It is a issue because now the Galaxy X loses something it had that no other Starfleet Cruiser has regardless of how much someone would want to use it.
Edit: I so wish the Galaxy X had the Bridge Layout of this new ship.
I'm hoping when galaxy x gets fleet version it will get 5 forward weapons. 3 aft and tac commander engi lt com tac lt and sci or engi lt engi or sci ensign.
I'm hoping when galaxy x gets fleet version it will get 5 forward weapons. 3 aft and tac commander engi lt com tac lt and sci or engi lt engi or sci ensign.
If they ever release a Fleet version it won't have such a difference to its C-Store version. All that can be hoped is they make changes to the C-Store version to make it better and then have the Fleet version have 10% more hull and shields with +1 console.
I am dreading the day that all actual STAR TREK ships are totally obsolete with nothing special and unique about them compared to new ships designed for just this game.
If they ever release a Fleet version it won't have such a difference to its C-Store version. All that can be hoped is they make changes to the C-Store version to make it better and then have the Fleet version have 10% more hull and shields with +1 console.
They have changed layouts before, when it comes to fleet ships. But i suspect they are waiting for the tech to do boff layout swaps for ships of a line.
The fleet version of it sure is badass:
4 eng consoles, 4 tac consoles and 2 sci consoles
Now add a turn rate of 9 and a base hull comparable to the Oddy and you've got one hell of a ship to fly
My idea of a loadout you don't wanna deal with:
Front guns:
1 Advanced fleet quantum torpedo
3 Elite fleet dual heavy phasers
1 Quad phaser cannon (for moar dps), but another elite fleet phaser can do as well
Back:
2x Elite fleet phaser turrets
1x kinetic cutting beam (again, replace with turret if you don't have/like)
Console slots:
Engineering:
4x Advanced neutronium Alloy Mk XII (turn) (gives 21.2% to damage resist, kinetic resist and turn rate each, making RCS accelerators obsolete)
Tactical:
4x Phaser damage tactical consoles mk XII (rare or uncommon)
Science:
The universal console of this ship and additionally the cloaking console from the Galaxy-X or the cloak-Defiant
Shield/Engine/Deflector/Warp core:
All Mk XII elite fleet stuff of your choice
Now put that onto a tactical character and go wild
Sure, I miss a commander tactical BOFF slot, but a "Aceton beam III" as engineering ability gives your opponent a surprise too, especially considering your high alpha after decloaking and activating every damage buff/enemy debuff ability you have
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It is a issue because now the Galaxy X loses something it had that no other Starfleet Cruiser has regardless of how much someone would want to use it.
Edit: I so wish the Galaxy X had the Bridge Layout of this new ship.
Here, here! I was 1v1ing with a couple fleet buddies of mine, and while I wasn't very effective at anything other than thinning out their shields, my cloaking right off the bat did get on their nerves.
The first time the guy was circling the map at full impulse with his little aquarius trying to keep up. I just watched him pass by me a couple times before I uncloaked and opened fire on him. In a straight up brawl with my engie boffs, I can last a fair amount longer than I can in an escort, the only difference was in my Dreadnought, all my hull damage was bleedthrough, whereas my escort could punch through the shields and knock about 20% of his hull before he killed me.
My dread kept his shields pretty low, though...
Anyway, I feel a little less special, knowing that people might buy a dread or defiant only for the cloaking device for their Avenger. Yes, it's not battle cloak, but it still has its uses, and comes with some decent buffs.
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Here, here! I was 1v1ing with a couple fleet buddies of mine, and while I wasn't very effective at anything other than thinning out their shields, my cloaking right off the bat did get on their nerves.
The first time the guy was circling the map at full impulse with his little aquarius trying to keep up. I just watched him pass by me a couple times before I uncloaked and opened fire on him. In a straight up brawl with my engie boffs, I can last a fair amount longer than I can in an escort, the only difference was in my Dreadnought, all my hull damage was bleedthrough, whereas my escort could punch through the shields and knock about 20% of his hull before he killed me.
My dread kept his shields pretty low, though...
Anyway, I feel a little less special, knowing that people might buy a dread or defiant only for the cloaking device for their Avenger. Yes, it's not battle cloak, but it still has its uses, and comes with some decent buffs.
Agreed, especially 1 on 1 fights are where this cloak can truly shine
The dread sadly has a painfully slow turn rate while the new cruiser will have a turn rate of 9 (I checked on the test server) what is insanely fast for a cruiser, especially for a cruiser with these forward weapons
Now add 4 "Enchanced neutronium alloy (Turn)" consoles and you got a powerhouse that will turn around in no time
(this engineering console provides decent protection against both kinetic and any energy damage, but also gives a bonus to the turn rate, so you don't have to sacrifice a slot for a RCS accelerator)
But what is REALLY scary is the combination of 5 forward guns and these insane tanking abilities plus the turn rate, especially the fleet version, because you can put in both the cloak console AND the Avanger console into the science slots so you won't need to give up on a tac/eng slot
In a one on one against a scimitar, the Avenger would probably be the winner (yes, I have a 3-set Scimitar with fleet stuff)
horrible looking ship even the vesta with its space whale look is more attractive.
Thanks but no thanks.
Lol who cares about looks?
I mean after a week or so you wouldn't care at all no matter how good-looking/ugly your ship is
Didn't u read the Devblog?
This ship was made to be more leaned towards combat so of course it is going to be a bit less "good- looking"
It isn't a ship made 100% for combat like the USS Vengeance from Star trek: Into darkness, but still it is MOSTLY made for blowing stuff up
Kumari also looks like a dark blue piece of s*** but it still is one of the best escorts in game and a lot of people use it
Don't be fooled in regards to this new ship, its essentialy the tier 5 VA Whale class version, revamped in a new skin that resembles Bellerophon sci vessel skin
Its the whale in disguised, using a mixture of Vanguard Class using the Imperial Lobster looking cosmetic skin, and the Rainmaker sci ship style.
I am quite disappointed, I was expecting an entirely new and fresh design, its just a horrible re-skin job.
are there any more Canon vessels left to include in this game?
Don't be fooled in regards to this new ship, its essentialy the tier 5 VA Whale class version, revamped in a new skin that resembles Bellerophon sci vessel skin
Its the whale in disguised, using a mixture of Vanguard Class using the Imperial Lobster looking cosmetic skin, and the Rainmaker sci ship style.
I am quite disappointed, I was expecting an entirely new and fresh design, its just a horrible re-skin job.
are there any more Canon vessels left to include in this game?
You forgot about the split neck and saucer hull integration it got from the Oddy
And I don't think the design is the issue here at all
What makes me interested in that ship is its fleet version and the firepower it has, I couldn't care less about whether it'd be bulky as the Enterprise C or if it was an exact copy of the Oddy class
The people will buy it because it will have the tank of the oddy and a firepower comparable to the Kumari, nothing else
I did a bit of research into the Vengeance... Not a huge fan of the nacelles, but I do like it, and the ominous casket shaped hole in the saucer... I'd fly it.
But we won't see it here. It would only be a T3 Dreadnought anyway.
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Well unfortunately; the type 6 skin only sticks when you use the default look. Otherwise customizing it is the way to go, just wish it allow for type 6 skin job when you mix and match.
Yet it is still an ugly @ss beast, LOL. Then again all Whale Class were PUGLY
Well unfortunately; the type 6 skin only sticks when you use the default look. Otherwise customizing it is the way to go, just wish it allow for type 6 skin job when you mix and match.
Yet it is still an ugly @ss beast, LOL. Then again all Whale Class were PUGLY
Jamjamz fixed the Type 6 material so it now works with all compatible parts on a ship.
I would like to just say, as badass as that ship looks (click here if you haven't seen it yet), I'm Jealous because my once feared/Respected Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier is lookin' really weak right about now when compared to the new avenger class.
Please excuse me,...I have a tear in my right eye. That'll be all:(
One day Cryptic will be free from their Perfect World overlord. Until that day comes, they will continue to pamper the whales of this game, and ignore everyone that isn't a whale.
Am I the only one around who finds this boat to be too insultingly ugly to even consider buying?
To me, it looks like a Galactica inspired saucer splashed with 25th century fed design book rules (yuck) attached to a JJprise inspired (yuck x10^100000000) secondary hull, again embellished with 25th century fed design book rules (again, yuck).
Look up at it from below. Once seen, it is not unseen! The way the neck meets the secondary hull, the way the front of the secondary hull juts out, the way the pylons meet the hull and the way those same pylons meet the nacelles. All screams "JAYJAYPRAIZ AHMAGAAAAD".
I know what's happened with this. The designer realised that many wanted a t5 connie in game and thought "I KNOW! I'LL GIVE THEM JAYJAYPRIZE REDUX!!!!!11//"
Why is it that the ships with stats that I like are horrendously ugly? I'll be sticking with my fleet excel. But oh wait! That avenger makes all other cruisers before it obsolete! *derp*.
Am I the only one around who finds this boat to be too insultingly ugly to even consider buying?
To me, it looks like a Galactica inspired saucer splashed with 25th century fed design book rules (yuck) attached to a JJprise inspired (yuck x10^100000000) secondary hull, again embellished with 25th century fed design book rules (again, yuck).
Look up at it from below. Once seen, it is not unseen! The way the neck meets the secondary hull, the way the front of the secondary hull juts out, the way the pylons meet the hull and the way those same pylons meet the nacelles. All screams "JAYJAYPRAIZ AHMAGAAAAD".
I know what's happened with this. The designer realised that many wanted a t5 connie in game and thought "I KNOW! I'LL GIVE THEM JAYJAYPRIZE REDUX!!!!!11//"
Why is it that the ships with stats that I like are horrendously ugly? I'll be sticking with my fleet excel. But oh wait! That avenger makes all other cruisers before it obsolete! *derp*.
waah waah waah waah waah.....don't buy it problem solved.
I always knew the day would come when my ships were left behind. I just hoped it would take longer.
Honestly it really is a bit worrying that they're making this just plain better in every way. These things are supposed to have drawbacks to balance out their new power... but here, there's nothing.
Oh look! another one post wonder* come to go "waaah waaah waaah" and "CRYTPIC FTW!"
Seriously fella, if you disagree then do so, but at least give *some* reason why. Who knows, it might make me see the "error of my ways".
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*Yes, I know he was 10 posts, not 1 post.
You didn't make an argument, you made a statement of aesthetic opinion. There's nothing to argue. You want to see the error of your ways? How's this: I like how the ship looks. Bam! Learn subjectivism, please.
Am I the only one around who finds this boat to be too insultingly ugly to even consider buying?
To me, it looks like a Galactica inspired saucer splashed with 25th century fed design book rules (yuck) attached to a JJprise inspired (yuck x10^100000000) secondary hull, again embellished with 25th century fed design book rules (again, yuck).
Look up at it from below. Once seen, it is not unseen! The way the neck meets the secondary hull, the way the front of the secondary hull juts out, the way the pylons meet the hull and the way those same pylons meet the nacelles. All screams "JAYJAYPRAIZ AHMAGAAAAD".
I know what's happened with this. The designer realised that many wanted a t5 connie in game and thought "I KNOW! I'LL GIVE THEM JAYJAYPRIZE REDUX!!!!!11//"
Why is it that the ships with stats that I like are horrendously ugly? I'll be sticking with my fleet excel. But oh wait! That avenger makes all other cruisers before it obsolete! *derp*.
I get the Klingons complaining, they are kind of hurting for new ships. (I'd play my Klingon more if there was a BoP three pack or something fun like that. With totally different and crazy consoles.)
But to hear Fed players rant like this? We have over twenty-one C-Store vessels not counting fleet variants. If yall hate the Avenger so much, buy/grind one you think is better, and show what an awesome skipper you are by rigging her out and blowing Avengers out of the stars.
Indeed. Its a damn good battlecruiser, the ideal weapon the Klingons spent their entire existence perfecting, and we got it right on the 2nd try. :P
But it can't be anything else other than a battlecruiser. I laugh at its puny healing abilities, when the Gal-X and I can still healboat and still SS jump + tac buff lance someone to pieces in pvp. (Just need 10% more stats!!)
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I'm hoping when galaxy x gets fleet version it will get 5 forward weapons. 3 aft and tac commander engi lt com tac lt and sci or engi lt engi or sci ensign.
If they ever release a Fleet version it won't have such a difference to its C-Store version. All that can be hoped is they make changes to the C-Store version to make it better and then have the Fleet version have 10% more hull and shields with +1 console.
I am dreading the day that all actual STAR TREK ships are totally obsolete with nothing special and unique about them compared to new ships designed for just this game.
They have changed layouts before, when it comes to fleet ships. But i suspect they are waiting for the tech to do boff layout swaps for ships of a line.
Only slight changes.
4 eng consoles, 4 tac consoles and 2 sci consoles
Now add a turn rate of 9 and a base hull comparable to the Oddy and you've got one hell of a ship to fly
My idea of a loadout you don't wanna deal with:
Front guns:
1 Advanced fleet quantum torpedo
3 Elite fleet dual heavy phasers
1 Quad phaser cannon (for moar dps), but another elite fleet phaser can do as well
Back:
2x Elite fleet phaser turrets
1x kinetic cutting beam (again, replace with turret if you don't have/like)
Console slots:
Engineering:
4x Advanced neutronium Alloy Mk XII (turn) (gives 21.2% to damage resist, kinetic resist and turn rate each, making RCS accelerators obsolete)
Tactical:
4x Phaser damage tactical consoles mk XII (rare or uncommon)
Science:
The universal console of this ship and additionally the cloaking console from the Galaxy-X or the cloak-Defiant
Shield/Engine/Deflector/Warp core:
All Mk XII elite fleet stuff of your choice
Now put that onto a tactical character and go wild
Sure, I miss a commander tactical BOFF slot, but a "Aceton beam III" as engineering ability gives your opponent a surprise too, especially considering your high alpha after decloaking and activating every damage buff/enemy debuff ability you have
Here, here! I was 1v1ing with a couple fleet buddies of mine, and while I wasn't very effective at anything other than thinning out their shields, my cloaking right off the bat did get on their nerves.
The first time the guy was circling the map at full impulse with his little aquarius trying to keep up. I just watched him pass by me a couple times before I uncloaked and opened fire on him. In a straight up brawl with my engie boffs, I can last a fair amount longer than I can in an escort, the only difference was in my Dreadnought, all my hull damage was bleedthrough, whereas my escort could punch through the shields and knock about 20% of his hull before he killed me.
My dread kept his shields pretty low, though...
Anyway, I feel a little less special, knowing that people might buy a dread or defiant only for the cloaking device for their Avenger. Yes, it's not battle cloak, but it still has its uses, and comes with some decent buffs.
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
Agreed, especially 1 on 1 fights are where this cloak can truly shine
The dread sadly has a painfully slow turn rate while the new cruiser will have a turn rate of 9 (I checked on the test server) what is insanely fast for a cruiser, especially for a cruiser with these forward weapons
Now add 4 "Enchanced neutronium alloy (Turn)" consoles and you got a powerhouse that will turn around in no time
(this engineering console provides decent protection against both kinetic and any energy damage, but also gives a bonus to the turn rate, so you don't have to sacrifice a slot for a RCS accelerator)
But what is REALLY scary is the combination of 5 forward guns and these insane tanking abilities plus the turn rate, especially the fleet version, because you can put in both the cloak console AND the Avanger console into the science slots so you won't need to give up on a tac/eng slot
In a one on one against a scimitar, the Avenger would probably be the winner (yes, I have a 3-set Scimitar with fleet stuff)
horrible looking ship even the vesta with its space whale look is more attractive.
Thanks but no thanks.
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Lol who cares about looks?
I mean after a week or so you wouldn't care at all no matter how good-looking/ugly your ship is
Didn't u read the Devblog?
This ship was made to be more leaned towards combat so of course it is going to be a bit less "good- looking"
It isn't a ship made 100% for combat like the USS Vengeance from Star trek: Into darkness, but still it is MOSTLY made for blowing stuff up
Kumari also looks like a dark blue piece of s*** but it still is one of the best escorts in game and a lot of people use it
Its the whale in disguised, using a mixture of Vanguard Class using the Imperial Lobster looking cosmetic skin, and the Rainmaker sci ship style.
I am quite disappointed, I was expecting an entirely new and fresh design, its just a horrible re-skin job.
are there any more Canon vessels left to include in this game?
You forgot about the split neck and saucer hull integration it got from the Oddy
And I don't think the design is the issue here at all
What makes me interested in that ship is its fleet version and the firepower it has, I couldn't care less about whether it'd be bulky as the Enterprise C or if it was an exact copy of the Oddy class
The people will buy it because it will have the tank of the oddy and a firepower comparable to the Kumari, nothing else
But we won't see it here. It would only be a T3 Dreadnought anyway.
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
Yet it is still an ugly @ss beast, LOL. Then again all Whale Class were PUGLY
Jamjamz fixed the Type 6 material so it now works with all compatible parts on a ship.
I've never seen issues with the Type 6 Material before. Was there an issue? Watch this post show up two pages later and it's irrelevant.
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
Please excuse me,...I have a tear in my right eye. That'll be all:(
Am I the only one around who finds this boat to be too insultingly ugly to even consider buying?
To me, it looks like a Galactica inspired saucer splashed with 25th century fed design book rules (yuck) attached to a JJprise inspired (yuck x10^100000000) secondary hull, again embellished with 25th century fed design book rules (again, yuck).
Look up at it from below. Once seen, it is not unseen! The way the neck meets the secondary hull, the way the front of the secondary hull juts out, the way the pylons meet the hull and the way those same pylons meet the nacelles. All screams "JAYJAYPRAIZ AHMAGAAAAD".
I know what's happened with this. The designer realised that many wanted a t5 connie in game and thought "I KNOW! I'LL GIVE THEM JAYJAYPRIZE REDUX!!!!!11//"
Why is it that the ships with stats that I like are horrendously ugly?
waah waah waah waah waah.....don't buy it problem solved.
Honestly it really is a bit worrying that they're making this just plain better in every way. These things are supposed to have drawbacks to balance out their new power... but here, there's nothing.
Oh look! another one post wonder* come to go "waaah waaah waaah" and "CRYTPIC FTW!"
Seriously fella, if you disagree then do so, but at least give *some* reason why. Who knows, it might make me see the "error of my ways".
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*Yes, I know he was 10 posts, not 1 post.
You didn't make an argument, you made a statement of aesthetic opinion. There's nothing to argue. You want to see the error of your ways? How's this: I like how the ship looks. Bam! Learn subjectivism, please.
Perfect boff layout
Amazing hull
Terrific shield multiplier
Best cruiser turn rate
4 Tact consoles
This is no fotm cruiser, this is the only cruiser to fly. Just mindboggling good.
I wonder if I'll be posting builds for this cream de la cream of cruisers. I think I probably will...but damn
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
You want a reason? All you are doing is just bashing how the ship looks...newsflash if you don't want to look at it don't buy it.
Are you one of the 'glorius' devs hiding behind a silly name or something, trying to convert us?
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
Not bashing it huh......could have fooled me.
I like the Avenger.
I get the Klingons complaining, they are kind of hurting for new ships. (I'd play my Klingon more if there was a BoP three pack or something fun like that. With totally different and crazy consoles.)
But to hear Fed players rant like this? We have over twenty-one C-Store vessels not counting fleet variants. If yall hate the Avenger so much, buy/grind one you think is better, and show what an awesome skipper you are by rigging her out and blowing Avengers out of the stars.
Or just don't buy it until it gets a hanger...;)
i much prefer my fleet assault cruiser over this strange thing
it has some nice stats here and there but nothing to make it really better
But it can't be anything else other than a battlecruiser. I laugh at its puny healing abilities, when the Gal-X and I can still healboat and still SS jump + tac buff lance someone to pieces in pvp. (Just need 10% more stats!!)
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