Just as an FYI for everyone, the Dyson Sphere in Relics was only 2 million kilometers in diameter. Huge, yes, but as stated at Memory Alpha: "or two-thirds of the Earth's orbit around the Sun."
that was a pretty small star then. you'd think it would have to be....or everything inside would be fried.:cool:
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While I agree with you completely, when hints are dropped about something that's 3 months away there's no much else we can do.
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I haven't seen the concept art yet, so my jumps can go anywhere. But from the outside, from some distance, with clear enough vision, it might look curved if it wasn't so dang dark out there. So it gets false colour imaged from infra-red or some other sort of sensor scan. In which case it could look like anything at all. Deserts can look heavily vegetated on false colour satellite images.
The sunny side would curve the other way, but depending on any atmosphere it might be hard to appreciate that curve, other than gradient colour changes around the sun in the middle of the "sky". It is a fun thought experiment, one that Cryptic can hardly get "wrong".
I have not taken a look at it. My two cents are that the scale is irrelevant unless there is direct context (such as your ship being able to fly into the surface). It is like the planets in STO. In the reality of the rendering engine, the planets are tiny objects, only a few orders of magnitude larger than the ships. In reality, planets would be many orders of magnitude larger.
However, if you limit yourself into not going anywhere near low Earth orbit, the scale of the planets are fine because you are seeing it from "far" away.
The same is true for the Dyson sphere. Unless it actually allows you to fly from the inside to the outside or fly close enough to the surface that you are lower than certain surface features there is nothing wrong with the scale. The only limitation is that you are prevented from flying as close to it as you might otherwise be able to do, but given that it is a video game, it is basically just an invisible wall.
Also, from what I remember of the TNG episode, there was nothing wrong with the visuals (other than I think that was the one where the photon torpedo launcher fired phasers). The portal which pulled the Enterprise in looked flat and you could not see any curvature until the Enterprise was well inside or outside the sphere.
From what I understand of a Dysom sphere is it is a construceted sphere that envelopes an earth like star, that would mean it that the inner walls are within the goldilocks zone which earth is in the center. Thats friggin huge! the Enterprise E would be the size of an ant if not smaller inside it.
Whatever Cryptic does with the concept it will be better than what we have because we have a lack of contenet, what is up in the air is the scale being right for the goldilocks zone and our scale of disbelief. even if our ships are 1/5 the size of the sun inside the sphere i would be happy with more content. I just hope it's scaled more realisticaly.
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As long as its something new and challenging but not so challenging that the casual player doesn't end up causing rage like in mine trap than it would be cool for ground or space or both.
I honestly do not see the problem with making the sphere appear curved. All it means is that you cannot bring in your ship close enough to the surface to make it appear flat.
I honestly do not see the problem with making the sphere appear curved. All it means is that you cannot bring in your ship close enough to the surface to make it appear flat.
A sphere around a red dwarf star would be immensely smaller than the one seen in TNG. Mercury would be far outside the habitable zone of many of them.
They also make ideal locations for a Dyson Sphere. They last for tens if not hundreds of billions of years and just slowly fade out rather than expanding or exploding - if you're committing to construct a Dyson Sphere you're in it for the long game - interstellar colonization is a more sustainable short term plan.
They're pretty awful for planets (tidal lock, highly varaible, and prone to massive flares - so their habitable zone doesn't stay put long enough), but a sphere could provide the stability and shelter needed to live so close to one.
The star inside was throwing off massive levels of radiation and coronal mass ejections. Any wildlife would be just as dead as the original inhabitants if they'd stayed, as would anybody looking to take it over. It also has no automated defenses on the exterior (and little need of them on the interior), and even if it did the sphere itself was useless in its condition and there is no reason to risk facing its defenses.
Ive been here for years doe. If Cryptic had a reputation of putting out a product above reproach, people like me wouldnt have anything to nitpick about.
People like you ALWAYS have something to nitpick about.
The star inside was throwing off massive levels of radiation and coronal mass ejections. Any wildlife would be just as dead as the original inhabitants if they'd stayed, as would anybody looking to take it over. It also has no automated defenses on the exterior (and little need of them on the interior), and even if it did the sphere itself was useless in its condition and there is no reason to risk facing its defenses.
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But if I remember the episode correctly, there were trees and lakes on the inside.
And you arent going to see ANYTHING of that volume of space but the ground below your ship and the star in the distance.
This is almost certainly false.
We can see the light from Sol reflect off the Jupiter and Saturn naked eye, and they are many more AUs away for Earth than the opposite wall of Dyson Sphere would be. The TNG Dyson Sphere from Relics was based on a Sol like Star. I thought they said the Season 8 one will around a Red Dwarf, which is a massively smaller star, meaning the habitable zone will be much smaller, meaning the radius of the sphere itself will be much smaller.
The immense size and curvature of the wall would also intensify the amount of light reflected.
I'd have been surprised if it were the one from "Relics", since the lead-in to the next update is the Iconian gateway found on New Romulus, suggesting this new Dyson sphere is probably located near Voth space in the Delta Quadrant. I'd imagine that is how we first get to the sphere, and then later one season 8 launches we'll be using transwarp gateways or something to reach it.
Dyson sphere map would just be a space map with a giant wall on one side. I don't think people are realizing how really unspectacular a map next to a Dyson Sphere really would be. :rolleyes: A sphere w/ a radius of 1 AU would take you ~50 minutes to go around at the speed of light.
No, in fact, we have said it ISN'T the one shown in Relics.
Looking up Memory Alpha I see the books like to throw them around like they are no big deal. I call BS on that. Especially the one Kirk encounters in a book. The one Picard encountered should be the only one that existed. Cryptic, if you are going to make up your own tread VERY carefully with how you explain it. I really dont buy the theory that Sphere tech was easy to come by and all the cool species were building one back in the day. Your sphere needs an architect tie in to the one Picard encountered. If you dont tie it in, then thats just lazy writing. Just because the show writers were lazy, hold yourselves to a higher standard if you want this game to last many more years. You keep up the we dont give an eff style writing, game wont last much longer.
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that was a pretty small star then. you'd think it would have to be....or everything inside would be fried.:cool:
"Im a doctor not a physicist !" - Bones
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The sunny side would curve the other way, but depending on any atmosphere it might be hard to appreciate that curve, other than gradient colour changes around the sun in the middle of the "sky". It is a fun thought experiment, one that Cryptic can hardly get "wrong".
However, if you limit yourself into not going anywhere near low Earth orbit, the scale of the planets are fine because you are seeing it from "far" away.
The same is true for the Dyson sphere. Unless it actually allows you to fly from the inside to the outside or fly close enough to the surface that you are lower than certain surface features there is nothing wrong with the scale. The only limitation is that you are prevented from flying as close to it as you might otherwise be able to do, but given that it is a video game, it is basically just an invisible wall.
Also, from what I remember of the TNG episode, there was nothing wrong with the visuals (other than I think that was the one where the photon torpedo launcher fired phasers). The portal which pulled the Enterprise in looked flat and you could not see any curvature until the Enterprise was well inside or outside the sphere.
Well since it's so far away, can I still say the Dyson Sphere should be far more greebly with much less curves? :P
In it's current iteration, it doesn't look very faithful to the episode.
I actually like Delta Rising.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere
Whatever Cryptic does with the concept it will be better than what we have because we have a lack of contenet, what is up in the air is the scale being right for the goldilocks zone and our scale of disbelief. even if our ships are 1/5 the size of the sun inside the sphere i would be happy with more content. I just hope it's scaled more realisticaly.
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No, in fact, we have said it ISN'T the one shown in Relics.
That's a disappointment I wished of seeing that big sphere where I could of seen for my own eye that door with the tractor beams.
A sphere around a red dwarf star would be immensely smaller than the one seen in TNG. Mercury would be far outside the habitable zone of many of them.
They also make ideal locations for a Dyson Sphere. They last for tens if not hundreds of billions of years and just slowly fade out rather than expanding or exploding - if you're committing to construct a Dyson Sphere you're in it for the long game - interstellar colonization is a more sustainable short term plan.
They're pretty awful for planets (tidal lock, highly varaible, and prone to massive flares - so their habitable zone doesn't stay put long enough), but a sphere could provide the stability and shelter needed to live so close to one.
Then... what... why?
Why would you do that?
Biggest reason? Probably because that one was abandoned and this one needs lots of people to shoot and things to explode.
Automated defense systems! Abandoned wildlife on the inside! Rival baddies trying to take it over!
People like you ALWAYS have something to nitpick about.
ROBOTS THEN!!!!!!!!!!!
But if I remember the episode correctly, there were trees and lakes on the inside.
This is almost certainly false.
We can see the light from Sol reflect off the Jupiter and Saturn naked eye, and they are many more AUs away for Earth than the opposite wall of Dyson Sphere would be. The TNG Dyson Sphere from Relics was based on a Sol like Star. I thought they said the Season 8 one will around a Red Dwarf, which is a massively smaller star, meaning the habitable zone will be much smaller, meaning the radius of the sphere itself will be much smaller.
The immense size and curvature of the wall would also intensify the amount of light reflected.
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but....
did anyone make the "that's no moon, its a space station" reference yet?
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Looking up Memory Alpha I see the books like to throw them around like they are no big deal. I call BS on that. Especially the one Kirk encounters in a book. The one Picard encountered should be the only one that existed. Cryptic, if you are going to make up your own tread VERY carefully with how you explain it. I really dont buy the theory that Sphere tech was easy to come by and all the cool species were building one back in the day. Your sphere needs an architect tie in to the one Picard encountered. If you dont tie it in, then thats just lazy writing. Just because the show writers were lazy, hold yourselves to a higher standard if you want this game to last many more years. You keep up the we dont give an eff style writing, game wont last much longer.
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