the thread.
In a way, I was shocked by that behaviour. I have never seen anyone on the forum take an almost direct attack on Dev before.
Congratulations! :rolleyes:
(Semi-Sarcasm about the congratulations, although if there was award for it, that is uslaly what the award giver says)
I never attacked him, just pointed out the behavior that WE ALL have witnessed in the past weeks. Add to that past decisions that many players debated.
"I don't like Geko and I don't have any argument to prove why he is a bad leader", ok that's an attack. What I said was "I disagree with the joke Geko did with the Klingon ship and with some of the decisions they make. The way they portrayed the dinosaurs and other content decisions seems that the DEV team only watch him make decisions out of his ego" That's an argument, with basis and my opinion... see the difference?
What bugs me the most about the Cryptic apologists on here is they constantly gloss over the fact that Cryptic claimed it didn't have enough staff to do KDF ships b/c they were working on the voth and then a starfleet battlecruiser comes out... Just stop obfuscating and be truthful for once. You have enough staff for starfleet and romulans but not enough for KDF ships, or whoever is calling the shots no longer thinks the KDF is a priority based on some biased interpretations of in house stats. All in all, I'm getting sick of the half baked excuses from the players and the devs.
Trying to be fair and objective, I think the biggest mistake Cryptic made with the Bortisque was to release it as an Odyssey reskin instead of taking more time to make a unique KDF ship that was not in the same category, that is, not in terms of power but in terms of different abilities, turn-rate, looks and such. In the case of the KDF ships, stop trying to make Federation rehashes and throw out the rule book. Go for something totally unique like a Cryptic-made Feresan or Lethean science ship.
Looking at it another way, just because the Feds get a ship with 5 fore weapons doesn't mean the KDF should get an avenger battle cruiser reskin. Do we honestly really want that people?
Cosmic is always defending the devs on here. 95% of the time he is right but he is biased like all of us He also comes from a business background so he cuts the devs a little more slack because he understands that a lot of the decisions the devs make come down to limited time and resources and how to best allocate those often isn't even up to them. However, customers are the gods in capitalism and no matter how good a business background you have, if you're customers don't see much value in your product, they will go find another and leave you in the dust.
Let's be fair here. PWE brought STO back to life from the ashes and Cryptic is doing a decent job, but they still got a long ways to go to take this game to it's fullest potential. That being said, I still don't think PWE is investing enough into this game. I get the impression that the team is always understaffed when it's just the opposite that should be happening. Ideally, each faction should have it's own special Cryptic team and factions should be independent of each other in the game. However, PWE refuses to put more money into the game b/c that's just how they run P2W MMO's-as little staff as possible with just enough content made to ensure that profits are regularly made. I guess that's just one of the realities that we as players are going to have to contend with while this game is still going.
wow ppl using a poll to nit pick something when the poll asking for what faction we like to play next was done in 2010 and when did we get romulans 3 years later..... just because something wins a poll dont mean its going to happen right away because we really going to use polls to nit pick then lets nit pick this one http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=379951 kdf should be getting more content followed by More Feature Episodes and Improve PVP
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He brought this on himself when he said in an interview it was he that wanted [insert aggressive bio-engineered carnivorous bipeds with compacted heat and light emitting arrays on their craniums] and then made the team make it.
for all the ire people will give over the item itself... calling him out personally over his own ego is his own making, not ours.
And yet, how well has that worked out for his (geko) "detractors"? Have they've gotten what they wanted? Nope.
Maybe this is some type of "reality TV logic" where some people believe that the more that they insult people (the devs), the more that they get what they want.
Again, how well has that worked out in this game? (not at all)
I never insinuated that their ranting would change anything in-game just that Geko's ego inflated the issue to the point of personal attack.
"Welcome to the internet my friend. You must be new here."
See? That can seem both egotistical AND like a personal attack if it wasn't widely regarded as a meme for people who don't understand why people do crazy things online.
Still, it doesn't negate the fact that Geko has said, on more than one occasion, that this was all his idea. If even a minuscule portion hate it... they'll blame and attack the person they feel responsible. That man is the one who says it was his idea.
You mean like the lobi change that people asked for
or the revamped reputation system that people asked for (which they have improved even while on tribble based on feedback)
or increasing the rewards of dilithium and marks that people asked for
or releasing a fleet holding that made the others easier to get that people asked for
or making it easier to level up alts in the rep system that people asked for
or dealing with the AFKers that people asked for
or making a romulan faction that people asked for
or restricting romulans from using tier 5 faction ships that people asked for
or a summer event that people asked for
or adding starbases that people asked for
or making klingons start at level 1 that people asked for
or improving cruisers and carriers with science ships to follow that people asked for
or adding a dyson sphere that people asked for
or adding a territory control map that people asked for
if you look around from time to time you might actually see that a ton of stuff is added that people want. Sure some of it may have happened anyway but all of this stuff is not being added by blind luck but because people asked for it.
or increasing the rewards of dilithium and marks that people asked for
dil rewards increased, but the ammount of dil necessary for anything now, is absurd, i'm not sure how marks increase either.
or improving cruisers and carriers with science ships to follow that people asked for
they improved cruisers, but not carriers, pets still tend to fly to the other side of the galaxy for some random reason, and you can't respawn them anymore, also science ships weren't improved, they continue to be the most laughable thing ever.
or releasing a fleet holding that made the others easier to get that people asked for
as they should, considering the necessary dil was and still is insane to get to t5.
or making it easier to level up alts in the rep system that people asked for
still not good enough, they should make the thing account wide or at least faction wide, there is no point not to, it just harms people who like alts.
or dealing with the AFKers that people asked for
as they should
or making a romulan faction that people asked for
a game always needs new content, and the romulans were one of the big three, not putting a romulan faction eventually would be silly imo.
or restricting romulans from using tier 5 faction ships that people asked for
as they should, otherwise there would be no point in playing FED or KDF
or making klingons start at level 1 that people asked for
as they should, considering they promissed it.
get back to me when they actually fix bugs and fix science in PvE, and manage to make a new season release without horribly breaking several things in the game for a few weeks, like LoR did.
THEN i think everyone will be truly impressed.
Hello, you bought the game to play it. I'd honestly hate to be the person to sell you a $35k automobile, because after 3 yrs/36,000, you'd probably be those that carry on after the warranty ran out or even years later.
Now where is Fred, Barney, Betty, Wilma and Pebbles and my rockin dino-rex with lazers..
In season 3:
KDF started at level 8, and were unlocked by reaching 8 on a Fed char.
KDF had a short, half-baked, non-tutorial that didn't do much except give you your starting stuff.
KDF had to level up by grinding daily missions because there wasn't any other way for them to get XP.
All of those were things the players complained about and asked the devs to fix.
Now:
KDF start at level 1, and have a proper tutorial.
KDF can now go from 1 to 50 on just the story missions.
So, yeah...
My character Tsin'xing
And how long did that take? The things I described were changed when they were on Tribble.
Okay, they listened when they were about to actually make the new reputation system worse than the old ones, and those will remain the way they are. Still, point for you.
Maybe would have seen something of that if Tribble wasn't buggy as hell at the moment.
People didn't ask for a fleet holding that made the others cheaper, they asked for a way to make fleet holdings more affordable for small fleets, something the mine fails spectacularly at. Sick joke from you.
Again, that took half an eternity for a surprisingly simple solution.
Took half an eternity and then got the people who were best at Azure Nebula.
Okay, now you're grasping at straws. I'm pretty sure you could find to everything that is added to the game at least one post that asked for it.
As far as I remember that was CBS.
Same as the Romulan faction. Yes, a few people asked for it at some point in time, doesn't mean it was the reason.
That was over a year ago.
Do you remember before the game was released when they promised full PvE content for both factions? Or when the game was released and Klingons could start at level 1 but there was only PvP? I remember each and every one of the sad steps the Klingon faction took. Citing Cryptic finally delivering what they promised before the game was released as evidence for them listening to players is supposed to be a joke, isn't it? But sure, if people just would have accepted the useless PvP-Klingons they wouldn't have any PvE-content now...
Demands which are old as time itself. I don't know of any real plans for science ships, the new carrier interface was awesome for a short time, then they removed the commands from the hotbar, the pets still like to stare into warp core breaches and the cruiser improvements were sold first on a C-Store ship.
Same as the Romulan faction, there is only so much canon Star Trek, anything the Devs come up with is something, someone will have asked for at some time.
Wasn't that request for a PvP territory control map?
Not my impression most of the time. Stuff is added because it is somehow Star Trek related and the Devs think that it's cool. Since it is Star Trek-related there are most of the time enough people who like it too.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
This is true. It really didn't help small fleets as advertised. And it didn't help large fleets either since it reduced their fleet credit potential. Where they are now making up for it by making mule fleets.
And then after LoR they said that the mines wasn't the thing that was going to help small fleets, and they was planning something with Season 8. Now Season 8 is here and there is nothing that's going to help small fleets at all. Which is more needed since the Klingon Queues are dead and you be lucky to even get into one group during a Fleet Mark event. It's that bad.
Not to mention it's not what people was expecting. In order to get a discount you have to have one character at Tier 5, which costs 100 marks per character. So you are better off grinding it the old way. Players wanted a discount on characters from the beginning that made it easier to grind.
They didn't do a good job listening on that respect. :rolleyes:
What's sad is that it took them 3 years to do a copy and paste of the Federation missions. :rolleyes:
They would've done better if they just canonized some Foundry missions.
Long story short, we can continue to split hairs until we're down to the nano scale and then what? Continue down to attometers? Nobody will ever be fully satisfied, as shown here by your examples. Once one thing has been added, another group starts whining for more content. Matter of fact, I'm surprised that the devs or anyone have not quit their jobs yet as a result of this kind of incessant whining, and I am quite inclined to show up in Cryptic's STO department with a dozen donuts and coffee just from reading those two lists alone.
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
Why are you not rejoicing?
Lol, I don't even join mule fleets, I jump from fleet to fleet on alts looking for places where I can get FCs fast. They need to add some mission to just dump massive amounts of fleet marks for fleet credits and get provisions for tier 5 fleets.
1) PvP is balanced
2) Science vessels are viable as is
3) Dinosaurs with Freakin' lasers are cool
4) Escorts are not OP
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The list goes on and on. Clearly he has a strong vision of this game ... and it is one scary nightmare of a vision.
- Judge Aaron Satie
why would they quit their jobs, cryptic is doing great, getting nice profits, devs don't even post on most topics, they get away with outrageous stuff, like all those bugs, it seems like a pretty good job to me.
http://www.polygon.com/2013/8/15/4622252/plague-of-game-dev-harassment-erodes-industry-spurs-support-groups one can safely assume that this aforementioned article applies somewhat. However, I digress....
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
Why are you not rejoicing?
The article repeatedly mentions "harass" but doesn't quote many examples (actually any). For the most part I see a lot of detailed and thoughtful criticism here along with bouts of passionate vitriol. Of course when fans (Trekkie) are ignored in favor of dinos with lasers then an allowance must be made for the frustration.
- Judge Aaron Satie
You asked for examples of time cryptic listened to us. You gave examples of things you did not like but you appreciated they listened.
Well all of those things were asked for. Some took time, some were modifications of what people asked for, but you're just going to split hairs.
They do listen to our feedback and the game is constantly shaped by our feedback you just can't see it because you no longer want to see it.
Except that some fans (Trekkie) are fine with the direction of the game, any many of the requests from fans are responded to. The updates to cruisers, 3rd person ground game, expanded Klingon content, Romulan gameplay. All of these requested by fans, and while you may not like the way these things were handled some do. No company will ever be able to please everyone.
You see what?
Detailed? Dude... ANYTHING that can be scribbled onto a DIN A4 Paper is NOT detailed... that are some stray thoughts put together!
Thoughtful? Really, what current topics are "Thoughtful" and not just typical Trekkie-High-Horse-looking-down-to-peasants-whine?
Please provide examples, I am curious as to how much your view is skewed...
You're the one following the wrong interviews. In the September 20th Interview A Dev, he specifically says quote:
That's like saying world hunger isn't a problem because I see a lot of people in restaurants. And yeah, he "doesn't deny the effectiveness of Escorts". Just like I don't deny that a whack on the head hurts: Simply because it is impossible to deny.
Prior to this interview, every statement out of him is "escorts are balanced". He has ignored and denied the elephant for so long until it has effectively taken up every square millimeter of the room that it has now become impossible to sweep away.
keep in mind krenim can still come in to play just wont be as soon as you hope or thought i do recall one poll going back to the start of the game asking what faction you like to play next in sto and the one that won took 3 years to come in
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Sir... do you work for Cryptic? :eek:
Because every bloody time you ignore everything to stand up and defend them...
Besides, they don't need to hire writers, most of the companys work with content like newspapers do... they can put some Foundry writers together, define some guidelines and let them create... if the content is good enough, pay them. A LOT of companys do just that... not with the community like Foundry, but we have really good people there.
If you ever managed any project, you should know that put more people working some times doesn't mean you'll get the job done. If you have a bad leader managing the team... even 100 people there wouldn't accomplish the goal.
"If we're going to be damned, let's be damned for what we really are." - Jean-Luc Picard
So much innuendo and you both didn't talk about ny of my arguments, just attacked me. This doesn't make me wrong or you right.
I was never in automatic attack mode or that TRIBBLE you said insulting me. But... enough said, so much people here really arguing about what I said and people like you just know to insult.
"If we're going to be damned, let's be damned for what we really are." - Jean-Luc Picard
Quote me where I offended people that disagree with me. Please.
I never lectured anyone with anything, I just pointed out my opinion, if you are not mature enough to understand the difference, please, stop making assumptions about me and start talking about the subjects at hand on the thread.
I never attacked him, just pointed out the behavior that WE ALL have witnessed in the past weeks. Add to that past decisions that many players debated.
"I don't like Geko and I don't have any argument to prove why he is a bad leader", ok that's an attack. What I said was "I disagree with the joke Geko did with the Klingon ship and with some of the decisions they make. The way they portrayed the dinosaurs and other content decisions seems that the DEV team only watch him make decisions out of his ego" That's an argument, with basis and my opinion... see the difference?
Thank you... A lot of people don't even know half the things we already witness.
"If we're going to be damned, let's be damned for what we really are." - Jean-Luc Picard
That's the whole point I was trying to make, thank you.
It was not a personal attack, I questioned he as a leader, how he is managing the team. This is not personal, it is a professional POV.
"If we're going to be damned, let's be damned for what we really are." - Jean-Luc Picard
Trying to be fair and objective, I think the biggest mistake Cryptic made with the Bortisque was to release it as an Odyssey reskin instead of taking more time to make a unique KDF ship that was not in the same category, that is, not in terms of power but in terms of different abilities, turn-rate, looks and such. In the case of the KDF ships, stop trying to make Federation rehashes and throw out the rule book. Go for something totally unique like a Cryptic-made Feresan or Lethean science ship.
Looking at it another way, just because the Feds get a ship with 5 fore weapons doesn't mean the KDF should get an avenger battle cruiser reskin. Do we honestly really want that people?
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Cosmic is always defending the devs on here. 95% of the time he is right but he is biased like all of us
Let's be fair here. PWE brought STO back to life from the ashes and Cryptic is doing a decent job, but they still got a long ways to go to take this game to it's fullest potential. That being said, I still don't think PWE is investing enough into this game. I get the impression that the team is always understaffed when it's just the opposite that should be happening. Ideally, each faction should have it's own special Cryptic team and factions should be independent of each other in the game. However, PWE refuses to put more money into the game b/c that's just how they run P2W MMO's-as little staff as possible with just enough content made to ensure that profits are regularly made. I guess that's just one of the realities that we as players are going to have to contend with while this game is still going.
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