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trwarbuck
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I'm going to nip this in the bud before the complaining starts.
Okay sure the consoles only covers the concept of the standard non-energy specific consoles, but.
1. The fleet version gives a 25.5% bonus not a 20% bonus that a MKXII very rare one does and it gives a second benefit (Critical Hit, Critical Damage, Accuracy).
2. You get an overall 33% damage modifier in the Spire Reputation system that covers ALL weapons on your starship no matter the damage type.
If you go and calculate all this up, you will find out that you aren't really loosing anything, in fact you are gaining them. Sure it is only for a short 20 seconds, but so is the other Boff abilities that effect your weapons. If the cooldown period is kept to a short 30 seconds, you really won't see that much if not any falloff in damage output from your starship. Plus you can increase your Critical Hit, Critical Damage potential and your Accuracy.
So now you are capable of arming your ships with all those cool weapons that you get from the Reputation system and the Lobi store. Rainbow boats.
Give them a chance before you put them down. I'm sure the design staff sat down and considered everything before they created the consoles and the new reputation system.
Okay sure the consoles only covers the concept of the standard non-energy specific consoles, but.
1. The fleet version gives a 25.5% bonus not a 20% bonus that a MKXII very rare one does and it gives a second benefit (Critical Hit, Critical Damage, Accuracy).
2. You get an overall 33% damage modifier in the Spire Reputation system that covers ALL weapons on your starship no matter the damage type.
If you go and calculate all this up, you will find out that you aren't really loosing anything, in fact you are gaining them. Sure it is only for a short 20 seconds, but so is the other Boff abilities that effect your weapons. If the cooldown period is kept to a short 30 seconds, you really won't see that much if not any falloff in damage output from your starship. Plus you can increase your Critical Hit, Critical Damage potential and your Accuracy.
So now you are capable of arming your ships with all those cool weapons that you get from the Reputation system and the Lobi store. Rainbow boats.
Give them a chance before you put them down. I'm sure the design staff sat down and considered everything before they created the consoles and the new reputation system.
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In the butt? My, how suggestive :P
(For future reference, one nips something in the bud, i.e. to prevent growth like with flowers.)
Unfortunelly my friend the whinners (mostly PvPers again) got these nerfed from 25,5% to 22,3% and the energy specific consoles added (with 25,5%), just becouse one type of build, DHCs + 1 DBB
And they all cry about power creep :rolleyes:
Well, that's not entirely fair: there's also DBB's with turrets aft, as there's only forward-firing aft cannons, no beams.
so the consoles will be overall definately better than the current ones.
but imo, adding projectile dmg ontop of specific energy type would have been a better option for fleet tac consoles.
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As for PvP whiner nerfs, they should just make a separate PvP server with it's own rules and equipment.
They will eventually get tired and fall asleep.
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I think the term 'abomination' comes into play here, seems fitting.
1) Afraid of rainbow boats causing damage and procing all sorts of things.
2) Complaining generic consoles weren't worth the effort when the damage plus CRTH could have gotten close enough.
Sometimes they get stuff fixed and sometimes they TRIBBLE things up. This is a TRIBBLE up on my book.
If you knew how hard it is to create a MKXII VR console, you'd understand the price.
Don't worry, they got their blood money.
edit:/ that is about 2% chance to get something useful
If you expect that these consoles will get cheaper with the fleet consoles you are seriously mistaken. They will not get cheaper, just supply will vanish, because people will stop making them, since they won't be worth it anymore.
the current prices are ENTIRELY JUSTIFIED, because it is so bloody hard to get them to begin with.
You make it sound like people who make consoles are evil. Perhaps rng has not blessed you and you need to gain rng gods favor. Also sounds like you have a hard time making space money.
Sure. All true.
And now it'll be easy to get better energy-specific tac consoles for just some dil and fc's.
Considering the minor improvement of traditional purple mk xii's over blue mk xi's, the minor percentage boost wasn't worth it, generally - for the price of 4 VR mk xii's you could just buy stuff that gave you way bigger advantages (AP doffs, lockbox/lobi ships etc). These fleet tac consoles will be both more attractive (crith/critd bonus) and easier to acquire (just some dil and fc's). For me, that'll mean the time to upgrade those blue mk xi's will finally come.
*shrug*
100M for the doffs? Yeah I do not believe that. I do know that the materials for it can be expensive, but even than 2-5 million for a console would be a lucrative price.
Anyway, this is a step to the right direction. Fleet energy specific consoles were needed badly.
Now with these and fleet neutroniums I can have a great pve ship without having to pay a limb and an unicorn's soul on the exchange.
You need to find five purple Eng officers that have the 3 trates to be able to get your Crit % to 25 and your green % down.
Thes Doffs are not cheap. 10 to 20 mil EC each. The childrens toy Doff mission hardly ever comes up so you almost always have to buy the Alien Artifacts. They run 750K-850K each. Then you have to power them. That takes one of each particle trace. Methogenic/Metrion traces run 75k-100K each. If you going to stock up on say 10 of each type your looking at about 2 mil EC. So to average it out your going to spend aprox 2 mil EC each time your craft one. Most times your going to get a Blue Bio-monitor or a Purple SIF gen. Something that will not sell on the Exchange. Most times if you do get a Purple Tac console it's a Pre-Fire chamber or something generic. So Afer spending 20 -40 mil or more EC and you at last get a good XII VR energy specific Tac console you are going to need to make up your losses to be able to keep crafting. So if the community wants access to these consoles they need to fund the process that goes into crafting them. Most do not make a profit. The EC goes right back into buying more Artifacts and Particle traces to craft more junk consoles in the hope of getting a good one. I crafted over 400 and got about 20 good consoles out of all of that.
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From what I saw, it was more along the lines of, most PvPers were simply going to dismiss them, because they tended to use a mix of weapons anyways, like DHCs, turrets, and a DBB, maybe a torpedo or mine, and saw these 'generic' damage consoles a hurting to their builds, not an addition.
Heck, even a bunch of non-PvPers I saw felt a similar way.
I'm thankful of course that the devs added in energy/torp specific ones (I'm guessing torp ones mind you), but choosing to keep the generic ones, so everyone has a choice.
Besides, if people want to have the max damage consoles, and this might be surprising...
THEY WILL STILL WANT TO BUY THEM.
These fleet consoles change nothing. If anything, the people who couldn't really ever afford Mk XII consoles that easily, now have the option in the future of getting these. Those that can afford Mk XII consoles will still buy them.
Y'know, I'd go so far as to say that these fleet tac consoles are much more balanced than the sci and engy ones.
Season 8.
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Rainbow Boats. Skittles for allz!
Season 8 is going to look hilarious and nothing at all like Star Trek.
Last time I checked it was more around 500k.
MK XII ultra rare non energy specific but weapon type specific is +22.3% base damage per console and +8% crit severity or +1.6% Crit chance per console.
MK XII ultra rare energy specific is +25.5% base damage per console and +8% crit severity or +1.6% Crit chance per console.
The fleet consoles look great for alpha strike escorts but not so good for sci ships or engi+ beam boat. And nobody on the tribble discussion was saying nerf anything including PvP players. what was being discussed is no energy specific consoles locking everyone into 1 weapon type. Think about a sci using DBB on fore and turrets on aft. Using the beam consoles makes the turrets near useless but using cannon consoles makes the DBB's hit for far less losing massive DPS. So they relented and nerfed to cannon, beam, torp, consoles and added energy specific so mixed weapon ships are still viable.
I dont agree with the nerfing of the weapon type specifics, I think they should be the same as energy specific.
Also one of the compliants is 25.5% compared to 30%. on a 5 console ship thats almost a whole console loss. will the crit chance or severity make up the differance? Maybe but making up the differance is not power creep, it is going sideways. If it does gain more DPS then how much more than say MK XII rare consoles? Is it enough to justify the investment in dilithium and FC compared to less than 1 mil EC for the majority of energy types?
Right now until I can see some parse numbers done correctly I will remain skeptical on them being better than MK XII very rare but probably equal to rare.. 1 step forward and 2 steps back comes to mind.
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