I would like to just say, as badass as that ship looks (click here if you haven't seen it yet), I'm Jealous because my once feared/Respected Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier is lookin' really weak right about now when compared to the new avenger class.
Please excuse me,...I have a tear in my right eye. That'll be all:(
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Am I the only one around who finds this boat to be too insultingly ugly to even consider buying?
To me, it looks like a Galactica inspired saucer splashed with 25th century fed design book rules (yuck) attached to a JJprise inspired (yuck x10^100000000) secondary hull, again embellished with 25th century fed design book rules (again, yuck).
Look up at it from below. Once seen, it is not unseen! The way the neck meets the secondary hull, the way the front of the secondary hull juts out, the way the pylons meet the hull and the way those same pylons meet the nacelles. All screams "JAYJAYPRAIZ AHMAGAAAAD".
I know what's happened with this. The designer realised that many wanted a t5 connie in game and thought "I KNOW! I'LL GIVE THEM JAYJAYPRIZE REDUX!!!!!11//"
Why is it that the ships with stats that I like are horrendously ugly? I'll be sticking with my fleet excel. But oh wait! That avenger makes all other cruisers before it obsolete! *derp*.
Am I the only one around who finds this boat to be too insultingly ugly to even consider buying?
To me, it looks like a Galactica inspired saucer splashed with 25th century fed design book rules (yuck) attached to a JJprise inspired (yuck x10^100000000) secondary hull, again embellished with 25th century fed design book rules (again, yuck).
Look up at it from below. Once seen, it is not unseen! The way the neck meets the secondary hull, the way the front of the secondary hull juts out, the way the pylons meet the hull and the way those same pylons meet the nacelles. All screams "JAYJAYPRAIZ AHMAGAAAAD".
I know what's happened with this. The designer realised that many wanted a t5 connie in game and thought "I KNOW! I'LL GIVE THEM JAYJAYPRIZE REDUX!!!!!11//"
Why is it that the ships with stats that I like are horrendously ugly? I'll be sticking with my fleet excel. But oh wait! That avenger makes all other cruisers before it obsolete! *derp*.
waah waah waah waah waah.....don't buy it problem solved.
I always knew the day would come when my ships were left behind. I just hoped it would take longer.
Honestly it really is a bit worrying that they're making this just plain better in every way. These things are supposed to have drawbacks to balance out their new power... but here, there's nothing.
Oh look! another one post wonder* come to go "waaah waaah waaah" and "CRYTPIC FTW!"
Seriously fella, if you disagree then do so, but at least give *some* reason why. Who knows, it might make me see the "error of my ways".
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*Yes, I know he was 10 posts, not 1 post.
You didn't make an argument, you made a statement of aesthetic opinion. There's nothing to argue. You want to see the error of your ways? How's this: I like how the ship looks. Bam! Learn subjectivism, please.
Am I the only one around who finds this boat to be too insultingly ugly to even consider buying?
To me, it looks like a Galactica inspired saucer splashed with 25th century fed design book rules (yuck) attached to a JJprise inspired (yuck x10^100000000) secondary hull, again embellished with 25th century fed design book rules (again, yuck).
Look up at it from below. Once seen, it is not unseen! The way the neck meets the secondary hull, the way the front of the secondary hull juts out, the way the pylons meet the hull and the way those same pylons meet the nacelles. All screams "JAYJAYPRAIZ AHMAGAAAAD".
I know what's happened with this. The designer realised that many wanted a t5 connie in game and thought "I KNOW! I'LL GIVE THEM JAYJAYPRIZE REDUX!!!!!11//"
Why is it that the ships with stats that I like are horrendously ugly? I'll be sticking with my fleet excel. But oh wait! That avenger makes all other cruisers before it obsolete! *derp*.
I get the Klingons complaining, they are kind of hurting for new ships. (I'd play my Klingon more if there was a BoP three pack or something fun like that. With totally different and crazy consoles.)
But to hear Fed players rant like this? We have over twenty-one C-Store vessels not counting fleet variants. If yall hate the Avenger so much, buy/grind one you think is better, and show what an awesome skipper you are by rigging her out and blowing Avengers out of the stars.
Indeed. Its a damn good battlecruiser, the ideal weapon the Klingons spent their entire existence perfecting, and we got it right on the 2nd try. :P
But it can't be anything else other than a battlecruiser. I laugh at its puny healing abilities, when the Gal-X and I can still healboat and still SS jump + tac buff lance someone to pieces in pvp. (Just need 10% more stats!!)
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You may want to consider referencing the correct post next time. He explained why he didn't like it. You're just bashing on him because his opinion differs from yours. Instead of senseless complaint, why not respect it and carry on, or explain why you disagree, which he asked about in the first post you quoted.
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
I hate that they don't post the inertia ratings anymore in the shipyard. I presume it will have a 40 value.
It's about the same size as an Excelsior, so 40 seems about right.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
This is no fotm cruiser, this is the only cruiser to fly. Just mindboggling good.
I wonder if I'll be posting builds for this cream de la cream of cruisers. I think I probably will...but damn
Keep in mind that stats are subject to change while in testing.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
This is no fotm cruiser, this is the only cruiser to fly. Just mindboggling good.
I wonder if I'll be posting builds for this cream de la cream of cruisers. I think I probably will...but damn
I guess i don't see it as all the uniquely special over the assault cruiser. The turnrate is nice, but other than that, I see the 5 fore hurting in some circumstances because now an escort can stay behind you and have less to worry about.
I like the look of the ship, more old school navy ship like, blocky and menacing. I think the Assault will have the advantage once the Cruiser abilities hit all cruiser ships.
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I guess i don't see it as all the uniquely special over the assault cruiser. The turnrate is nice, but other than that, I see the 5 fore hurting in some circumstances because now an escort can stay behind you and have less to worry about.
I like the look of the ship, more old school navy ship like, blocky and menacing. I think the Assault will have the advantage once the Cruiser abilities hit all cruiser ships.
You're thinking only of PVP, though. The meat of the game is PVE, and in PVE the weakness in its aft weapon slots is minimal.
Indeed. Its a damn good battlecruiser...But it can't be anything else other than a battlecruiser.
This is exactly why the whiners going "Welp, the Enterprise-F is toast, they should just make this one the Starfleet Flagship" are wrong. Regardless of all the war going on in 2409, Starfleet is still a multirole organization, and the Odyssey's a much better representative of those ideals than any ol' gunboat.
You're thinking only of PVP, though. The meat of the game is PVE, and in PVE the weakness in its aft weapon slots is minimal.
Who cares about anything being OP or all that in PVE, not going to hurt the AI feelings, harder missions with the elite setting, if you want a softer ship outfit softer. Sometimes I put beams and torps on my escort for missions just for the feel. PVE is as much of a challenge as we want to make it, optimization is a priority for pvp and NWS.
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This is exactly why the whiners going "Welp, the Enterprise-F is toast, they should just make this one the Starfleet Flagship" are wrong. Regardless of all the war going on in 2409, Starfleet is still a multirole organization, and the Odyssey's a much better representative of those ideals than any ol' gunboat.
You are right the ODDY is more resilient and diverse, but diversity is not needed in STO. SO for starfleet the Oddy can be the flagship class, but for STO it is a toss up between the fleet Regent and this new monster. I only say this because STO is a combat star trek game, how many missions are done without going to red alert?
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All current Fed Cruisers are jokes in the STFs compared to the klingons and Romulan ships in firepower
Now its even. The Feds can now hit as hard as the klingon's but still falls behind the Romulans because if the superior BOFF abilitys they get Superior operative. 11.5% base crit chance !!
but ship to ship My Fed does not feel outclasssed now
The only problem i have with the ship is this
Its too small
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Too small? It's aproximately the size of the Excelsior according to BranFlakes. If anything (design wise) is perfect on this ship, that's her size.
The Federation never constructed oversized monstrosities, the Odyssey is already stretching it quite a bit, but we really don't need any more humongous ships in STO - sector space is already becomming more and more clogged and looks ridiculous with all the overcompensating Romulan ships.
Honestly, if I got to choose the size of the ship I'd go with something in between the Excelsior and Vesta/Sovereign. So the size they chose is fine by me.
You are right the ODDY is more resilient and diverse, but diversity is not needed in STO. SO for starfleet the Oddy can be the flagship class, but for STO it is a toss up between the fleet Regent and this new monster. I only say this because STO is a combat star trek game, how many missions are done without going to red alert?
Riding the Avenger in A2B mode will make it more squishy thant the Regent of Excelsior. So in sustained damage both will outclass it because they`ll live long enough to do damage.
And dont underestimate the Odyssey, im a big Excelsior/Regent fan myself but when it comes to Cubes, Gates, Nanite Transformers and basicly everything that doesnt explode from just looking at it, the Science Odyssey outdamages all other broadsiding Cruisers on the Fedside b ecause of A2B+FAWIII+TS2+APB+sensor analysys.
For Cruisers Fedside and Battlecruisers on the KDF side i think the new comm array abilities are ment to counter the Warbards to some degree. Well see how that plays out.
Riding the Avenger in A2B mode will make it more squishy thant the Regent of Excelsior. So in sustained damage both will outclass it because they`ll live long enough to do damage.
And dont underestimate the Odyssey, im a big Excelsior/Regent fan myself but when it comes to Cubes, Gates, Nanite Transformers and basicly everything that doesnt explode from just looking at it, the Science Odyssey outdamages all other broadsiding Cruisers on the Fedside b ecause of A2B+FAWIII+TS2+APB+sensor analysys.
For Cruisers Fedside and Battlecruisers on the KDF side i think the new comm array abilities are ment to counter the Warbards to some degree. Well see how that plays out.
I think the advantage of the Avenger is its shield modifier and turn rate, if I try this ship out, I don't plan on putting cannons on the thing so I will still use broadside attacks and it will be easier to swap shield facings on sustained attacks.
I do fly the oddy sci currently on my engineer, because I use it for healing primarily. If I were to pug more often I would stick with the fleet excelsior or regent. I orbit targets while attacking and get in close for dps, if I start getting hurt I transfer to a higher orbit over a large target and heal while taking less damage then go back down to pick a fight again. Most cruiser pilots park and broadside, if you keep moving and adjust distances to suit the situation you can increase your survivability. Also the advantage of beam boats is you stay right above a cube (or other large target) and just by subtly shift your position you can change which shield facing takes damage while still having all 8 beams fire downward.
I will say that I am a heavy healer in pvp and pve teams. In doing that I keep escorts in a fight longer and consider that my heals are combat multipliers. As far as the team goes, we do more dps when I am johnny on the spot with TT, HE, extends, AuxSif3, ET, and TSS. Parsers and stf competition times support my assumption that my healing cruiser permits a team to do more team dps when it matters (spike) than a A2B cruiser when you are coupled with competent escorts and science ships. I don't care to be the most efficient ship in dps, I care to do my role and have the most efficient team. If i were to solo more of my game play I can see the A2B being more useful, but pve typically bores me unless it is with a team.
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Yeah most cruiser pilots dont know how to braodside efectivly, they just sit there and get blown to bits doing nothing for the team. i usualy orbit my main target as well looking out for teammates to heal if possible.
I often use the oddy for that as i can put those workbees on the weakest link once i see someone doing it wrong, while my sa stacks on the big targets so i can do more damage, and all the while my rsp3 gets active i throw around heals whenever possible.
Dps and support is doable on the right setup.
In PvP however i also prefer the Excelsior, its just more nimble, resilint and has the ideal mix of offensive power and survivability while still having heals ready to throw around.
Its a lovely ship.
i think the new Avenger will put one more step away from that into a to much tac for its own sake category.
I do see a role for that type of ship though as a first strike or finisher. Get in, do oads of damage, get the agro, survive the onslought while getting away for another pass, kinda liek hit in run but playing the anvil for some time in between, while real cruisers keep the damage up and cross heal, and escorts can do their hunt down the other attackes.
Sci heals and controle builts should now have a little more freedom to do their stuff as well.
Hope the Sci guys get some love as well. I mean the offensive option on the nukara rep system tier 4 is very nice for sci ships. Finaly something to push them.
But they need somethign they get by default to be worthwhile in pve. In pvp they still are very powerfull at least in the healing role or in the disruption role.
They could use some more firepower though.
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
Please excuse me,...I have a tear in my right eye. That'll be all:(
Am I the only one around who finds this boat to be too insultingly ugly to even consider buying?
To me, it looks like a Galactica inspired saucer splashed with 25th century fed design book rules (yuck) attached to a JJprise inspired (yuck x10^100000000) secondary hull, again embellished with 25th century fed design book rules (again, yuck).
Look up at it from below. Once seen, it is not unseen! The way the neck meets the secondary hull, the way the front of the secondary hull juts out, the way the pylons meet the hull and the way those same pylons meet the nacelles. All screams "JAYJAYPRAIZ AHMAGAAAAD".
I know what's happened with this. The designer realised that many wanted a t5 connie in game and thought "I KNOW! I'LL GIVE THEM JAYJAYPRIZE REDUX!!!!!11//"
Why is it that the ships with stats that I like are horrendously ugly?
waah waah waah waah waah.....don't buy it problem solved.
Honestly it really is a bit worrying that they're making this just plain better in every way. These things are supposed to have drawbacks to balance out their new power... but here, there's nothing.
Oh look! another one post wonder* come to go "waaah waaah waaah" and "CRYTPIC FTW!"
Seriously fella, if you disagree then do so, but at least give *some* reason why. Who knows, it might make me see the "error of my ways".
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*Yes, I know he was 10 posts, not 1 post.
You didn't make an argument, you made a statement of aesthetic opinion. There's nothing to argue. You want to see the error of your ways? How's this: I like how the ship looks. Bam! Learn subjectivism, please.
Perfect boff layout
Amazing hull
Terrific shield multiplier
Best cruiser turn rate
4 Tact consoles
This is no fotm cruiser, this is the only cruiser to fly. Just mindboggling good.
I wonder if I'll be posting builds for this cream de la cream of cruisers. I think I probably will...but damn
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
You want a reason? All you are doing is just bashing how the ship looks...newsflash if you don't want to look at it don't buy it.
Are you one of the 'glorius' devs hiding behind a silly name or something, trying to convert us?
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
Not bashing it huh......could have fooled me.
I like the Avenger.
I get the Klingons complaining, they are kind of hurting for new ships. (I'd play my Klingon more if there was a BoP three pack or something fun like that. With totally different and crazy consoles.)
But to hear Fed players rant like this? We have over twenty-one C-Store vessels not counting fleet variants. If yall hate the Avenger so much, buy/grind one you think is better, and show what an awesome skipper you are by rigging her out and blowing Avengers out of the stars.
Or just don't buy it until it gets a hanger...;)
i much prefer my fleet assault cruiser over this strange thing
it has some nice stats here and there but nothing to make it really better
But it can't be anything else other than a battlecruiser. I laugh at its puny healing abilities, when the Gal-X and I can still healboat and still SS jump + tac buff lance someone to pieces in pvp. (Just need 10% more stats!!)
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You may want to consider referencing the correct post next time. He explained why he didn't like it. You're just bashing on him because his opinion differs from yours. Instead of senseless complaint, why not respect it and carry on, or explain why you disagree, which he asked about in the first post you quoted.
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
I guess i don't see it as all the uniquely special over the assault cruiser. The turnrate is nice, but other than that, I see the 5 fore hurting in some circumstances because now an escort can stay behind you and have less to worry about.
I like the look of the ship, more old school navy ship like, blocky and menacing. I think the Assault will have the advantage once the Cruiser abilities hit all cruiser ships.
You're thinking only of PVP, though. The meat of the game is PVE, and in PVE the weakness in its aft weapon slots is minimal.
This is exactly why the whiners going "Welp, the Enterprise-F is toast, they should just make this one the Starfleet Flagship" are wrong. Regardless of all the war going on in 2409, Starfleet is still a multirole organization, and the Odyssey's a much better representative of those ideals than any ol' gunboat.
Who cares about anything being OP or all that in PVE, not going to hurt the AI feelings, harder missions with the elite setting, if you want a softer ship outfit softer. Sometimes I put beams and torps on my escort for missions just for the feel. PVE is as much of a challenge as we want to make it, optimization is a priority for pvp and NWS.
You are right the ODDY is more resilient and diverse, but diversity is not needed in STO. SO for starfleet the Oddy can be the flagship class, but for STO it is a toss up between the fleet Regent and this new monster. I only say this because STO is a combat star trek game, how many missions are done without going to red alert?
All current Fed Cruisers are jokes in the STFs compared to the klingons and Romulan ships in firepower
Now its even. The Feds can now hit as hard as the klingon's but still falls behind the Romulans because if the superior BOFF abilitys they get Superior operative. 11.5% base crit chance !!
but ship to ship My Fed does not feel outclasssed now
The only problem i have with the ship is this
Its too small
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
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Too small? It's aproximately the size of the Excelsior according to BranFlakes. If anything (design wise) is perfect on this ship, that's her size.
The Federation never constructed oversized monstrosities, the Odyssey is already stretching it quite a bit, but we really don't need any more humongous ships in STO - sector space is already becomming more and more clogged and looks ridiculous with all the overcompensating Romulan ships.
Honestly, if I got to choose the size of the ship I'd go with something in between the Excelsior and Vesta/Sovereign. So the size they chose is fine by me.
Riding the Avenger in A2B mode will make it more squishy thant the Regent of Excelsior. So in sustained damage both will outclass it because they`ll live long enough to do damage.
And dont underestimate the Odyssey, im a big Excelsior/Regent fan myself but when it comes to Cubes, Gates, Nanite Transformers and basicly everything that doesnt explode from just looking at it, the Science Odyssey outdamages all other broadsiding Cruisers on the Fedside b ecause of A2B+FAWIII+TS2+APB+sensor analysys.
For Cruisers Fedside and Battlecruisers on the KDF side i think the new comm array abilities are ment to counter the Warbards to some degree. Well see how that plays out.
I think the advantage of the Avenger is its shield modifier and turn rate, if I try this ship out, I don't plan on putting cannons on the thing so I will still use broadside attacks and it will be easier to swap shield facings on sustained attacks.
I do fly the oddy sci currently on my engineer, because I use it for healing primarily. If I were to pug more often I would stick with the fleet excelsior or regent. I orbit targets while attacking and get in close for dps, if I start getting hurt I transfer to a higher orbit over a large target and heal while taking less damage then go back down to pick a fight again. Most cruiser pilots park and broadside, if you keep moving and adjust distances to suit the situation you can increase your survivability. Also the advantage of beam boats is you stay right above a cube (or other large target) and just by subtly shift your position you can change which shield facing takes damage while still having all 8 beams fire downward.
I will say that I am a heavy healer in pvp and pve teams. In doing that I keep escorts in a fight longer and consider that my heals are combat multipliers. As far as the team goes, we do more dps when I am johnny on the spot with TT, HE, extends, AuxSif3, ET, and TSS. Parsers and stf competition times support my assumption that my healing cruiser permits a team to do more team dps when it matters (spike) than a A2B cruiser when you are coupled with competent escorts and science ships. I don't care to be the most efficient ship in dps, I care to do my role and have the most efficient team. If i were to solo more of my game play I can see the A2B being more useful, but pve typically bores me unless it is with a team.
I often use the oddy for that as i can put those workbees on the weakest link once i see someone doing it wrong, while my sa stacks on the big targets so i can do more damage, and all the while my rsp3 gets active i throw around heals whenever possible.
Dps and support is doable on the right setup.
In PvP however i also prefer the Excelsior, its just more nimble, resilint and has the ideal mix of offensive power and survivability while still having heals ready to throw around.
Its a lovely ship.
i think the new Avenger will put one more step away from that into a to much tac for its own sake category.
I do see a role for that type of ship though as a first strike or finisher. Get in, do oads of damage, get the agro, survive the onslought while getting away for another pass, kinda liek hit in run but playing the anvil for some time in between, while real cruisers keep the damage up and cross heal, and escorts can do their hunt down the other attackes.
Sci heals and controle builts should now have a little more freedom to do their stuff as well.
Hope the Sci guys get some love as well. I mean the offensive option on the nukara rep system tier 4 is very nice for sci ships. Finaly something to push them.
But they need somethign they get by default to be worthwhile in pve. In pvp they still are very powerfull at least in the healing role or in the disruption role.
They could use some more firepower though.