I'm not 100% on board with what is coming with the Voth release. I'm all for the Voth, but I'm not sure the direction they have taken with the Voth is thematic with Star Trek. From their creation of the costuming, the dino's, and other things.
I have to agree with you on the Voth subject, at least from the point of view Cryptic. There are soo many other encounters, themes, subjects that can be built upon that is built on both lore and canon. Unfortunately; Cryptic chose an obscure episode from one of the worst Star Trek series ever created, alongside Enterprise.
I also like the idea of the Dyson's sphere, but I'm worried they can't keep it thematic with Star Trek. I wish they would have used the one the Enterprise-D found, that one, IMO, would have felt more immerse. It was an already known sphere from the show, and having it in this game would have given us the chance to explore it in a way we didn't get to see on the show, it'd show us what was down on that surface.
Regarding the Dyson's sphere, the race that built it would have built many more. I think the theme of the Dyson's sphere can be expanded on, if CRYPTIC keeps it plausible.
Season 8 is making me think that Cryptic, or PWE, wants to downgrade Star Trek Online into a "General SCIFI" type of MMO, loosely based on Star Trek. I'm getting that worrying feeling in the pit of my stomach.
I hate to burst your bubble but the game was downgraded before PWE arrival. Canon or the preservation of any sensible canon subject was never in the minds of the dev. What was in their minds is how can they exploit the Star Trek theme and reap in the BIG bucks. It is a company first with a product to offer.
Cryptic is unlike, lets say a company like ArenaNet who take pride in their product, they are more like a company who uses a popular theme and find ways to milk the cash cow. Granted some devs take pride in their work, but the overall mentality borders on how to exploit the Start Trek fanbase. If this were not the case, PWE would NOT have bought STO and its development team. There is money to be made here, plain and simple, Star Trek Fans are a gullible bunch that are Trek starved.
I look at Season 8 so far and think "Mass Effect" or "Halo", not Star Trek. And that's not a good thing. Imagine how people on the outside, who have never played the game before, are looking at it.
STO borrowed already from some of the more popular console games out there, case in point, the armor system. They may have not directly taken it from Mass Effect, but it sure was inspired from it. The list goes on.
Plus, there are so many unfinished things in STO, and parts of the game that need a big overhaul first, before introducing a completely new thing like this into the game that was only seen in one episode of Voyager, and a sphere that is completely made up and never seen in the show.
I would like the Star Trek to come back to Star Trek Online please.
Thanks,
A Loyal Lifetime Fan since Open Beta
Star Trek Online is beyond hope in regards to it sticking to its roots. Star Trek Online should be now be renamed ST Jurassic Park Online 40,000
I am very irritated and upset now. I watched every episode of Enterprise, TOS, TNG, DS9, and Voyager, in order. Im almost done with Voyager but, here is the problem.... I never saw an Episode on TNG where they found a dyson sphere. I realized this when I was watching a TNG rerun on BBC about the wierd engineer that stutters (what's his name again?), when he hooked up to some all powerful computer. I never saw these! I watched TNG on Netflix and it appears some episodes are missing!
I just checked Netflix. It's season 6, episode 4. I encourage you to watch it - it's quite good.
Saxfire, your premise is flawed. I'm a Trekkie, have been since before Neil Armstrong stepped onto the surface of the Moon. I've been an online gamer a much shorter time, of course, but I still consider myself at least something of a gamer. And I quite like STO, and consider any claims that it's "not Star Trek" to emanate from those who will often be willing to toss an entire series out. (If the Voth, or "dinos with lasers", can't be considered canon, then I guess at least half of VOY has to go away. If we're supposed to always be at war with the Klingons, and never work with them in common cause, then TNG and a good portion of DS9 must be rejected. If time travel "isn't Trek", then - Great Bird, where do I start? "Tomorrow Is Yesterday"? "Assignment: Earth"? "Trials and Tribble-ations"? "Little Green Men"? "Year of Hell"?)
Stark, it seems quite unlikely that any civilization would build more than one Dyson shell. Do you have any idea of the resources that would go into that? Besides, even a small shell like the one in "Relics" gives you an inner surface area equal to millions of Class-M planets, and the one upcoming is apparently one AU in radius - the sort one might build around the Sun, if one wished to replicate Earth's environments inside. What would be the point of more than just the one?
To go along with what this person said enjoy the episode!!! :cool:
Thanks for this link, its been awhile since I watched the episode, awesome catch. Oh, by the way, I have to mention this, but I met James Doohan son at a local comicon type convention, Chris is a nice fellow. I hope he gets more screen time in the next Star Trek feature film.
I think they are trying to dumb down this game to a general "SCIFI MMO", rather than pure Star Trek, IMO. It just seems that way, that's the vibe I get lately.
TBH, I'm not all that sure that Star Trek, as we saw it exactly represented on the various shows would translate to an exciting game.
Seriously, where you talked your way out of most conflicts, not to mention all that dialog to read through. I like SOME of that flavor here and there, (to keep it real), but not every mission. That would get boring fast.
This is a video game after all and you know you just gotta blow stuff up, (did you notice how the movies ramped up on the action compared to the series?) The media you tell the story with, dictates how that story is told.
And you have to advance that story too. So what if the Voth were only featured in one episode? The Kazon were featured in many more and to my way of thinking, they would have been a poor choice to base season 8 on because their story's already been told in greater detail.
That's not to say fan favorites like the Borg and such, shouldn't be explored further, or that the Kazon shouldn't pop up occasionally again.
The Voth were intriguing. I look forward to learning more about them. TBH, the thought of fighting that armored, ARMED, T Rex sounds exciting to me honestly. That's how this media demands the story be told.
It would get pretty boring, pretty quick if all we had to do, were things that we already saw done to creatures we've already met in greater detail on the series.
Not to mention that not every player is a die hard Star Trek fan. You gotta appeal to everyone on the Trekker scale.
TBH, I'm not all that sure that Star Trek, as we saw it exactly represented on the various shows would translate to an exciting game.
It really wouldn't... you're right.... there's a lot of things that can be done suspencefully on a show that don't work well for interactive media like a game....... there are elements in the game that bare that... (running around scanning objects in a enemyless environment, cross research of communications) and while they are fun in small doses, if that was the bulk of the game play rather than "Combat" the game would be a ghost town.
If you read the behind the scenes info at Memory Alpha on the episode Distant Origins, you'll see that:
So yeah, Starfleet fighting dinosaurs... it's been thought of by someone working on Star Trek before.
Is that point not completely undermined by the fact that in the writing process they decided to use the backdrop of dino-aliens to tell a story that ends up being about people and ethical/moral issues rather than about the dino-aliens themselves?
If anything, you could take Distant Origin as a good example of a 'typical' Star Trek storyline largely because they decided to do something with it other than just have Starfleet fight dinosaurs with space lasers.
At the end of the day Star Trek was a show about people, not starships, not the Borg, not the Dominion.
Is that point not completely undermined by the fact that in the writing process they decided to use the backdrop of dino-aliens to tell a story that ends up being about people and ethical/moral issues rather than about the dino-aliens themselves?
If anything, you could take Distant Origin as a good example of a 'typical' Star Trek storyline largely because they decided to do something with it other than just have Starfleet fight dinosaurs with space lasers.
Indeed, you're absolutely right.... the vast majority of star trek TV episode plots are moral plays.... there's nothing more trek than a moral play episode, of which Distant Origins is one.... I'd argue it was one of the most Trekish Voyager episodes.
Yeah remember the good ol' days everything was completely different & bazillion of times better ... back then we had Combat Mugatos, Epohhs & stuff ... now get off my lawn you damn kids ...
Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
I think its star trek. I applaud them for for branching out and showing us things we have not seen before. You know that boldly going where no one has gone before thing?
The Voth as a species I can live with, the idea of them with a T-rex and raptor w/lasers strapped to them or battle mech gear is plain dumb. Why not have the beast simply turn on their controllers and eat them for a snack or hunt them?
The Voth as a species I can live with, the idea of them with a T-rex and raptor w/lasers strapped to them or battle mech gear is plain dumb. Why not have the beast simply turn on their controllers and eat them for a snack or hunt them?
City Ship of the Raptors? Now THAT'S a ST film I'd see. XD
In a distant lab of the Voth Central City Ship one being has perfected a gateway.... In time....
"But Doctrine is wrong!"
"Silence! We will not hear this Heresy!"
But Doctrine couldn't prepare the Voth for the outcome of playing god...
"The Ragnarokosaurus is loose! We Need cotainment Now-AHgghhghgg!!!!"
Pike... Kirk.... Picard... Sisko... That woman in science ship people hate for no real reason... and the female captain of Enterprise C in.....
Star Trek: Raptor's Dawn... With special guest star Mike Myers
Mike as A Voth Dr. Evil: "Look out! It's figured out how to use the lazer beams attached to it's friggin' head!"
We don't want what the Feds have. We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent, and passionate belief that the enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while.
The Voth as a species I can live with, the idea of them with a T-rex and raptor w/lasers strapped to them or battle mech gear is plain dumb. Why not have the beast simply turn on their controllers and eat them for a snack or hunt them?
Why do targs not turn on kliingons? Why do mugato or horta not turn on anyone?
The game is full of combat pets. The fact that voth would have dinosaurs as combat pets makes perfect sense, as that is what they know from their culture.
Why do targs not turn on kliingons? Why do mugato or horta not turn on anyone?
The game is full of combat pets. The fact that voth would have dinosaurs as combat pets makes perfect sense, as that is what they know from their culture.
Probably because said creature are only 50-75% the size of their owner's or user's!!!! Unlike a huge T-Rex or Raptor being equal+greater than the humanoid for which they serve. Kind of makes you think if your house cat was the size of a rhino would it not think of you as a play toy or food?
Probably because said creature are only 50-75% the size of their owner's or user's!!!! Unlike a huge T-Rex or Raptor being equal+greater than the humanoid for which they serve. Kind of makes you think if your house cat was the size of a rhino would it not think of you as a play toy or food?
I lived in Thailand for 6 months as a child, as my father was a diplomat. Have you ever seen working elephants that are not in the zoo? They are handled and manipulate by men with sticks. It would be much easier to handle them in the future with technology biocoded into them.
I lived in Thailand for 6 months as a child, as my father was a diplomat. Have you ever seen working elephants that are not in the zoo? They are handled and manipulate by men with sticks. It would be much easier to handle them in the future with technology biocoded into them.
Mmmmm but just like any beast of that size can easily turn on you in a heart beat if something goes wrong!!!
Mmmmm but just like any beast of that size can easily turn on you in a heart beat if something goes wrong!!!
Which is the whole point of the biocoding. You are taking about a species 65 million years old. They clearly would know how to manipulate the genetics of their pets to make them domesticated. These are not 21st century humans trying to control dinosaurs.
Which is the whole point of the biocoding. You are taking about a species 65 million years old. They clearly would know how to manipulate the genetics of their pets to make them domesticated. These are not 21st century humans trying to control dinosaurs.
No but even bio-coding can lead to the creature(s) evolution to surpass the coding and inevitably turn on their enforcer's!!! Tamper with genetics all you like, but just like in shows it can turn around and bite you when you least expect it.
No but even bio-coding can lead to the creature(s) evolution to surpass the coding and inevitably turn on their enforcer's!!! Tamper with genetics all you like, but just like in shows it can turn around and bite you when you least expect it.
You are thinking like someone who is new to the concept of genetics. The voth have been controlling genetics aboard their ships for 65 million years, and how knows how long they controlled it even before the left earth. I get that you want a Jurassic Park senario when the pet dinos break loose and kill their captors, but after 65 million years of genetic manipulation and biomechanical control that would be impossible.
You are thinking like someone who is new to the concept of genetics. The voth have been controlling genetics aboard their ships for 65 million years, and how knows how long they controlled it even before the left earth. I get that you want a Jurassic Park senario when the pet dinos break loose and kill their captors, but after 65 million years of genetic manipulation and biomechanical control that would be impossible.
Evolution can take a lonnnnnnnnng time, but it will happen, and also we are just going on some dev's fantasy of wanting this implemented and not what actual script writer's originally intended!!!
The big issue here is not once on any episode have you seen any race using such huge beasts of burden with advanced weapons like these, nor have you seen them using mech warrior type armor or machines (not even the borg). So it seems no script writer until now has conceived to use such outlandish over the top ideas as to put this in canon terms. And it would have probably seemed to have been best not to also!!!
Right. The mechas and dino-lasers are making me seriously doubt whether the whole 'CBS says no' excuse for other proposed additions is based on any real truth. To this CBS said 'yes' but a T5 Connie they said 'no'?
Pull the other one....
"So my fun is wrong?"
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
Evolution can take a lonnnnnnnnng time, but it will happen, and also we are just going on some dev's fantasy of wanting this implemented and not what actual script writer's originally intended!!!
Evolution does take a long time, but not as long as you think. Homo Sapiens have only been here 200,000 years. The neandertals only died off around 30,000 years ago. The voth culture lives in terms of millions and millions of years. They have kept the t-rexes in the state of evolution they have wanted them to be in for 65 million years aboard their ships, and we do not know how long while on the earth. This is not some new thing to them. They have been doing it since before humans were shrews.
Right. The mechas and dino-lasers are making me seriously doubt whether the whole 'CBS says no' excuse for other proposed additions is based on any real truth. To this CBS said 'yes' but a T5 Connie they said 'no'?
Pull the other one....
The ship I can understand as it's an outdated iconic ship, it would like taking a 55' chevy and updating to a modern 2014 car and saying it's a true classic (only by appearance, not reality). As for the other it is given the green light because if the player's by into the whole TRIBBLE plot than it makes all of them money!!!
The Star in the Jenolan Sphere was highly unstable and due to go boom, it was the premise of the episode that even the Enterprise needed to get the hell out of that Sphere to not get roasted and the door to it was most likely damaged by the Enterprises Escape... so... nope not a good choice...
It helps actually re-watching the episodes you want to talk about...
They could've easily said "the Voth waved their magic wand and that was fixed". It would serve to show the Voth as vastly advanced scientists, able to do the inconceivable in a few short decades. They could even throw in references to how the Borg gave up trying to assimilate them until they became nearly as advanced.... maybe even claim that the BORG are in fact an ancient weapon built to defeat the Voth long ago and all this time they've been assimilating anyone and anything they thought would help them reach their objective of becoming powerful enough to defeat the Voth.
Personally I think they went about it in the worst way possible. The Voth should be incredibly advanced, but ultimately be very poor at waging wars because their high tech makes them have very few credible threats they've stagnated and reached a plateau.
Much like the Ancients from the Stargate franchise. Their scientific understanding was almost without limit, but they were incapable of winning wars or common sense solutions to avoid problems later on. They looked human but were truly alien.
But no, it feels like more generic space baddies to fight. Maybe that's unfair of me to say, considering we know very little and ts very early, but after tehy turned the romulan faction into a generic Rebel Alliance..... I'm not optimistic.
Evolution does take a long time, but not as long as you think. Homo Sapiens have only been here 200,000 years. The neandertals only died off around 30,000 years ago. The voth culture lives in terms of millions and millions of years. They have kept the t-rexes in the state of evolution they have wanted them to be in for 65 million years aboard their ships, and we do not know how long while on the earth. This is not some new thing to them. They have been doing it since before humans were shrews.
Earth Fossils records please, none found showing any sign of evolution of prehistoric creature known as dino evolving into a humanoid like creature, so story too me was always a bit off when related to earth!!! And seeing how the show had limited information to go on, we again are being spoon fed TRIBBLE that we are to believe is what is actual!!! Sorry still can't convince me, and as far as their superiority please it was just one ship Voyager. Hell even large Kazon vessels could do some damage to Voyager, it was just one small Fed vessel not even designed as an actual warship!!!
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I have to agree with you on the Voth subject, at least from the point of view Cryptic. There are soo many other encounters, themes, subjects that can be built upon that is built on both lore and canon. Unfortunately; Cryptic chose an obscure episode from one of the worst Star Trek series ever created, alongside Enterprise.
Regarding the Dyson's sphere, the race that built it would have built many more. I think the theme of the Dyson's sphere can be expanded on, if CRYPTIC keeps it plausible.
I hate to burst your bubble but the game was downgraded before PWE arrival. Canon or the preservation of any sensible canon subject was never in the minds of the dev. What was in their minds is how can they exploit the Star Trek theme and reap in the BIG bucks. It is a company first with a product to offer.
Cryptic is unlike, lets say a company like ArenaNet who take pride in their product, they are more like a company who uses a popular theme and find ways to milk the cash cow. Granted some devs take pride in their work, but the overall mentality borders on how to exploit the Start Trek fanbase. If this were not the case, PWE would NOT have bought STO and its development team. There is money to be made here, plain and simple, Star Trek Fans are a gullible bunch that are Trek starved.
STO borrowed already from some of the more popular console games out there, case in point, the armor system. They may have not directly taken it from Mass Effect, but it sure was inspired from it. The list goes on.
Star Trek Online is beyond hope in regards to it sticking to its roots. Star Trek Online should be now be renamed ST Jurassic Park Online 40,000
http://www.cbs.com/shows/star_trek_the_next_generation/video/UGQOoaLpZTCoHgNHls6NDO7iAnRxml2h/star-trek-the-next-generation-relics
To go along with what this person said enjoy the episode!!! :cool:
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Saxfire, your premise is flawed. I'm a Trekkie, have been since before Neil Armstrong stepped onto the surface of the Moon. I've been an online gamer a much shorter time, of course, but I still consider myself at least something of a gamer. And I quite like STO, and consider any claims that it's "not Star Trek" to emanate from those who will often be willing to toss an entire series out. (If the Voth, or "dinos with lasers", can't be considered canon, then I guess at least half of VOY has to go away. If we're supposed to always be at war with the Klingons, and never work with them in common cause, then TNG and a good portion of DS9 must be rejected. If time travel "isn't Trek", then - Great Bird, where do I start? "Tomorrow Is Yesterday"? "Assignment: Earth"? "Trials and Tribble-ations"? "Little Green Men"? "Year of Hell"?)
Stark, it seems quite unlikely that any civilization would build more than one Dyson shell. Do you have any idea of the resources that would go into that? Besides, even a small shell like the one in "Relics" gives you an inner surface area equal to millions of Class-M planets, and the one upcoming is apparently one AU in radius - the sort one might build around the Sun, if one wished to replicate Earth's environments inside. What would be the point of more than just the one?
Thanks for this link, its been awhile since I watched the episode, awesome catch. Oh, by the way, I have to mention this, but I met James Doohan son at a local comicon type convention, Chris is a nice fellow. I hope he gets more screen time in the next Star Trek feature film.
TBH, I'm not all that sure that Star Trek, as we saw it exactly represented on the various shows would translate to an exciting game.
Seriously, where you talked your way out of most conflicts, not to mention all that dialog to read through. I like SOME of that flavor here and there, (to keep it real), but not every mission. That would get boring fast.
This is a video game after all and you know you just gotta blow stuff up, (did you notice how the movies ramped up on the action compared to the series?) The media you tell the story with, dictates how that story is told.
And you have to advance that story too. So what if the Voth were only featured in one episode? The Kazon were featured in many more and to my way of thinking, they would have been a poor choice to base season 8 on because their story's already been told in greater detail.
That's not to say fan favorites like the Borg and such, shouldn't be explored further, or that the Kazon shouldn't pop up occasionally again.
The Voth were intriguing. I look forward to learning more about them. TBH, the thought of fighting that armored, ARMED, T Rex sounds exciting to me honestly. That's how this media demands the story be told.
It would get pretty boring, pretty quick if all we had to do, were things that we already saw done to creatures we've already met in greater detail on the series.
Not to mention that not every player is a die hard Star Trek fan. You gotta appeal to everyone on the Trekker scale.
It really wouldn't... you're right.... there's a lot of things that can be done suspencefully on a show that don't work well for interactive media like a game....... there are elements in the game that bare that... (running around scanning objects in a enemyless environment, cross research of communications) and while they are fun in small doses, if that was the bulk of the game play rather than "Combat" the game would be a ghost town.
Is that point not completely undermined by the fact that in the writing process they decided to use the backdrop of dino-aliens to tell a story that ends up being about people and ethical/moral issues rather than about the dino-aliens themselves?
If anything, you could take Distant Origin as a good example of a 'typical' Star Trek storyline largely because they decided to do something with it other than just have Starfleet fight dinosaurs with space lasers.
At the end of the day Star Trek was a show about people, not starships, not the Borg, not the Dominion.
Indeed, you're absolutely right.... the vast majority of star trek TV episode plots are moral plays.... there's nothing more trek than a moral play episode, of which Distant Origins is one.... I'd argue it was one of the most Trekish Voyager episodes.
STOvsDino Storm
And I leave it here just in case http://www.whereispepper.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Dinosaurs_Lasers.jpg
Anyway, nobody have done chicken with rocket launcher, coming for season 9 ? And a sharknado in space, that would be new to !
Usually we keep this kind of ridiculous SF to SyFy.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
City Ship of the Raptors? Now THAT'S a ST film I'd see. XD
In a distant lab of the Voth Central City Ship one being has perfected a gateway.... In time....
"But Doctrine is wrong!"
"Silence! We will not hear this Heresy!"
But Doctrine couldn't prepare the Voth for the outcome of playing god...
"The Ragnarokosaurus is loose! We Need cotainment Now-AHgghhghgg!!!!"
Pike... Kirk.... Picard... Sisko... That woman in science ship people hate for no real reason... and the female captain of Enterprise C in.....
Star Trek: Raptor's Dawn... With special guest star Mike Myers
Mike as A Voth Dr. Evil: "Look out! It's figured out how to use the lazer beams attached to it's friggin' head!"
Coming this Christmas to STO....
You would make a fine addition to the SYFY channel, because their ideas unlike this one sucks 99% of the time!!!
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
The game is full of combat pets. The fact that voth would have dinosaurs as combat pets makes perfect sense, as that is what they know from their culture.
Probably because said creature are only 50-75% the size of their owner's or user's!!!! Unlike a huge T-Rex or Raptor being equal+greater than the humanoid for which they serve. Kind of makes you think if your house cat was the size of a rhino would it not think of you as a play toy or food?
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Mmmmm but just like any beast of that size can easily turn on you in a heart beat if something goes wrong!!!
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
No but even bio-coding can lead to the creature(s) evolution to surpass the coding and inevitably turn on their enforcer's!!! Tamper with genetics all you like, but just like in shows it can turn around and bite you when you least expect it.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Evolution can take a lonnnnnnnnng time, but it will happen, and also we are just going on some dev's fantasy of wanting this implemented and not what actual script writer's originally intended!!!
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Right. The mechas and dino-lasers are making me seriously doubt whether the whole 'CBS says no' excuse for other proposed additions is based on any real truth. To this CBS said 'yes' but a T5 Connie they said 'no'?
Pull the other one....
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
The ship I can understand as it's an outdated iconic ship, it would like taking a 55' chevy and updating to a modern 2014 car and saying it's a true classic (only by appearance, not reality). As for the other it is given the green light because if the player's by into the whole TRIBBLE plot than it makes all of them money!!!
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
They could've easily said "the Voth waved their magic wand and that was fixed". It would serve to show the Voth as vastly advanced scientists, able to do the inconceivable in a few short decades. They could even throw in references to how the Borg gave up trying to assimilate them until they became nearly as advanced.... maybe even claim that the BORG are in fact an ancient weapon built to defeat the Voth long ago and all this time they've been assimilating anyone and anything they thought would help them reach their objective of becoming powerful enough to defeat the Voth.
Personally I think they went about it in the worst way possible. The Voth should be incredibly advanced, but ultimately be very poor at waging wars because their high tech makes them have very few credible threats they've stagnated and reached a plateau.
Much like the Ancients from the Stargate franchise. Their scientific understanding was almost without limit, but they were incapable of winning wars or common sense solutions to avoid problems later on. They looked human but were truly alien.
But no, it feels like more generic space baddies to fight. Maybe that's unfair of me to say, considering we know very little and ts very early, but after tehy turned the romulan faction into a generic Rebel Alliance..... I'm not optimistic.
Earth Fossils records please, none found showing any sign of evolution of prehistoric creature known as dino evolving into a humanoid like creature, so story too me was always a bit off when related to earth!!! And seeing how the show had limited information to go on, we again are being spoon fed TRIBBLE that we are to believe is what is actual!!! Sorry still can't convince me, and as far as their superiority please it was just one ship Voyager. Hell even large Kazon vessels could do some damage to Voyager, it was just one small Fed vessel not even designed as an actual warship!!!
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!