As longs they talk about my professional performance, that's fine, we can call this: maturity.
He can take in any way he wants. His interpretation don't change te fact that he is, by his own words, responsible for many decisions that we have been discussing in this thread. Many of those decisions are mentioned in interviews and podcasts, when he even make jokes and innuendo about some of the most requested issues with the game.
So yeah, that quite tell us the type of leader he is and how he handles the player base.
Yes, those words are mine.
What this have to do with parents or family? This is a complete different situation and enviroment. We are talking about his ego as a professional and I never insulted him or his parents.
The DEVs don't answers on the forum because they are told to not respond. PWE and Cryptic wants them only interacting with players when is strictly necessary, like clarifing some mechanics behind changes or new a feature implemented.
Mr. Flakes answers us because he is the comunity moderator.
That aside, I agree that the major part of the forum is raging on the DEVs, every game forum out there is like this. We don't need the DEVs talking with us here, we need them fixing bugs and implementing the new content.
The comunication between us and them should be done by Mr. Flakes and Mr. Geko. I think Flakes do this, in his limitation on the hierarchy. Mr. Geko on the other hand never come here, never talk about player requests in a serious way, don't believe me, see some posts in this thread with plenty references with previous interviews and podcasts of him.
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Is most impressive how a lot of people don't bother reading and undertanding, but have to do three things:
1 - Insult me, because they think the DEV team is untouchable, maybe gods, and I'm no place of questioning them, even about their professional performances.
2 - Insult me, with no arguments about the thread subject, just want to point out the avatar I use in my profile or that I must be this or that.
3 - Use some repetitive arguments with questionable logic to devaluate me, something said or the whole thread:
A) "Don't talk if you know if the major part of the players agree or not. Just 3% of the player base is here on the forums."
In most countries when 1% of the population sign for a request, the congress has to formaly answer and vote that request. Ok, this is not a democracy, this is a game, but that doesn't stop Cryptic of anwering the players with respect.
And... what's the crime in make an estimate?
Some requests are made by thousands of players, like fixing the ESFTs... is wrong to say that the major part of the player base support this?
Put some logic in it: If you can point out that I'm in no position to say "major something" you're also in no position to say "minor something", where are the numbers?
"You are not a DEV, you know nothing about project management or enterprise administration"
Well... actually I'm a IT Manager, bachelor degree, with solid experience as a developer, also with project management(almost getting my PMI certification). I also have Cisco CCNP Certification, LPIC-2 Linux Foundation Certification, ITIL and COBIT Certifications. I think I maybe have some ground to speak.
Aside that, we are their customers, this grants to me and everyone else the right to question and debate about the game and their performance as professionals. More: Every player have the right to talk about the game and the decisions of the DEV team.
What we all have to do is drop our troll souls and speak with kindness and respect, criticizing yes, but in a constructive way, as I'm trying to do.
The problem is that YOU are the one that fostered this climate when you started right off the bat presenting your OPINION as FACT regarding Geko's "ego". You now claim that this type of behavior equals "maturity" and that apparently Geko would be fine with such an insult since he is a "professional". I'm not sure what job that YOU are working at, but it's NOT typical for "professionals" to go around and publicly rage about another professional's "ego" (unless you work in Congress, I suppose).
As the raging article that someone here posted discusses, the anonymity of the internet makes saying things that we would NEVER have the guts to say in person much easier. So in the present case, if someone walks up to anyone and started ranting about their "ego", no matter what THEY think that the outcome should be, that person isn't just going to stand there and accept that kind of boorish behavior from anyone, and as a result, they may be consequences involved that the original ranter did not anticipate, such as the person ranting back at THEM.
The problem is that YOU are the one that fostered this climate when you started right off the bat presenting your OPINION as FACT regarding Geko's "ego". You now claim that this type of behavior equals "maturity" and that apparently Geko would be fine with such an insult since he is a "professional". I'm not sure what job that YOU are working at, but it's NOT typical for "professionals" to go around and publicly rage about another professional's "ego" (unless you work in Congress, I suppose).
As the raging article that someone here posted discusses, the anonymity of the internet makes saying things that we would NEVER have the guts to say in person much easier. So in the present case, if someone walks up to anyone and started ranting about their "ego", no matter what THEY think that the outcome should be, that person isn't just going to stand there and accept that kind of boorish behavior from anyone, and as a result, they may be consequences involved that the original ranter did not anticipate, such as the person ranting back at THEM.
OK, we are beating a dead horse here, before someone gets in trouble and this thread spirals out of control...
Bran, so after we get Fred, Barney, Wilma and Betty in S8 when is Pebbles and Bam-Bam due to be integrated :P
OK, we are beating a dead horse here, before someone gets in trouble and this thread spirals out of control...
Bran, so after we get Fred, Barney, Wilma and Betty in S8 when is Pebbles and Bam-Bam due to be integrated :P
Actually Pebbles and Bam-Bam will be assimilated in Season 9. The next STF is where Pebbles of Borg and Bam-Bam of Borg are the final boss fight. Taking down Pebbles of Borg first while Bam-Bam of Borg is at full health will give the optional. However, Bam-Bam of Borg becomes enraged and becomes far more difficult to defeat. It is recommended to take down Bam-Bam of Borg first before attacking Pebbles of Borg since the more damage done to Pebbles of Borg, the more enraged Bam-Bam of Borg becomes. Only good teams should take down Pebbles of Borg first.
Ok... now is you that wants to attack me? Good logic against your own words.
Pointing out how ridiculous your arguments are isn't so much an attack as a public service.
Well, USA,
Boom! Failure at step one. There is no process by which a petition by 1% of the citizenry forces a vote by Congress.
Stop trying to upset me using troll phrases like "lets make it ease, eh?", don't tell me you didn't said that trying to upset me.
"Let's make it easy" is a troll phrase? Perhaps in your bizarro world, because you fell down trying to name the first country.
Fixing means only one thing: Make things work right, like those lances from Elite Hive that fire on people from spawning point or when people could end up joining an already failed STF(this I think was fixed).
You're just moving the problem. People don't agree on what "work right" means either.
Do you have the statistics in the number of players that do the ESTFs? Do you have the numbers or are you make an estimate?(fall in your own argument here)
I actually looked at the number of people posting in the ESTF threads. Which is more than you have done since you think there are thousands of people that hold the same opinion.
Ahhh here we have proof that you are indeed one of those DEV Lovers. Come on, they are not untouchable.
*snicker* You really shouldn't pretend that you're not a troll when you toss around phrases like "DEV Lovers." It doesn't require being a Dev lover to realize that they have more knowledge about their game than you.
Well, then I presume you are a experienced leader, with years recruiting people.
I am.
you are trying to upset me.
Not at all - you are trying to be upset. You should try to lower your stress. Maybe you could stop pretending you know more than you do. That's always stressful.
So, you entitle yourself as the one that defines where people should talk? This is the game forum, every player have the ight to speak here or in game, anywhere, It's not your place to define it.
I merely stated a simple fact. No one has a *right* to express themselves on this, a private forum. Maybe you could get 1% of your country's population to petition your government to make that a law...
Oh! I see, trying to get me upset, aren't you?
Why would I need to? You seem to be doing fine all on your own.
"Participation in PVP-related activities is so low on an hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly basis that we could in fact just completely take it out of STO and it would not impact the overall number of people [who] log in to the game and play in any significant way." -Gozer, Cryptic PvP Dev
Actually Pebbles and Bam-Bam will be assimilated in Season 9. The next STF is where Pebbles of Borg and Bam-Bam of Borg are the final boss fight. Taking down Pebbles of Borg first while Bam-Bam of Borg is at full health will give the optional. However, Bam-Bam of Borg becomes enraged and becomes far more difficult to defeat. It is recommended to take down Bam-Bam of Borg first before attacking Pebbles of Borg since the more damage done to Pebbles of Borg, the more enraged Bam-Bam of Borg becomes. Only good teams should take down Bam-Bam of Borg first.
ROFL hysterical, Bam-Bam of Borg better be Klingon :P
Except that in the paragraph above the one you posted he says 'nerf Escorts (oh the horror!)' which is a direct reference to various comments he has made about the fans being unwilling to accept a nerf to the escort to bring it back in line. He then goes on to say that the way to deal with the problem is to increase the other ships. Then he talks about the comm array for cruisers. In one of the other podcasts he talks about a possible new bonus ability for science ships too. Clearly they do not feel they can neft the escort so improving the other ships seems to be the direction they are going. They wouldn't be increasing the other ships if they thought everything was perfectly balanced.
The analogy I was suggesting is that if everything good, and one thing is OP, its healthier for the game to bring the OP item down in line with all the other items instead of raising all items to the level of the one OP item.
Completely contradictory to what has happened, wouldn't you say?
Huh. Cryptic tries to give us something awesome (re: Dinoriders, the Star Trek Experience, all the Voth stuff in general, the revamped Rep concept, the Battleground concept...) and all people can do is cry and bleat that isn't totally super-serious hardcore Trek.
You people really don't deserve nice things. I'm pretty well convinced of it by now.
Huh. Cryptic tries to give us something awesome (re: Dinoriders, the Star Trek Experience, all the Voth stuff in general, the revamped Rep concept, the Battleground concept...) and all people can do is cry and bleat that isn't totally super-serious hardcore Trek.
You people really don't deserve nice things. I'm pretty well convinced of it by now.
Exactly! Clearly most of the fans on the forum, learned no lessons from star trek. Respect, forward thinking, problem solving.
Q made anything at all ever possible. The voth exist in the Delta Quadrant, they left earth absolutely plausible.
New rep is a great idea, itll still take time but hey im cool with that because it will cost less.
So huzzah and hoorah for Cryptic giving people what they ask for!
Inertia just means you can do Powerslides in you carrier!
I am Il Shadow and i approve these Shennanigans!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Completely contradictory to what has happened, wouldn't you say?
The first thing we should do is clarify that the cherrypicked quote is about beams and cannons, not ships; and not even the entire paragraph.
Now to answer your question, no. As has been stated several times in the thread already, cryptic cannot nerf escorts without massive fan backlash, thus they chose the route of increasing the other ships to bring balance. If you cannot bring one down you bring the others up.
Pointing out how ridiculous your arguments are isn't so much an attack as a public service.
You are really behaving pretentious. So you entitle yourself again doing a public service. Tell me, do you work for the justice league?:eek:
You keep arguing about ME and not with the thread subject. It easier to talk about one person and attack them, perhaps the problems I stated are too much for you, if that's the case, no problem, just stop the attack.
This is the last time I answer you anyway. People like you just engage in endless debates with no real argument, based on facts and points od view.
Boom! Failure at step one. There is no process by which a petition by 1% of the citizenry forces a vote by Congress.
For the Federal Congress directly no, but you can request on you local district/state. USA uses a district election system.
But one country and you judge my entire statement invalid?:rolleyes:
"Let's make it easy" is a troll phrase? Perhaps in your bizarro world, because you fell down trying to name the first country.
I live the same world as you do.;)
You insulted me again, how kind of you.
And yes, you're all along trying to upset me, trying to make me go out of control.
You're just moving the problem. People don't agree on what "work right" means either.
There is nothing to agree, if the DEVs implement something in game and advertise how it works, if that feature is not working as they told, It needs be fixed.
I actually looked at the number of people posting in the ESTF threads. Which is more than you have done since you think there are thousands of people that hold the same opinion.
So you call my argument invalid but your estimate based on the forum posts is valid?
Logic is running away from you.:eek:
*snicker* You really shouldn't pretend that you're not a troll when you toss around phrases like "DEV Lovers." It doesn't require being a Dev lover to realize that they have more knowledge about their game than you.
They do have more knowledge about their own work them me, but that does not mean we can't debate on the game features, mechanics and how Cryptic deals with the player base.
Not at all - you are trying to be upset. You should try to lower your stress. Maybe you could stop pretending you know more than you do. That's always stressful.
So, how can you know how much I know about something? Can you present some technical argument to base that on?
Instead of talking about the thread subject you keep insulting me. If I follow your same logic, I could say you know ven less about the game than me, because you simple don't talk about the real problems stated in this thread, by me any more people.
I merely stated a simple fact. No one has a *right* to express themselves on this, a private forum. Maybe you could get 1% of your country's population to petition your government to make that a law...
If you're talking about a law that ensure our right to talk here, well, that's even questionable, since the game forum is a form of customer support, anyone that lives in USA and want to process Cryptic could use the forum content as proof.
But, again, why change the argument? So you can attack me?
Why would I need to? You seem to be doing fine all on your own.
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Yes I'm doing quite fine, never insulted anyone and you are the one here talking insults against and trying to devaluate me, because you don't have the capacity to speak about the thread subject.
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Are you Geko? Because that would make sense.
Anyway... farewell, as long as you keep insulting and attacking I'll not answer you.
-- "If we're going to be damned, let's be damned for what we really are." - Jean-Luc Picard
People like you just engage in endless debates with no real argument, based on facts and points od view.
Where are your facts?
For the Federal Congress directly no, but you can request on you local district/state. USA uses a district election system.
Still wrong.
But one country and you judge my entire statement invalid?:rolleyes:
Yes, your entire statement is invalid, because your statement was "Most countries of the world allow the people to force a vote in congress with a petition from 1% of the population, which includes the USA, etc..."
When it's false that the USA allows this, your statement is false. This is called logic. Try it sometime.
There is nothing to agree, if the DEVs implement something in game and advertise how it works, if that feature is not working as they told, It needs be fixed.
The Devs hardly ever say how content is supposed to work. I challenge you to find a references from them saying how ESTFs are supposed to work.
So you call my argument invalid but your estimate based on the forum posts is valid?
Logic is running away from you.:eek:
When you are arguing that a number of forum posters (note - posters, not posts), support a position, the only way to determine it is to count the number of posters that hold that position. The fact that you think that this is illogical is another example of your using random allegation rather than reasonable fact.
They do have more knowledge about their own work them me, but that does not mean we can't debate on the game features, mechanics and how Cryptic deals with the player base.
"Oh, you think the Devs know more than you, you must be a DEV LOVER TROLL" - free sample of galaxyrider0 argument
Then you shouldn't be insulting me like this. I hope you don't behave with your team like this.
I work with professionals, thanks.
So, how can you know how much I know about something? Can you present some technical argument to base that on?
People who know what they're talking about tend to use correct facts rather than incorrect ones. You use incorrect ones, so I deduce that you do not know what you are talking about.
Instead of talking about the thread subject you keep insulting me. If I follow your same logic, I could say you know ven less about the game than me, because you simple don't talk about the real problems stated in this thread, by me any more people.
Actually, since the thread starts by insulting Geko and the entire Cryptic team, and asserts that they don't know what they are doing, it can easily be held that this entire chain of conversation is precisely on topic.
If you're talking about a law that ensure our right to talk here, well, that's even questionable, since the game forum is a form of customer support, anyone that lives in USA and want to process Cryptic could use the forum content as proof.
Again, this is not reality. There is no legal right to a customer support forum any more than a game discussion forum.
But, again, why change the argument? So you can attack me?
You are the one changing the subject...
Yes I'm doing quite fine, never insulted anyone and you are the one here talking insults against and trying to devaluate me, because you don't have the capacity to speak about the thread subject.
If you're going to insist on accusing people of insulting you, a good first step might be refraining from making insults yourself.
Are you Geko? Because that would make sense.
Geko wouldn't even bother with you.
Anyway... farewell, as long as you keep insulting and attacking I'll not answer you.
That's fine. I'm not really concerned with whether you respond or not, just want to make sure that other people in the thread aren't misled by your false statements and try to overthrow their governments.
"Participation in PVP-related activities is so low on an hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly basis that we could in fact just completely take it out of STO and it would not impact the overall number of people [who] log in to the game and play in any significant way." -Gozer, Cryptic PvP Dev
Huh. Cryptic tries to give us something awesome (re: Dinoriders, the Star Trek Experience, all the Voth stuff in general, the revamped Rep concept, the Battleground concept...) and all people can do is cry and bleat that isn't totally super-serious hardcore Trek.
You people really don't deserve nice things. I'm pretty well convinced of it by now.
dude, I can take some of the stuff they have done in the past, I even have an open mind as I know its a video game and they have to keep it interesting.. but seriously, dinosaurs (dinoriders, I still have a few of these on my shelves lol) is stretching it way way too far.. im all for the voth, but the armored, lazer shooting dinosaurs, Is so little kiddish, its not even funny. I think the way to include their dinosaur heritage would have been in ship design and names.. like a terradactal (spelling is probably not right, but I could give two sh*ts) class, or what not.. had them have the basic shapes, kind of like warbirds and what not..
but me beaming down, to fight a dinosaur.. ummm, no.. even if they did come across them in canon, they would have steared clear of them..
though to be honest, fighting dinosaurs has a certain Klingon feel to it.. so I guess it would be nice for klinks.. I could see them adorning their ready room with a dino skull... lol...
Exactly! Clearly most of the fans on the forum, learned no lessons from star trek. Respect, forward thinking, problem solving.
Q made anything at all ever possible. The voth exist in the Delta Quadrant, they left earth absolutely plausible.
New rep is a great idea, itll still take time but hey im cool with that because it will cost less.
So huzzah and hoorah for Cryptic giving people what they ask for!
oh yes, I do give props to cryptic finally making the rep system a little better.. I am excited to get to work on my alts..
im even loving the idea of the dysons sphere.. kinda excited to get to work on it..
and yes, im all for the voth (never was a fan of q).. however, I just feel that in an adult themed game, that dinosaurs with lazer beams is not a good move.. I hope to god that they are not trying to dumb the game down to make it likeable by kids, cause honestly, that will make me leave.. I delt with little kids and their tantrums, and immaturity in wow.. I don't want to deal with that here.. not to say it isn't here already, but its at a low compared to other games..
I will say, that making dinos I fear is gonna be something they regret.. (not dooming just saying). I think in a year or two, just like they look apon the year of hell in shame, they will look apon this in shame.. this will be one of the moves that forever stains this game..
it just didn't seem like a tactful move to me..
let me clearafy, I know the voth are evolved dinos, when I refer to dinos, I refer to the t-rexes and raptors, you know, the things in dino riders, the land before time, Jurassic park... the things that most people grow out of as they grow up..
and yes, im all for the voth (never was a fan of q).. however, I just feel that in an adult themed game, that dinosaurs with lazer beams is not a good move.. I hope to god that they are not trying to dumb the game down to make it likeable by kids, cause honestly, that will make me leave..
The only ground critters I've found tougher than the V-Rexes are Armek, Manus, and the Queen. The Allosaurs can OHKO if you aren't paying attention, too. Ground STFs are the only other battles I've seen where diversity in classes, characters, and kits seem to matter, so I strongly disagree with the idea that fighting the dinosaurs is "dumbing it down".
That said, I demand the leader of the Voth be named Krulos!
lol trek fans are the worst. The shows were for the most part terrible and using them as examples of good writing or 'makes sense' is just stupid, for the most part they were racial/political/social diatribes using aliens as stand-ins.
whining about dinosaurs, do you even know your source material? this is star trek. in a universe where a man devolves into some kind of freaky spider thing or when you go past warp 10 you inexplicably turn into a prehistoric lizard and has every alien ever, including dimensional beings that could possess you and give you godlike powers, or Q who can do whatever the hell he wants, some bionosaurs suddenly aren't allowed or don't make sense?
get outta here, there is almost no canon in star trek, it was always at the whims and mercies of whomever was the writer, which is why it was rife/riddled with plot holes.
Guys think Q is ok but draw the line at dinosaurs with friggen lasers, when a guy exist in your universe who can just create them out of thin air.
idiotic. and you wanna call geko or the staff arrogant?
Yup, definitely need a 'like' button for posts like this.
dude, I can take some of the stuff they have done in the past, I even have an open mind as I know its a video game and they have to keep it interesting.. but seriously, dinosaurs (dinoriders, I still have a few of these on my shelves lol) is stretching it way way too far.. im all for the voth, but the armored, lazer shooting dinosaurs, Is so little kiddish, its not even funny. I think the way to include their dinosaur heritage would have been in ship design and names.. like a terradactal (spelling is probably not right, but I could give two sh*ts) class, or what not.. had them have the basic shapes, kind of like warbirds and what not..
but me beaming down, to fight a dinosaur.. ummm, no.. even if they did come across them in canon, they would have steared clear of them..
though to be honest, fighting dinosaurs has a certain Klingon feel to it.. so I guess it would be nice for klinks.. I could see them adorning their ready room with a dino skull... lol...
This. I agree that the plot holes in Star trek are too glaring for anybody to argue that Dino's shouldn't be in STO based on canon. Besides being plausible, the dinosaurs are also provocative because people have been whining about them since the day they were announced. And for this, Geko should be proud of himself. Art should be provocative and I think the dinosaurs have satisified that requisite very well.
That is both the good and the bad side to "art." A creative product can have as many meanings and interpretations as there are people to witness it, but there's always got to be some petulant jerkbag who decides their opinions on it matter more than everyone else's.
:rolleyes:
Say that to Klingon Academy... that game didn't sell more because of the absense of
advertisement... but even there, It sold more than Starfleet Academy.
The problem with the KDF is really absense of good content... Klingon Academy had one of the most fun campaigns and a very good history.
Put something like that here and the results will begin to rise.
Sometimes I feel that Star Trek Fans are really Elitists and Racists... Like Klingon being Afro people, Romulans being europeans and asians and the Federation "White power" US people.
Agree: The KA campaign was one of the best of ANY ST game ever. The campaign took place shortly before the destruction of Praxis when the Klingons we're still a formidible threat to federations control of the quadrant. By the end of the original film arc and TNG/DS9 treatment the klingons had been demoted to federation lap dog status. We'll get nothing from STO as the franchise has already killed us. Of course the Romulans didn't fare any better despite not needing the polio infested blankets and alcohol from the federation, STO gave them half faction status. It's not really surprising that the devs think only the feds make a profit for them, as that's all they really have in STO- feds and their new half-faction brothers, the Romulans.
The only ground critters I've found tougher than the V-Rexes are Armek, Manus, and the Queen. The Allosaurs can OHKO if you aren't paying attention, too. Ground STFs are the only other battles I've seen where diversity in classes, characters, and kits seem to matter, so I strongly disagree with the idea that fighting the dinosaurs is "dumbing it down".
That said, I demand the leader of the Voth be named Krulos!
I didn't mean dumbing the game down from a playable standpoint.. I meant from an adult to child themed feel.
honestly, I play a lot of games.. and star trek online is by far the easiest I have ever played.. so I already know its easy, sure, if you don't pay attention in any game you get squashed, but I literally can play any content, without using any of my skills, just using auto attack, and get through it just fine.. they do this to make it more casual, I have no problem with it, and im not complaining about it..
however, that is not what my thread was about.. its about the degradation of the franchise, and what not.. sure, they have had some wacky things happen in the series, but they were all fairly adult themed.. even the robin hood episode was more of adult humor and themed.. the greek gods, it was a life or death struggle for them, not a cartoon about hurculees or something.. geko letting his inner child out cause "he" wanted dinosaurs is not acceptable..
I will say this, dinos are a mistake. I was all upset about the romulans and how they were portrayed, but, I simply just didn't play them, and its a story line and they are still romulans at the end of the day. they didn't add or subtract anything from them, just rewrote them a little.. just like other games have those "moves" that are made, and then later regreted, I feel this is gonna be one of those.. this is a "space" sci fi game, not the land before time mmo..
take it as you will, this is my opinion, and im sticking to it.. lol..
That is both the good and the bad side to "art." A creative product can have as many meanings and interpretations as there are people to witness it, but there's always got to be some petulant jerkbag who decides their opinions on it matter more than everyone else's.
:rolleyes:
yes, and while they look awesome, and what not.. its not about art at this point..
if I hired you to paint me a picture of airforce one, and you brought me a painting of a mylittle poney, id be pretty upset..
the same is happening here, being the developer of a game, you need to have an air of responsibility to create content that make people feel like they are in the ip you are creating.. the developers of rift wouldn't put the enterprise in their game. nor would world of ******** put battlestar gallactica in their game (though it wouldn't surprise me with wow lol)...
when I think of all the ways they could have went and still been artistic, they kinda strayed away from what this game is about, and that my friend is not being artistic.. when someone is asked to make art based on something, it is not acceptable, and irresponsible to make something else.. ie, you wouldn't paint the last supper with aliens, preditor, a carebear, and a mech warrior, ... well some would, but you get my meaning.. lol...
Seriously, have you seen the Dinosaurs in action on Tribble yet? It makes a surprising amount of sense for why they would use the Raptors and V-Rexes.
Remember, the Voth leadership know a bit about humans. They know humans think T-Rexes are big and scary. So they are using them...
...to distract the humans (and their allies) while they do various Voth things like stealing [REDACTED].
Still less silly than Archer threatening to bomb a planet if they didn't heal his dog because the dog did its business on their holy tree.
Fighting dinosaurs seems to invoke some type of primordial fear so having dinosaurs is far from childish. Fighting living creatures that are the size of a room just seems more impressive and terrifying than fighting a machine the same size. Especially when the creatures have claws and fangs. Although, I doubt that the Voth brought dinosaurs because they expected humans to harass them. Dinosaurs probably cause the same fear in other "inferior" races that they cause in humans.
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The problem is that YOU are the one that fostered this climate when you started right off the bat presenting your OPINION as FACT regarding Geko's "ego". You now claim that this type of behavior equals "maturity" and that apparently Geko would be fine with such an insult since he is a "professional". I'm not sure what job that YOU are working at, but it's NOT typical for "professionals" to go around and publicly rage about another professional's "ego" (unless you work in Congress, I suppose).
As the raging article that someone here posted discusses, the anonymity of the internet makes saying things that we would NEVER have the guts to say in person much easier. So in the present case, if someone walks up to anyone and started ranting about their "ego", no matter what THEY think that the outcome should be, that person isn't just going to stand there and accept that kind of boorish behavior from anyone, and as a result, they may be consequences involved that the original ranter did not anticipate, such as the person ranting back at THEM.
OK, we are beating a dead horse here, before someone gets in trouble and this thread spirals out of control...
Bran, so after we get Fred, Barney, Wilma and Betty in S8 when is Pebbles and Bam-Bam due to be integrated :P
Actually Pebbles and Bam-Bam will be assimilated in Season 9. The next STF is where Pebbles of Borg and Bam-Bam of Borg are the final boss fight. Taking down Pebbles of Borg first while Bam-Bam of Borg is at full health will give the optional. However, Bam-Bam of Borg becomes enraged and becomes far more difficult to defeat. It is recommended to take down Bam-Bam of Borg first before attacking Pebbles of Borg since the more damage done to Pebbles of Borg, the more enraged Bam-Bam of Borg becomes. Only good teams should take down Pebbles of Borg first.
Pointing out how ridiculous your arguments are isn't so much an attack as a public service.
Boom! Failure at step one. There is no process by which a petition by 1% of the citizenry forces a vote by Congress.
"Let's make it easy" is a troll phrase? Perhaps in your bizarro world, because you fell down trying to name the first country.
You're just moving the problem. People don't agree on what "work right" means either.
I actually looked at the number of people posting in the ESTF threads. Which is more than you have done since you think there are thousands of people that hold the same opinion.
*snicker* You really shouldn't pretend that you're not a troll when you toss around phrases like "DEV Lovers." It doesn't require being a Dev lover to realize that they have more knowledge about their game than you.
I am.
Not at all - you are trying to be upset. You should try to lower your stress. Maybe you could stop pretending you know more than you do. That's always stressful.
I merely stated a simple fact. No one has a *right* to express themselves on this, a private forum. Maybe you could get 1% of your country's population to petition your government to make that a law...
Why would I need to? You seem to be doing fine all on your own.
ROFL hysterical, Bam-Bam of Borg better be Klingon :P
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Completely contradictory to what has happened, wouldn't you say?
this just in!!!! season 10 Imaginary Friend new bad guy :P
system Lord Baal is dead
You people really don't deserve nice things. I'm pretty well convinced of it by now.
Exactly! Clearly most of the fans on the forum, learned no lessons from star trek. Respect, forward thinking, problem solving.
Q made anything at all ever possible. The voth exist in the Delta Quadrant, they left earth absolutely plausible.
New rep is a great idea, itll still take time but hey im cool with that because it will cost less.
So huzzah and hoorah for Cryptic giving people what they ask for!
I am Il Shadow and i approve these Shennanigans!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Now to answer your question, no. As has been stated several times in the thread already, cryptic cannot nerf escorts without massive fan backlash, thus they chose the route of increasing the other ships to bring balance. If you cannot bring one down you bring the others up.
You are really behaving pretentious. So you entitle yourself again doing a public service. Tell me, do you work for the justice league?:eek:
You keep arguing about ME and not with the thread subject. It easier to talk about one person and attack them, perhaps the problems I stated are too much for you, if that's the case, no problem, just stop the attack.
This is the last time I answer you anyway. People like you just engage in endless debates with no real argument, based on facts and points od view.
For the Federal Congress directly no, but you can request on you local district/state. USA uses a district election system.
But one country and you judge my entire statement invalid?:rolleyes:
I live the same world as you do.;)
You insulted me again, how kind of you.
And yes, you're all along trying to upset me, trying to make me go out of control.
There is nothing to agree, if the DEVs implement something in game and advertise how it works, if that feature is not working as they told, It needs be fixed.
So you call my argument invalid but your estimate based on the forum posts is valid?
Logic is running away from you.:eek:
They do have more knowledge about their own work them me, but that does not mean we can't debate on the game features, mechanics and how Cryptic deals with the player base.
Then you shouldn't be insulting me like this. I hope you don't behave with your team like this.
So, how can you know how much I know about something? Can you present some technical argument to base that on?
Instead of talking about the thread subject you keep insulting me. If I follow your same logic, I could say you know ven less about the game than me, because you simple don't talk about the real problems stated in this thread, by me any more people.
If you're talking about a law that ensure our right to talk here, well, that's even questionable, since the game forum is a form of customer support, anyone that lives in USA and want to process Cryptic could use the forum content as proof.
But, again, why change the argument? So you can attack me?
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Yes I'm doing quite fine, never insulted anyone and you are the one here talking insults against and trying to devaluate me, because you don't have the capacity to speak about the thread subject.
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Are you Geko? Because that would make sense.
Anyway... farewell, as long as you keep insulting and attacking I'll not answer you.
"If we're going to be damned, let's be damned for what we really are." - Jean-Luc Picard
Where are your facts?
Still wrong.
Yes, your entire statement is invalid, because your statement was "Most countries of the world allow the people to force a vote in congress with a petition from 1% of the population, which includes the USA, etc..."
When it's false that the USA allows this, your statement is false. This is called logic. Try it sometime.
The Devs hardly ever say how content is supposed to work. I challenge you to find a references from them saying how ESTFs are supposed to work.
When you are arguing that a number of forum posters (note - posters, not posts), support a position, the only way to determine it is to count the number of posters that hold that position. The fact that you think that this is illogical is another example of your using random allegation rather than reasonable fact.
"Oh, you think the Devs know more than you, you must be a DEV LOVER TROLL" - free sample of galaxyrider0 argument
I work with professionals, thanks.
People who know what they're talking about tend to use correct facts rather than incorrect ones. You use incorrect ones, so I deduce that you do not know what you are talking about.
Actually, since the thread starts by insulting Geko and the entire Cryptic team, and asserts that they don't know what they are doing, it can easily be held that this entire chain of conversation is precisely on topic.
Again, this is not reality. There is no legal right to a customer support forum any more than a game discussion forum.
You are the one changing the subject...
If you're going to insist on accusing people of insulting you, a good first step might be refraining from making insults yourself.
Geko wouldn't even bother with you.
That's fine. I'm not really concerned with whether you respond or not, just want to make sure that other people in the thread aren't misled by your false statements and try to overthrow their governments.
dude, I can take some of the stuff they have done in the past, I even have an open mind as I know its a video game and they have to keep it interesting.. but seriously, dinosaurs (dinoriders, I still have a few of these on my shelves lol) is stretching it way way too far.. im all for the voth, but the armored, lazer shooting dinosaurs, Is so little kiddish, its not even funny. I think the way to include their dinosaur heritage would have been in ship design and names.. like a terradactal (spelling is probably not right, but I could give two sh*ts) class, or what not.. had them have the basic shapes, kind of like warbirds and what not..
but me beaming down, to fight a dinosaur.. ummm, no.. even if they did come across them in canon, they would have steared clear of them..
though to be honest, fighting dinosaurs has a certain Klingon feel to it.. so I guess it would be nice for klinks.. I could see them adorning their ready room with a dino skull... lol...
oh yes, I do give props to cryptic finally making the rep system a little better.. I am excited to get to work on my alts..
im even loving the idea of the dysons sphere.. kinda excited to get to work on it..
and yes, im all for the voth (never was a fan of q).. however, I just feel that in an adult themed game, that dinosaurs with lazer beams is not a good move.. I hope to god that they are not trying to dumb the game down to make it likeable by kids, cause honestly, that will make me leave.. I delt with little kids and their tantrums, and immaturity in wow.. I don't want to deal with that here.. not to say it isn't here already, but its at a low compared to other games..
I will say, that making dinos I fear is gonna be something they regret.. (not dooming just saying). I think in a year or two, just like they look apon the year of hell in shame, they will look apon this in shame.. this will be one of the moves that forever stains this game..
it just didn't seem like a tactful move to me..
let me clearafy, I know the voth are evolved dinos, when I refer to dinos, I refer to the t-rexes and raptors, you know, the things in dino riders, the land before time, Jurassic park... the things that most people grow out of as they grow up..
The only ground critters I've found tougher than the V-Rexes are Armek, Manus, and the Queen. The Allosaurs can OHKO if you aren't paying attention, too. Ground STFs are the only other battles I've seen where diversity in classes, characters, and kits seem to matter, so I strongly disagree with the idea that fighting the dinosaurs is "dumbing it down".
That said, I demand the leader of the Voth be named Krulos!
Yup, definitely need a 'like' button for posts like this.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
This. I agree that the plot holes in Star trek are too glaring for anybody to argue that Dino's shouldn't be in STO based on canon. Besides being plausible, the dinosaurs are also provocative because people have been whining about them since the day they were announced. And for this, Geko should be proud of himself. Art should be provocative and I think the dinosaurs have satisified that requisite very well.
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Agree: The KA campaign was one of the best of ANY ST game ever. The campaign took place shortly before the destruction of Praxis when the Klingons we're still a formidible threat to federations control of the quadrant. By the end of the original film arc and TNG/DS9 treatment the klingons had been demoted to federation lap dog status. We'll get nothing from STO as the franchise has already killed us. Of course the Romulans didn't fare any better despite not needing the polio infested blankets and alcohol from the federation, STO gave them half faction status. It's not really surprising that the devs think only the feds make a profit for them, as that's all they really have in STO- feds and their new half-faction brothers, the Romulans.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
I didn't mean dumbing the game down from a playable standpoint.. I meant from an adult to child themed feel.
honestly, I play a lot of games.. and star trek online is by far the easiest I have ever played.. so I already know its easy, sure, if you don't pay attention in any game you get squashed, but I literally can play any content, without using any of my skills, just using auto attack, and get through it just fine.. they do this to make it more casual, I have no problem with it, and im not complaining about it..
however, that is not what my thread was about.. its about the degradation of the franchise, and what not.. sure, they have had some wacky things happen in the series, but they were all fairly adult themed.. even the robin hood episode was more of adult humor and themed.. the greek gods, it was a life or death struggle for them, not a cartoon about hurculees or something.. geko letting his inner child out cause "he" wanted dinosaurs is not acceptable..
I will say this, dinos are a mistake. I was all upset about the romulans and how they were portrayed, but, I simply just didn't play them, and its a story line and they are still romulans at the end of the day. they didn't add or subtract anything from them, just rewrote them a little.. just like other games have those "moves" that are made, and then later regreted, I feel this is gonna be one of those.. this is a "space" sci fi game, not the land before time mmo..
take it as you will, this is my opinion, and im sticking to it.. lol..
yes, and while they look awesome, and what not.. its not about art at this point..
if I hired you to paint me a picture of airforce one, and you brought me a painting of a mylittle poney, id be pretty upset..
the same is happening here, being the developer of a game, you need to have an air of responsibility to create content that make people feel like they are in the ip you are creating.. the developers of rift wouldn't put the enterprise in their game. nor would world of ******** put battlestar gallactica in their game (though it wouldn't surprise me with wow lol)...
when I think of all the ways they could have went and still been artistic, they kinda strayed away from what this game is about, and that my friend is not being artistic.. when someone is asked to make art based on something, it is not acceptable, and irresponsible to make something else.. ie, you wouldn't paint the last supper with aliens, preditor, a carebear, and a mech warrior, ... well some would, but you get my meaning.. lol...
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Seriously, have you seen the Dinosaurs in action on Tribble yet? It makes a surprising amount of sense for why they would use the Raptors and V-Rexes.
Remember, the Voth leadership know a bit about humans. They know humans think T-Rexes are big and scary. So they are using them...
...to distract the humans (and their allies) while they do various Voth things like stealing [REDACTED].
Still less silly than Archer threatening to bomb a planet if they didn't heal his dog because the dog did its business on their holy tree.
Fighting dinosaurs seems to invoke some type of primordial fear so having dinosaurs is far from childish. Fighting living creatures that are the size of a room just seems more impressive and terrifying than fighting a machine the same size. Especially when the creatures have claws and fangs. Although, I doubt that the Voth brought dinosaurs because they expected humans to harass them. Dinosaurs probably cause the same fear in other "inferior" races that they cause in humans.
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