I am talking about the lvl 50 ship using both the Quads and its console. So basically using the full set on the end level ship.
Also I am not talking about just PvP. It also does not really shine in PvE by comparison to most of its realistic competition. (Not even getting into the Scimitar here...)
However, it is not "Bad" it just is not particularly "Good". Meaning that if you want the best ship that is reasonably affordable then this is not really it. If you already have the other ships then this still loses. If you are fine with it being a bit less than stellar but still functional and truly love the looks (which are beautiful) then it is fine.
It only suffers from Tank and Output issues when using its Quads and Console especially when compared to the Fleet T'Varo (Come on... They are one of the easiest to get), Fleet Dhelan (Nearly the same ease), and even the Vet Ship (Hard to get or easy depending).
1) Low Shield power = Low Resistance
2) There is, discharge your shuttlecraft. If you don't you can sometimes end up taking damage to the shuttle's hull somehow and that really screws up your tank.
Well how about this ... ever heard of what fits your play style and make it works.. not every one is going to like what you like . So in that saying you may have your opinion on it.
I am going to buy the ship it can cloak use it to your advantage hit fast and be gone.. So yeah its good ship you cant compare this ship with other ships because it Depends on play style, if you don't like it its ok don't buy it I am sure others who like it and make it work and also you can put really good gear in there make it awesome ship and traits ...Then again its not about the ship it self its about the person who flying the ship.. Then again from my experience its not about the ship if a person know how to use it he can be deadly in pvp .I have meet a lot of good pvp people in different ships So I stop being what you said comparing ships... Why because don't make sense because there always some one out there who knows how to play and win.
Frankly, these ships were not needed. Congrats Cryptic for coming out with these 'tactical'ships in the faction that is already stuffed with 'tactical' ships. Could have been a great opportunity to throw some slightly more engineering/science orientated ships into the mix but you stuck to type since this is a DPS game nowadays.
And even then as most have already pointed out, they don't even offer anything new over T'Varos, Dhelans and Mogais!
I would agree if I was not after that game play... rofl I play what ship I want I pick what ship I fly I play how I want its my game.. so if I get the ship any body can say what they want its all about having fun . If I want to fly a little hotdog ship and have people chase me then I will fly that.
The boff setup isn't great, but it's not terrible. I'd say it's good though, a choice between aux-based heals or not. (comedy option: put a tac in there and be a glass cannon)
Everything else though is more or less solid. IMO
Hopefully the Fleet version brings more to the table
In my opinion, the ships would have been fine if they kept it to a T4 version for the Quads.
The T5 is completely unnecessary as we already have ships that do better. Hell, its is just a straight copy of the Mogai bar one ensign boff seat and a lot less hull....
I hadn't bought it yet. However I will consider it in the future. Since I have some other warbirds to buy 1st. I won't get the 1500 one just to get the skin and Quads. I can't justify buying that option again. Like I did on my Defiant Retrofit. However I will get the other version so I can use it at Lv50. I like the look, as its more sleeker than the Ha'feh I'm currently using. And it has a kinda D'deridex look as well.
I don't have a problem using Quads, as I use them on my Defiant Retrofit. And they do well with what I do. Granted it don't have the power as the DHCs, but the visuals and sound is very nice. Some commented on them sucking the power off engines. I used my Defiant over the weekend. Even at rapid fire kicked in. I never saw much engine power loss to cause problems. Course I only do rapid fire when I'm after a big target to wear out the shields. And my approach is slower than usual. Only reason I got the Quads cause it wouldn't be a Defiant class without them.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Frankly, these ships were not needed. Congrats Cryptic for coming out with these 'tactical'ships in the faction that is already stuffed with 'tactical' ships. Could have been a great opportunity to throw some slightly more engineering/science orientated ships into the mix but you stuck to type since this is a DPS game nowadays.
And even then as most have already pointed out, they don't even offer anything new over T'Varos, Dhelans and Mogais!
Apparently they were needed since so many people wanted to have a Tac option for Captain level...you knew they were bound to make a retrofit along with the Cmdr version...and this way now every faction has their identifying damage quad cannons.
So they killed two birds with one stone...filled in a lot of things people wanted.
Apparently they were needed since so many people wanted to have a Tac option for Captain level...you knew they were bound to make a retrofit along with the Cmdr version...and this way now every faction has their identifying damage quad cannons.
So they killed two birds with one stone...filled in a lot of things people wanted.
Not really. The Romulans aren't their own faction. They already had access to Quad Cannons via the Fed or KDF side of the game.
Not really. The Romulans aren't their own faction. They already had access to Quad Cannons via the Fed or KDF side of the game.
Some of us choose not to use ships of alien manufacture. We remember those cursed klivam vessels all too well - rumor has it that they award shipbuilding contracts to the lowest bidder, and it was quite obvious.
"You Iconians just hung a vacancy sign on your asses and my foot's looking for a room!"
--Red Annorax
Frankly, these ships were not needed. Congrats Cryptic for coming out with these 'tactical'ships in the faction that is already stuffed with 'tactical' ships. Could have been a great opportunity to throw some slightly more engineering/science orientated ships into the mix but you stuck to type since this is a DPS game nowadays.
And even then as most have already pointed out, they don't even offer anything new over T'Varos, Dhelans and Mogais!
Well they did need to get out the Plasma Quad Cannons from somewhere. Everyone was asking for them. However, Quads on Romulan Ships are a bit rougher than they are on normal ships were they are still hard to justify most of the time.
Well how about this ... ever heard of what fits your play style and make it works.. not every one is going to like what you like . So in that saying you may have your opinion on it. You cant compare this ship with other ships because it Depends on play style, if you don't like it its ok don't buy it I am sure others who like it and make it work and also you can put really good gear in there make it awesome ship and traits ...Then again its not about the ship it self its about the person who flying the ship.. Then again from my experience its not about the ship if a person know how to use it he can be deadly in pvp .I have meet a lot of good pvp people in different ships So I stop being what you said comparing ships... Why because don't make sense because there always some one out there who knows how to play and win.
I agree with you and also disagree with you.
What I agree is that if you cannot handle a ship and what it can do then even if it is awesome it does not matter. The Scimitar is a prime example. To someone who get get every last drop of Over Powered Greatness from that ship it blows EVERYTHING else out space. However, it takes a very particular set of captaining skills to do that and if you do not have them then it will NOT come across feeling very powerful at all to you. You might do a lot better in something like a Cruiser if that is your thing.
HOWEVER, I disagree with the idea that there is no way to compare ships. When you make ship comparisons you must assume that the Captain in question can handle the ship and use it to its fullest. With that assumption made then you can look at what each ship can do in terms of turn rate, shield modifier, hull strength, weapon slots, console slots, BOFF seating, power levels, and all special powers and determine which ships are better than which others and there are clear and definitive measures to back this up.
This ship does NOT measure up well to what we already have access to. In terms of its stats and actual capabilities it is not that great. That means if you take someone who can Captain her perfectly and pit her against a Fleet Dhelan with a similarly competent Captain then the Fleet Dhelan would win every time hands down due to its superior stats and performance. This same sort of analysis applies to EVERYTHING in life but you MUST remove the randomness of the human element when trying to make any comparison otherwise there are far too many confounding factors.
Also: I am not saying you cannot fly this thing. It is not going to go away. I really do not care rather you prefer it or not. The question was asked what our opinion of this Warbird was. I gave mine and since have backed it up with a bit more details and facts. However, the more I back it up the less of an opinion it becomes and the more of an objective statement we are reaching. All I care to do is in this case is inform others how it stacks up compared to its competition so that those who are considering buying it are armed with a few more facts with which to make their final decision.
Can anyone tell me what kind of exterior customization options the tactical escorts (both the t3 and t5 versions) have?
I've noticed that a lot of the romulan ships, like KDF ships, have very few options when it comes to customizing the outward appearance of your ship. Romulans at least get a lot of skin textures and window types, but do these tactical escorts give you the option to pick from different wing/hull/nacell/saucer types?
Apparently they were needed since so many people wanted to have a Tac option for Captain level...you knew they were bound to make a retrofit along with the Cmdr version...and this way now every faction has their identifying damage quad cannons.
So they killed two birds with one stone...filled in a lot of things people wanted.
I agree, this is one of the reasons why they made one. The Federation and KDF gets a ship like this. The Romulans didn't have one. And now they do. Plus there was a ton of bickering over the ship choice at that level. I used the Romulan ship anyways. Since I wanted to stay with my "faction". I didn't have issues with it. And I'm a Tac captain. So yes they did the right thing bringing this out.
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man did i not expect this much hate for this ship, I sometimes feel I am the only one on STO that has no issues with any of the new ships, Scimi was fine from day one so is ths ship.
Jorhana Kreig: KDF, Tal'is: Romulan Fed, Shona'a: Romulan KDF, Johan Paul Kreig: Fed
Well they did need to get out the Plasma Quad Cannons from somewhere. Everyone was asking for them. However, Quads on Romulan Ships are a bit rougher than they are on normal ships were they are still hard to justify most of the time.
I agree with you and also disagree with you.
What I agree is that if you cannot handle a ship and what it can do then even if it is awesome it does not matter. The Scimitar is a prime example. To someone who get get every last drop of Over Powered Greatness from that ship it blows EVERYTHING else out space. However, it takes a very particular set of captaining skills to do that and if you do not have them then it will NOT come across feeling very powerful at all to you. You might do a lot better in something like a Cruiser if that is your thing.
HOWEVER, I disagree with the idea that there is no way to compare ships. When you make ship comparisons you must assume that the Captain in question can handle the ship and use it to its fullest. With that assumption made then you can look at what each ship can do in terms of turn rate, shield modifier, hull strength, weapon slots, console slots, BOFF seating, power levels, and all special powers and determine which ships are better than which others and there are clear and definitive measures to back this up.
This ship does NOT measure up well to what we already have access to. In terms of its stats and actual capabilities it is not that great. That means if you take someone who can Captain her perfectly and pit her against a Fleet Dhelan with a similarly competent Captain then the Fleet Dhelan would win every time hands down due to its superior stats and performance. This same sort of analysis applies to EVERYTHING in life but you MUST remove the randomness of the human element when trying to make any comparison otherwise there are far too many confounding factors.
Also: I am not saying you cannot fly this thing. It is not going to go away. I really do not care rather you prefer it or not. The question was asked what our opinion of this Warbird was. I gave mine and since have backed it up with a bit more details and facts. However, the more I back it up the less of an opinion it becomes and the more of an objective statement we are reaching. All I care to do is in this case is inform others how it stacks up compared to its competition so that those who are considering buying it are armed with a few more facts with which to make their final decision.
.. i dont have fleet ships and i kill them every time... So your saying i need fleet ships because of sts .. well from what i seen i seen alot of pvp people use non fleet ships and still win... O_o... i dont understand that this game is about skill not about ships you can fly what you want and make good ship... its meant to be like fast and hit ship can hit pretty hard depending on the person and his play style and it can cloak so you an ambush people and do lots of tricks and hit hard... i am sorry but i dont agree on comparing ships. if you say thats tru might as well have every one fly fleet ships and not fly The scimatar or any other ship out there.. My scimatar is a good ship its not fleet but its geared right and i still pose a challenge O_o... So in other words i am not done gearing it yet but when i am done it will be dealdy..if you have this ship geared out right and make it work you can do well.. Hey all my family is in the marines you know what they say make it work dont complain.. simple fact...So yeah if you dont belive this then you have not meet good pvp people in good ships that are in not fleet ships like the C store ships.. or locked box ships or any other ship i seen.. A ship a a ship the captain makes good ship :O..... My scaimatar is not a weak. fleet ships can pop like any other ship its about skill . I hate to burst your bubble but from what i have seen its not true i dont even have one fleet ship at all in my hanger not one and i do fine ..That is why i dont use fleet ships because every one forces them on you telling you must use fleet must have to or you suck in pvp.. well i got news for you i dont use em and i do fine .. with proper gear seatings and everthing.. so i dont have to fly fleet because its the best... No pvp is about team work and how well you work with you team dont matter what ship your in if you know hwo to use it and you use it to your advantage you can win... I used to pvp way back when the game started so i dont want you to tell me fleet ships are the way to go. So yeah we all have different thought on ships there will be no facts or trying to persade people about your truth because if there was we all wont be havign wars and we all wont be fighting over stupif stuff ... Fleet ships are good but.. what i am saying is since they turned this into pay to win or grind to win fleet ships .. how ever you called it because it forces you to join fleet and get a ship. wow .. thats just plain dumb..I only have ships that are not fleet and i play fine in them why do i need fleet ship O_O.. i pvp in my scimatar its not fleet standerd but i do fine..... i bet if i figure out this ship i will pvp in it well to .. Then again i have a friend who knows how to pvp well in light fast ships and do some amazing stuff with em... so yeah just let people have fun and thats that...
man did i not expect this much hate for this ship, I sometimes feel I am the only one on STO that has no issues with any of the new ships, Scimi was fine from day one so is ths ship.
yep sadly thats what it is haha its like buying new pair of sneakers and .. you get sick of em and hate em and then you buy new ones because the old ones got riped up haha....Thats just the way it is people dont know how to think when they see something new .. its the same as everything else they all belive what the hear instead of trying let people play what they want ..Sad world ><
For what I use it for (the 30-40 levelling run) I'm finding it a joy to use. Was dreading having to try and do that stretch in a Big Double-D (and hoping I can come up with some way to avoid it for my eng captain. Yes, I rather dislike the looks/TRIBBLE turning of the D'Deridex, having had bad memories of my galaxy.)
I'm sure there are better options at T5 than the refits, but for where I am now, it's a pretty ship that does what I want it to. I can't say fairer than that.
.. i dont have fleet ships and i kill them every time... So your saying i need fleet ships because of sts .. well from what i seen i seen alot of pvp people use non fleet ships and still win... O_o... i dont understand that this game is about skill not about ships you can fly what you want and make good ship... its meant to be like fast and hit ship can hit pretty hard depending on the person and his play style and it can cloak so you an ambush people and do lots of tricks and hit hard... i am sorry but i dont agree on comparing ships. if you say thats tru might as well have every one fly fleet ships and not fly The scimatar or any other ship out there.. My scimatar is a good ship its not fleet but its geared right and i still pose a challenge O_o... So in other words i am not done gearing it yet but when i am done it will be dealdy..if you have this ship geared out right and make it work you can do well.. Hey all my family is in the marines you know what they say make it work dont complain.. simple fact...So yeah if you dont belive this then you have not meet good pvp people in good ships that are in not fleet ships like the C store ships.. or locked box ships or any other ship i seen.. A ship a a ship the captain makes good ship :O..... My scaimatar is not a weak. fleet ships can pop like any other ship its about skill . I hate to burst your bubble but from what i have seen its not true i dont even have one fleet ship at all in my hanger not one and i do fine ..That is why i dont use fleet ships because every one forces them on you telling you must use fleet must have to or you suck in pvp.. well i got news for you i dont use em and i do fine .. with proper gear seatings and everthing.. so i dont have to fly fleet because its the best... No pvp is about team work and how well you work with you team dont matter what ship your in if you know hwo to use it and you use it to your advantage you can win... I used to pvp way back when the game started so i dont want you to tell me fleet ships are the way to go. So yeah we all have different thought on ships there will be no facts or trying to persade people about your truth because if there was we all wont be havign wars and we all wont be fighting over stupif stuff ... Fleet ships are good but.. what i am saying is since they turned this into pay to win or grind to win fleet ships .. how ever you called it because it forces you to join fleet and get a ship. wow .. thats just plain dumb..I only have ships that are not fleet and i play fine in them why do i need fleet ship O_O.. i pvp in my scimatar its not fleet standerd but i do fine..... i bet if i figure out this ship i will pvp in it well to .. Then again i have a friend who knows how to pvp well in light fast ships and do some amazing stuff with em... so yeah just let people have fun and thats that...
This response tells me that I have somehow failed to communicate effectively with you because you seem to have gotten the wrong message. That is regrettable and I will attempt now to figure out a way to properly communicate my actual point so that hopefully it is more clearly understood.
First, I would never speak ill of the Scimitar, it is the most powerful ship in the game currently without question. However, like you have quite correctly pointed out, if the person who is flying the Scimitar is not comfortable with flying it and does not really have a feel for how to use it and set it up correctly then they will not find it a good ship because their inability to cope with the ship will cause it to fail for them consistently. That is to say that Captain skill and comfort with any given ship is far more important than the ship itself in most cases.
Secondly, I did not really suggest that you MUST fly Fleet ships or that I even believe all fleet ships are the best and indeed most Lock Box ships are not that great from what I have seen.
Lastly, what I AM saying is this:
Ship A has 5 Forward Weapons, 3 Rear Weapons, 5 Tactical Consoles and 5 Engineering Consoles. It has a Turn Rate of 17. It has 45,000 Hull and 10,000 Shields per Facing with a Standard Shield. It also has a Tactical Heavy BOFF layout with two of Lt. Universals that can be used for anything.
Ship B has 4 Forward Weapons, 3 Rear Weapons, 4 Tactical Consoles, 3 Science Consoles, and 2 Engineering Consoles. It has a Turn Rate of 14. It has 40,000 Hull and 8,000 Shields per Facing with a Standard Shield. It also has a Tactical Heavy BOFF layout with no Universal Seats and only a Lt. Engineering Seat for Engineering skills.
Now if you have both ships set up as best as you can get them so that they deal optimal damage and tank as fully as they can and both ships are Captained by very competent Captains who are comfortable with their ship and the ships tactics then Ship A is going to win every time. Why is Ship A going to win? Because it has the better stats, it has more firepower, better console layout, better BOFF layout, more Hull and Shields, and it turns faster than Ship B. There is no way Ship B is going to outperform Ship A if both their Captains are of equal skill levels. The only way Ship B can defeat Ship A is if the Captain of Ship B is more skilled and more comfortable with their ship than the Captain of Ship A is.
With that said: Ships CAN be compared to one another the moment you remove human error and skill levels.
Some of us choose not to use ships of alien manufacture. We remember those cursed klivam vessels all too well - rumor has it that they award shipbuilding contracts to the lowest bidder, and it was quite obvious.
Funny, I don't recall the Phaser / Disruptor Quad Cannons forcing you to use a Fed or KDF ship even when playing with your Romulans. Please correct me if I'm wrong :rolleyes:
Can anyone tell me what kind of exterior customization options the tactical escorts (both the t3 and t5 versions) have?
I've noticed that a lot of the romulan ships, like KDF ships, have very few options when it comes to customizing the outward appearance of your ship. Romulans at least get a lot of skin textures and window types, but do these tactical escorts give you the option to pick from different wing/hull/nacell/saucer types?
Not really. The Romulans aren't their own faction. They already had access to Quad Cannons via the Fed or KDF side of the game.
Not everyone wants to use disruptors and I imagine less want to use phasers, some people want to stick with plasma which is the official damage type of the RR. Ignoring the quads for a sec a lot of people have complained about having to fly the DD for ten levels...I didn't care and I flew the DD but you have to be blind not to notice the complaints from people.
This response tells me that I have somehow failed to communicate effectively with you because you seem to have gotten the wrong message. That is regrettable and I will attempt now to figure out a way to properly communicate my actual point so that hopefully it is more clearly understood.
First, I would never speak ill of the Scimitar, it is the most powerful ship in the game currently without question. However, like you have quite correctly pointed out, if the person who is flying the Scimitar is not comfortable with flying it and does not really have a feel for how to use it and set it up correctly then they will not find it a good ship because their inability to cope with the ship will cause it to fail for them consistently. That is to say that Captain skill and comfort with any given ship is far more important than the ship itself in most cases.
Secondly, I did not really suggest that you MUST fly Fleet ships or that I even believe all fleet ships are the best and indeed most Lock Box ships are not that great from what I have seen.
Lastly, what I AM saying is this:
Ship A has 5 Forward Weapons, 3 Rear Weapons, 5 Tactical Consoles and 5 Engineering Consoles. It has a Turn Rate of 17. It has 45,000 Hull and 10,000 Shields per Facing with a Standard Shield. It also has a Tactical Heavy BOFF layout with two of Lt. Universals that can be used for anything.
Ship B has 4 Forward Weapons, 3 Rear Weapons, 4 Tactical Consoles, 3 Science Consoles, and 2 Engineering Consoles. It has a Turn Rate of 14. It has 40,000 Hull and 8,000 Shields per Facing with a Standard Shield. It also has a Tactical Heavy BOFF layout with no Universal Seats and only a Lt. Engineering Seat for Engineering skills.
Now if you have both ships set up as best as you can get them so that they deal optimal damage and tank as fully as they can and both ships are Captained by very competent Captains who are comfortable with their ship and the ships tactics then Ship A is going to win every time. Why is Ship A going to win? Because it has the better stats, it has more firepower, better console layout, better BOFF layout, more Hull and Shields, and it turns faster than Ship B. There is no way Ship B is going to outperform Ship A if both their Captains are of equal skill levels. The only way Ship B can defeat Ship A is if the Captain of Ship B is more skilled and more comfortable with their ship than the Captain of Ship A is.
With that said: Ships CAN be compared to one another the moment you remove human error and skill levels.
This is more understanding O_o.. sorry for my lack of intelct .. :O now we can both have coffe and call it a day ... Take care
I am sure we'll see a Fleet version of the Ar'kif sooner or later.
I think that's pretty much assured since it says right on the console useable with Fleet Ar'kif. My guess to why it hasn't been released yet is they're working on a model variation for the fleet ship which wasn't ready for release.
I think that's pretty much assured since it says right on the console useable with Fleet Ar'kif. My guess to why it hasn't been released yet is they're working on a model variation for the fleet ship which wasn't ready for release.
Either that or they're having issues coding in the fleet material. Or they're coming up with an entirely new skin/material for said fleet version. OR they are adjusting it's BOff layout to be not so restrictive (or possibly even more so, who knows).
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
I have both, and I also do fine, I even have an AD, and find the tactical Warbird to be very similar with the Battle cloak and singularity filling the gaps from what the AD gives me.
Jorhana Kreig: KDF, Tal'is: Romulan Fed, Shona'a: Romulan KDF, Johan Paul Kreig: Fed
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Well how about this ... ever heard of what fits your play style and make it works..
I am going to buy the ship it can cloak use it to your advantage hit fast and be gone.. So yeah its good ship you cant compare this ship with other ships because it Depends on play style, if you don't like it its ok don't buy it I am sure others who like it and make it work and also you can put really good gear in there make it awesome ship and traits ...Then again its not about the ship it self its about the person who flying the ship.. Then again from my experience its not about the ship if a person know how to use it he can be deadly in pvp .I have meet a lot of good pvp people in different ships So I stop being what you said comparing ships... Why because don't make sense because there always some one out there who knows how to play and win.
I would agree if I was not after that game play... rofl I play what ship I want I pick what ship I fly I play how I want its my game.. so if I get the ship any body can say what they want its all about having fun
Everything else though is more or less solid. IMO
Hopefully the Fleet version brings more to the table
The T5 is completely unnecessary as we already have ships that do better. Hell, its is just a straight copy of the Mogai bar one ensign boff seat and a lot less hull....
I love the design, but as a ship, meh.
I don't have a problem using Quads, as I use them on my Defiant Retrofit. And they do well with what I do. Granted it don't have the power as the DHCs, but the visuals and sound is very nice. Some commented on them sucking the power off engines. I used my Defiant over the weekend. Even at rapid fire kicked in. I never saw much engine power loss to cause problems. Course I only do rapid fire when I'm after a big target to wear out the shields. And my approach is slower than usual. Only reason I got the Quads cause it wouldn't be a Defiant class without them.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Apparently they were needed since so many people wanted to have a Tac option for Captain level...you knew they were bound to make a retrofit along with the Cmdr version...and this way now every faction has their identifying damage quad cannons.
So they killed two birds with one stone...filled in a lot of things people wanted.
Not really. The Romulans aren't their own faction. They already had access to Quad Cannons via the Fed or KDF side of the game.
--Red Annorax
Well they did need to get out the Plasma Quad Cannons from somewhere. Everyone was asking for them. However, Quads on Romulan Ships are a bit rougher than they are on normal ships were they are still hard to justify most of the time.
I agree with you and also disagree with you.
What I agree is that if you cannot handle a ship and what it can do then even if it is awesome it does not matter. The Scimitar is a prime example. To someone who get get every last drop of Over Powered Greatness from that ship it blows EVERYTHING else out space. However, it takes a very particular set of captaining skills to do that and if you do not have them then it will NOT come across feeling very powerful at all to you. You might do a lot better in something like a Cruiser if that is your thing.
HOWEVER, I disagree with the idea that there is no way to compare ships. When you make ship comparisons you must assume that the Captain in question can handle the ship and use it to its fullest. With that assumption made then you can look at what each ship can do in terms of turn rate, shield modifier, hull strength, weapon slots, console slots, BOFF seating, power levels, and all special powers and determine which ships are better than which others and there are clear and definitive measures to back this up.
This ship does NOT measure up well to what we already have access to. In terms of its stats and actual capabilities it is not that great. That means if you take someone who can Captain her perfectly and pit her against a Fleet Dhelan with a similarly competent Captain then the Fleet Dhelan would win every time hands down due to its superior stats and performance. This same sort of analysis applies to EVERYTHING in life but you MUST remove the randomness of the human element when trying to make any comparison otherwise there are far too many confounding factors.
Also: I am not saying you cannot fly this thing. It is not going to go away. I really do not care rather you prefer it or not. The question was asked what our opinion of this Warbird was. I gave mine and since have backed it up with a bit more details and facts. However, the more I back it up the less of an opinion it becomes and the more of an objective statement we are reaching. All I care to do is in this case is inform others how it stacks up compared to its competition so that those who are considering buying it are armed with a few more facts with which to make their final decision.
I've noticed that a lot of the romulan ships, like KDF ships, have very few options when it comes to customizing the outward appearance of your ship. Romulans at least get a lot of skin textures and window types, but do these tactical escorts give you the option to pick from different wing/hull/nacell/saucer types?
I agree, this is one of the reasons why they made one. The Federation and KDF gets a ship like this. The Romulans didn't have one. And now they do. Plus there was a ton of bickering over the ship choice at that level. I used the Romulan ship anyways. Since I wanted to stay with my "faction". I didn't have issues with it. And I'm a Tac captain. So yes they did the right thing bringing this out.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
.. i dont have fleet ships and i kill them every time... So your saying i need fleet ships because of sts .. well from what i seen i seen alot of pvp people use non fleet ships and still win... O_o... i dont understand that this game is about skill not about ships you can fly what you want and make good ship... its meant to be like fast and hit ship can hit pretty hard depending on the person and his play style and it can cloak so you an ambush people and do lots of tricks and hit hard... i am sorry but i dont agree on comparing ships. if you say thats tru might as well have every one fly fleet ships and not fly The scimatar or any other ship out there.. My scimatar is a good ship its not fleet but its geared right and i still pose a challenge O_o... So in other words i am not done gearing it yet but when i am done it will be dealdy..if you have this ship geared out right and make it work you can do well.. Hey all my family is in the marines you know what they say make it work dont complain.. simple fact...So yeah if you dont belive this then you have not meet good pvp people in good ships that are in not fleet ships like the C store ships.. or locked box ships or any other ship i seen.. A ship a a ship the captain makes good ship :O..... My scaimatar is not a weak. fleet ships can pop like any other ship its about skill . I hate to burst your bubble but from what i have seen its not true i dont even have one fleet ship at all in my hanger not one and i do fine ..That is why i dont use fleet ships because every one forces them on you telling you must use fleet must have to or you suck in pvp.. well i got news for you i dont use em and i do fine .. with proper gear seatings and everthing.. so i dont have to fly fleet because its the best... No pvp is about team work and how well you work with you team dont matter what ship your in if you know hwo to use it and you use it to your advantage you can win... I used to pvp way back when the game started so i dont want you to tell me fleet ships are the way to go. So yeah we all have different thought on ships there will be no facts or trying to persade people about your truth because if there was we all wont be havign wars and we all wont be fighting over stupif stuff ... Fleet ships are good but.. what i am saying is since they turned this into pay to win or grind to win fleet ships .. how ever you called it because it forces you to join fleet and get a ship. wow .. thats just plain dumb..I only have ships that are not fleet and i play fine in them why do i need fleet ship O_O.. i pvp in my scimatar its not fleet standerd but i do fine..... i bet if i figure out this ship i will pvp in it well to .. Then again i have a friend who knows how to pvp well in light fast ships and do some amazing stuff with em... so yeah just let people have fun and thats that...
yep sadly thats what it is haha its like buying new pair of sneakers and .. you get sick of em and hate em and then you buy new ones because the old ones got riped up haha....Thats just the way it is people dont know how to think when they see something new .. its the same as everything else they all belive what the hear instead of trying let people play what they want ..Sad world ><
I'm sure there are better options at T5 than the refits, but for where I am now, it's a pretty ship that does what I want it to. I can't say fairer than that.
This response tells me that I have somehow failed to communicate effectively with you because you seem to have gotten the wrong message. That is regrettable and I will attempt now to figure out a way to properly communicate my actual point so that hopefully it is more clearly understood.
First, I would never speak ill of the Scimitar, it is the most powerful ship in the game currently without question. However, like you have quite correctly pointed out, if the person who is flying the Scimitar is not comfortable with flying it and does not really have a feel for how to use it and set it up correctly then they will not find it a good ship because their inability to cope with the ship will cause it to fail for them consistently. That is to say that Captain skill and comfort with any given ship is far more important than the ship itself in most cases.
Secondly, I did not really suggest that you MUST fly Fleet ships or that I even believe all fleet ships are the best and indeed most Lock Box ships are not that great from what I have seen.
Lastly, what I AM saying is this:
Ship A has 5 Forward Weapons, 3 Rear Weapons, 5 Tactical Consoles and 5 Engineering Consoles. It has a Turn Rate of 17. It has 45,000 Hull and 10,000 Shields per Facing with a Standard Shield. It also has a Tactical Heavy BOFF layout with two of Lt. Universals that can be used for anything.
Ship B has 4 Forward Weapons, 3 Rear Weapons, 4 Tactical Consoles, 3 Science Consoles, and 2 Engineering Consoles. It has a Turn Rate of 14. It has 40,000 Hull and 8,000 Shields per Facing with a Standard Shield. It also has a Tactical Heavy BOFF layout with no Universal Seats and only a Lt. Engineering Seat for Engineering skills.
Now if you have both ships set up as best as you can get them so that they deal optimal damage and tank as fully as they can and both ships are Captained by very competent Captains who are comfortable with their ship and the ships tactics then Ship A is going to win every time. Why is Ship A going to win? Because it has the better stats, it has more firepower, better console layout, better BOFF layout, more Hull and Shields, and it turns faster than Ship B. There is no way Ship B is going to outperform Ship A if both their Captains are of equal skill levels. The only way Ship B can defeat Ship A is if the Captain of Ship B is more skilled and more comfortable with their ship than the Captain of Ship A is.
With that said: Ships CAN be compared to one another the moment you remove human error and skill levels.
Funny, I don't recall the Phaser / Disruptor Quad Cannons forcing you to use a Fed or KDF ship even when playing with your Romulans. Please correct me if I'm wrong :rolleyes:
Welcome to STO outside the Federation!
Not everyone wants to use disruptors and I imagine less want to use phasers, some people want to stick with plasma which is the official damage type of the RR. Ignoring the quads for a sec a lot of people have complained about having to fly the DD for ten levels...I didn't care and I flew the DD but you have to be blind not to notice the complaints from people.
This is more understanding O_o.. sorry for my lack of intelct .. :O now we can both have coffe and call it a day
I think a fairer comparison would be to compare it to other retrofits. I am sure we'll see a Fleet version of the Ar'kif sooner or later.
I think that's pretty much assured since it says right on the console useable with Fleet Ar'kif. My guess to why it hasn't been released yet is they're working on a model variation for the fleet ship which wasn't ready for release.
Either that or they're having issues coding in the fleet material. Or they're coming up with an entirely new skin/material for said fleet version. OR they are adjusting it's BOff layout to be not so restrictive (or possibly even more so, who knows).
Thisis true i dont have a fleet ship
The Scimitar comes with ten console slots. It's already a fleet ship.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
Curious.
Interest levels are rising, , captain.
Ŏ_Ծ Intriguing...I hope it's something I won't need a tier 4 fleet for that would make me a sad Romulan watching from the sidelines.