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johankreig
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Ok so what are peoples opinions on this new ship, I got them yesterday to give me an alternative to my Adapted destroyer, at first I was a bit disapointed, they seemed a bit squishy, I tested in private pvp and found its fairly useless in the set up i have, however it shines in PVE, i re armed it for a cannon loadout and wow, its still squishy, and will melt under fire, but my AD is the same, the addition of the battle cloak and singluarity more than makes up for this, after a bit of testing and getting used to it, I find its an excelent escort, does some serious damage with the 2 set and the quads are just as daft as the others, the final fun peice it has is the Death Ray, similar to the Garumba, Klingon Bus, and Fed Dred, it has a powefull energy beam attack that if used right can shred a target.
Over all i am loving this ship, tho forgot to put my valdore console on it so will be changing that later and see if that helps its performance, I am interested in seeing what others are thinking to this ship.
Over all i am loving this ship, tho forgot to put my valdore console on it so will be changing that later and see if that helps its performance, I am interested in seeing what others are thinking to this ship.
Jorhana Kreig: KDF, Tal'is: Romulan Fed, Shona'a: Romulan KDF, Johan Paul Kreig: Fed
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as i wrote in 2 other posts already, the ship lacks a fifth tac console OR 5 forward weapons to set it appart from the 3 (or 4) other tactical warbirds (escort like romulan ships)
I have two questions...one is which ship exactly do you refer to as the klingon *bus*? I only recall the guramba having a beam of death. Second is if you have access to the Reman skins with the ship?
I been trying to find out if the ship has them since it didn't on tribble but haven't gotten any answer so far.
The phaser and disruptor variants have always worked quite well for me. Will be trying the plasmas when I buy my Ar'kiff later today. Then again, I don't now and never will PvP so maybe that accounts for the general attitude towards them.
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
--Red Annorax
--Red Annorax
Lower inertia rating SHOULD be faster, with responsiveness decreasing as the rating rises,...
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
I like the ship a lot on my Sci VA since I can get a bit more firepower out of it when I need it with Annihilation mode while still keeping LtC and Lt. Sci slots for CC.
This is mostly eSTF's though, I haven't flown it in pvp yet.
All sarcasm aside. really another Roumlain TAC ship. OK a so called " class" of boats that seams to be a bit TAC heavy to begin with ( how many little green crumpley fireworks shows have we had seen May of this year, be honest). War birds are either honky large monsters that won't hold together unless you really know what you are doing , or little itty-bittie target practice pop boats that are one torpedo hit away form a quick light show. Another boat with this same layout dose not help things. In the last day i have seen a few show up in the game . I have to say "no i won't buy it i have bought enough". The ones that were offered from the start were ones that either made sense story wise, or were ones that i wanted to use that were in the game from the get-go as NPC\S. What is offed with them dose not sweeten the sale neither. Some silly quad plasma cannons . No , i have tons of quad phase and disruptor tweet tweet cannons taking up space on ships that i don't use or in bank slots. I don't have need for any need for any more.They are just quads of a different flavor , and for dam sure not plasma.
My analysis of said ship:
Relatively solid overall, with a good console layout and good base stats. There isn't really anything that makes the ship stand out, even with the gimmick console and the quad cannons. Her hull, turn and shields are equivalent to the Federation Patrol Escort/KDF Qin Heavy Raptor. Her inertia is fine, giving her quite good kicks when she needs it. She also has the Romulan BC which gives her great ambush potential, like most Romulan Warbirds. Appearance-wise, she's beautiful, like most of the new Romulan ships, and with the Reman skin, she's downright sexy.
As for her weapon layout, it's typical escort, so nothing new or amazing there. Her BOff layout is where things get a little wonky though. She only has an Ens Engineering BOff slot, which almost forces you to put your LtCmdr Universal to Engineering, just for survivability, OR put it to Sci and try to survive off of the weaker (but still very effective overall) HoTs.
Her combat capability is middle of the road. Not horribly impressive, but not really lacking. Her Tactical Slots, weapon layout, and BOff layout give her a playstyle (at least tactically) like most escorts, but you need to be careful what you put in the LtCmdr Universal.
My final assessment:
6/10. An aesthetically pleasing, balanced ship overall, but some glaring weaknesses that eclipse her strengths.
As Baudl said, there is no reason to switch to this ship from any of the other plethora of tactically heavy vessels. If I had this ship or my Ha'feh (freebie)/Mogai/Scimitar, I would stick with the Ha'feh/Mogai/Scimitar. There is no incentive really to use this.
As for the Cmdr version? Gold. Solid gold. A great alternative to the D'deridex, with a wonderful BOff and console layout, and great stats as well.
You need to buy the Ar'Kala for the quad cannons.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Ar%27Kala_Tactical_Warbird
This ship LOOKS good on pure appearance and seems to be what we had wished the D'Deridex was from the onset.
As far as the performance though... It has a lot of Competition that outshines it. The Valor, especially the Fleet one, the Fleet Dhelan, the Fleet T'Varo, and the Vet ship all are superior to this ship.
Losing subsystem power is harsh on Romulans so if you want to use Annihilator mode you are really weakening your already flimsy tank. Taking away your Singularity Powers to use the beam further aggravates this problem and in PvP the chances of keeping a target in line with that beam are slim to none. In PvE the beam is decent but it is not going to be enough to really make the ship better than the others listed.
Quad Cannons are also a big problem because they suck down too much energy and destroy your engine power which ultimate slows you down and makes you turn worse which is extremely unwanted on this ship.
So basically... It looks beautiful and has a decent layout but its tricks are not that great and if you do not want those then there are a lot of other options which are blatantly superior.
But then I don't find the Mogai or Dhelan attractive at all, so have just been usind the Fleet T'varo. I also picked up the scimitar 3-pack which I am still coming to terms with.
This new ship I find very appealing as an alternate to my T'varo.
Next to the D'D which is beautiful but unplayable, and the T'varo which is the perfect little Romulan hot rod, I think this new ship is the most visually appealing. Same console choices as the Advanced Escort is fine with me.
My only complaint at all is that if she is the tactical Warbird, what does that make l the other?
I would have perfered something more along the lines of Klingon battle Cruiser with a Romulan twist.
But perhaps at some point we will get a Romulan companion to the Kamarang, as a science battle cruiser would be sufficiently Romulan.
At any rate I am sure I will enjoy her.
Which one are we talking about? Better than the T4 with the quad cannon? Or better than the T5 Retrofit?
I bought one yesterday, because its a beauty, and I had the zen sitting there that I'd bought on sale. I don't care that it doesn't pwn in PvP. Not all of us give a fig about PvP.
--Red Annorax
I'm also waiting to see what the Fleet version looks like too. I can see this ship being used as a sciscort, but the T'Varo does that better. The Lt.Commdr universal slot only seems to work for eng or sci boffs. The mogai can support a aux2batt build pretty comfortably. On the other hand, the Ar'kala looks better than the mogai
The Retrofit Ar'kiff has the same basic stats as the Dhelan Retrofit in strength and such, and no one TRIBBLE about it much either, so,... I think some people just like to complain.
The exception to the above is of course turn/inertia rates, and Boff layout which is expected.
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
You want traditional high Cmdr / LtCdr TAC stations? Regular Ha'feh is superior
You want a destroyer with Cmdr TAC & LtCdr ENG stations? The c-store Mogai is superior.
You want a ESC-SCI? The c-store Dhelan is superior.
This new ship is outclassed already by existing warbirds. Your performance will drop even more when you stuff the Plasma Quad Cannons.
Quad Cannons, all types, not only drop weapon energy, but engine energy also. That alone is a dealbreaker for me. Also, Quad Cannons also have [dmg]x4 mods. The absolute worst mods you can have on any weapon possible, x4. If you want "pew" with cannons and can swing narrow arc weapons around easily, DHCs are still superior. And DHCs will not nerf your ENG power while firing.
I swear there is a bug that allows the hull to take major hits and melt away even with full shields.
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Probably a simple case of the player not using the LtCdr Universal station on ENG. EPTS gone, go bye bye when under fire in an STF.
Plus, it has no fleet version, because apparently copypasting a fleet version was too much work. Between the Dhelan and the Mogwai, you can easily get a better ship in fleet-level flavor.
I am talking about the lvl 50 ship using both the Quads and its console. So basically using the full set on the end level ship.
Also I am not talking about just PvP. It also does not really shine in PvE by comparison to most of its realistic competition. (Not even getting into the Scimitar here...)
However, it is not "Bad" it just is not particularly "Good". Meaning that if you want the best ship that is reasonably affordable then this is not really it. If you already have the other ships then this still loses. If you are fine with it being a bit less than stellar but still functional and truly love the looks (which are beautiful) then it is fine.
It only suffers from Tank and Output issues when using its Quads and Console especially when compared to the Fleet T'Varo (Come on... They are one of the easiest to get), Fleet Dhelan (Nearly the same ease), and even the Vet Ship (Hard to get or easy depending).
1) Low Shield power = Low Resistance
2) There is, discharge your shuttlecraft. If you don't you can sometimes end up taking damage to the shuttle's hull somehow and that really screws up your tank.
And even then as most have already pointed out, they don't even offer anything new over T'Varos, Dhelans and Mogais!