Personally, I'd rather not see a playable Borg faction in game, due to the whole premiss of the Borg, being the collective hive mind. If it becomes a playable faction...it would seem to me, to really lose something.
That said, if it was to become playable, I would argue, in contrast, that the Cardassians, and Dominion should be faction 4 & 5, and then start to ponder other further flung factions.
This is a debate (along with other things) that have been discussed way way way in the past. The Borg will not become a playable faction.
Why does it say I am an Ensign on the left of my post I am actually a Rear Admiral on Star Fleet and klingon I am reinstalling the game at the moment maybe that's why
it's an awful idea. any kinda borg faction would just simply weaken and devalue the name of the borg. which is without doubt 1 of star treks greatest foes. a foe that manages to unite all other factions despite their differences to avoid total annihilation. that is rare and should be treated as such.
This, so much this. The Borg has already been neutered enough in the game. A Borg faction would only make it worse. They should be the ultimate foe, one where you TRIBBLE your pants when a Borg Cube appears in the sector. I understand the business reason behind it, but I'd rather that they didn't make lib borg bridge officers and a lib borg player race that you could buy.
Well considering the fact that I play a liberated Borg I see no reason why they can't make a faction based off of that concept. It can have a Romulan style "choose your faction" concept.
Two ways I see ships
1. You get a ship from the faction you chose to align with and get a unique Borg adapted ship skin. (Very easy for balance and less work)
2. New unique Borg ships, except maybe Diamond (vet ship), Probe and Sphere.
I for one, and have said it multiple time. Don't see why there is so much ill will towards having a Borg faction? Just scale back the outgoing damage the borg ships would do and limit access to zones-maps you can access.... and the whole "cannot be done" because your connected to the hive mind? Nothing that a little creative writing wouldn't solve. Besides, no different that taking orders from some Admiral on Earth Space Dock. Aren't you taking orders from some life form in STO, i.e., do this, do that, fetch this, fetch that, etc, etc, etc.
I always find it interesting just before something is released in STO, how so much resentment and hatred towards the idea becomes. For example.... new ships, usually within 3-5 days everyone has paid money to fly the ship they said they hated?
borg are the bad guys....to 'all' other species and civilizations ( let me repeat that: "ALL" )... good or bad doesnt matter.
they should remain the ultimate nemesis, unreachable and destruction of them is the only answer.
you wouldnt be able to play 'any' of the current STO missions....you would be considered an enemy 'everywhere'.
aint gonna happen unless they rewrite every single mission....or create a whole new totally separated mission arc that has absolutely nothing to do with anything that already exists in STO.
it would be a new and separate game.
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I for one, and have said it multiple time. Don't see why there is so much ill will towards having a Borg faction? Just scale back the outgoing damage the borg ships would do and limit access to zones-maps you can access.... and the whole "cannot be done" because your connected to the hive mind? Nothing that a little creative writing wouldn't solve. Besides, no different that taking orders from some Admiral on Earth Space Dock. Aren't you taking orders from some life form in STO, i.e., do this, do that, fetch this, fetch that, etc, etc, etc.
I always find it interesting just before something is released in STO, how so much resentment and hatred towards the idea becomes. For example.... new ships, usually within 3-5 days everyone has paid money to fly the ship they said they hated?
Umm no difference than taking orders from a Admiral? A Admiral doesn't control your everything...that's a big huge difference!
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Pretty much everywhere I look I see Borg modified ships, Liberated Borg, or Borg BOffs. Borg are already so very much part of us, so the idea of seeing Borg around would not break anymore immersion for me. As for LTSers, these are for Fed, KDF and Rom, a new Borg faction would not get to wear other faction uniforms and would be stuck with Borg only gear. Perhaps LTS Liberated Borg for the Borg faction would get something other Borg players would not (like unique trait and head options).
Borg Collective? No. At least I really doubt it. But considering how often the Borg are asked for and how much of a push LoR gave not only to still a lot of unfixed new bugs but also in money/player influx I'm pretty sure the Borg Fraction question ist not a "Would they" but rather a "When will they". Best guess: Cardassian Faction then Borg. Or the other way around.
What will it be? Most sane setup would be a Borg Cooperative mixes up with Borg Renegades and jump into the Alpha/Beta fray with the altruistic wish to help Fed/KDF against Evil Collective/Iconians/Other.
A glimpse on Borg gameplay :
Player is a new drone. His duty is to use the console #213 on a tac cube.
Starfleet commandos enter the ship, but doesn't seems aggressive. Player can't shoot them, and keep using the console.
Time to regenerate, the player go to his/her alcove. If he/she is lucky, he may escape to a virtual world for the night.
If a Borg playable faction exists, then it will be based off of the Borg Cooperative, Hugh's group, Unimatrix Zero, or some other Liberated Borg faction not the Borg Collective. If the Romulans were made into a mini-faction, then all other future factions will be made into the same type. So future mini-factions will have to ally with the Federation or Klingon Empire.
Anyone that has confusion about how the Borg can't be playable because of the Hive Mind, Seven of Nine was given some freewill while still being part of the Collective.
Anyone that has confusion about how the Borg can't be playable because of the Hive Mind, Seven of Nine was given some freewill while still being part of the Collective.
She was an experiment. A way to find a weakness to crush the federation. And the experimentation failed.
However, I never saw her command ships, and ground team. She went from a borg drone to a liberated borg.
A single drone commanding a starship, or a ground team, using a chain of command is inefficient. Using costume customization is inefficient.
She was an experiment. A way to find a weakness to crush the federation. And the experimentation failed.
However, I never saw her command ships, and ground team. She went from a borg drone to a liberated borg.
A single drone commanding a starship, or a ground team, using a chain of command is inefficient. Using costume customization is inefficient.
This and she was basically a avatar for the Borg, a single person to speak to and communicate with the Borg, to make them not feel so faceless....to feel more...human.
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How you feel about a Liberated Borg Faction that was populated only by Liberated Borg of different species? You know instead of "actual" borg which would be hard to deal with. A Lib. Borg faction would be much easier to do I think.
How you feel about a Liberated Borg Faction that was populated only by Liberated Borg of different species? You know instead of "actual" borg which would be hard to deal with. A Lib. Borg faction would be much easier to do I think.
This is actually an even worse idea than a proper Borg faction.
How you feel about a Liberated Borg Faction that was populated only by Liberated Borg of different species? You know instead of "actual" borg which would be hard to deal with. A Lib. Borg faction would be much easier to do I think.
Cryptic has already stated that the only way they would ever do a Borg Faction would be as a Liberated Borg Faction - most likely from the group which Hugh was leading. I don't think the base species really matters.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
So what. There's also that TNG episode where the girl discovered she was a "Q" and had to choose if she wanted to join or not.
So they should make a playable "Q" faction.
If we already had playable Liberated Q, with Q BOffs and Q tech plastered all over our ships then I would consider having that debate with you. This is kind of an apples to oranges example but I get what you mean. There obviously has to be limits.
She was an experiment. A way to find a weakness to crush the federation. And the experimentation failed.
However, I never saw her command ships, and ground team. She went from a borg drone to a liberated borg.
A single drone commanding a starship, or a ground team, using a chain of command is inefficient. Using costume customization is inefficient.
I agree, but to be honest my link was purely an example of how they could be part of the Hive mind while still having some freedom.
Let me be clear on what I'm hoping for. I don't want the Borg Collective to be a playable faction, I want them to be what they already are. What I would like is a liberated faction with the Romulan style faction choice.
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This is a debate (along with other things) that have been discussed way way way in the past. The Borg will not become a playable faction.
/Kicks it again, just to be sure.
This, so much this. The Borg has already been neutered enough in the game. A Borg faction would only make it worse. They should be the ultimate foe, one where you TRIBBLE your pants when a Borg Cube appears in the sector. I understand the business reason behind it, but I'd rather that they didn't make lib borg bridge officers and a lib borg player race that you could buy.
Two ways I see ships
1. You get a ship from the faction you chose to align with and get a unique Borg adapted ship skin. (Very easy for balance and less work)
2. New unique Borg ships, except maybe Diamond (vet ship), Probe and Sphere.
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I dont see this as a good idea, nor would I want to be part of a hive/drone society...I'd rather just fight to survive their assimilation attacks.
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You either want to mess with every LTS (not me btw), or you want to design a character to use as a screensaver.
Interesting....
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Should it have been done from the start yes.
Should maco/omega armor look borgified yes.
But because of LTS and that one borg eye piece it all falls. If you did it now you'd invalidate all LTS'ers so no it can't happen.
Also you have to ask yourself if you'd really want a "romulan" LoR style borg faction with borg out farming fields.
I always find it interesting just before something is released in STO, how so much resentment and hatred towards the idea becomes. For example.... new ships, usually within 3-5 days everyone has paid money to fly the ship they said they hated?
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they should remain the ultimate nemesis, unreachable and destruction of them is the only answer.
you wouldnt be able to play 'any' of the current STO missions....you would be considered an enemy 'everywhere'.
aint gonna happen unless they rewrite every single mission....or create a whole new totally separated mission arc that has absolutely nothing to do with anything that already exists in STO.
it would be a new and separate game.
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How are they more boring than being a Drone? You think there are gonna be hundreds of *queens* and you're gonna be one of them? :rolleyes:
Umm no difference than taking orders from a Admiral? A Admiral doesn't control your everything...that's a big huge difference!
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What will it be? Most sane setup would be a Borg Cooperative mixes up with Borg Renegades and jump into the Alpha/Beta fray with the altruistic wish to help Fed/KDF against Evil Collective/Iconians/Other.
Player is a new drone. His duty is to use the console #213 on a tac cube.
Starfleet commandos enter the ship, but doesn't seems aggressive. Player can't shoot them, and keep using the console.
Time to regenerate, the player go to his/her alcove. If he/she is lucky, he may escape to a virtual world for the night.
Rinse and repeat.
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The story would be so easy to make!
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But playing as a Q Ramen is so much more fun.
HAHA! That made my day!
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However, I never saw her command ships, and ground team. She went from a borg drone to a liberated borg.
A single drone commanding a starship, or a ground team, using a chain of command is inefficient. Using costume customization is inefficient.
This and she was basically a avatar for the Borg, a single person to speak to and communicate with the Borg, to make them not feel so faceless....to feel more...human.
How you feel about a Liberated Borg Faction that was populated only by Liberated Borg of different species? You know instead of "actual" borg which would be hard to deal with. A Lib. Borg faction would be much easier to do I think.
Well she pulled that off well!
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This is actually an even worse idea than a proper Borg faction.
Nope.
If we already had playable Liberated Q, with Q BOffs and Q tech plastered all over our ships then I would consider having that debate with you. This is kind of an apples to oranges example but I get what you mean. There obviously has to be limits.
I agree, but to be honest my link was purely an example of how they could be part of the Hive mind while still having some freedom.
Let me be clear on what I'm hoping for. I don't want the Borg Collective to be a playable faction, I want them to be what they already are. What I would like is a liberated faction with the Romulan style faction choice.
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