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1) Beam Arrays.
2) Weapon Power. Beam Arrays will continue to increase the damage of beam arrays past 125 weapon power. But doesn't Cryptic tell us this isn't the case? Yep, but it is the case anyways, and it's nothing new. Stack your ship with Emergency Power to Weapons, Auxiliary to Battery, Plasmonic Leech, Weapons Batteries, X>W warp cores, and weapon power resistance abilities like DEM + Marion DOFF and Assimilated console + Cutting Beam.
3) EPS Power Transfer. Stack this too. But doesn't Cryptic tell us that EPS doesn't improve the power regeneration from weapon power consumption? They sure do, but thanks to the weapon power overcapping above, it still works when power is capped over 125, and not only does it work, it works much more effectively.
4) Fire at Will spam FTW. Seriously, you'll do 30k dps in PvE with these builds, and against players, (if you have more than one player doing this) their hulls will melt before you.
Is this an exploit? Hard to say, but it's been in the game for a LONG time, it's been brought up to the devs for a LONG time, and nothing's been done to fix it for a LONG time.
At this point, if it's not being changed, it's part of the game. Everyone should be using it.
2) Weapon Power. Beam Arrays will continue to increase the damage of beam arrays past 125 weapon power. But doesn't Cryptic tell us this isn't the case? Yep, but it is the case anyways, and it's nothing new. Stack your ship with Emergency Power to Weapons, Auxiliary to Battery, Plasmonic Leech, Weapons Batteries, X>W warp cores, and weapon power resistance abilities like DEM + Marion DOFF and Assimilated console + Cutting Beam.
3) EPS Power Transfer. Stack this too. But doesn't Cryptic tell us that EPS doesn't improve the power regeneration from weapon power consumption? They sure do, but thanks to the weapon power overcapping above, it still works when power is capped over 125, and not only does it work, it works much more effectively.
4) Fire at Will spam FTW. Seriously, you'll do 30k dps in PvE with these builds, and against players, (if you have more than one player doing this) their hulls will melt before you.
Is this an exploit? Hard to say, but it's been in the game for a LONG time, it's been brought up to the devs for a LONG time, and nothing's been done to fix it for a LONG time.
At this point, if it's not being changed, it's part of the game. Everyone should be using it.
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Now, if only everybody started doing this, that'd be swell. That might finally be enough to warrant a clear response by the devs as to whether these components are in fact WAI (mostly points 2 and 3).
Well, what are you people waiting for?
Prove it. Seriously. Not joking. Overcapping Weapon Power by itself is not doing it. I've argued until I was blue in the face to prove to folks that overcapping Weapon Power helps fight off DPS loss by providing a buffer. That's DPS loss - not DPS gain. A cannon build is good at 130-135 while a beam build is looking at 170-190+ to fight off loss from the drain.
With various parses, I broke down the amount of damage that was lost by only overcapping to a certain amount vs a higher amount.
@125 Weapon Power, you're looking at a 2.5x damage modifier.
@115 Weapon Power, you're looking at a 2.3x damage modifier.
@105 Weapon Power, you're looking at a 2.1x damage modifier.
Etc, etc, etc.
Say you've got a VR Mk XII Array, 9 Weapons Training, 9 Energy Weapons, and 3x Mk XII Specific Consoles...
@125 - 1042.1 DPV
@115 - 958.7 DPV -8%
@105 - 875.4 DPV -16%
@95 - 792.0 DPV -24%
@85 - 708.6 DPV -32%
@75 - 625.3 DPV -40%
It's easier than ever not to lose weapon power because of overcap and thus not lose damage...
...but I haven't seen the following happen at all:
@135 - 1125.5
@145 - 1208.8
@155 - 1292.2
@165 - 1375.6
@175 - 1458.9
@185 - 1542.3
@195 - 1625.7
With ~195 as high as my guys can push it.
Cause then it would be a case of looking at beams doing over 8k crits rather than 4-5k crits.
I haven't done them...I haven't taken them.
There's a big difference between fighting off the loss of DPS with overcap and increasing DPS with overcap.
If there's some interaction that's causing the overcap to function as an increase rather than fighting the decrease...then by all means...share.
Geko said it. People laughed at him.
Those AtB DEM FAW APB/APD builds require quite a few things to do that.
But ya. 30k dps, no joking there at all. Someone posted a video with the after parse of 45k. Beams are just ridiculous, it's just not many people choose to pilot them properly.
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
Long Live FAW! Snix!!!
2) Scramble sensors/AMS
3) Fleet shields adapt + EptS
An anything else thats give u passive shield resistence (sci fleet, transfer shield strengt, extended shield doff, etc). Passive resistances to shields and cross healing is the way to stop faw crusiers.
Is funny how people find out now about faw crusiers with aux2bat, i been running mine in pvp for over 6 months
p.d: overcap dosn't add DPS to the weapons. It work like virus said.
Vin Naftero@playhard88 - FED Sciencie
K'tan@playhard88 - KDF Tactical
Argento@playhard88 - RRF Tactical (FED)
LOL... Well that is a nice thought but when Scramble is making you shoot your friends, Singularity Jump is making me untargetable, and my Scimitar is making you disappear so fast you think the game is broken don't come crying to me.
But seriously, I would love to see more of these builds. They are incredibly easy to overcome in PvP. Not sure I want to see them in PvE all that much but I guess every good KVE does need probe guards.
Easy as hell to beat, unless there are several of them lumped together, hence the name I use for the build.
But yeah, 1v1 they are easy pickings, since pressure damage rarely wins a competent fight.
However an engineer running a setup like that is also almost impossible to kill.
And for the record, 30k DPS as an AOE is just damage padding (you are not doing 30k DPS to any one person, maybe 4-5 k to each member of the team, which is nothing compared to an escort alpha). Measure DPS by single target for PvP or youre just failing it.
Its one of my main gripes with these elitist 11k+ damage build people. I respect what they can do, but really its all AOE/COE padding, and the build is extremely misleading since those parses only happen in PvE vs a ton of bare hulls standing still. (especially since a lot of the time, that aoe damage is just being regenerated on a target being healed, gateway before trans are down, etc). The same principle applies to PvP. Even if youre doing 5k DPS to me, and my team is healing for more than that, the net result = 0.
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I may be wrong though as i dont parse but only look at power levels.
On the other hand the omega amplifier proc is doing most of the job for me (+10 current power and massive drain resistance).
There is no way you can beat a decent aux2batt faw build 1v1, you can only stall him as a tank/healer or run away.
Bull. as long as I dont kill myself like a noob (if they are running FBP), ive spiked down many a cruiser in my fleet advanced, and it has the heal ability to survive the lolbfaw.
When you say decent, I am sure you are referring to that "one guy" who happens to be the best of the best at this, and not your average PvP beamboat.
Like I said in previous posts, unless its an engineer cappy (stalemate) or I am being a baddie (derping on feedback pulse), that cruiser is almost always dead when all is said and done, even if it takes while.
That only applies to one on one, if there are 2 or more (especially well built ones), I cant survive that, especially if they are crosshealing each other.
Seriously, the only beamboat I shouldnt be able to punch through and spike out is one chaining RSP/FBP/and Grace under Fire miracle workers nonstop.
Take any one of those elements out, and I will have an opportunity at one point or another.
Fleet Admiral Rylana - Fed Tac - U.S.S Wild Card - Tactical Miracle Worker Cruiser
Lifetime Subscriber since 2012 == 17,200 Accolades = RIP PvP and Vice Squad
Chief of Starfleet Intelligence Service == Praise Cheesus
-sighs-
Do you even Science Bro?
Only if it's not in a console that provides Cryptic a revenue stream.
Will the build go Bfaw + BtsX or possibly Bfaw + BO?
R.I.P
So much this. I'm frankly amazed seeing certain fleet signatures around, known for their pvp elitism, now surprised by a2b faw cruisers... This is what is actually refreshing :rolleyes:
FAW's got a 10s duration for the 15s triggered CD...there's already a 5s gap.
Yes, yes it is. I'm surprised a dev hasn't stepped in and called it out by now like they did with doff stacking which was also part of the game for years before it got fixed. They are probably too busy fixnerfing (no that wasn't a typo) gravity wells and ramping up season 8 to notice and will forget once season 8 bugs are added to the game.
/rant off
Is it that you can overcap weapon power to fight off drain?
Is it the EPS things - which when Geko said you could do that - people laughed at him?
Cause otherwise, I'm not seeing it.
in my opinion it's quite that. beams make ridicoulous damage in that fashion. specialze the build and.... i saw it myself made by people i had been teamed up with. also tried it out a few rounds on a galaxy without aux2batt. it's was unbelievable and felt very dirty and broken to me.
edit for anyone who comes with "pics, didn't happen... etc.":
u can have it live in almost any match today
u should check the definition of exploit
Vin Naftero@playhard88 - FED Sciencie
K'tan@playhard88 - KDF Tactical
Argento@playhard88 - RRF Tactical (FED)
So that a beam user needs 195 or more Weapon Power (overcapped) to do less damage than a cannon user with 135 Weapon Power (overcapped)...is an exploit?
Rant finished
Now that's not to say that some game mechanics don't need to be changed, or that some things don't need to be nerfed, but calling it an exploit just makes you look like a crybaby.
Then will the proposed changes stretch that firther by 10sec?
R.I.P
Nope it will remain unchanged as I understand it
It's like how I whine and complain, I believe.
X is fine. Y is fine. Z is fine.
It's the ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP that's been added that's caused problems for XYZ...not XYZ themselves.
Unfortunately, Cryptic has a tendency to ignore the ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP and nerf the XYZ.
Keep in mind, the XYZ was free...ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP generates revenue for them in some manner.
simple difference:
there had been enough players been able to counter/survive doubletaps (i ran it myself btw. totally different thing). meatgrinding on the other hand only let's the option to run...
galaxies(!!!) outdamaging any escort on a map 3:1.... in an arena match f.e. easily up to 1,8m damage.
...GALAXIES...
i'd say at least this indicates something smells broken ^^...
How many Escorts shoot at every pet and torp/mine on the map to inflate their damage? How much of that damage being done is easily healed even with passive healing or general EPtS spam?
It's very easy to inflate damage for the scoreboard. Kind of like it's extremely easy to inflate healing. That scoreboard's kind of a waste - too easily gamed.
yeah, ur right on the scoreboard. but in those matches there not had been much spam (i ran that setup in about 3 matches). i ran a not specialized galaxy without aux2batt and hunted escorts. without any other targets in range faw can be quite effective as well
u see how the hulls melt.
also i fought some teams with that setup. if 2 doing it already is quite dangerous. 3 becomes ridicoulus and 5 are just insane.